police shot and killed a man for not putting down his weapon

[ailachami]

anyone seen this on the news today?

http://kdvr.com/2013/05/14/police-shoot-critically-injure-suspect-in-southwest-denver/

[Bailey Guns]

Yeah. That'll happen. Especially after they whack you with a beanbag round and repeatedly tell you to drop your gun and stop pointing it at them. So what's the point? The guy was a fatally slow learner?

[Great-Kazoo]

If this was a non-le using deadly force to "stop" what they perceived to be a threat, would anyone complain OR turn it in to a discussion?

[Inconel710]

If this was a non-le using deadly force to "stop" what they perceived to be a threat, would anyone complain OR turn it in to a discussion?

They'd be piling on to high-five the shooter.

[Ronin13]

Yeah. That'll happen. Especially after they whack you with a beanbag round and repeatedly tell you to drop your gun and stop pointing it at them. So what's the point? The guy was a fatally slow learner?
Death- the ultimate stupid prize for playing a stupid game like 'continue to wave a gun at cops.' Hey, at least Darwin was at work in/around Federal last night. [Coffee]

[Jer]

A guy from the TacomWorld.com forum just happened to be there and said this was basically suicide by cop. Sounds like a best case scenario given the circumstances so I'm not sure this is a story worthy of discussion.

[Great-Kazoo]

A guy from the TacomWorld.com forum just happened to be there and said this was basically suicide by cop. Sounds like a best case scenario given the circumstances so I'm not sure this is a story worthy of discussion.

Has that ever stopped anyone from commenting? and
3-2-1 GO

[KevDen2005]

In before someone makes a completely false statement about law enforcement in the most negative way. I thought it would be faster given the OP's comment.

[Hound]

This guy got what he deserved. That was stupid.

[Ronin13]

A guy from the TacomWorld.com forum just happened to be there and said this was basically suicide by cop. Sounds like a best case scenario given the circumstances so I'm not sure this is a story worthy of discussion.
Well the one thing to discuss, as I've met a NYS cop that encountered this kind of instance when he was just starting his career, is that suicide by cop is a pretty messed up thing. Someone doesn't want to do the job themselves, so they put that kind of stress and mental trauma on one or multiple police officers... I think there might be a separate part of hell you go to for that.

[Jer]

Well the one thing to discuss, as I've met a NYS cop that encountered this kind of instance when he was just starting his career, is that suicide by cop is a pretty messed up thing. Someone doesn't want to do the job themselves, so they put that kind of stress and mental trauma on one or multiple police officers... I think there might be a separate part of hell you go to for that.

On this we can agree.

[Chad4000]

why don't we all have a discussion about how much of a non discussion this is lol

[Bailey Guns]

Pardon me while I bite my tongue...

[Chad4000]

Pardon me while I bite my tongue...


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[Bailey Guns]

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It has to do with double-standards. Never mind.

[TFOGGER]

Cue his extended family coming out of the woodwork to sue DPD, because he was "a good man" and would never hurt a fly. He had to be pretty determined to be an asshat if he still had fight in him after being popped with a beanbag.

[Chad4000]

It has to do with double-standards. Never mind.

cool no worries.. just wasn't sure if it was in response to my post lol

[BushMasterBoy]

Could have just shot him in the leg with a .22...

[Hound]

Cue his extended family coming out of the woodwork to sue DPD, because he was "a good man" and would never hurt a fly. He had to be pretty determined to be an asshat if he still had fight in him after being popped with a beanbag.

They would lose in court, waste money in the mean time, but lose. I assume the camera's from the cop cars would be enough to stop it before even that.

[CroiDhubh]

As much as I rarely agree with Bailey Guns on pretty much anything, we can agree here.

Cop says to put it down, then you put it down! I don't care if you were defending yourself previously from a threat, when the cops get there, for dear god, put the gun away! It's a life altering decision.

As stated before, this was most definitely a suicide by cop incident. Pretty damned messed up.

[Cylinder Head]

If this was a non-le using deadly force to "stop" what they perceived to be a threat, would anyone complain OR turn it in to a discussion?


They'd be piling on to high-five the shooter.

This and this.

[mtnhack]

I wonder about circumstances like this. What if the guy had life insurance; is the company obligated to pay out? From what I understand, actual suicide is not covered? Agressive acts toward police that result in death should not either, right? After all, it was during the commission of a crime (menacing, brandishing, unlawful use of a weapon, aggravated assault on a police officer, whatever it may be).
My point is, the family should not be rewarded for the trauma that the police have now endured and will continue to over time.

[RblDiver]

From what I understand, actual suicide is not covered?
From what I've read, suicide *may* be covered (depending on the state), but only after an initial 2-year period. As to "suicide-by-cop," no idea, but my guess is no.

[Ronin13]

From what I've read, suicide *may* be covered (depending on the state), but only after an initial 2-year period. As to "suicide-by-cop," no idea, but my guess is no.
Usually- not terribly familiar with Life Ins, but as I understand, and as a general rule, suicide is denied coverage within 2 years of initiating a life policy. As to "suicide by cop" I think they just give the benefit of the doubt and pay anyway.

[mtnhack]

Answering my own question. Taken from law website; http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/life-insurance-policy-suicide-clauses.html
What Are Some Examples Of Suicides?If a court finds that a decedent (i.e. person that has died) with an insurance policy has committed suicide, a suicide clause embedded in the life insurance policy will eliminate any recovery under the policy (aside from a refund of premiums paid). Thus, knowing which situations are considered suicides will aid beneficiaries in determining whether they are barred from recovering under a life insurance policy. Such situations include those where:


Die commiting a "felonious activity": Felonious activity means engaging in any activity that constitutes a felony (http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/felonies.html). Such activity may also include intentionally overdosing on illegal drugs or alcohol or shooting at armed police officers who had arrived to arrest the insured.
Die intentionally performing acts with a high probability of death: Examples of such situations include playing Russian Roulette (which involves placing a partially loaded revolver to one's head and pulling the trigger), excessively overdosing on drugs known to cause death, and driving while extremely intoxicated.
Cause their own death in an "obvious manner": In these situations, a decedent is clearly responsible for taking his own life. Examples incude a person shooting himself, driving off a cliff, jumping off a building, hanging himself, etc..

[HoneyBadger]

Could have just shot him in the leg with a .22...



Maybe the cops should have tried uninating or vomiting on him first in an attempt to persuade him to put the gun down.