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MrPrena
04-24-2013, 13:06
Just saw this on CNBC.
GE has been one of the company I respected until this....
I will buy as much firearm as I can , when price become stable.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324743704578442561634381232.html


BUSINESS Updated April 24, 2013, 2:44 p.m. ETGE Capital Cuts Off Lending to Gun Shops


By JOE PALAZZOLO And KATE LINEBAUGH


General Electric Co. is quietly cutting off lending to gun shops, as the company rethinks its relationship to firearms amid the fallout from the school shooting in Newtown, Conn.


This month, Glenn Duncan, owner of Duncan's Outdoor Store in Bay City, Mich., said he received a letter from GE Capital Retail Bank in which the lender said it had made "the difficult decision" to stop providing financing services to his store. Other gun dealers have received similar notices.


GE is at least the second big financial firm to retreat from the gun business following the school shootings, which claimed the lives of 20 first-graders and six adults in December.


Days after the killings, private-equity firm Cerberus Capital Management LP said it would try to sell the gun company it owns—Freedom Group Inc.— which makes brands including Remington, Bushmaster, Marlin and H&R.


The moves highlight how companies, closely attuned to the concerns of investors and employees, have reacted to public horror caused by the attacks, even as complicated political considerations doomed new gun-control legislation in the Congress.


GE is based in Fairfield, Conn., and many of the GE's employees live around Newtown, and several have children in the Sandy Hook elementary school, where the shootings took place. Peter Lanza, the father of Sandy Hook gunman Adam Lanza, is an executive at GE Capital. GE Chief Executive Jeff Immelt held a town hall meeting with affected employees after the shooting, and the board has been updated on efforts to help staff, a person familiar with the matter said.


"Industry changes, new legislation and tragic events" led GE Capital to reexamine its policies on financing firearms, spokesman Russell Wilkerson said.


The company's exit has little overall impact in a U.S. gun market, where sales last year totaled $11.7 billion, according to IBIS World. While a typical handgun can cost more than $300, financing remains a marginal activity.


GE's ban applies only to retailers whose sole business is selling firearms, an "insignificant and immaterial" part of GE Capital's business, Mr. Wilkerson said. The lender is still doing business with merchants with more diverse lines of business, including Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the nation's largest seller of guns and ammunition, and Dick's Sporting Goods Inc., he said.


But GE's withdrawal has symbolic significance, as well as real consequences for the companies that used the service. Gun sellers said financing leads customers to spend more on firearms and accessories.


GE has grown to be a bigger lender than all but four of the country's commercial banks in large part by catering to specialized niches and hundreds of thousands of smaller customers like fast-food franchises and retailers that weren't a priority for bigger rivals.


The company's involvement in gun finance dates back to 2006. Rex McClanahan, co-owner of Buds Gun Shop in Lexington, Ky., remembered first meeting GE representatives at an outdoor trade show called Nations Best Sports in Fort Worth, Texas, in 2007.


"GE showed up there wanting to sell their service. We signed up, and it took off right away," he said, adding that thousands of customers took advantage of the financing in the first year.


In 2008, GE shifted gears and stopped taking on new customers whose primary business is firearm sales. The financing for Mr. McClanahan's store along with other existing customers was grandfathered in. But this February, he was informed that GE was terminating the financing program. Mr. McClanahan said he is talking with other lenders to re-establish a credit program.


"Your options are very limited by being in our business," he said.


A spokeswoman for Wells Fargo & Co. said bank officials decided to exit gun financing nearly a decade ago. Bank of America Corp., which got out of the business in 2008, didn't respond to requests for comment. A spokeswoman for Citigroup Inc. said the bank doesn't finance loans for firearms.


Smaller lenders have helped fill the gap. Last July, Randy Frazier opened a new division of his direct-marketing business called Gun Financing, promising on its website to arrange loans for "hottest firearms." Mr. Frazier said his audience is young men with spotty credit seeking high-end rifles and equipment for sport shooting.


Law Enforcement Finance, a company that launched about two weeks before the Sandy Hook massacre, offers police officers low-interest financing for rifles and body armor.


Daniel Johnson, a patrolman in the Bourbonnais Police Department in northern Illinois, said he got a loan to purchase a $2,250 Daniel Defense M4 Carbine, a sleek looking black rifle with plenty of "bells and whistles," after he was selected for the county SWAT team.


"It's kind of like, do you want to play basketball with Michael Jordan, or do you want to play with a local high school kid?" he said, explaining why he didn't use the standard-issue AR15 supplied by the force. Married with two kids and a mortgage, he found the three-year financing deal a "great help."


On a recent morning, half a dozen customers were browsing ammunition, sights and personal protection firearms over the thumping of gunfire from the attached shooting range at Duncan's Outdoors Store in Bay City. A flier from GE Capital was displayed above a case of handguns, saying in red marker: "6 mo same as cash."


Mr. Duncan, the owner, said the financing made it easier for buyers to spend more. Now that he's been cut off by GE, he may offer a layaway plan. "So we are the finance company, not GE Capital," he said.


Write to Joe Palazzolo at joseph.palazzolo@wsj.com and Kate Linebaugh at kate.linebaugh@wsj.com

asmo
04-24-2013, 13:09
Who finances a gun? WTF?

KestrelBike
04-24-2013, 13:13
GE doesn't even pay taxes.

Dave
04-24-2013, 13:15
Who finances a gun? WTF?
Anyone who uses a credit card and doesn't pay the balance by the next billing cycle.

I've done a couple of layaways at Bud's, never used the GE financing though.

Madeinhb
04-24-2013, 13:27
Companies are in it to make money. Too many corps are pansies and fold to what some uniformed Internet tough guys say in an email.

Bailey Guns
04-24-2013, 13:28
Oh, hell. I thought the headline meant they were cutting off lending (as in capital) to gun stores...for operating, inventory, etc...

Zundfolge
04-24-2013, 13:31
GE has been one of the company I respected until this....

GE has been in bed with the institutional left for decades ... they're crooked as hell and intend on being the G. M. Krzhizhanovsky Power Institute of the new Marxist dictatorship they've been helping to bring about here in the US.

Not sure why you'd have any respect for that.

BigDee
04-24-2013, 13:33
GE is the lender for Buds Guns. I have a line of credit with them but never used it. Looks like its never going to be used.

I have several department store cards that are also GE backed. We use them because the stores will often offer discounts to people who put it on their store card. I'll be spending the evening canceling all of our GE cards.

Aloha_Shooter
04-24-2013, 15:12
I haven't had any respect for GE since Jack Welch left the company. Jeff Immelt is an Obamoron and there's strong suspicion they have been skewing NBC's entertainment as well as news outlets to promote left-wing causes.

mtnhack
04-24-2013, 15:25
Oh, hell. I thought the headline meant they were cutting off lending (as in capital) to gun stores...for operating, inventory, etc...If I read that correctly, That IS what they are saying. Firearm exclusive companies are now cut off. But their principles aren't very strong because they aren't willing to turn back the big bucks from companies like Walmart and Dicks. F'en pussies.

wctriumph
04-24-2013, 16:29
Really, you can finance a gun? I never even dreamed you could do this. Get a 6 month same as cash deal and pay off that NFA item by the time the batfe approval comes through. That's great!

UncleDave
04-24-2013, 16:44
GE makes the freakin mini-gun for god's sake! Talk about hypocracy!

MrPrena
04-24-2013, 21:10
It is funny how people ASSUME I respect the management of GE.

colorider
04-24-2013, 21:57
I used GE for my customer financing. 12 mo no interest bla bla bla. Just canceled my relationship with them today. If enough people dump them for their financing, they will certainly feel the impact. Lets just say that their rates and charges are not cheap. Nobody's are. For example, to use the GE financing system you have to pay around $50 a month to have the program. The rate a retailer gets charged to run a 12 mo financing deal for a customer is around 7%. That adds up. Big time.

OtterbatHellcat
04-24-2013, 22:09
I'm gonna say.... fuck 'em.


Just, fuck off.

losttrail
04-25-2013, 07:30
GE is the nations 12th largest defense contractor, $4.3BILLION dollars per year in arms sales. War is a large part of GE's business.

Immelt is a leftist ass. My wife worked for GE for about 9 years and met Immelt a couple of times. She was less than impressed.

The lesson of the 20th century is that government should NOT have guns.

Drucker
04-25-2013, 07:48
Well, the talking shills on the Channel 4 morning news trumpted this as an example that Buisness is with them in the fight against guns.

Dingo
04-25-2013, 08:14
Please.
These defense contractors make more money than they can spend in a manufactured/engineered war-time crisis. Not selling to the citizenry doesn't hurt them at all - this is just free PR to enhance their already stellar standing with mother gov't.

CO Hugh
04-25-2013, 09:34
GE makes the freakin mini-gun for god's sake! Talk about hypocracy!

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