View Full Version : Why is it loaded? follow up to is it loadeded?.... follow up to do you have a gun in reach?
lets keep jims thread clean argue away in here
for the record everything i own is chambered (except the ar that has a mag in it)
and i have a 3 year old in the house(gasp)
So, if everything is loaded, why not the AR as well? Just curious.
So, if everything is loaded, why not the AR as well? Just curious.
Floating Firing pin? I don't know... whenever I carried my Rifle in the service it was never chambered unless we dismounted and were in a no kidding patrol in a combat zone.
So, if everything is loaded, why not the AR as well? Just curious.
gisslee 3gsd trigger......i dont know if that messes up the drop safety (if there is one on the ar) because i knock it over ALL the time
Bailey Guns
05-09-2013, 07:52
Most long guns don't have the same built-in protections as most handguns (ie: firing pin block safeties and such). Probably nothing really wrong or "unsafe" about keeping it loaded per se. Loaded with the selector on "Safe" is probably more than adequate in terms of safety.
blacklabel
05-09-2013, 07:53
I think the racking a shotgun to scare off an intruder is naive at best and could get a person killed if the intruder decides to shoot first.
I want my defensive tools as ready as possible. If I hear a bump, wake up groggy or confused, I don't want to have to remember to rack the slide on my M&P. Same goes for when I'm carrying.
If the AR or shotgun are out of the safe, they're chambered and safety on. Same idea. I want them ready to go if I need to use them. No extra and unnecessary steps.
Why is it loaded? Because an unloaded gun is just a hammer or club.
Why is it loaded? Because an unloaded gun is just a hammer or club.
Is there a gun within reach? Of course, it isn't doing any good being where I am not.
^ This ^
However, if I am breaking out the Long Guns (Shotgun is an exception which is always in "Condition Red" along with everything else.) for immediate home defense, things have really hit the fan.
I'm not opposed to having a long gun with a loaded magazine and an empty chamber. Typically, when you grab it and pick it up it can be charged quickly during the process.
HoneyBadger
05-09-2013, 08:51
Nothing bad will ever happen to me. If someone broke into my house in the middle of the night, I keep a small megaphone in a holster next to my bed to accost them with verbal self defense measures from the top of the stairs.
My psychiatrist told me that this was probably the best thing for everyone involved.
Sharpienads
05-09-2013, 08:55
Don't forget to urinate and/or defecate on yourself and those around you while verbally defending yourself.
When I'm home, the Glock stays ready to go in the nightstand. Otherwise everything in the safe is kept unloaded and ammo is stored separately.
RblDiver
05-09-2013, 09:12
Nothing bad will ever happen to me. If someone broke into my house in the middle of the night, I keep a small megaphone in a holster next to my bed to accost them with verbal self defense measures from the top of the stairs.
Just have a speaker with an Obama speech loaded, ready to play. It'll put the intruder to sleep!
Why on earth would you need a gun in the house, loaded or not? Put 911 on speed dial! That's what cops are for, right? [hahhah-no]
Glock- mag in, no round in chamber- sitting in my desk drawer.
Mossberg- I recently changed this, 8 in the tube, empty chamber (the sound of a shotgun being racked has a significant psychological effect on would-be bad guys [Coffee])
Sig- Locked, cocked, ready to rock all the time, and is never out of arms reach.
AR- Unloaded, stored, but 7 full mags in the same case ready to deploy if SHTF.
Anything within reach (read as; expected to be ready for use) in in condition 1.
Nothing bad will ever happen to me. If someone broke into my house in the middle of the night, I keep a small megaphone in a holster next to my bed to accost them with verbal abuse from the top of the stairs.
Sorry, couldn't resist!
Oh, and I keep an M1 Carbine next to the bed in Con 3, but those can be charged very quickly. I can probably charge that faster than a handgun, and I don't have a pump shotgun. It'll take me far longer to flip up the dust covers on the optic and turn it on than to charge it. And I pity whoever gets hit by the hollowpoints it's full of. Charging that carbine makes a pretty bodacious "racking" sound too.
sellersm
05-09-2013, 09:51
Another point of view: http://thinkinggunfighter.blogspot.com/2010/09/myths-of-israeli-method-of-carry-or-why.html
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CroiDhubh
05-09-2013, 09:53
Uh...because loading a round is more than just getting a round in the chamber. If I need to use it, the last thing I need is the complicated process of having that round enter the chamber correctly and add time to being able to defend myself...especially a hand gun. Plus, I've always been taught to fire from a draw and then add follow up shots in CQC. Loose use of one of your arms/hands? Why add an even more complicated process than just getting the round chambered correctly in your "OH SHIT!" situation?
Personally, I am uncomfortable having any gun without an external hammer with one in the pipe . . . with the exception of a Centennial or an XD. A lot of guys leave pump or hammerless doubles with rounds chambered, relying entirely on the safety, but it seems risky, especially with kids or houseguests.
Tinelement
05-09-2013, 10:13
All if mine are loaded and chambered.
Well, minus my 2 hunting firearms.
HoneyBadger
05-09-2013, 10:28
Another point of view: http://thinkinggunfighter.blogspot.com/2010/09/myths-of-israeli-method-of-carry-or-why.html
This piece echos my thoughts pretty well, but also has some new perspective that I hadn't considered. Thanks for posting.
The sound of a shotgun racking is not discernible from regular noises. It must be done visually and auditory to have effect.
I keep long guns not chambered because I check the chamber when I pick up a gun that has been out of my sight since I last checked it. Its harder to do a press check under stress than just racking it. Plus the safety issues. Nd or fire
CroiDhubh
05-09-2013, 11:29
Personally, I am uncomfortable having any gun without an external hammer with one in the pipe . . . with the exception of a Centennial or an XD. A lot of guys leave pump or hammerless doubles with rounds chambered, relying entirely on the safety, but it seems risky, especially with kids or houseguests.
Seems a little irrational. Just like my distaste for Walther's PK380 means of decocking the hammer by putting it on safe and then pulling the trigger. Then there are people who don't like the decock on ANY hammer fired gun, especially Beretta and Ruger brands. If I'm not pulling the trigger on a gun, I'm not worried about it. Also, unless you have guns easily accessible or laying about fully loaded, what does it matter? Why are you guests going through your home and rummaging through your shit?
The sound of a shotgun racking is not discernible from regular noises. It must be done visually and auditory to have effect.
No discernible from "regular" noises? Hey that sounds like a shotgun racking... no dude, it's a cow mooing. I'm pretty sure a firearm chambering a round is a pretty distinct noise, and you don't need to see it for someone to identify what it is (thank you hollywood).
CroiDhubh
05-09-2013, 11:33
No discernible from "regular" noises? Hey that sounds like a shotgun racking... no dude, it's a cow mooing. I'm pretty sure a firearm chambering a round is a pretty distinct noise, and you don't need to see it for someone to identify what it is (thank you hollywood).
Yeah, up in Silverthorne there is a recording of a guy and his wife in their "cabin" (the cabins are like...2MIL a piece...) and they start saying they can hear someone coming up to the bedroom. You hear him rack the shotgun and scream something along the lines of "Get the fuck out of here! STAY BACK!" After a moment of silence and the dispatcher asking repeatedly if everyone is okay, you hear him on the line saying, "I hear them running! I think they're running!"
My double barrel shotgun is loaded because i'll have to step out on the porch and shoot both barrels in the air to scare the intruders away.
all joking aside xdm 9mm loaded and chambered because that's one less step i have to take in a high stress situation.
In before page 1 thread lock.
Great-Kazoo
05-09-2013, 13:57
LOADED OR CHAMBERED THERE IS a difference. Loaded is mag in firearm, Chambered is ready to rock pull trigger at opposing team / threat / target/ whatever floats your boat.
Now to really throw a wrench in to the discussion IF your gun has a safety safety ON or OFF?
FWIW: Our firearms are CHAMBERED, SAFETY OFF (NO FINGER ON TRIGGER) Shotguns racked n stacked. AR's , sorry don't own 1.
Bailey Guns
05-09-2013, 14:12
Just to be argumentative, LOADED = CHAMBERED under most state legal definitions.
No discernible from "regular" noises? Hey that sounds like a shotgun racking... no dude, it's a cow mooing. I'm pretty sure a firearm chambering a round is a pretty distinct noise, and you don't need to see it for someone to identify what it is (thank you hollywood).I have actually rigged up tests. Try it before you spout internet bs.
Hollywood sound stages use celery breaking under a microphone for the sound track.
LOADED OR CHAMBERED THERE IS a difference. Loaded is mag in firearm, Chambered is ready to rock pull trigger at opposing team / threat / target/ whatever floats your boat.
Now to really throw a wrench in to the discussion IF your gun has a safety safety ON or OFF?
FWIW: Our firearms are CHAMBERED, SAFETY OFF (NO FINGER ON TRIGGER) Shotguns racked n stacked. AR's , sorry don't own 1.
To answer your inquiry, Jim- by the way, nice add with the question of the safety- my Glock and Sig both have no external physical safety. Shotgun, safety off. 1911, safety on when carried, but I've practiced to thumb the safety as I draw.
I have actually rigged up tests. Try it before you spout internet bs.
Hollywood sound stages use celery breaking under a microphone for the sound track.
Internet BS? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Try looking at my sig. I own a few pump action shot guns, I use them regularly, I know my way around guns, I don't need to "rig up a test", it's called "this ain't my first rodeo, jr."
Kraven251
05-09-2013, 14:30
Pistols, chambered with minimum of 2 spare mags, I am a firm believer in the mag dump...if you warranted one round you deserve three.
Internet BS? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Try looking at my sig. I own a few pump action shot guns, I use them regularly, I know my way around guns, I don't need to "rig up a test", it's called "this ain't my first rodeo, jr."no wonder everybody on this board has a low opinion of you. Based on your bigotry and general y being an asshat I'm just going to put you on ignore.
no wonder everybody on this board has a low opinion of you. Based on your bigotry and general y being an asshat I'm just going to put you on ignore.
Yes, I can be an asshole, when people talk down to me or attempting to demean my intelligence. Acting like I've never been around a gun by saying "internet BS" and pompously stating "aha, I've done tests." Give me a break.
Don't forget to urinate and/or defecate on yourself and those around you while verbally defending yourself.
[LOL]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBUl7oT9sA
Funny thread.
I'm of the opinion that firearms for defense need to be kept "ready to go" just like the airbags in my car. I keep the AR loaded and on safe, the 1911s cocked and locked, I don't like leaving a loaded revolver or Glock just lying around so usually have them in a holster or with no round in the chamber.
Cameron
Holger Danske
05-09-2013, 15:17
The sig has one I'm the tube because I did have any more room in the magazine.
newracer
05-09-2013, 15:24
The idea of racking a shotgun to scare away a perp makes me laugh. I guess you guys are all fans of Biden. All you have done is let the perp know where you are and what you are armed with. I'd rather keep the element of surprise in my favor.
The sig has one I'm the tube because I did have any more room in the magazine.
LOL
I'm telling ya, 1224 should have been about mandating BIGGER magazines.
The idea of racking a shotgun to scare away a perp makes me laugh. I guess you guys are all fans of Biden. All you have done is let the perp know where you are and what you are armed with. I'd rather keep the element of surprise in my favor.
Yup, that is stupid, you've just given your position away. Perp is probably on meth or drunk or all three, he isn't going to hear the shotgun. That is why the safety on my shotgun will be quietly moved from safe to fire.
I was speaking in more of a dramatic way than actuality... Although if I were in someone's house (again I'm not a druggie) and I heard a 12 racking in one of the rooms, I'd probably sh*t myself. But there also is the concern what if the person in your house is a family member, non-violent/non-criminal visitor, or wrong house, whatever. That leads to a different line of thread I guess: do you give them time to surrender/ID themselves, or do you just ID the target as "potentially" hostile and fire at will- don't take any chances with your life or the lives of your loved ones?
Bailey Guns
05-09-2013, 16:03
Although if I were in someone's house (again I'm not a druggie) and I heard a 12 racking in one of the rooms, I'd probably sh*t myself.
What if it was just a 20?
[Coffee]
What if it was just a 20?
[Coffee]
Meh, maybe a little tinkle... 410 and I wouldn't even bat an eye... [LOL]
Great-Kazoo
05-09-2013, 16:35
I was speaking in more of a dramatic way than actuality... Although if I were in someone's house (again I'm not a druggie) and I heard a 12 racking in one of the rooms, I'd probably sh*t myself. But there also is the concern what if the person in your house is a family member, non-violent/non-criminal visitor, or wrong house, whatever. That leads to a different line of thread I guess: do you give them time to surrender/ID themselves, or do you just ID the target as "potentially" hostile and fire at will- don't take any chances with your life or the lives of your loved ones?
WHERE IS YOUR FLASH LIGHT?? YOU'RE ABOUT to shoot at a potential threat and have NOT ID' THEM[facepalm]
Great-Kazoo
05-09-2013, 16:49
Just to be argumentative, LOADED = CHAMBERED under most state legal definitions.
Board member definition From another thread :
SAFETY INFO ONLY...not meant to start an argument. For those of you who think you can chamber a round when needed:
Not Chambered = Unloaded [Beer]
Bailey Guns
05-09-2013, 16:51
^^ Exactly:
NOT chambered = Unloaded
Chambered = Loaded
Regardless of where the mag is.
JustAGuy
05-09-2013, 17:52
The idea of racking a shotgun to scare away a perp makes me laugh. I guess you guys are all fans of Biden. All you have done is let the perp know where you are and what you are armed with. I'd rather keep the element of surprise in my favor.
^^^^^This^^^^^!
By racking a round into the chamber, you've just said "Here I am! Shoot over here, ....at me!" If it comes down to it, I'm going to be scared shitless and I don't want a fair fight. I want every advantage I can get to protect my family. If someone is in my house without my permission, they've already rolled the dice and I don't want them to hear anything until they show up at the gates of hell and somebody says "Oh, there you are.....we've been expecting you!"
Circuits
05-09-2013, 18:05
By racking a round into the chamber, you've just said "Here I am! Shoot over here, ....at me!" If it comes down to it, I'm going to be scared shitless and I don't want a fair fight. I want every advantage I can get to protect my family. If someone is in my house without my permission, they've already rolled the dice and I don't want them to hear anything until they show up at the gates of hell and somebody says "Oh, there you are.....we've been expecting you!"
I guess I'm among the minority who doesn't have fantasies of blowing the perps away in my house, and dealing with the cops, blood on my floors and bullets in my stuff. I'd rather they left without me having to desecrate my homestead with their blood - even if they manage to get away with some stuff.
The shotgun is the furthest away of my HD guns (not in a safe), and I like having the option to go grab that and rack it, if I don't feel in such immediate danger that I go instead for the bedside rifle or pistol, both of which are cocked and locked. Pajama rambos are free to arrange their HD TOE and protocols to their liking... I'll stick to mine.
UncleDave
05-09-2013, 18:41
Unloaded a firearm is a poorly balanced club.
sabot_round
05-09-2013, 19:00
The idea of racking a shotgun to scare away a perp makes me laugh. I guess you guys are all fans of Biden. All you have done is let the perp know where you are and what you are armed with. I'd rather keep the element of surprise in my favor.
^^^THIS^^^^
centrarchidae
05-09-2013, 19:37
Pistol: full magazine inserted, chambered.
Revolver: all five chambers loaded.
The AR next to my dresser: full magazine inserted, bolt forward on an empty chamber. Not because chambering it is a scary sound, because I think that's a bunch of crap. Just because ARs are not drop-safe the way any modern pistol is. If I reach for it, I immediately chamber and put it on "safe."
Shotgun: same as the AR. Although I have far more confidence in my AR than in my 870, which has turned out to be a POS and a Friday-afternoon gun.
ETA: none of my handguns have manual safeties. But they're a mix of SIGs and M&Ps, which all have firing-pin safeties to make them drop-safe anyway.
WHERE IS YOUR FLASH LIGHT?? YOU'RE ABOUT to shoot at a potential threat and have NOT ID' THEM[facepalm]
On my nightstand, plus the light/laser combo goes on the rail of my Sig at night... [Beer]
bobbyfairbanks
05-10-2013, 12:00
Just a observation. Most people that have lots of different configurations of a loaded gun tend to induce malfunctions at the wrong time. Guns that are kept loaded tend to fire when you request that response. Guns that are loaded with the right loading procedures tend to fire as well when you intend to.
Loaded guns that are not in your possession are probable a liability if some one breaks into your home or so no trained or careless person picks them up. The biggest cause of gun accidents are irresponsible gun owners. Lock them up when your not using them. When your carrying your gun have it loaded and there is only one way to have a loaded gun (unless you are carrying some ancient or POS gun).
Boadie30
05-10-2013, 13:59
[QUOTE=Why is it loaded?[/QUOTE]
If it is loaded or accessible, it is with in my control... Kiddos everywhere here! Some which belong to the State (foster Kiddos).. I smell like baby poop and Enfamil.. [facepalm] And as for my teen age daughters here, all they do is [handbags].... They would easily take each other out... lol
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