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Saw a news bit today about us arming Syrian rebels. My assumption is they will be getting full-autos, as we have done in the past. Will they pass the background checks? And someday will they return the favor and give them back if we need them?
UncleDave
04-30-2013, 21:19
Yeah one bullet at a time! [AR15]
KestrelBike
05-01-2013, 07:48
Aren't these the exact same syrians that were flooding iraq to fight US troops from 2003-2010? Is the American memory that short?
Aren't these the exact same syrians that were flooding iraq to fight US troops from 2003-2010? Is the American memory that short?
Yes and yes.
How long before this administration puts boots on the ground in Syria?
buckshotbarlow
05-01-2013, 08:20
So wtf, we arm them, but we don't give them snackbars? I thought these goofballs ran around saying "i wanna snackbar"
thought I just read that we have only provided humanitarian and non-military aid so far.. we are only starting to think about sending military supplies with the recent allegation of chemical weapons having been used. Most arms are coming in via Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
Goodburbon
05-01-2013, 09:04
thought I just read that we have only provided humanitarian and non-military aid so far.. we are only starting to think about sending military supplies with the recent allegation of chemical weapons having been used. Most arms are coming in via Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
Who arms SA and Qatar?
Cylinder Head
05-01-2013, 09:07
I believe that the Benghazi incident was a part of this gun running operation. We were running guns out of that consulate.
Goodburbon
05-01-2013, 09:15
I believe that the Benghazi incident was a part of this drug running operation. We were running guns out of that consulate.
It was certainly meant to be something that stayed under the radar. Otherwise we would have responded to the attack instead of saying "what does it matter now?"
Kraven251
05-01-2013, 09:16
Yes and yes.
How long before this administration puts boots on the ground in Syria?
I am fairly sure they already have ...just these are the guys that were never there
Goodburbon
05-01-2013, 09:30
I am fairly sure they already have ...just these are the guys that were never there
Keep your eyes open for "training accident kills #" "Helicopter down, # killed, unsure if enemy activity" "747 crashes, 8 killed"... Pretty easy to pad the numbers on accidents.
Not saying we should never get involved- there's a time and place where our involvement is needed and justified (Rwanda anyone?), but we don't need to be the world police, and we don't need to get our fingers in everything. I guess we never learned our lessons from Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Syria... [Shake] How long until we're fighting the very same guys we armed/trained, like so many times before?
Cylinder Head
05-01-2013, 10:05
Not saying we should never get involved- there's a time and place where our involvement is needed and justified (Rwanda anyone?), but we don't need to be the world police, and we don't need to get our fingers in everything. I guess we never learned our lessons from Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Syria... [Shake] How long until we're fighting the very same guys we armed/trained, like so many times before?
Im going to agree with you there, it seems nowadays we've been replacing oppressive regimes with other, more hostile oppressive regimes.
KestrelBike
05-01-2013, 10:23
Not saying we should never get involved- there's a time and place where our involvement is needed and justified (Rwanda anyone?), but we don't need to be the world police, and we don't need to get our fingers in everything. I guess we never learned our lessons from Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Syria... [Shake] How long until we're fighting the very same guys we armed/trained, like so many times before?
I think even the UN has learned that pacifying African locales is a fools errand.
North Korea, on the other hand, hasn't the US government been criticizing their regime for running what are effectively Nazi style concentration camps for decades? They have satellite imagery of whole industrial towns that escapees have corroborated as being concentration slave camps where people are born into, slaved, reproduce the next slaves then die in the same labor camp. And nobody does anything but give the North more aid and money to get them to stop their temper tantrums. And as history has shown, really only the Asians have culturally shown gratitude and the *ability* to appreciate freedom and not have some religion ruin it and turn it into another dictatorship.
Im going to agree with you there, it seems nowadays we've been replacing oppressive regimes with other, more hostile oppressive regimes.
...that we have made more dangerous by arming with our advanced weaponry that we then end up fighting.
brokenscout
05-01-2013, 14:21
At least our kids will get to visit the Middle East also..Fucking BS
Who arms SA and Qatar?
Well, seeing that all the rifles coming from Qatar are FALs I doubt it's us. There are local govs that have a large stake in the Mid East to keep things status quo and have cash to burn.
buckshotbarlow
05-01-2013, 15:38
why can't we just get the F$$K out of the middle east...
why can't we just get the F$$K out of the middle east...
Oil, stability in the region, Israel (well not so much with Oblahblah in office), Saudi agreements, a whole host of reasons it would be harder than it looks on paper. Not saying I disagree with your sentiment, just saying this is the way it is and why we are still there. Of course reason #1 is oil. We need to become more independent and give the finger to the rest of the world setting prices.
Great-Kazoo
05-01-2013, 15:45
Well, seeing that all the rifles coming from Qatar are FALs I doubt it's us. There are local govs that have a large stake in the Mid East to keep things status quo and have cash to burn.
UMMMMMM we are the "local" .gov who has a stake in the ME. Where you been the last few decades? You don't arm the .govs opposition with US mfg weapons, you give them AK,s FN's anything but 5.56 chambered weapons.
Once they become openly armed with US weaponry we're in deeper than we should have been.
This admin. has done nothing but support the muslim brotherhood across the ME starting openly in Egypt. Look what we got out of that.
Hell we are now dealing with "Low rent Jihadist" who clearly have NO Connections to anyone or any .org other than themselves.
We are also looking into giving Somalia weapons. Cause that worked out so well the last time. I have zero faith in our govt anymore. Do t care which side of the isle they are on.
sabot_round
05-01-2013, 21:30
UMMMMMM we are the "local" .gov who has a stake in the ME. Where you been the last few decades? You don't arm the .govs opposition with US mfg weapons, you give them AK,s FN's anything but 5.56 chambered weapons.
Once they become openly armed with US weaponry we're in deeper than we should have been.
This admin. has done nothing but support the muslim brotherhood across the ME starting openly in Egypt. Look what we got out of that.
Hell we are now dealing with "Low rent Jihadist" who clearly have NO Connections to anyone or any .org other than themselves.
ding, ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner!!
sabot_round
05-01-2013, 21:31
We are also looking into giving Somalia weapons. Cause that worked out so well the last time. I have zero faith in our govt anymore. Do t care which side of the isle they are on.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAnd another one!!!
"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it..." And we even had warnings during WWII that helping Ho Chi Mihn was a bad idea... then the CIA warned of Iraq, and we ignored the signs in Afghanistan, and of course, as per the par for the course there are warning signs all over in Syria, Egypt, Pakistan.... the list keeps getting bigger! [Bang]
At least we didn't create the Viet Cong or the Taliban...
[ROFL1]
At least we didn't create the Viet Cong or the Taliban...
[ROFL1]
I understand you're being sarcastic there, and technically we didn't have any hand in the Taliban and their rise to power... that was the ISI.
ChunkyMonkey
05-13-2013, 13:57
WARNING NSFW
These are the people that Obama wants to arm! I agree with many.. let them kill each other!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z9IRn5b0aik
These are the people that Obama wants to arm! I agree with many.. let them kill each other!
I agree... just let the animals wipe themselves out.
buckshotbarlow
05-13-2013, 21:12
hopefully they all have aids and spread it by eating each other...then they all die off
Not sure what you are referring to. Ho Chi was an ally to America during WW2. He fought against the Japanese who seized Vietnam from France after the fucking cowardly French ran away from the German Juggernaut in Europe. He offered his friendship after the war in return for the chance for Vietnam independence and Truman blew him off. American-supported France stepped back in and you know what happened then- Dien Bien Phu, France losing again (surprise), and America/UN getting involved by supporting corrupt governments and military support. Because of our bumbling Ho Chi turned to Russia for support. Ho/Vietnam could have been an ally.
The history of Vietnam is complicated: a thousand years of Chinese rule, some independence, further Chinese rule, and finally the cowardly Imperialist French taking over the country in the mid 19th century to grow tobacco and tea. France had no right to be there in the first place- kinda like them being in Mexico around the same time. Idiots. Can't blame Ho Chi for wanting his country to be free from the west. His schooling in France/Russia definitely influenced his commie leanings. Most people don't know he lived in France, England, and America in his youth. Think he worked for GM for a while- no joke. Now you can blame him for trying to eliminate the wealthy/educated of Vietnam by murder/concentration camps. He/his government whacked a good 100,000 before we/UN got involved. This whacking might not have happened if Truman would have been a little more open to a Red in SE Asia.
What I was referring to goes back to when we helped them prepare for the Japanese to invade- as was inevitable at the time- and the commander of the Army Rangers sent in to assist the Vietnamese (precursor to US Special Forces) reported that Ho Chi Mihn was a less than savory character and predicted we would be back within 40 years. He was right on that last part. We somewhat tend to create our own enemies. But like you said, Vietnam=complicated.
SA Friday
05-13-2013, 22:23
After skipping three pages on this subject, I can only interject this one thought; arm both sides to the teeth. Charge them both premium rates for the guns and give them cases and cases of ammo. May both sides attempt to their last breaths to win while we sit back and watch.
ChunkyMonkey
05-13-2013, 23:09
After skipping three pages on this subject, I can only interject this one thought; arm both sides to the teeth. Charge them both premium rates for the guns and give them cases and cases of ammo. May both sides attempt to their last breaths to win while we sit back and watch.
As long as once there is a clear winner, we get to flatten them w/ some cold war relic thermo-nu-cu-lar.
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