Something I find puzzling - not a rant.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Something I find puzzling...

For this illustration I will be using yard tools(which in this case are hard to find items) instead of gun related items so I don't hurt anyone's feelers...

Example FS/FT ad -

Up for sale/trade is a like new shovel(prepanic price $25). In good condition, slightly used, see pictures.

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a441/RamboZuki84/ba80df0b8f7b213ce113eac36687d4c9_zps67956a2e.jpg

Per trade post rules I place value of $50 cash, $65 trade...

No problem so far, I agree with the supply and demand adjusting the new value, But this is what gets me...

trades:
2 rakes(prepanic price of $15) plus cash
1 post hole digger(pre panic price $40) plus cash
etc etc etc


I guess what gets me is why the hell is your item worth 2 times the original value when my trade item is still worth the same value. Even though they are equally hard to find.


PS I know this is poorly written and probably hard to understand, but its late.

[Graves]

I feel ya, man. Kind of like a bone stock M&P up for trade on a Glock + $200; get the fuck outta here with that.

[lead_magnet]

You can make an AK out of a shovel, so it's worth way more than a rake. That's why the rakes aren't worth as much.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

You can make an AK out of a shovel, so it's worth way more than a rake. That's why the rakes aren't worth as much.

Not this shovel. Not enough 922r parts can be added.

[sniper7]

I have a dog poop scooper upper. What's that worth? How do you tell if it is preban?

[KevDen2005]

This needs a "like" button.

[AR_ART]

+1



This needs a "like" button.

[ray1970]

Yep. Both sides of the deal need to either be at normal pricing or panic pricing. Can't have a mix of the two.

I would also hit the "like" button if we had one.

Hey, J.... Can we get a "like" button? Is that doable?

[scratchy]

There are now several members of this forum that I will never do business with again for exactly this reason. "My stuff is so much better that your stuff" There are a couple ads like this in ammo/reloading now. I won't name names but for the most part, they are relatively new here. Too bad, they are forever blocked.

[losttrail]

I have seen some ads for .22LR bulk packs that were obviously purchased years ago at normal price ($20± per 500, 525) being listed for $50, with trades for 100 .223, 100 .45ACP, etc.

When I see these I quickly leave the ad before I start posting what a low life, scum sucking, greedy, weasel ass they are.

Just like when Magpul announced that they would not be raising their prices but you find maggot brain fart sniffers asking $50, $75, $100 each.

I detest usery.

[JoeT]

my favorite is when you know they purchased their item here and (kinda) know what they paid for it a couple months earlier. I saw a great deal on a 1911 that got snatched up pretty quick (in the $850 range), 2 months later it was offered to me on a trade. I was told my "pre panic" price was $700 (I was asking $1000) but his 1911 was worth a $1500 trade

[thedave1164]

Just because someone prices an item more than you may think it is worth, doesn't make it worth more or less.
The true value is what someone will pay for it. That someone may or may not be you.

[scratchy]

True but when I post an ad at current retail price for an item that is selling for 3x that on gunbroker, don't waste my time thinking I'm stupid or pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

[Wulf202]

I have this problem too. My item is listed at retail for pre panic. Everyone wants panic or if im lucky msrp in credit for theirs. When I tell them they need to make up the gap in goods or cash they disappear.

The few that do get it don't have what I want in trade

[Sharpienads]

I feel ya, man. Kind of like a bone stock M&P up for trade on a Glock + $200; get the fuck outta here with that.

No, that's actually a good deal. M&Ps are at least $200 better than Glocks.

[Great-Kazoo]

If i cannot replace said item for what i am selling it for it either has a current (Store retail) value OR i don't sell it.
HOWEVER Being a proud Capitalist If there's an interested buyer good for you. Remember some parts are not available or has the backorder from last Nov-Dec been released.
BTW: based on the construction of HCWT's shovel with the dual tangs and wood handle i'd ask a premium

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Bump. Just a friendly reminder.

[KS63]

You forgot to add "FIRM" to the OP.

[jerrymrc]

Not this shovel. Not enough 922r parts can be added.

Ya don't need to add them. Just do what Century does. Make a few grind marks in it, stamp a "C" and call it a US part.[LOL]

As to the trade value issue that is just a haggle thing. Call the guy out. And ya come to an agreement or ya don't. Getting butt hurt because someone would not move on their value is not good for your long term health.


If i cannot replace said item for what i am selling it for it either has a current (Store retail) value OR i don't sell it. This I fully understand. I hear it all the time, sell me some ammo! OK, lets see what I have to pay to replace it.......

Of course this comes back to 75% of our work around here and that is policing the yahoos that just HAVE to save the world by pointing out that they can buy it cheaper somewhere else in the TP. [pick-me][Bang]

[baglock1]

When I see these I quickly leave the ad before I start posting what a low life, scum sucking, greedy, weasel ass they are.

When I came across these, I would simply rate the thread really low (i.e. 1 star). I was hoping people would start following suit but no one else jumped on the band wagon. Since this was also when there was a distinct lack of moderator sympathy for vocalizing displeasure with a particular ad, I didn't want to bring it up.

Of course, I don't care if you're trying to sell something at market price (yay Capitalism!). I understand that most folks here don't appreciate AL/GB pricing here on the forum, but some members are willing to pay a premium for certain items and putting it here helps them. The guys I'm referring to are the ones who think your item should be pre-panic priced compared to their panic priced item and guys asking 2x what the item is going for on AL/GB.

An $800 Rem 870? GTFO. Ain't no one got time for that.

[Circuits]

I just can't understand why people won't pay me for shit in pre-65 US silver coins at face value? Market price? wtf is that?

[mtnhack]

I have seen some ads for .22LR bulk packs that were obviously purchased years ago at normal price ($20± per 500, 525) being listed for $50, with trades for 100 .223, 100 .45ACP, etc.

When I see these I quickly leave the ad before I start posting what a low life, scum sucking, greedy, weasel ass they are.

Just like when Magpul announced that they would not be raising their prices but you find maggot brain fart sniffers asking $50, $75, $100 each.

I detest usery.
I especially love this kind of BS from gun shops. I want to say "you know your competitors have that same magazine for MSRP, which is a third of what you are charging", or "that pistol is in stock 5 miles away from here for $50 under MSRP and you will never get that extra $100 out of anyone."
But instead I just leave knowing they will never get a single cent from me.

[Graves]

No, that's actually a good deal. M&Ps are at least $200 better than Glocks.

You shut your mouth when you type to me, Kyle.

;)

[Ronin13]

Did someone say garden tools!?
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/72833-How-to-build-an-AK-from-a-shovel?highlight=Shovel+AK
http://chivethebrigade.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/lead-diy-shovel-ak-47-500-0.jpg?w=500&h=370

[Dingo]

I've often wondered about this - is it that this forum really does just have a better class of people than on AL, or is it simply that we're all held somewhat accountable on here?

[Zundfolge]

I've often wondered about this - is it that this forum really does just have a better class of people than on AL, or is it simply that we're all held somewhat accountable on here?

I think its the latter. AL listings are much more anonymous than posting in the trading post here (that is unless you're not an active member of this community ... but that's another thread).

I understand people's frustration with the volatility of the current market (and the really dumb and lopsided "deals" being offered as a result) but I don't understand why it occupies so much of people's time. If you don't think its a fair offer, ignore it. Either everyone ignores the seller (and they don't get to sell their stuff) or someone else comes along that doesn't think the offer is unfair so they buy it (thus disproving the "unfairness" of the offer).

This is how Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand" works ... its not some sort of moral failing on the part of the sellers, its simply people selling high in a sellers market or its dumb people over pricing their stuff and not getting anywhere.