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So yesterday I was at Gander Mountain and over heard one of the gon counter guys talking to a customer about trigger pull weight and the gun store employee said that "by law" the lowest trigger weight that can be sold is 3 1/2lbs. I assume this is on a factory firearm.
Any truth to this? I have never heard this before but am curious about it.
Great-Kazoo
05-01-2013, 11:00
Maybe from the mfg. Those pesky lawyers got gun mfg nuts in a vice.
Chad4000
05-01-2013, 11:02
I have never heard that either... I could see it being true though
newracer
05-01-2013, 11:22
I doubt it is a law but more likely a policy for manufacturers. I have a CZ that has a set trigger that is way lower than 3.5 lbs.
I doubt it is a law but more likely a policy for manufacturers. I have a CZ that has a set trigger that is way lower than 3.5 lbs.
Yep my Savage with the Accutrigger is lower than 3.5lbs also.
So yesterday I was at Gander Mountain and over heard one of the gon counter guys talking to a customer about trigger pull weight and the gun store employee said that "by law" the lowest trigger weight that can be sold is 3 1/2lbs. I assume this is on a factory firearm.
Any truth to this? I have never heard this before but am curious about it.
NOT a law at all. May be policy of some manufacturers, but certainly not all.
CroiDhubh
05-01-2013, 12:12
It's not the law, it's just not smart to have your carry gun set to less than 3.5lbs. Lawyers are assholes and love to draw a line showing the connection between you desperate to shoot someone and the low amount of force required to discharge the round.
I personally don't mind a 5lbs pull, but like it to be 4lbs. Personal preference, obviously.
It's not the law, it's just not smart to have your carry gun set to less than 3.5lbs. Lawyers are assholes and love to draw a line showing the connection between you desperate to shoot someone and the low amount of force required to discharge the round.
I personally don't mind a 5lbs pull, but like it to be 4lbs. Personal preference, obviously.
i have not seen one case of anyone charged for having too light of a trigger
personally have a 3# trigger in my glock
CroiDhubh
05-01-2013, 12:17
Oh, I know you won't get charged for having a light trigger pull since it's not technically a crime, it's just not worth the hassle of dealing with that aspect of a law suit, especially this day in age.
Should mandate 15 lbs so limp-wristed liberals would be unable to participate in more mass-shootings.
There is NO case of a light trigger being used to "convict" or even as an aggravating issue in any criminal trial. Pure chicken little internet mythology.
There are cases of civil lawsuits involving ADs/NDs against manufacturer's for light trigger pulls. Few of those have ever had any traction and the burden of proof is much lower in a civil case than in a criminal case.
rockhound
05-01-2013, 12:38
this just in, we have a confirmed rumor, yes an actual rumor,
CroiDhubh
05-01-2013, 12:42
this just in, we have a confirmed rumor, yes an actual rumor,
Which is?
sneakerd
05-01-2013, 12:57
Sounds like an idiot behind the counter over there.
kidicarus13
05-01-2013, 12:58
Gun counter chatter is assumed to be rumor until it is proven otherwise. This premise makes my life so much easier.
DD977GM2
05-01-2013, 13:03
Id take it for what it is........gun counter missinformation. Never heard of that but just may be manufacturer's policy for initial sale. YMMV[beatdeadhorse]
No he specifically said it is against the law for a manufacturer to sell a gun with a trigger less than 3.5lbs
Just more shit that we hear at gun stores.
Bailey Guns
05-01-2013, 15:54
Is he that same guy teaching the $49 CCW class (http://www.ar-15.co/threads/101189-Son-s-attendance-at-a-concealed-course-uncovered-these-quot-facts-quot-I-was-not-aware-of?p=1108789#post1108789)?
Sounds like an idiot behind the counter over there.
Is there anyone who works behind the gun counter at Gander that isn't?
Gander use to have a real nice and polite employees at the gun counter.
Seems like they are hiring too many retired special commando colonels w/ MS in Mechanical Engineering & JD.
buckshotbarlow
05-01-2013, 18:32
FUDD's behind the counter making laws up???
baglock1
05-01-2013, 19:46
FUDD's behind the counter making laws up???
Better than FUDD's behind a desk making laws.
Prob. The same tool that was selling a .357 sig to a customer a while back when I was there ( the one in aurora) and was telling them how the factory ammo for it was over 2500 fps.
Prob. The same tool that was selling a .357 sig to a customer a while back when I was there ( the one in aurora) and was telling them how the factory ammo for it was over 2500 fps.
Holy crap, and these are the people they employ to "educate" their customers....
buckshotbarlow
05-01-2013, 20:49
Damn we need a new word for this...
MoFoFudds?
Holy crap, and these are the people they employ to "educate" their customers....
I've been driving a truck for around 18 years and been to a countless number of gun shops across the country, and I would comfortably say maybe 1-2 out of every 100 employees I've crossed paths with actually know what they are talking about and care more about selling you what would fit you best/need above just making a sale and packing your ass full of sand with their useless dribble to do it.
funkymonkey1111
05-01-2013, 20:58
What is FUDD
a Fudd derives from Elmer Fudd--generally a hunter that doesn't know much about guns other than his hunting rifle and shotgun. the guy that says he doesn't mind if ARs are banned because they're not used for hunting.
What is FUDD
The slang term for gun owners of what could be called limited tastes. They are thought of as being casual gun owners and nut true supporters of the Second Amendment. These are the guys that Diane Feinstein is talking about when she talks about acceptable gun ownership.
Two characteristics normally identify a FUDD.
#1: Very limited range of shooting interests. A FUDD could have just 1 gun, or more than 153 guns, but all those guns fall within a very limited range of interests. The interest that defines a FUDD is "sporting purposes". All their 12 ga wood and blued steel shotguns, bolt action rifles, 44 magnum revolvers, and 9mm pistols only have one purpose: sport. These guns are either for hunting, or they are for marksmanship and trap competitions. Nothing they have is supposed to take the role of a dedicated defense gun, or a daily carry gun. They wouldn't be caught dead with anything black polymer, tactical, or concealable. If you ask them why they own guns, the typical answer is for hunting or for sport. If you ask them about personal defense, expect either half-assed answer about a shotgun loaded with birdshot, or just calling the Police.
#2: Provincialism in applying the Second Amendment. By the estimation of a FUDD, the Second Amendment exists to let him hunt deer, shoot quail, play trap, and punch targets. They will likely talk about how nobody needs an "assault weapon" or anything like that. FUDD type sentiment is what brought about the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, as well as many other ultimately pointless laws. The FUDD does not care so long as they can keep their M1903a3 Springfield and their custom Beretta double-barreled shotgun. They are willing to sacrifice other sections of the gun community to save themselves.
Well thanks for the explanation and now I want to say f*ck the FUDD's out there.
hghclsswhitetrsh
05-01-2013, 22:10
Gander mountain is still in business?
Zundfolge
05-01-2013, 22:36
This has been discussed in gun forums for ages, but frankly you're just as likely to get good gynecological advice, soufflé recipes, Mandarin instruction or epic Viking poetry from your average gun shop clerk as you are to get sound, knowledgeable analysis of the law.
missionxo
05-01-2013, 22:58
Love the 75.00 transfer fee at Gander MT
BushMasterBoy
05-01-2013, 23:13
Like shit through a goose...
First mistake was being inside Gouger Mountain. Second mistake was standing near the gun counter to hear what the dribble-lip retards that work there actually say. In fact, as another member stated, I've been to a lot of gun stores around the country and very few seem to employ personnel who actually have a clue about the product they're selling. [2cents]
I learned first hand that the more you know about something, the worse of a salesman you are.
This is easily disproved by looking at high-end target rifles and pistols. A 22 free pistol has a trigger weight under a pound. Presumably comparable rifles would as well.
There is no state or federal law on trigger weight in Colorado.
The OTHER 50% of the reason I deal almost exclusively with private individuals instead of gun stores. It's hard for me to walk through the store while I'm listening to line after line of complete bullshit being spewed from behind the counter toward unsuspecting customers. The ONLY gun store that I've not run into this problem (I'm sure they all have the capacity, but this is just going off my personal experience) is DCF guns in Castle Rock.
spqrzilla
05-02-2013, 08:33
Gun shop commando's always piss me off. But at the moment, I think Walmart's gun counter clerks are more knowledgeable than Gander Mountain's corps of retards.
Too many FUDDS populating Wally World for my tastes. Ironically, the punky little Mexican girl behind the counter is the only one back there that seems to know what she's talking about. The geezers could take a hint from her.
kidicarus13
05-02-2013, 08:45
the punky little Mexican girl behind the counter is the only one back there that seems to know what she's talking about. The geezers could take a hint from her.
Fact at my Walmart. The older guys have too much knowledge for thier own good.
Lol, I was talking about your Wal-mart. :-) It's the only one in town that ever seems to have ammo, so I tend to run by there more frequently.
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