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Question for all: what magazines should individual Colorado gun owners purchase before the ban takes effect? Obviously most gun owners here will want to make sure they are appropriately supplied with magazines for firearms they already own, but I'm really asking about what magazines should individuals consider purchasing for firearms they don't own yet.
Please, no comments about how the law is unenforceable or trivial to work around. Those aren't really germane to the question.
Here is the short list of what I've been thinking about so far. I'd love to hear what anyone else thinks on this question:
AR-15: Given that this is an AR-15 focused board I'm certain that this one is beyond obvious. But just in case anybody here doesn't actually own an AR-15 (and magazines) yet, I would make the case to buy a few magazines while you can. The AR-15 is the most popular rifle in America and you will want one sooner or later. Additionally, because it is a very common NATO standard magazine, it is compatible with an increasing number of weapons platforms.
AK-47: I basically know nothing about the AK-47. I've never shot one or even fired one for that matter. Despite that, I can definitely see the attraction to one day being able to again shoot cheap comblock ammo (I believe that day will come). You can't go wrong having a few AK mags put aside.
Ruger 10/22: Probably the most common plinking rifle in the United States. Even if you don't own one yet, you probably will someday. The standard 10-round rotary magazines are rock-solid reliable, but the 25-round extended magazines are nice for target practice on the range.
Glock 17: I'm not a big Glock fan myself but I have to acknowledge their popularity. If you ever think you will get into shooting Glock 9mm pistols then a small handful of 17-rd magazines could make a good investment for the future. Six to eight magazines would be an appropriate number if you think you might want to shoot in competitions.
Kel-Tec PMR-30: This is a much less obvious firearm to put on the list. This pistol certainly isn't for everyone, but one of its main attractions is the fact that it holds 30 rounds. If you think you might ever want to own one then it wouldn't hurt to set aside one-two magazines now.
That's my thoughts so far. Anyone else have suggestions they want to make, or poke holes in the above?
Any magazine that holds more than 15 rounds for any current firearm or any firearm you may want in the future.
Aloha_Shooter
05-15-2013, 10:04
What Dave_L said ... and think real hard about buying magazines for a firearm you DON'T own and aren't sure you're going to get. Until the law is overturned, you can't legally trade or sell the magazines after July 1 so think about whether you want to grab a bunch of Glock magazines if you don't like shooting Glocks.
I bought some of the Magpul .308 mags on their Colorado special despite only having an M-1A and an M-1 Garand chambered in 7.62 NATO but I fully intend to get a compatible rifle so I don't mind sitting on the mags. I would not have bought them as "investment" value.
hghclsswhitetrsh
05-15-2013, 10:05
Hate to sound like a pessimist-but if you're really getting started or getting more serious about it, well you're behind the 8 ball. Expect to pay premium prices, and even more so when June hits. Good luck.
Yep. I bought some FNS9 mags...I don't own one, but I want to so I bought the mags last month.
10/22 mags are a tad hard to find, but if you can find them, I'd buy some. Tactical Innovations has some in stock, but expensive.
One mag that is readily available are the Black Dog 15/22 AR conversion/Dedicated upper mags. If you are looking at AR mags, a handful of Black Dogs should probably be on your list before AK and PMR-30 mags.
I will actually be surprised if cheap comblock ammo is ever available in the US again.
30 rd. mags for M1 Carbines, but GOOD ones. There's a lot of crap ones out there that aren't worth their value as scrap metal. Best way to tell is by looking at the locking/latching nubs. If they're well-formed and LOOK like they'll latch properly, they probably will. The cheapos have nubs that are rounded and poorly formed, and obviously look like they won't latch for shit. Genuine USGI's are the best, but there's some Korean made mags that are good too.
Good point about the 10/22 mags. I don't have a 10/22 anymore, the one I had left a bad taste. But the grandson has a nice one that's reliable, I should get some Butler Creeks for his.
I bought some of the Magpul .308 mags on their Colorado special despite only having an M-1A and an M-1 Garand chambered in 7.62 NATO but I fully intend to get a compatible rifle so I don't mind sitting on the mags. I would not have bought them as "investment" value.
I should clarify I meant "investment" in the sense of investing in my ability to shoot those guns in the future, not investment in the sense of future resale value.
30 rd. mags for M1 Carbines, but GOOD ones. There's a lot of crap ones out there that aren't worth their value as scrap metal. Best way to tell is by looking at the locking/latching nubs. If they're well-formed and LOOK like they'll latch properly, they probably will. The cheapos have nubs that are rounded and poorly formed, and obviously look like they won't latch for shit. Genuine USGI's are the best, but there's some Korean made mags that are good too.
Good point about the M1/M2 Carbine. That is a historically interesting firearm that I might want to own someday (already have a Garand, but no Carbine).
I'm on the same page you are. I intend to buy a small amount of magazines that fit popular firearms. Just in case I end up with one down the road. You never know.
I plan on some AK mags, some quality M14/M1A mags, and probably some HK G3 mags since they are still under $4 a piece. Maybe some FAL mags too. Just in case.
generalmeow
05-15-2013, 10:34
Did I read correctly somewhere that you could still sell your magazines after July 1, if they're shipped out of state (sell them on Gunbroker.com to an out of state party)? If that's the case, there's no harm in buying mags that you're not sure you'll ever be able to use.
I've always wanted a PTR 91, and those mags are super cheap, so I bought a bunch of them. I bought 10 AK mags, even though I don't own one right now. I also bought 10 9mm Colt SMG mags for a 9mm AR build, even though I don't have that yet. I think I can still sell them someday, just not to any of you.
Did I read correctly somewhere that you could still sell your magazines after July 1, if they're shipped out of state (sell them on Gunbroker.com to an out of state party)? If that's the case, there's no harm in buying mags that you're not sure you'll ever be able to use.
It will definitely be legal to sell them in a face-to-face transaction conducted out of state (assuming it is legal in the other state). As far as your example of selling on Gunbroker and shipping out of state, I don't know. My reading of the text of HB1224 suggests that may not be legal but it ultimately will come down to how the law is interpreted and enforced.
Superorb
05-15-2013, 11:25
How is this law enforceable? How will they even know when you purchased the banned mags? Verbal confirmation?
On another note, can they ban an AR since it can accept greater than 15 round mags? I've heard no, but the more confirmations the better. Want to know if I should rush into my first AR before July 1st.
Singlestack
05-15-2013, 11:28
I have orders in for M&P 9mm 17-rounders, but thinking about canceling those and selling my FS M&P instead. Looking at a 9mm FNS instead.
Superorb
05-15-2013, 11:35
I have orders in for M&P 9mm 17-rounders, but thinking about canceling those and selling my FS M&P instead. Looking at a 9mm FNS instead.What don't you like about the M&P?
blacklabel
05-15-2013, 11:40
What don't you like about the M&P?
Maybe because it's impossible to find magazines right now for a FS M&P.
What don't you like about the M&P?
Probably the fact you can't find magazines anywhere.
Maybe because it's impossible to find magazines right now for a FS M&P.
Probably the fact you can't find magazines anywhere.
Dang. Too slow typing on the iPad. [Coffee]
blacklabel
05-15-2013, 11:42
I'd give my left nut for a dozen M&P magazines right now. I'm good on everything else.
Superorb
05-15-2013, 11:58
Ahh, gotcha. I've had my eye on an M&P for a while now and I was curious if you didn't like it. But if mags are impossible to find I might as well forget about ever getting one after July 1st.
On another note, can they ban an AR since it can accept greater than 15 round mags? I've heard no, but the more confirmations the better. Want to know if I should rush into my first AR before July 1st.
The Denver assault weapon ordinance does exactly that. They define a assault weapon by the size of the mag currently in it. They also prohibit 21+ mags by outlawing parts that can convert a weapon to an assault weapon.
So an AR15 with a 21 round mag in it is an assault weapon and illegal but the same gun with a 20 round mag is not an assault weapon and is legal.
There are no current Colorado state laws that do that as far as I know.
The main thing is to get any 16+ round mags for any gun you might want now. You can get the gun later.
Any gun that shoots the FN 5.7x28 round. Almost all of the mags that hold the 5.7x28 round are more than 15 round capacity. The FN Five-sveN pistol, the P90 rifle, and the AR57 upper are examples.
I also wonder about stocking up on extensions for existing mags. Will a mag be 15 round mag and an extension be legal after July 1 if you have extensions now?
Singlestack
05-15-2013, 12:37
Ahh, gotcha. I've had my eye on an M&P for a while now and I was curious if you didn't like it. But if mags are impossible to find I might as well forget about ever getting one after July 1st.
Yup, love the M&P otherwise. Love my 9mm Shield even more (shoot it slightly better, actually). From what I can tell, absolutely nobody is able to get M&P 9mm 17 round magazines now - not even LE.
Superorb
05-15-2013, 13:09
Gotcha, thanks guys
I would like an extended mag for my Remington 597
If I did not have an M&P9 and I wanted a full sized 9mm in the future...I would buy FNS9 mags. They are a little more than M&P or XD mags, but the platform has great potential. Heck, I have M&P9 mags and I still bought FNS9 mags.
kidicarus13
05-15-2013, 15:36
Until the law is overturned, you can't legally trade or sell the magazines after July 1 [yawn]
How is this law enforceable?
And BINGO was his name'O
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Depends, I'm not "formally" educated in constitutional law, but one shouldn't have to be to understand exactly wtf "Shall not be infringed" means... Also don't we have a responsibility to disregard any laws that violate the constitution, as they are illegitimate laws?
kidicarus13
05-15-2013, 15:53
Depends, I'm not "formally" educated in constitutional law, but one shouldn't have to be to understand exactly wtf "Shall not be infringed" means... Also don't we have a responsibility to disregard any laws that violate the constitution, as they are illegitimate laws?
Not worth getting thrown into the pokey because you "misinterpreted" the law. Whether your interpretation in correct or not will not matter to the liberlas making and enforcing the law.
Goodburbon
05-15-2013, 16:05
Depends, I'm not "formally" educated in constitutional law, but one shouldn't have to be to understand exactly wtf "Shall not be infringed" means... Also don't we have a responsibility to disregard any laws that violate the constitution, as they are illegitimate laws?
There is ample case law suggesting that they can infringe on firearm accesories, certain firearm types, machine guns, require registrations, ownership taxes, impose storage regulations, carry restrictions, establish prohibited persons all they like, they just can't ban handguns.
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DingleBerns
05-15-2013, 16:16
Depends, I'm not "formally" educated in constitutional law, but one shouldn't have to be to understand exactly wtf "Shall not be infringed" means... Also don't we have a responsibility to disregard any laws that violate the constitution, as they are illegitimate laws?
Unfortunately ignorance is not an excuse to breaking the law. I can tell you I will be using discretion when it comes to these magazine laws and I will not be spending my time looking at dates and magazine capacities.
CroiDhubh
05-15-2013, 16:23
How about any and all with removable base plates? Those are illegal after July 1st with how the law is written.
newracer
05-15-2013, 17:02
I am not too worried about it.
Any magazine that holds more than 15 rounds for any current firearm or any firearm you may want in the future.
^^^^ This
Playboy, I hear they will be collectable.
I'm pretty much set for mags,although I can use a few more.
But if I was stocking up I would get the ones that would be prone to break often.
If you know one type of mag has a common issue I would get a bunch so your able to rebuild them,who knows what the availability of rebuild kits would be like later.
If I'm not mistaken the mag body is the mag and the internals are just parts so I dont think there would be any legalitys on rebuilding them..
Unfortunately ignorance is not an excuse to breaking the law. I can tell you I will be using discretion when it comes to these magazine laws and I will not be spending my time looking at dates and magazine capacities.
:)
I regularly drive to visit family and friends in Texas, Arizona, Nebraska and Wyoming, that should cover anything I don't have now.
Goodburbon
05-15-2013, 21:29
I have a stash at my parents house out of state, I have so many types there I can't even remember. ;)
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Did I read correctly somewhere that you could still sell your magazines after July 1, if they're shipped out of state (sell them on Gunbroker.com to an out of state party)? If that's the case, there's no harm in buying mags that you're not sure you'll ever be able to use. .
The law only says you cannot come into possession nor assemble/construct mags after the 1st. It does not say anything about giving up possession so yes you can sell them out of state. You could also theoretically sell them within the state except for the fact that no one in Colorado is lawfully able to buy them. :D
That said, I have been stocking up on my FAL and L1A1 mags, AK 47 and 74 mags, AR, M14, Argentine Navy FN49 and likely some M1 carbines..
EDIT.. oops, just read the bill again and it does state that it is illegal to sell.. does not specify if that also pertains to out of state.. :O
can they ban an AR since it can accept greater than 15 round mags? I've heard no, but the more confirmations the better. Want to know if I should rush into my first AR before July 1st.
No, this law has nothing to do with guns.. only magazines.. You can own all the ARs you want.. Once your magazines over 15 rounds wear out you can no longer buy new ones to replace them.
Great-Kazoo
05-15-2013, 21:59
Question for all: what magazines should individual Colorado gun owners purchase before the ban takes effect? Obviously most gun owners here will want to make sure they are appropriately supplied with magazines for firearms they already own, but I'm really asking about what magazines should individuals consider purchasing for firearms they don't own yet.
Please, no comments about how the law is unenforceable or trivial to work around. Those aren't really germane to the question.
Here is the short list of what I've been thinking about so far. I'd love to hear what anyone else thinks on this question:
AR-15: Given that this is an AR-15 focused board I'm certain that this one is beyond obvious. But just in case anybody here doesn't actually own an AR-15 (and magazines) yet, I would make the case to buy a few magazines while you can. The AR-15 is the most popular rifle in America and you will want one sooner or later. Additionally, because it is a very common NATO standard magazine, it is compatible with an increasing number of weapons platforms.
AK-47: I basically know nothing about the AK-47. I've never shot one or even fired one for that matter. Despite that, I can definitely see the attraction to one day being able to again shoot cheap comblock ammo (I believe that day will come). You can't go wrong having a few AK mags put aside.
Ruger 10/22: Probably the most common plinking rifle in the United States. Even if you don't own one yet, you probably will someday. The standard 10-round rotary magazines are rock-solid reliable, but the 25-round extended magazines are nice for target practice on the range.
Glock 17: I'm not a big Glock fan myself but I have to acknowledge their popularity. If you ever think you will get into shooting Glock 9mm pistols then a small handful of 17-rd magazines could make a good investment for the future. Six to eight magazines would be an appropriate number if you think you might want to shoot in competitions.
Kel-Tec PMR-30: This is a much less obvious firearm to put on the list. This pistol certainly isn't for everyone, but one of its main attractions is the fact that it holds 30 rounds. If you think you might ever want to own one then it wouldn't hurt to set aside one-two magazines now.
That's my thoughts so far. Anyone else have suggestions they want to make, or poke holes in the above?
I wouldn't waste my time or money on PMR mags.
1- over priced as it is
2- if you don't own one now i doubt you're going to fork over cash for one later. Outside the "novelty" of the 30rds of 22mag IMHO it is an over priced pistol.
3- for the mag price and pistol cost you can have an AR or AK pistol with mags that cost 1/2 what pmr's run.
4- Last item. How much 22 mag ammo you have for inventory, 500, 1K , 2K?
Ok i fibbed some. here's the last item.
How many here are just now "rushing" to buy magazines, any magazines? Little late to the dance.
Was thinking about stocking up on 5.56 links for a belt-fed upper one of these days....you just never know. [Beer]
Question for all: what magazines should individual Colorado gun owners purchase before the ban takes effect?
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Probably cheaper to just buy some gas for a road trip N-S-E-W depending on location.
[hahhah-no]
lowbeyond
05-16-2013, 08:46
Depends, I'm not "formally" educated in constitutional law, but one shouldn't have to be to understand exactly wtf "Shall not be infringed" means... Also don't we have a responsibility to disregard any laws that violate the constitution, as they are illegitimate laws?
I just dont care. What you are you going to do when the time comes, alter your ARs to single shots like some in NY are doing so that they can keep them ?
Are you going to hand them in if they pass a law banning them ? If the answer is no, no way would i ever turn them in! Well then we agree in principle. The only difference is some have more tolerance for bullshit then me.
I left one slave state in NJ, i lived under retarded gun laws before. I left that shithole but apparently i moved to another slave state in CO. At this point I don't care what stupid gun law they pass here. I will break them if i need to. Hell i will break them just becasue FU, i feel like it. Prolly gonna go get some contraband fireworks this year too. Oh no another law i broke!
Am i supposed to run away, duck and cover and call 911 if is find a 15+ rnd mag on the ground somewhere post 7/1? Maybe i should walk around with a roll of yellow tape just in case. Dont want anyone to touch that illegal magazine - its against the LAW! zomg!!!
If i ever get busted, well i suppose it will be by one of those: We are on your side! we love the 2nd A! - we disagree with all these laws - Cops. Yea probably. Just remember politicians do not enforce laws. Cops and prosecutors do.
Kraven251
05-16-2013, 08:51
What Dave_L said ... and think real hard about buying magazines for a firearm you DON'T own and aren't sure you're going to get. Until the law is overturned, you can't legally trade or sell the magazines after July 1 so think about whether you want to grab a bunch of Glock magazines if you don't like shooting Glocks.
I bought some of the Magpul .308 mags on their Colorado special despite only having an M-1A and an M-1 Garand chambered in 7.62 NATO but I fully intend to get a compatible rifle so I don't mind sitting on the mags. I would not have bought them as "investment" value.
In the state of Colorado. You can leave the state and sell them or transfer them, you just can't bring any new ones back in. Though I do wonder how that works with dual residency.
But if I could find them reasonably priced I would definitely snag more Glock 17 magazines.
lowbeyond
05-16-2013, 09:01
I'll tell you a story
One time while in NJ i was at the local cave. Yes cave. In NJ it's illegal to have any signage on a gun store. wtf over. In any case FFL got a shipment of zomg collapsible stocks (he sold them out of state) You should have seen some of the reactions by law abiding gun owners its like they saw the holy grail. They looked upon a 80 dollar piece of plastic as a priceless artifact. Some wouldnt even touch it.
That is when i finally came to the realization that NJ is lost, completely lost. It only took a bit over 10 years after NJ passed its AWB to get there. They had changed the culture enough that people were castrated. That is the day i decided to leave. Now look at the slate of gun laws working its way through the NJ leg. if/When they pass Law Abiding (tm) Gun Owners would never dare to break those laws.
You really want that here ? Fuck that.
Kraven251
05-16-2013, 09:18
I wouldn't waste my time or money on PMR mags.
Ok i fibbed some. here's the last item.
How many here are just now "rushing" to buy magazines, any magazines? Little late to the dance.
I think most of us are calling it a "mosey" just looking for those little extra pieces to finish things out. Though it has really put the skids on getting into a new platform. Case in point, I enjoyed shooting a buddy's M&P, but I won't be picking one up anytime soon because if I only have 2 or 3 magazines for it, really no point.
Scanker19
05-16-2013, 09:20
Cosmo, Martha Steward living, Better Homes and Gardens.
Jeffrey Lebowski
05-16-2013, 11:38
In the state of Colorado. You can leave the state and sell them or transfer them, you just can't bring any new ones back in. Though I do wonder how that works with dual residency.
But if I could find them reasonably priced I would definitely snag more Glock 17 magazines.
Centerfire has them at $30, which I thought was "normal" priced: http://centerfiresystems.com/MAGGLO9-01FACTORY.aspx
(Edit: Korean at $15: http://centerfiresystems.com/magglo9-01.aspx )
Natchez has them at $35.
I think most of us are calling it a "mosey" just looking for those little extra pieces to finish things out. Though it has really put the skids on getting into a new platform. Case in point, I enjoyed shooting a buddy's M&P, but I won't be picking one up anytime soon because if I only have 2 or 3 magazines for it, really no point.
A few weeks back I grabbed some G20 mags, only two, though. What is the point? I got a receipt.....
I had debated AR10, FAL, SCAR mags, but in the end, I don't know if I'll ever buy that. Solid chance I buy a G20 someday, though. To your point, I just don't know about a new platform.
skierbri10
05-16-2013, 12:27
Any magazine that holds more than 15 rounds. Or just any magazine. Screw their laws.
Some of us stocked up sufficiently the day after Sandy Hook, and have been putting all our free funds since into reloading components. :-)
buckshotbarlow
05-16-2013, 15:38
I'm getting all i can...
kidicarus13
05-16-2013, 16:51
A few weeks back I grabbed some G20 mags, only two, though. What is the point? I got a receipt.....
A receipt for 15rd mags??? I don't get it.
ANYTHIG more than 8rds...
and as many 30+rds you can find
Superorb
05-16-2013, 20:44
Can't we just drive to a neighboring state to buy mags?
So this means sellers will not ship any full sized handguns to CO anymore since many of them come with 16+ round mags. I guess we could get the California neutered handguns.
UrbanWolf
05-16-2013, 21:22
Playboy magazines...
Can't we just drive to a neighboring state to buy mags?
So this means sellers will not ship any full sized handguns to CO anymore since many of them come with 16+ round mags. I guess we could get the California neutered handguns.
Post 1 Jul, you could request they ship the firearm and not the "banned" magazine/magazines or request they swap the "banned mags" for "compliant" magazines... Then buy a tank of gas and head N-S-E-W or phone a friend. ;)
Certainly not highly-encouraging the N-S-E-W trip but just saying a lot of folks routinely travel to WY, NE, KS, OK, TX, NM, UT, AZ, etc. -- Hmm, plus I have no idea how to date mags I've owned for years?
Yeah... 'Nuff said.
A receipt for 15rd mags??? I don't get it.
They are "readily convertible" to more than 15 round, hence they are likely to be banned as well (depending on final interpretation of the law).
Byte Stryke
05-17-2013, 06:16
It won't matter, because after the officer takes them as evidence, you beat it before you ever get to court, BY LAW They cannot be returned to you.
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