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So, I've wanted a bullpup for lots of years. Always thought the Steyr AUG was just plain sexy. Now that I have seen the IMI Tavor my desire for a bullpup has been rekindled.
Now for my dilemma.
Which one do I get?
Going over some pros and cons, here is what I have come up with.
Steyr AUG:
pros:
Always wanted one.
Proven reliability and been around over 30 years.
Always wanted one.
cons:
Proprietary mags (although I believe I can get a replacement stock that takes AR mags)
IMI Tavor:
pros:
newest bullpup on the U.S. market (gives it a "cool factor")
takes readily available AR style magazines
cons:
no real "track record" here in the states for reliability or durability
So, besides the above thoughts, I like the integrated forward grip on the AUG and the ease with which it can be disassembled for cleaning and maintenance. I would think I could probably add some sort of forward grip to the Tavor if I wanted. I have no idea how easy it field strips.
Also, am I correct to assume the Tavor is a semi-auto version of something the Israeli military uses? If so, does anyone know about that rifles history as far as reliability and longevity or how long the deign has been around?
TAVOR
Hands down, mainly for the use of AR mags and more modern enhancements.
It was extensively tested in the hands of soldiers in Israel in a harsh enviroment. AUG if you can find an authentic one will still be the same price as the TAVOR.
My concern for either is availability of spare parts?
Personally, I would go with TAVOR.
Currently in the market for TAVOR.
TAVOR
Bolts locks up after last round.
Easy access to Bolt release.
Mass distribution is mainly on the back side.
The AUG has to be the hands down winner for parts availability between the two. It was first made in the 1970's.
With a little patient shopping, I should be able to pick up either one brand new for about $2K. A Tavor or an AUG A3.
cfortune
04-30-2013, 14:49
Personally, I would go with TAVOR.
Currently in the market for TAVOR.
TAVOR
Bolts locks up after last round.
Easy access to Bolt release.
Mass distribution is mainly on the back side.
My MSAR (granted, not an AUG), locked back after the last round.
Pretty sure the AUG locks back. At least the A3 version.
I'd go for the Tavor for the ease of AR mag commonality. Very important for us since the Doom is coming in July, and AR mags are a lot easier to come by before that happens.
BushMasterBoy
04-30-2013, 16:27
http://www.keltecweapons.com/uploaded_files/ourguns/gallery/b_33c5cba5976e62bd471ae0e534396697RFB_left_6417hir es.jpgKeltec makes this one. I know its not on the list...
i shot a MSAR i was very very impressed with the ergonomics and over all shoot-ability of it untill it broke and shot a piston 100 yards out the front of the rifle rendering it very very unusable
http://www.keltecweapons.com/uploaded_files/ourguns/gallery/b_33c5cba5976e62bd471ae0e534396697RFB_left_6417hir es.jpgKeltec makes this one. I know its not on the list...
Thought about that one too. Not sure I want to dump that kind of money on something made by Kel-Tec.
i shot a MSAR i was very very impressed with the ergonomics and over all shoot-ability of it untill it broke and shot a piston 100 yards out the front of the rifle rendering it very very unusable
If I get an AUG it will be made by Steyr for sure.
Thanks for the heads up.
RYAN50BMG
04-30-2013, 17:34
Just got a Steyr AUG A3 for 2300$.
Just got a Steyr AUG A3 for 2300$.
Nice. I've seen several on Gunbroker. Once I sell off some more stuff I'll start looking more seriously.
crashdown
04-30-2013, 18:57
Owned a real Aug, was concerned with parts availability, owned a couple MSARs, was concerned about parts once they went out of biz, got rid of them all. Have you tried out an AR? Lots of parts, lots of mods, pretty easy to work on.
Have you tried out an AR? Lots of parts, lots of mods, pretty easy to work on.
Hmm. I might have tried out an AR or two. [Coffee]
I am just gonna write everything here at once.
Yeah, MSAR does lock back. IMHO good bulpup rifle.
I think PeteAthens and some other sites sells some of A1 to A3 parts
http://www.pjs-steyraug.com/augusrparts.html
I agree A3 just little more expensive than newest MSAR STG556.
BTW, where/what is the other Steyr clone company that came out near same time as MSAR?
ETA: Found it. It was TPD USA AXR
I'm going to do a little research on the Tavor here shortly.
Really leaning towards the Steyr but not sure I want to invest hundreds of dollars in mags when I have a couple of AR mags on hand that would work in the Tavor.
crashdown
04-30-2013, 19:42
Hmm. I might have tried out an AR or two. [Coffee]
Seriously though.... I like to have a few of anything that will be my "go to" type of gun. I like the idea of being able to take parts off other guns if I ever had to. Having a serious peice of firepower like any of the guns you are looking at that could be a SHTF gun, but won't because I know the chances of finding parts makes me lose interest in them pretty quick. In my opinion, once the novelty wears off, it becomes just that, a novelty. I learned my lesson after spending many many thousands in bullpups over the years that I never end up keeping them very long.... Hell, I still have a Steyr sticker on the back of my vehicle, just no bullpups in the safe.
edit.... But if you get one, can I shoot it?
I sold my FS2000 StandardFactoryOptics to fund SCAR16s.
It would've been hard to do a straight trade with SCAR16s during pre-panic time. However, I actually had $400 surplus by selling used FS2000Optic, and bought NIB SCAR 16s.
I just sold my 1911TRPOperator and TaserX26 to fund TAVOR, but price of TAVOR is not stabilizing yet.
BTW, my SHTF rifle will be one that is reliable and light weight.
Might give it a year and see what happens.
I think they might be hard to come by in Colorado real soon. Since they probably come with a standard capacity magazine or two I would guess most sellers will just refuse to ship them to Colorado like they refuse to ship them to California and Massachusetts. Looks like most sellers have stopped shipping to Connecticut too.
Professor Frink
04-30-2013, 20:51
I have been well pleased with My AUGa3. I'm a lefty and always wanted one. Accurate, low recoil, rather heavy. I was lucky and bought the rifle and mags basically a week before everything went to hell.
I'd like a Tavor too, but I'm going to wait and see on that one.
Well dang it. Did a little research on the Tavor an now it looks like my decision will be harder than I thought.
cfortune
05-01-2013, 07:57
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Aloha_Shooter
05-01-2013, 08:33
My Tavor just got in yesterday. Am waiting for another shipment before I do the 4473 but got to fondle it yesterday and I like it. I told the guys at the club I'm using as FFL that I'll be checking the chamber and barrel for signs of firing before I pick it up. ;-)
Tavor all the way- Want a track record? Ask the Israelis, they've been using them for a while now. I spoke with a girl I went to HS with and she's living in Tel Aviv now (she was born there and moved back after HS), her hubby is a IDF Major and I asked what his opinion of the weapon is, he says the Galil were some pretty big shoes to fill, and the Tavor is a perfect replacement. I want both anyway (Galil and Tavor)[Beer]
CroiDhubh
05-01-2013, 09:53
The only thing I don't like about the AUG3 is it cannot be shot left handed if you needed to. I've only seen a few Tavor come through, but I think you could shoot leftie if you needed to.
Personally, I like the way KelTec did it with the RFB.
Tavor all the way i think of the Tavor like the better more user friendly Aug. You have to remember the Aug is old it was developed during cold war era. I'm not hating the Aug it was well past anything at its time. With the Aug you can get a butt stock that will accept ar-15 mags but won't lock open on last shot. when your shooting off hand (left) with the Aug be prepared for a mouth full of hot brass. The tavor on the other hand fixes all those problems. Also the weight of the tavor is more in the back so it doesn't tire you as fast when your holding it. Also you can completely change the tavor for a lefty shooter just needs a lefty bolt. Its up you if it was me id choose tavor then I'd get an aug later on. Hope it helps a bit sorry for any typos and errors typed this on my phone. :D
Personally, I like the way KelTec did it with the RFB.
I like the design and the fact that it takes FAL mags but there is no way I am dumping that kind of money on a Kel-Tec. Plus, I'm not looking for that kind of horsepower in a bullpup.
Tavor. Every single day and twice on Sunday.
The AUG just looks big and bulky in comparison:
http://i45.tinypic.com/34fy2x4.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img38/9900/notgivinnofucks.gif
ROFL
Aloha_Shooter
05-01-2013, 13:08
From IWI's website (emphasis added):
TAVOR Assault Rifles
Due to the dynamic changes in the modern battlefield, the threats of global terrorism and the demands of ever-changing combat situations, there was a need for a new versatile, innovative and technologically advanced weapon.
The TAVOR assault rifle was especially created to answer these varied demands, thus distinguishing itself as the ultimate weapon of the 21st century.
The TAVOR was developed in close cooperation with the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). The Tavor is today in service in the IDF infantry troops as well as in the forces of other countries throughout the world. The rifle family has an excellent performance record in the battlefield with its attributes of high precision, reliability and human ergonomics being its leading characteristics.
Characteristics:
Bull pup configuration.
Optimized ergonomic design.
30 Rds. Magazine capacity.
Body built of high strength impact modified polymer.
Detachable barrel.
Integrated reflex sight directly attached on to the barrel.
Conversion from day optics to night optics is done without the need of re-zeroing.
100% Ambidextrous thus making the use by right or left handed shooters easy.
Has true “OTB” (over-the beach) capability and can be safely fired after being submerged in water and not completely dry.
Designed for Minimum operator and armorer level maintenance, thus reducing maintenance and life cycle costs.
Folding back-up sights that include tritium for night combat.
Very easy field striping into 2 parts.
100% interchangeability with parts of the Tavor family, thus reducing the overall costs of the system.
Equipped with a last round stopper.
All the metal parts of the weapon are corrosion resistant.
Recoil absorbent butt pad for rifle grenade firing.
Comparison tests have proven the Tavor to posses the following significant operational advantages:
• Increases hit probability under fatigue and pressure.
• Superior reliability under extreme conditions.
• Uninterrupted day-to-night switch without re-zeroing.
• Ergonomic design for increased comfort and ease of use.
• Short rifle convenience with long barrel accuracy.
• Right and left handed operability.
patrick0685
05-01-2013, 16:00
TAVOR Assault Rifles
Due to the dynamic changes in the modern battlefield, the threats of global terrorism and the demands of ever-changing combat situations, there was a need for a new versatile, innovative and technologically advanced weapon.
The TAVOR assault rifle was especially created to answer these varied demands, thus distinguishing itself as the ultimate weapon of the 21st century.
The TAVOR was developed in close cooperation with the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). The Tavor is today in service in the IDF infantry troops as well as in the forces of other countries throughout the world. The rifle family has an excellent performance record in the battlefield with its attributes of high precision, reliability and human ergonomics being its leading characteristics.
Characteristics:
Bull pup configuration.
Optimized ergonomic design.
30 Rds. Magazine capacity.
Body built of high strength impact modified polymer.
Detachable barrel.
Integrated reflex sight directly attached on to the barrel.
Conversion from day optics to night optics is done without the need of re-zeroing.
100% Ambidextrous thus making the use by right or left handed shooters easy.
Has true “OTB” (over-the beach) capability and can be safely fired after being submerged in water and not completely dry.
Designed for Minimum operator and armorer level maintenance, thus reducing maintenance and life cycle costs.
Folding back-up sights that include tritium for night combat.
Very easy field striping into 2 parts.
100% interchangeability with parts of the Tavor family, thus reducing the overall costs of the system.
Equipped with a last round stopper.
All the metal parts of the weapon are corrosion resistant.
Recoil absorbent butt pad for rifle grenade firing.
Comparison tests have proven the Tavor to posses the following significant operational advantages:
• Increases hit probability under fatigue and pressure.
• Superior reliability under extreme conditions.
• Uninterrupted day-to-night switch without re-zeroing.
• Ergonomic design for increased comfort and ease of use.
• Short rifle convenience with long barrel accuracy.
• Right and left handed operability.
there you go Aloha
when are they thinking about having different caliber conversions for the tavor?
when are they thinking about having different caliber conversions for the tavor?
Supposed to be shipping with the first few rounds of the rifle themselves. A 9mm and a 5.45 conversion kit with others on the horizon depending on popularity of the rifles & conversion kits.
Supposed to be shipping with the first few rounds of the rifle themselves. A 9mm and a 5.45 conversion kit with others on the horizon depending on popularity of the rifles & conversion kits.
supposed to be yes, but as with everything else in the gun community you know how that goes. i haven't heard anything about them being released and people have started getting rifles, also haven't seen any rifles being sold in those calibers, are they only going to be selling conversions or selling rifles stock in different calibers?
supposed to be yes, but as with everything else in the gun community you know how that goes. i haven't heard anything about them being released and people have started getting rifles, also haven't seen any rifles being sold in those calibers, are they only going to be selling conversions or selling rifles stock in different calibers?
Yeah, that's still the official word and as far as I know nothing else official has been announced. Just waiting like everyone else and I was on a 'list' for one conversion in each caliber.
As far as I know there are no near-future plans to offer full rifles in other calibers but once current demand is met & if the platform is a success I see no reason they wouldn't start offering full rifles in other configurations.
patrick0685
05-01-2013, 18:06
From what I heard the 9mm in the late summer early fall and 5.45 next spring
From what I heard the 9mm in the late summer early fall and 5.45 next spring
Is this the official word or internet hearsay?
patrick0685
05-01-2013, 19:12
from Tavor reps at the shot show
patrick0685
05-01-2013, 19:13
things could have changed since then but thats what they said there
from Tavor reps at the shot show
Weird. That's a pretty good source and I guess I'll defer since it appears to be right so far but my source was one of their bigger (biggest?) distributors that seemed to have pretty solid information on everything else. I dunno. Just wish I could get them. lol
This... BuddyandhisAug (http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss170/waxthis/39364171-26F1-47C1-A49A-538D0947B50F-10280-000012A04A658A98_zps30c73ba4.mp4)
Tavor. I haven't shot either one but I like almost everything I've read about the Tavor.
This... BuddyandhisAug (http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss170/waxthis/39364171-26F1-47C1-A49A-538D0947B50F-10280-000012A04A658A98_zps30c73ba4.mp4)
That is a good argument for the AUG. Can't do that with the Tavor.
Well, after some soul searching and some Internet research (they can't post anything on the Internet that isn't true, right?) I have been swayed towards the Tavor.
For those interested in some of the things that swayed me that direction, here is a short list:
Will take the AR style mags that I already own without any modifications.
Can be shot weak side without me having to like the taste of brass. (Not a huge deal for me since 99% of my shooting won't be weak side)
Personally, I like the location of the magazine release and the bolt release better on the Tavor.
I actually like the looks of the Tavor a bit more than the AUG.
Now, I just have to sell a kidney or something and then hope like hell I can find one for a reasonable price.
[Awesom]
KestrelBike
05-02-2013, 19:33
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Trying. Need to sell a kidney, some plasma, maybe some semen, and a Mossberg 500. [Coffee]
cfortune
05-02-2013, 19:52
Trying. Need to sell a kidney, some plasma, maybe some semen, and a Mossberg 500. [Coffee]
That'd be a sweet package deal
jreifsch80
05-02-2013, 20:05
i would get a tavor if they had the 5.45 kits out, the only thing i'm interested in chambered in 5.56 is an a4 build down the road
hghclsswhitetrsh
05-02-2013, 23:07
That'd be a sweet package deal
Heh heh you said package.
So, which one did you decide to get? IWI Gayvor or Steyr Fug?
So, which one did you decide to get? IWI Gayvor or Steyr Fug?
Leaning towards the IMI but haven't ruled out the Steyr totally. It could come down to availability and price.
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