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Saw a teaser for a Monday Fox31 news report. We bought this gun and this gun without a background check, AR-15's, UZI's and this,,,
WTF
GilpinGuy
04-26-2013, 08:22
This must be related to the Armslist scam they were running.
Been a few posts here, Armslist and RMGO about how Fox 31 reporters were using false names to buy off of Armslist and net postings. I never saw anything posted if they said what their motives were, but I imagine it's to show why universal BGC's are "needed."
So does anyone know if they broke the law and we should report their asses?
Cylinder Head
04-26-2013, 09:17
So does anyone know if they broke the law and we should report their asses?
Straw purchases, using a false identity....
So does anyone know if they broke the law and we should report their asses?
Nobody will give a damn if Fox misrepresented themselves and broke the law. It will be a win for the anti's. Now the poor guy who sold the gun will be in for a shit storm if they show his/her face.
Mass Emailing FOX, myself and family and friends we are going to tip police on the illegal purchase of firearms like good citizens.
KestrelBike
04-26-2013, 09:27
Nobody will give a damn if Fox misrepresented themselves and broke the law. It will be a win for the anti's. Now the poor guy who sold the gun will be in for a shit storm if they show his/her face.
Yup. This is f'ing bull$***
Cylinder Head
04-26-2013, 09:32
Nobody will give a damn if Fox misrepresented themselves and broke the law. It will be a win for the anti's. Now the poor guy who sold the gun will be in for a shit storm if they show his/her face.
Unfortunately this.
Saw a teaser for a Monday Fox31 news report. We bought this gun and this gun without a background check, AR-15's, UZI's and this,,,
WTF
If they want to spend $1,500 on a beat-to-hell FrankenAR with a polymer lower, and spend $3K on a Norinco semi-UZI knockoff, they have a lot of money to burn on this "special report" . . . I'd wager Bloomberg is funding them and writing their script to read on the air. This isn't "news", it's political propaganda.
sellersm
04-26-2013, 10:19
The MSM exists to 'manufacture consent' and manipulate...
BushMasterBoy
04-26-2013, 12:02
Freedom of the press means you can break the law in the public interest...
Nobody will give a damn if Fox misrepresented themselves and broke the law. It will be a win for the anti's. Now the poor guy who sold the gun will be in for a shit storm if they show his/her face.
They won't if nobody makes a fuss. How do we make a fuss?
Been posting on their website as well as their FB page, ain't got a Twitter shit page and they seem to always advertise "text me on twitter"
So there ya go.
rockhound
04-26-2013, 18:16
they will spin this, but at least for now the FTF sales are legal so what?
we committed a perfectly legal gun purchase other than we lied , the seller broke no laws cause we misrepresented ourselves is not his fault.
Prometheus
04-28-2013, 21:25
So Fox 31 News at nine on Monday night is running a segment where they bought guns privately and videotaped it. Tune in to see COAR 15 members probably.
GilpinGuy
04-28-2013, 21:33
Huh, not sure what the privacy laws are in CO. If I was on that tape at all I'd shit a brick and make a giant stink about it.
Prometheus
04-28-2013, 21:35
yeah from the promo I saw they did at least 10 gun purchases we will see tomorrow I guess.
SideShow Bob
04-28-2013, 21:37
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/100963-What-BS-is-Fox-31-hypinghttp://www.ar-15.co/threads/99455-Beware-of-who-you-are-selling-to?highlight=armslist
Prometheus
04-28-2013, 21:42
yeah I thought the post was on here somewhere but I couldn't find it with the mobile device. all they have showed so far is they bought a nine millimeter "uzi" an M&P 15 out of a black Dodge pickup. it looks like they were buying out of a grey Dodge pickup. They purchased a Mac 11 at a subway, and something out of the red Toyota pickup with shell, anyone sound familiar?
If the sale was conducted in a public place, it can be videotaped.
GilpinGuy
04-28-2013, 22:22
If the sale was conducted in a public place, it can be videotaped.
Yeah, I suppose so. But I'd be pissed dammit! [LOL]
Yeah, I suppose so. But I'd be pissed dammit! [LOL]
Oh, yeah. All the more reason to be especially careful in selling anything...
Who cares nobody watches local TV any more. Fuck em
patrick0685
04-28-2013, 22:36
ill be interested to watch this tread tommorrow night
GilpinGuy
04-28-2013, 22:39
OK, you legal eagle types. Should we all start saying something like "Are you or are you aware of anyone videotaping this transaction in any way?" before even starting a transfer?
What happens if they say "NO" but they really are?
They will probably blur the faces, which would avoid "invasion of privacy" lawsuits . . . that's how most "investigative journalists" tend to do it in the final cut.
GilpinGuy
04-28-2013, 22:50
They will probably blur the faces, which would avoid "invasion of privacy" lawsuits . . . that's how most "investigative journalists" tend to do it in the final cut.
Even if they say "No, I'm not taping this"? Seems like there is or should be a law saying that you have the right to know if you're being taped if you ask. Maybe not though.
wctriumph
04-28-2013, 23:04
Well, its pretty easy to do a private sale or trade correctly. I always insist on talking to whom ever I am dealing with on the phone prior to meeting them to get a feel for them, always shake their hand and look them in the eye when meeting and ask them again for their name, ask for a peek at their valid CO DL and/or CCW, take my time with the deal and if I get any funny feelings I don't do the deal. I have stopped deals when I did not feel comfortable for what ever reason. I also will bring my wife along sometimes. I have sold, bought and traded a few items and I will tell you that everyone that I dealt with from this forum has been above board and a pleasure to meet and talk with.
Sad if these are the "Good ol' Days"! Really not looking forward to the 1st!
GilpinGuy
04-28-2013, 23:26
Well, its pretty easy to do a private sale or trade correctly. I always insist on talking to whom ever I am dealing with on the phone prior to meeting them to get a feel for them, always shake their hand and look them in the eye when meeting and ask them again for their name, ask for a peek at their valid CO DL and/or CCW, take my time with the deal and if I get any funny feelings I don't do the deal. I have stopped deals when I did not feel comfortable for what ever reason. I also will bring my wife along sometimes. I have sold, bought and traded a few items and I will tell you that everyone that I dealt with from this forum has been above board and a pleasure to meet and talk with.
Good points here. Out TP is private as well, so really there's a very small chance of getting F'ed in the A with no L by some libtard reporter.
theGinsue
04-28-2013, 23:55
Merged
clublights
04-29-2013, 08:40
They will probably blur the faces, which would avoid "invasion of privacy" lawsuits . . . that's how most "investigative journalists" tend to do it in the final cut.
Besides it makes the gun seller look more "evil" as in "He didn't even want to show his face!.. He's ashamed of what he is doing!"
all part of the ploy.
Fox 31 news has carried on an assault against the 2nd Amendment and it's sickening. They should investigate Planned Parenthood they kill more kids than anyone ever has with a gun!
Fox 31 news has carried on an assault against the 2nd Amendment and it's sickening. They should investigate Planned Parenthood they kill more kids than anyone ever has with a gun!Yeah, and then they should come after me too. I killed off about 15 milliion kids this morning.
blacklabel
04-29-2013, 10:23
Yeah, and then they should come after me too. I killed off about 15 milliion kids this morning.
I normally stay out of abortion debates but comparing dropping a load in your sock to the crap that goes on in a Planned Parenthood is ridiculous.
I normally stay out of abortion debates but comparing dropping a load in your sock to the crap that goes on in a Planned Parenthood is ridiculous.About as much as bringing abortion to a gun debate is.
Synopsis: We purchased perfectly legal firearms in a perfectly legal manner, but we're going to try to make it sound shady and sensational anyways. Film at 10!
[Bang]
Circuits
04-29-2013, 12:44
They can use voice modulators to make every seller sound sinister and evil, in addition to the face blurring!
dwalker460
04-29-2013, 12:59
If they used false names while purchasing that is fraud, even in a perfectly legal sale.
The way they are going to spin this is that they bought them off the internet, without a background check. I doubt seriously they will harp much on the FTF portion of the deal, as what the MSM is trying to accomplish is to alter public perception to believe that "internet sales", meanign all internet sales, are done without background checks thus the law is reasonable and warranted.
It will be interesting to see if they ever portray themselves as felons or unable to purchase weapons legally. I FIRMly believe they will avoid that because the instant I even THINK you cannot legally purchase a weapon the conversations stop, and I believe most folks selling firearms act the same way. No one I know will willingly commit a stupid crime such as selling to a felon, and I tend to think the folks I know are "normal" and represent normal folks and values.
crashdown
04-29-2013, 13:01
Pretty long preview on their website:
http://kdvr.com/2013/04/29/preview-guns-for-sale-in-places-you-would-not-expect/
Cylinder Head
04-29-2013, 13:02
http://kdvr.com/2013/04/29/poll-majority-wanted-background-checks-to-pass-senate/
Here's your storyline.
wctriumph
04-29-2013, 13:38
I sent them an email and tonight I will make that list of sponsors and contact them as well.
After viewing your preview of tonight's gun buying investigative report, I must tell you that I will no longer watch any of your news programs and will seek news from a alternate source. Fox 31 has pushed the limits of tolerance with your slanted reporting that in fact shows, from what i have seen in the preview, nothing illegal. It seems that your investigations are nothing more than political propaganda orchestrated, not to be truthful but, to be produced to put forth and encourage a anti-freedom agenda from your political masters. I have made a list of the advertisers on your station and I will not purchase those items for the foreseeable future. I will compose emails and contact your advertisers and voice my opinion of your politically driven agenda and let them know that I will not support them AS LONG AS THEY SUPPORT YOUR STATION.
Sincerely yours,
Wayne, Susan and Sheelagh Murphy
Fort Collins, CO 80524
CroiDhubh
04-29-2013, 15:18
If they used a false ID, it's still a crime. Depending on how they worded things and went about it, this is also fraud. It's illegal to pass a false ID to anyone for any reason and is also another crime for using the same ID for documentation purposes.
Also, the reason people do it in a parking lot is BECAUSE it's being recorded and there are people there!
Remember, social media is your friend. Be polite, cordial and non-threatening. Lay out the facts and shoot (no pun intended) holes in their story tomorrow. I'm sure they're going to leave out the names they used, intentions of the firearms and the part where the person confirmed they could legally own a gun. That part was probably done in the emails prior to the meeting. I'm very interested to watch this piece tonight.
If they used a false ID, it's still a crime. Depending on how they worded things and went about it, this is also fraud. It's illegal to pass a false ID to anyone for any reason and is also another crime for using the same ID for documentation purposes. Also, the reason people do it in a parking lot is BECAUSE it's being recorded and there are people there!So what is the punishment for this?
As far as I can tell, this use of a false name in a private firearms transaction has no correlation to a straw purchase and those laws or punishments because there is no 4473 or federal lying/misrepresentation.
Any eye-opening investigation! People can buy things from other people, and they like to meet in public places!
I'm guessing you could buy a whole SET of dangerously sharp knives at the store where this transaction took place, without anyone asking for ID or performing a background check. Those knives would be capable of killing DOZENS, without the need to reload!
I've been watching Fox 31 News org. making a head of steam to the left for a number of months. After the reveal of their shenanigans at Armslist, I've turned them off. I'll watch sports on Fox, but nothing else.
GilpinGuy
04-29-2013, 20:45
I sent them an email and tonight I will make that list of sponsors and contact them as well.
After viewing your preview of tonight's gun buying investigative report, I must tell you that I will no longer watch any of your news programs and will seek news from a alternate source. Fox 31 has pushed the limits of tolerance with your slanted reporting that in fact shows, from what i have seen in the preview, nothing illegal. It seems that your investigations are nothing more than political propaganda orchestrated, not to be truthful but, to be produced to put forth and encourage a anti-freedom agenda from your political masters. I have made a list of the advertisers on your station and I will not purchase those items for the foreseeable future. I will compose emails and contact your advertisers and voice my opinion of your politically driven agenda and let them know that I will not support them AS LONG AS THEY SUPPORT YOUR STATION.
Sincerely yours,
Wayne, Susan and Sheelagh Murphy
Fort Collins, CO 80524
I basically sent a shorter version of yours saying that I have a choice, and FOX 31 has been removed from my channels list.
Emailed them with an abbreviated version of the abode email. I'm sure they won't care.
Inspector Fowler
04-29-2013, 21:24
Emailed them with an abbreviated version of the abode email. I'm sure they won't care.
Journalism these days exists for one reason: To get eyes on webpages, TV shows, or papers, so that they can sell advertisements. Period.
You can't trust any news source that has to get revenue at all, really - which means virtually every single place you hear your news.
The best you can do is develop good filters and try to catch news from a whole bunch of sources and sift any "truth" out of it. That's a sad state of affairs, but there you have it.
Journalism these days exists for one reason: To get eyes on webpages, TV shows, or papers, so that they can sell advertisements. Period.
You can't trust any news source that has to get revenue at all, really - which means virtually every single place you hear your news.
The best you can do is develop good filters and try to catch news from a whole bunch of sources and sift any "truth" out of it. That's a sad state of affairs, but there you have it.
Agreed
clublights
04-29-2013, 21:39
Well just watched it ...
didn;t bother to say till the end .. that a law changing it has already passed...
oh and apparently " so called assault weapons are illegal in denver " ( exact quote) ...
CroiDhubh
04-29-2013, 21:42
Wow, I spent two hours with them for about fifteen seconds of screen time! *LOL* Wonder if they'll run the rest of the interview tomorrow.
So what is the punishment for this?
As far as I can tell, this use of a false name in a private firearms transaction has no correlation to a straw purchase and those laws or punishments because there is no 4473 or federal lying/misrepresentation.
Uh, actually there is. Filling out a federal form with false information is a federal felony. Filling out a form using false information is against the CRS and listed under Fraud. Passing a false ID is also a crime in the CRS. Handing a false ID to an officer is a felony, the others are a misdemeanor.
Don't think about this as a "straw purchase". You've zoned in on that and can't see the bigger picture.
Any eye-opening investigation! People can buy things from other people, and they like to meet in public places!
Yeah...in a place where people can see you, to be safer, and be recorded! MY GOD!!!!!! [facepalm]
No one called the cops because people aren't quite the terrified lemmings they try to present everyone as.
Well just watched it ...
didn;t bother to say till the end .. that a law changing it has already passed...
oh and apparently " so called assault weapons are illegal in denver " ( exact quote) ...
They are. You cannot have an "assault weapon" in the city and/or county of Denver. Just like you cannot open carry on or about your person in public nor in a vehicle, nor can you conceal carry in the car while in the city and/or county of Denver.
Just saw it... Now I want to put some kind of disclosure in any ad I post...
Or better yet, I'll ask everyone that I sell to (for the next month) if they are part of the media...
Would it be unlawful for people to deny it if they are?
rockhound
04-29-2013, 21:44
They did mention that the sales were legal, feined astonishment that none seemed to care about the gun sales in the parking lot
Definitely meant to shock the public, the onlu thing i saw illegal was the purchase with three people, makes it agun show does it not? Making it illegal for them to.purchase without a bgc
Fox reporters broke the law?
did you miss the other multiple threads about them going out trying to buy firearms?
Yes. Yes I did.
The heck!?!
buffalobo
04-29-2013, 21:46
The usual slant to a normal legal activity. The agenda more than obvious. Low information viewers will eat it up.
[Bang]
There are 3-4 local news that competes with KDVR. I will just watch those other 3-4.
clublights
04-29-2013, 21:47
They are. You cannot have an "assault weapon" in the city and/or county of Denver. Just like you cannot open carry on or about your person in public nor in a vehicle, nor can you conceal carry in the car while in the city and/or county of Denver.
Not EXACTLY true................
It's only an "assault weapon" if you insert a mag with 21+ rounds of capacity .
CroiDhubh
04-29-2013, 21:49
Called up my mother, laughing my ass off, and told her to pack her bags, her baby is moving to Hollywood!
Not EXACTLY true................
It's only an "assault weapon" if you insert a mag with 21+ rounds of capacity .
And knowledge is power. Thank you for the learning.
Snowman78
04-29-2013, 21:51
Who were you in the price?
ChunkyMonkey
04-29-2013, 21:53
Investigative report on legal activity... Hahaha... Josh is a damn loser. I hope he reads this!
They are. You cannot have an "assault weapon" in the city and/or county of Denver. Just like you cannot open carry on or about your person in public nor in a vehicle, nor can you conceal carry in the car while in the city and/or county of Denver.
In red is NOT true.
CroiDhubh
04-29-2013, 21:54
The guy at the gun store, saying we did between 15 and 20 a day. We did an interview for like...30min and I ran the guy through the form. It was not Josh, it was Chris Koerbrel who used to be with Fox28 in another state.
I didn't know they were adding it in tonight with that story, but I also think there will be more about it tomorrow night with the "people who want to change the laws", because most of the questions in the interview were about that. Even questioned one of our customers. Chris was not pushy and asked equal types of questions, so I didn't feel HE was trying to push an agenda at least.
It'll be interesting, though. However, wish they had been there today...I have my tan back from being out fishing [LOL]
In red is NOT true.
Oh, really? Check their municipal codes. The only exception to the vehicle and on your person is if you have a CCW. Guess I should have qualified my statement better.
In red is NOT true.
Yeah, aren't there laws protecting 'safe passage'?
clublights
04-29-2013, 21:57
In red is NOT true.
yes I also forgot to expand onto that ...
CroiDhubh
04-29-2013, 21:57
Besides having a CCW to allow it, that's the only other exception.
I've been pulled over enough in Denver to know that is not true.
Robert217
04-29-2013, 21:58
They are. You cannot have an "assault weapon" in the city and/or county of Denver. Just like you cannot open carry on or about your person in public nor in a vehicle, nor can you conceal carry in the car while in the city and/or county of Denver.
Didnt you say you owned a gun store? Just joined a couple days ago? Do you work for or are you affiliated with Fox News?
http://kdvr.com/2013/04/29/we-bought-a-semi-automatic-uzi-in-the-parking-lot-of-babies-r-us/
clublights
04-29-2013, 21:59
Oh, really? Check their municipal codes. The only exception to the vehicle and on your person is if you have a CCW. Guess I should have qualified my statement better.
Trust me this subject has been beat to death on this forum...
use the search! LOL ...
rockhound
04-29-2013, 22:01
Already emailed them, they suck, they did make a few illegal purchases having 3 or more people present, prosecute them
http://kdvr.com/2013/04/29/we-bought-a-semi-automatic-uzi-in-the-parking-lot-of-babies-r-us/
Another poll showing 90% support universal BGC's....
I like how they talk about buying an Uzi and a Mac-11. So you bought a pistol, that shoots pistol rounds, but is just more heavy and less accurate than many other pistols? THE HORROR!
ChunkyMonkey
04-29-2013, 22:09
Denver municipal have specific rule that says that if you are operating an licensed emergency vehicle or escort vehicle, you are not automatically licensed to carry firearms. That's it! It's legal in ALL CO to have guns in your vehicle.
CroiDhubh
04-29-2013, 22:13
Trust me this subject has been beat to death on this forum...
use the search! LOL ...
Could have sworn they had that law and it is the only one in Colorado. The appeals court has even upheld the ruling. Every CCW class, pistol class, and CCW site all says you cannot do it without a CCW and you cannot, ever, open carry unless an officer.
Complete state preemption of firearms laws except that localities may prohibits the open carrying of firearms in a building or specific area within their jurisdiction. Update: The Colorado Appeals Court has ruled that Denver is NOT subject to state preemption regarding open carry.
NOTE: Almost all states allow local regulation of the discharge of firearms
So I guess you can!
Except this:
Sec. 38-117. - Dangerous or deadly weapons—Prohibitions.
(a) It shall be unlawful for any person, except a law enforcement officer in the performance of duty, to wear under their clothes, or concealed about their person any dangerous or deadly weapon, including, but not by way of limitation, any pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, air gun, gas operated gun, spring gun, sling shot, blackjack, nunchaku, brass knuckles or artificial knuckles of any substance whatsoever, or any switchblade knife, gravity knife, or any knife having a blade greater than three and one-half (3½) inches in length, or any explosive device, incendiary device or bomb, or other dangerous or deadly weapon.
(b) It shall be unlawful for any person, except a law enforcement officer in the performance of duty, to carry, use or wear any dangerous or deadly weapon, including, but not by way of limitation, any pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, air gun, gas operated gun, spring gun, sling shot, blackjack, nunchaku, brass knuckles or artificial knuckles of any substance whatsoever, or switchblade knife, gravity knife, or any knife having a blade greater than three and one-half (3½) inches in length, or any explosive device, incendiary device or bomb, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon.
They are. You cannot have an "assault weapon" in the city and/or county of Denver. Just like you cannot open carry on or about your person in public nor in a vehicle, nor can you conceal carry in the car while in the city and/or county of Denver.
Didnt you say you owned a gun store? Just joined a couple days ago? Do you work or are you affiliated with Fox News?
No, I work at one.
Guess it's just something they jam people up about.
I could see that. Someone on here once said that Aurora was so bad about that, that they had to release a pamphlet to all the officers to retrain them about the laws to get them to stop doing that to people.
ChunkyMonkey
04-29-2013, 22:37
http://kdvr.com/2013/04/29/preview-guns-for-sale-in-places-you-would-not-expect/
CLICK DISAGREE on the bottom of the story please.
Robert217
04-29-2013, 22:43
I can't believe that was FOX news. More liberal than NBC. So they purchased 3 firearms, where did the money come from? Who were the guns for? How is that not a straw purchase?
Just clicked DISAGREE on the article.
Seems like KDVR is becoming more retard than KMGH(ABC 7), KUSA (NBC 9), or even KCNC(CBS 4).
According to a recent study by the City of New York (http://www.nyc.gov/html/cjc/html/news/gun.shtml) unlicensed private sellers account for roughly 40 percent of sales nationwide.
Well, there's a credible source with no conflict of interest. [hahhah-no]
Did anyone else notice that at one point during the special when Josh was in the field shooting the M&P he didn't even have the back irons flipped up. [facepalm]
Robert217
04-29-2013, 22:52
Josh defiantly has not done hunter safety, oh he's a vegetarian. Did you see where he was pointing the gun at the camera with his finger on the trigger.
Wow, I spent two hours with them for about fifteen seconds of screen time! *LOL* Wonder if they'll run the rest of the interview tomorrow.
Uh, actually there is. Filling out a federal form with false information is a federal felony. Filling out a form using false information is against the CRS and listed under Fraud. Passing a false ID is also a crime in the CRS. Handing a false ID to an officer is a felony, the others are a misdemeanor.
Don't think about this as a "straw purchase". You've zoned in on that and can't see the bigger picture.
So what is the punishment for this?
As far as I can tell, this use of a false name in a private firearms transaction has no correlation to a straw purchase and those laws or punishments because there is no 4473 or federal lying/misrepresentation. So the private transaction of purchasing a firearm using a fake name is a misdemeanor? That is what I was asking as it is obviously not a federal issue because no FFL was involved. I only mentioned straw purchase because others here were saying these reporters should be arrested for that, when it clearly is not.
Tinelement
04-30-2013, 06:07
http://kdvr.com/2013/04/29/preview-guns-for-sale-in-places-you-would-not-expect/
CLICK DISAGREE on the bottom of the story please.
Clicked.
Comments are getting pretty good on the bottom of the page!
Clicked the 'Disagree'. What was the point? Um, people are doing something that is legal. There is already a law that will change that coming. This has been done since the US was created...and before. Guns shoot bullets. Some of them are 'high' powered.
So........
Snowman78
04-30-2013, 07:19
He also did not have any eye protection on.
Some of what is going on now is likely unintended consequences of passing the new restrictions. Folks want to get their money legally now without having to give up some of the money invested in their firearms later.
Bailey Guns
04-30-2013, 07:47
Do you think it should be legal to sell a high-powered rifle or gun to a total stranger in a public parking lot with no background check?
Why are you guys clicking DISAGREE?
The "high-powered" part is a little misleading...but maybe I wanna buy a .338WinMag. Seems like the answer should be "AGREE".
Moron should wear a full body condom. We don't need his type breeding.
speedysst
04-30-2013, 08:07
Why are you guys clicking DISAGREE?
The "high-powered" part is a little misleading...but maybe I wanna buy a .338WinMag. Seems like the answer should be "AGREE". I interpreted the question separate from my agree/disagree of the article as a whole.
Bailey Guns
04-30-2013, 08:17
Ah...I thought the question was a stand-alone question separate from the article.
sneakerd
04-30-2013, 08:26
I also posted on their facebook page.
CroiDhubh
04-30-2013, 08:53
So the private transaction of purchasing a firearm using a fake name is a misdemeanor? That is what I was asking as it is obviously not a federal issue because no FFL was involved. I only mentioned straw purchase because others here were saying these reporters should be arrested for that, when it clearly is not.
Yes, you are correct. It is a state misdemeanor.
sneakerd
04-30-2013, 09:02
According to their report, they did not use fake names- they used their real first names, Julie and Josh. There is no crime here. Only the set-up that is offending us.
rockhound
04-30-2013, 09:07
Did anyone else catch the part where they said information from the background checks were permanently stored?
Did anyone else catch the part where they said information from the background checks were permanently stored?
Yup. Permanently stored and attached to your name.
The comments on the article are awesome. I haven't seen one yet that supports their shenanigans.
I'm curious as to why they didn't mention that after July 1, if Josh "stored"(as mentioned in the story) those items in someone else's care for more than 72 hours, he'd have to go get a background check for them. Why not explain all the OTHER changes that are going to happen as of July 1.
SuperiorDG
04-30-2013, 10:03
I'm curious as to why they didn't mention that after July 1, if Josh "stored"(as mentioned in the story) those items in someone else's care for more than 72 hours, he'd have to go get a background check for them. Why not explain all the OTHER changes that are going to happen as of July 1.
I would think from the Fox news that after July 1st a Denver resident can't own an AR for more then 72 hours because they can't store it in Denver.
newracer
04-30-2013, 10:04
Here is the longer video
http://kdvr.com/2013/04/29/we-bought-a-semi-automatic-uzi-in-the-parking-lot-of-babies-r-us/
clublights
04-30-2013, 10:16
I would think that after July 1st a Denver resident can't own an AR for more then 72 hours because they can't store it in Denver.
YES YOU CAN !
you just can't have 30 round mags in the city and county of denver.
gah why do people continue to tell this lie .
Just like you cannot open carry on or about your person in public nor in a vehicle, nor can you conceal carry in the car while in the city and/or county of Denver.
You cannot open carry on your person in the City and County of Denver. You CAN carry in your vehicle, open or concealed, without a permit. The Meyers decision upheld the state supremacy on car carry, while allowing Denver to regulate magazines larger than 20 rounds.
(2) It shall not be an offense if the defendant was:
(a) A person in his or her own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under his or her control at the time of the act of carrying; or
(b) A person in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who carries a weapon for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling; or
(c) A person who, at the time of carrying a concealed weapon, held a valid written permit to carry a concealed weapon issued pursuant to section 18-12-105.1 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=c2bcc8766b6e8441619b619e3bd89d6e&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=2&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-12-105.1&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzB-zSkAA&_md5=b6b36c1c917262167ac97f4ee5c05288), as it existed prior to its repeal, or, if the weapon involved was a handgun, held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the provisions of section 18-12-214 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=c2bcc8766b6e8441619b619e3bd89d6e&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=3&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-12-214&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzB-zSkAA&_md5=6a08025dae9e3daba2f4f070df2bde85); or
(d) A peace officer, as described in section 16-2.5-101 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=c2bcc8766b6e8441619b619e3bd89d6e&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=4&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2016-2.5-101&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzB-zSkAA&_md5=a7d7f9291114fd3b48b5c1c2cf6f0cc1), C.R.S., when carrying a weapon in conformance with the policy of the employing agency as provided in section 16-2.5-101 (2) (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=c2bcc8766b6e8441619b619e3bd89d6e&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=5&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2016-2.5-101&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzB-zSkAA&_md5=7c6c4748f12b8750259209d79ae79131), C.R.S.; or
(e) (Deleted by amendment, L. 2003, p. 1624, § 46, effective August 6, 2003.)
(f) A United States probation officer or a United States pretrial services officer while on duty and serving in the state of Colorado under the authority of rules and regulations promulgated by the judicial conference of the United States.
(1) The general assembly finds that:
(a) There exists a widespread inconsistency among jurisdictions within the state with regard to the issuance of permits to carry concealed handguns and identification of areas of the state where it is lawful to carry concealed handguns;
(b) This inconsistency among jurisdictions creates public uncertainty regarding the areas of the state in which it is lawful to carry concealed handguns;
(c) Inconsistency results in the arbitrary and capricious denial of permits to carry concealed handguns based on the jurisdiction of residence rather than the qualifications for obtaining a permit;
(d) The criteria and procedures for the lawful carrying of concealed handguns historically has been regulated by state statute and should be consistent throughout the state to ensure the consistent implementation of state law; and
(e) It is necessary that the state occupy the field of regulation of the bearing of concealed handguns since the issuance of a concealed handgun permit is based on a person's constitutional right of self-protection and there is a prevailing state interest in ensuring that no citizen is arbitrarily denied a concealed handgun permit and in ensuring that the laws controlling the use of the permit are consistent throughout the state.
(2) Based on the findings specified in subsection (1) of this section, the general assembly hereby concludes that:
(a) The permitting and carrying of concealed handguns is a matter of statewide concern; and
(b) It is necessary to provide statewide uniform standards for issuing permits to carry concealed handguns for self-defense.
(3) In accordance with the findings and conclusions specified in subsections (1) and (2) of this section, the general assembly hereby instructs each sheriff to implement and administer the provisions of this part 2. The general assembly does not delegate to the sheriffs the authority to regulate or restrict the issuance of permits provided for in this part 2 beyond the provisions of this part 2. An action or rule that encumbers the permit process by placing burdens on the applicant beyond those sworn statements and specified documents detailed in this part 2 or that creates restrictions beyond those specified in this part 2 is in conflict with the intent of this part 2 and is prohibited.
(1) The general assembly hereby finds that:
(a) A person carrying a weapon in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance for hunting or for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property, as permitted insections 18-12-105 (2) (b) (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=076e425842ec484a4ce43695df8a4ef2&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105.6%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=2&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-12-105&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzB-zSkAA&_md5=8b8cdac672388ea1fdc49f400a3b1a91) and 18-12-105.5 (3) (c) (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=076e425842ec484a4ce43695df8a4ef2&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105.6%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=3&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-12-105.5&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzB-zSkAA&_md5=efceaffd58c4550f15833ec56abe5158), may tend to travel within a county, city and county, or municipal jurisdiction or in or through different county, city and county, and municipal jurisdictions, en route to the person's destination;
(b) Inconsistent laws exist in local jurisdictions with regard to the circumstances under which weapons may be carried in automobiles and other private means of conveyance;
(c) This inconsistency creates a confusing patchwork of laws that unfairly subjects a person who lawfully travels with a weapon to criminal penalties because he or she travels within a jurisdiction or into or through another jurisdiction;
(d) This inconsistency places citizens in the position of not knowing when they may be violating local laws while traveling within a jurisdiction or in, through, or between different jurisdictions, and therefore being unable to avoid committing a crime.
(2) (a) Based on the findings specified in subsection (1) of this section, the general assembly concludes that the carrying of weapons in private automobiles or other private means of conveyance for hunting or for lawful protection of a person's or another's person or property while traveling into, through, or within, a municipal, county, or city and county jurisdiction, regardless of the number of times the person stops in a jurisdiction, is a matter of statewide concern and is not an offense.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no municipality, county, or city and county shall have the authority to enact or enforce any ordinance or resolution that would restrict a person's ability to travel with a weapon in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance for hunting or for lawful protection of a person's or another's person or property while traveling into, through, or within, a municipal, county, or city and county jurisdiction, regardless of the number of times the person stops in a jurisdiction.
Upheld in the Meyers decision, I'll have to find the summary.
clublights
04-30-2013, 10:28
And yeah, there is a ton of misinformation in this thread. CCWs are just as valid in Denver as they are anywhere else in the state, and the vehicle exemption still applies here. The only real differences are that open carry is illegal and you can't have >20rd mags. (Kind of ironic that the upcoming state-level mag limit is going to actually be more strict than Denver's....)
Well at least we can still own them at the state level ............. we just can't buy sell trade or loan them . for now at least... ( well after july 1.. you know what I mean )
Bailey Guns
04-30-2013, 10:49
Yes, you are correct. It is a state misdemeanor.
Mind providing a statute for that assertion?
Bailey Guns
04-30-2013, 10:51
And yeah, there is a ton of misinformation in this thread...
Yeah...shocking, isn't it? [hahhah-no]
Hopefully my info is good and concise, as I try to only make statements supported by actual statute.
dwalker460
04-30-2013, 11:25
Missed the episode last night, but sounds like I would agree with what others are saying here.
Missed the episode last night, but sounds like I would agree with what others are saying here.
full report link
http://kdvr.com/2013/04/29/we-bought-a-semi-automatic-uzi-in-the-parking-lot-of-babies-r-us/
mikedubs
04-30-2013, 18:08
Jesus, those comments are internet gold! OTOH, shitslingers don't care what the backlash is, as long as it gets attention.
stevelkinevil
04-30-2013, 18:15
This reporter was on 630 with Micheal Brown on my way home from work and was just getting OWNED! constant backpedaling and studdering. The guy was no doubt sorry he agreed to be on the show.
I heard this jag off on Michael Brown show too- WTF?
And KDVR is a Fox affiliate..?
The Jag off was trying to say their point was to show that when buying firearms "open in public" like they did,
should have raised red flags and "someone should have called the police"...
REALLY...that was your motivation? Fox, 2, 4, 7 and chanel #9 are all sucking hickenfukcnLOOPER's teet...[pileoshit]
Good news is that dumb@ss leftist liberals rarely watch KDVR anyways.
they just joined the pack
Stevensje
04-30-2013, 20:36
And yeah, there is a ton of misinformation in this thread. CCWs are just as valid in Denver as they are anywhere else in the state, and the vehicle exemption still applies here. The only real differences are that open carry is illegal and you can't have >20rd mags. (Kind of ironic that the upcoming state-level mag limit is going to actually be more strict than Denver's....)
So can I still CCW a 19rd mag if I owned it prior to July 1st?
Bailey Guns
04-30-2013, 21:10
^^ Yes.
stevelkinevil
04-30-2013, 21:54
yes and no. The text of the law makes any "easily converted" AKA everything with a "removable base plate" illegal after July 1st. The law was so poorly written that any Judge with 1/2 a brain should overturn it. However these days were lucky to get judges from the ranks of the liberally indoctrinated attorneys with 1/8 of a brain.
You can still own it, still carry it, you just can't replace it or sell it(with or without the gun) to anyone else in the state of Colorado(except maybe LEOs) after June 30.
Great-Kazoo
05-01-2013, 00:00
I heard this jag off on Michael Brown show too- WTF?
And KDVR is a Fox affiliate..?
The Jag off was trying to say their point was to show that when buying firearms "open in public" like they did,
should have raised red flags and "someone should have called the police"...
REALLY...that was your motivation? Fox, 2, 4, 7 and chanel #9 are all sucking hickenfukcnLOOPER's teet...[pileoshit]
That's when brown asked him. "Why didn't you?" uh ummm uh uummmmmmmmmmm
As an American, I support the right of investigative journalists to exercise their 1st Amendment right reporting on any topic they wish . . . but I'm somewhat pissed off about how they misrepresented these sellers as doing something "wrong" by selling highly priced collectable firearms LEGALLY to an adult Colorado citizen in a public parking lot in front of dozens of security cameras. Criminals and crazies rarely buy top quality guns . . . they seldom have several thousand dollars on hand and would probably rather spend it on other things anyway. Thugs tend to buy cheap throwaway garbage guns . . . or they steal them. And none of the buyers or sellers I've dealt with would ever knowingly sell to anyone who looked like a gangbanger, dirtbag, or whackjob . . . usually when I've posted an ad on armslist, I'd get at least a dozen responses, and from the way they word their emails I can filter out the idiots fairly quick . . . and if the guy showed up, cash in hand, and I don't like the looks of him or something about his attitude seems off, I'm not selling him a gun because I wouldn't feel right about it and I'd rather wait a day or two to sell to someone who I felt more comfortable dealing with. I've probably met nearly a hundred different guys, buying, selling, and trading over the past 5 years, and with only a couple minor exceptions every single one of them was well spoken, successful, educated, responsible, and polite. I'm pissed off that these jerk-offs at FOX seemed to want to portray LEGITIMATE private party sales as some sort of shady black market transaction. That TWO THOUSAND DOLLAR gun you purchased that you thought was so evil and horrible? The UZI? You know who that gun is typically used by today? Gangsters don't like it because it is too heavy, and SPEC-OPs doesn't use it because the accuracy sucks . . . they're used by clerks and schoolteachers over in Israel, to keep close at hand in case they need it. Used to be a huge problem with the PLO ambushing school buses and shooting up shopping malls a while back, and the UZI, with it's low recoil, grip safety, and ease of operation was considered the perfect self defense weapon for non-combatants . . . but of course that was the select-fire version. But no, you jerk-offs want to portray it as the "baby killing gun," sold to you by some slackjawed yokel who could care less if you intended to serve up lead McNuggets at a local fast food franchise an hour later, and you knew that wasn't true. Did you pick the "Baby's R Us" location yourselves? I heard that after the cameras came out a few guys actually were cool enough to talk with you for a half hour or more, giving you a proper interview, yet you chose only to use a select few sound bites about "The 2nd Amendment" or how they disagreed with the new gun laws due to pass in July . . . so fuck you for being dishonest sleazebags . . . and I hope you enjoy the cash bonus Bloomberg's boys gave you for pulling this shit. This was pretty fucking despicable.
That's when brown asked him. "Why didn't you?" uh ummm uh uummmmmmmmmmm
I heard this jag off on Michael Brown show too- WTF?
And KDVR is a Fox affiliate..?
The Jag off was trying to say their point was to show that when buying firearms "open in public" like they did,
should have raised red flags and "someone should have called the police"...
REALLY...that was your motivation? Fox, 2, 4, 7 and chanel #9 are all sucking hickenfukcnLOOPER's teet...[pileoshit]
I was somewhat disappointed (screaming at the radio) that Brown didn't emphasize the reason these transactions are completed in public. For instance, having witnesses to any BS, cameras in parking lots, anonymity of your actual home and other possessions. I would sell anything the same way. That Josh AHole kept trying to trap him and the callers in the "well if you were worried about a possible criminal activity, then you were putting the public at risk too" crap. The very first caller did bring up a few of these points and another perfect one; drug deals in public places go bad, but have you ever heard of a firearm transaction like these going bad?
For an instant, I thought joshy was going to admit that this entire story was fear mongering for the ratings.
CroiDhubh
05-01-2013, 09:27
Seems they repealed the CO CRS about filling out a form with false information, so never mind.
Did the story they run last night feature more information about the laws and what not? I missed it. Was at my parents' place with the fiancee watching Deep South Paranormal *LOL*
You cannot open carry on your person in the City and County of Denver. You CAN carry in your vehicle, open or concealed, without a permit. The Meyers decision upheld the state supremacy on car carry, while allowing Denver to regulate magazines larger than 20 rounds.
Upheld in the Meyers decision, I'll have to find the summary.
I know about the open carry and even posted their municipal code on it. Seems like my post bringing up that the car was okay got deleted...or I'm just missing it.
funkymonkey1111
06-05-2013, 14:52
Update on reporter:
http://completecolorado.com/pagetwo/2013/05/28/investigative-reporter-no-longer-with-kdvr-fox-31/
Josh Bernstein is no longer an investigative reporter with KDVR FOX 31.
Bernstein’s brief tenure with the station included two investigative reports that brought heavy and pointed criticism from conservative and right-of-center circles.
In the first instance, a Bernstein report on potential abuse of funds by the Adams 12 school district brought heavy criticism from 850 KOA’s Mike Rosen, who said Bernstein’s report was one-sided and that the report “worked backwards.” We blogged (http://completecolorado.com/pagetwo/2013/02/08/adams-12-principals-back-superintendent-against-fox-31-reports/) on that issue back in February.
In the second instance, Bernstein went “undercover” to purchase a semi-automatic weapon in a “Baby’s R Us” parking lot. KHOW talk show host Michael Brown criticized the report (http://www.michaelbrowntoday.com/2013/04/denvers-kdvr-goes-undercover-to-buy-a-gun-from-a-private-owner/), saying:
Why do you need to do a month-long investigation to do something which is perfectly legal, which is buying a gun from a private owner? I can only draw one conclusion: they were hoping to find a criminal to sell them a gun; or, were doing multiple “straw man” purchases like Gabby Giffords’ husband, Mark Kelly, infamously did and which was rescinded (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/25/gun-store-rescinds-mark-kelly-rifle-purchase-questions-his-intent/) by the gun store.
Josh Bernstein is from NYC. I'm not shocked that he moves to the Rocky Mtns. and is "surprised" how the rest of us live. Having your government make your decisions for you makes you lazy and uninformed.
Just saw a teaser commercial for Fox 31 morning news. The morning anchors had changed. I queried the Interwebs and found this; http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/brooke-wagner-to-join-kdvr-as-part-of-new-morning-team_b86420
The changes were taking place during the same time that this "investigation" was going on. My guess is that their ratings were in the crapper and they were doing anything they could to try and improve their ratings. They lost me and I won't be going back.
As to why not watch Fox 31 since they're all the same, I can say no, they aren't. I've been pleasantly surprised that Channel 7's morning crew is very good about delivering the news without a bunch of leftist editorial BS.
Cylinder Head
06-17-2013, 07:14
Update on reporter:
http://completecolorado.com/pagetwo/2013/05/28/investigative-reporter-no-longer-with-kdvr-fox-31/
Great I needed a good laugh this morning.
Jeffrey Lebowski
06-17-2013, 07:48
Just saw a teaser commercial for Fox 31 morning news. The morning anchors had changed. I queried the Interwebs and found this; http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/brooke-wagner-to-join-kdvr-as-part-of-new-morning-team_b86420
The changes were taking place during the same time that this "investigation" was going on. My guess is that their ratings were in the crapper and they were doing anything they could to try and improve their ratings. They lost me and I won't be going back.
This was sort of my morning go-to in winter (summer = mlb network). This Brooke whatever is basically unwatchable - her voice is like that nanny tv show.
sneakerd
06-17-2013, 08:26
I was a regular Fox31 viewer until all of this. Now I'm back to Channel 2.
Aloha_Shooter
06-17-2013, 08:32
I was a regular Fox31 viewer until all of this. Now I'm back to Channel 2.
Don't tell us, tell them.
sneakerd
06-17-2013, 08:47
Been there did that- thank you for the advice.
ChunkyMonkey
06-17-2013, 09:31
Good Riddance!
sneakerd
06-17-2013, 09:33
Agreed- unfortunately can't find any type of contact point for Bernstein. I'd like to tell him what I think of him. No FB, nothing else I can find.
ChunkyMonkey
06-17-2013, 09:56
Plenty ways to contact him..
Josh Bernstein Tapped As Investigative Reporter For Al Jazeera America (http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/josh-bernstein-tapped-as-investigative-reporter-for-al-jazeera-america_b183074)http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/josh-bernstein-tapped-as-investigative-reporter-for-al-jazeera-america_b183074
https://twitter.com/jbreports
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/josh-bernstein/3/876/a3a
sneakerd
06-17-2013, 10:06
I mean directly. I don't twitter, not on LinkedIn, and mediabistro is not a contact point for him. Doubt he reads it.
battle_sight_zero
06-17-2013, 10:22
Plenty ways to contact him..
Josh Bernstein Tapped As Investigative Reporter For Al Jazeera America (http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/josh-bernstein-tapped-as-investigative-reporter-for-al-jazeera-america_b183074)http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/josh-bernstein-tapped-as-investigative-reporter-for-al-jazeera-america_b183074
https://twitter.com/jbreports
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/josh-bernstein/3/876/a3a
Good place for this SOB to land Al Jizzonme.
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