WHAC Range no more! :(

[Scaleguy24]

Not trying to step on anyone's toes, but just received word that WHAC's range is no longer open. Sad sad day indeed![facepalm]

[mutt]

Yeah, I got the email too. I'm saddened and stunned. Guess my ammo supply is going to last me a lot longer than I anticipated now that I am range-less.

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

Yep just got the email from Cy. I no longer have a legal place to shoot near me anymore, this is very depressing

[cysoto]

We have been fighting this for many months and it is with great sorrow that we had to come to this decision.

[Scaleguy24]

Yep, now gotta start looking for another range to go to. Any suggestion?

[Scaleguy24]

Thank you for all the hard work CY and Juan!!

[cysoto]

The web page is still up. What happened?


Zoning restrictions. I will leave the webpage up for a short while (until we finalize the details).

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

I will elaborate on the story tomarrow when I'm on a keyboard since I was there when the guy was raising hell, no I did not send the bullet nor do I think a bullet ever when through this douchebags window.

[Snowman78]

WOW, this is so sad, I have only been there twice but I really liked it. It also was somewhat close to my home.

[strm_trpr]

%$@# I was on the list for a membership

[cfortune]

%$@# I was on the list for a membership

Same here... I knew I shouldn't have put all my eggs in one basket.

[cysoto]

That would mean suing Adams County; they are the ones who are changing the requirements under which we have been operating for nearly 20 years.

[Snowman78]

That would mean suing Adams County; they are the ones who are changing the requirements under which we have been operating for nearly 20 years.

Well mabey in 2014 when we get a new Sheriff, things will change.

[cysoto]

Well mabey in 2014 when we get a new Sheriff, things will change.

I am hoping this is the case!

[jim02]

Well damn they got another one, the WHAC club off Bromely ln is forever closed.
This club was great you could practice anything you wanted and I suspect it was the downfall also.
Short story is some dumb shit let a round go over the massive hill it appears and struck a house which caused an investigation that ended up closing the range.
Looks like ill be getting a refund as i just renewed my dues in April,that's the bright side of this.

Well hell I guess I need a new hobby, time to sell all my guns and ammo. (yes this is sarcasm)

[jim02]

I only looked in GD. my bad

[theGinsue]

Merged

[Superorb]

Well this sucks, I just found out about this range a few days ago to do one of the .22 shoots :(

[spqrzilla]

Several decades ago, when the old Wes Thompson's Rifle Range was out near Newhall in California, a nearby homeowner went to the County Supervisors and demanded it be closed. He brought with him a .45 ACP slug he claimed to find on his roof.

A pristine, beautiful, never fired, no rifling .45 ACP slug ...

[Sparky]

Does Gov. Owens firearms range protection he signed into law have no effect?

[bennice]

That sucks. I was also on the waiting list. It would have been awesome to have a range within a few miles to frequent.

[Byte Stryke]

are we talking about the same one?
http://www.wildlifehunters.com/index.html

nothing on the site

[OtterbatHellcat]

*yes*

[Cylinder Head]

I know it's far for a lot of people (me included) but Cheyenne Mountain is seriously awesome.

[MrPrena]

Real bummer.

I hope CO Clay don't need to shut down.

[Drucker]

I know it's far for a lot of people (me included) but Cheyenne Mountain is seriously awesome. I have to agree.

[Hound]

Never been there but the lose of any range is another sad day on Colorado. 2013 is just not a good year for us. Lets hope 2014 see better days.

[sniper7]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.........

[buckshotbarlow]

damn, it's just kick us in the nuttz by the antigunners. are some of these bastards working for the irs?

[coyote3]

Though I've only been shooting there 2 years,the 22 steel dogs and the other long range event were great to go to.Thanks Cy and Juan for your efforts.It was fun.

[Lars]

I wonder if I move out by DIA and bitch about the noise if I can get that to shut down too. People have nothing better to do then bitch about what other people enjoy. Thanks to Cy and Juan for all your hard work. I have really enjoyed shooting at whac with all the great people for the last 5 years. Hopefully something changes and we can get our range back.

[Superorb]

So where else can we shoot for those that live out by DIA?

[CHA-LEE]

Colorado Rifle Club would probably be the next closest range near DIA, but I am not sure if you would consider that "Close".

[Snowman78]

Cy,
Can you give us more details, mabey we can go to the
Adams Commissioners' Public Hearings
Upcoming Events

Name
Date



Board of County Commissioners - Wednesday
1369272600May 22, 2013 - 6:30 PM
Agenda (http://adams.granicus.com/AgendaViewer.php?view_id=6&event_id=13)


Planning Commission
1369357200May 23, 2013 - 6:00 PM
Agenda (http://adams.granicus.com/AgendaViewer.php?view_id=6&event_id=11)

[MarkCO]

I was a member there, and consider the operators to be friends, so I was sad to get the e-mail as well.

Colorado Rifle Club (www.crci.org) does currently have open membership. We don't have .22Dogs, but pretty much the rest of what WHAC had. If there are enough people who want to shoot .22Dogs, we can make that happen at CRC once the new berms are complete. Cy, feel free to drop me a note or give me a call if you want to keep on doing it.

[Snowman78]

I still would like to shoot the .22 Dogs

[MarkCO]

I just got off the phone with Cy. If the range remains closed, there is some interest of running the match elsewhere.

[Trigger Time 23]

I was a WHAC member as well and am now considering CRC. I am only debating because of the additional drive as I am in Thornton. Closing WHAC really sucks balls.

[Superorb]

Colorado Rifle Club would probably be the next closest range near DIA, but I am not sure if you would consider that "Close".

WHAC is less than 30mins for me and CRC would be 1.5 hours. An extra hour drive time is tough, I wish there were something closer near the WHAC. Though, I'm sure the same whiners would throw a fit anyways.

[Snowman78]

I was a WHAC member as well and am now considering CRC. I am only debating because of the additional drive as I am in Thornton. Closing WHAC really sucks balls.


Yep I feel the same way, with the wife and kids it is hard to go shooting and with an additional 3 hr's (round trip) I don't know how offten I would be able to make it out there.

[MarkCO]

Yep I feel the same way, with the wife and kids it is hard to go shooting and with an additional 3 hr's (round trip) I don't know how offten I would be able to make it out there.

Take the wife and kids with you. You can sing 100 bottles of beer on the wall at least a dozen times. [Bang]

[DireWolf]

The closing of any range is a sad event, but that being said, I've got a mini-rant that I need to get off my chest here regarding ranges in general.

As time goes on, I've been getting more frustrated with the available ranges and all of the rules, and after renewing my CRC membership earlier this year and re-reading the existing/updated range rules, decided that at least for me, going to the range just doesn't make sense anymore, particularly since the drive time to Pawnee/mountains is the same as the drive time to CRC (from thornton).

Now, I understand that we all want a safe experience and that's what the rules are there for, but excessive seems to be the name of the game lately, and it really comes down to this: If I want to do some (very) basic paper/steel punching (completely stationary), the range (any range) is good. Otherwise, no-joy. Tactical shooting drills/shooting & moving/rapid draw/unorthodox techniques - all forbidden....I get the no tracer due to fire hazard issue, but when the rules explicitly prohibit drawing from holster, having any type of movement involved, unothodox firing techniques, etc., then what the hell is the point? Particularly when you factor in the dues and other costs....

[MarkCO]

DireWolf, in direct response, there are prohibitions because people are idiots, even some shooters.

That said, I am almost done with a "check-out" for CRC that will allow members to demonstrate competence and responsibility and then be allowed more freedom on the East ranges. Basically, if you can be safe, underatand safe target presentations and have another person who can get help in the worst case situation, you will be cleared.

[DireWolf]

DireWolf, in direct response, there are prohibitions because people are idiots, even some shooters.

That said, I am almost done with a "check-out" for CRC that will allow members to demonstrate competence and responsibility and then be allowed more freedom on the East ranges. Basically, if you can be safe, underatand safe target presentations and have another person who can get help in the worst case situation, you will be cleared.


Mark,

That would be fantastic. I agree that you have to plan around the least-common-denominator of idiot, but the idea of getting pre-cleared to practice more advanced techniques without having to worry about getting blacklisted from the range is a very welcome thought...particuarly since one of the things I really like about the east range is the protection from the potential idiot one stall/position over.

Please let me know when that program becomes available...


P.S. - Sorry for the mini-hijacking of this thread.....


Thanks

[DeusExMachina]

Excuse me, are you telling me my friends and I are basically no longer allowed to practice at CRC?

[MarkCO]

Excuse me, are you telling me my friends and I are basically no longer allowed to practice at CRC?

Yes, not until you get cleared. I am working to make it as painless as possible.

[DeusExMachina]

How about that I've been a member for two years and an active IDPA shooter? Fuck, I'll put a chain on my 8th place plaque from states last year.

Good thing the range is nearly empty, all the time.

If they're going to make such a drastic change to the rules, you'd think they'd let people know. Like in my membership renewal, or the website. I guess I'll continue to be oblivious.

Edit: Sorry, but I'm really fucking livid right now.

[MarkCO]

Edit: Sorry, but I'm really fucking livid right now.

Seriously, don't be. I did not like it, so I talked to them and others had as well. My draft is EASY for any who competes to get cleared. It is basic safety stuff. Once cleared, you will have freedom to practice and train. The BOD actually has it in their hands now and it should be a few weeks at most and we will be good to go.

I don't think they really had a choice. I am not going into what some morons did, but the pendulum swung a tad far the wrong way and it is going to get re-centered.

[DireWolf]

will there be a 2-person requirement as you had hinted at earlier? If so, I think that may be a bit counter-productive....As I had mentioned, I'm all for safety and whatnot, but am usually flying solo (as I would imagine many are), and if something bad were to happen, I can pretty much guarantee that even alone at the range, help would be a lot more likely to find me than out in the middle-of-nowhere places that I usually find myself...

[MarkCO]

will there be a 2-person requirement as you had hinted at earlier?

For long-gun, most likely yes. For pistol...not sure yet.

[CHA-LEE]

Clear Creek Sportsman's Club and Ben Lomond Gun Club do not have excessive restrictions. Maybe those clubs would be a better option for some people who prefer to do dynamic shooting? Granted, neither of these clubs are close to anyone in the northern Denver area, but you can at least practice the way you want to. I am a member at both of these ranges for this exact reason. It may take me a while to drive there, but when I get there I can practice whatever I want to. Obviously safety is paramount and I wouldn't have a problem going through a safety class or review to prove that I can practice the way I want to safely.

[Superorb]

Has anyone been to the public range outside Keystone? I know it's far too but I'd rather drive through the mountains than a straight line for an hour and a half.

[Caithford]

Clear Creek Sportsman's Club and Ben Lomond Gun Club do not have excessive restrictions. Maybe those clubs would be a better option for some people who prefer to do dynamic shooting? Granted, neither of these clubs are close to anyone in the northern Denver area, but you can at least practice the way you want to. I am a member at both of these ranges for this exact reason. It may take me a while to drive there, but when I get there I can practice whatever I want to. Obviously safety is paramount and I wouldn't have a problem going through a safety class or review to prove that I can practice the way I want to safely.

When I last checked Clear Creek wasn't accepting any more non-residents. You have to be a resident of Clear Creek County to apply.

I wasn't sure about Ramah. I know CRC is still accepting members, but who knows for how much longer?

[MarkCO]

Clear Creek is currently about a 3 year wait for out of county applicants.

[CHA-LEE]

I know there is still membership available at Ben Lomond. It was really close to capacity the last club meeting I went to though. With all of the crazy gun buying going on right now every single range has had a surge in membership applications.

Clear Creek being a multi year wait to get in is nothing new. I had to wait 2 years myself to get in and I have been a member for over three years now. Put your name on the list now so the clock starts ticking now.

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

Sorry guys I've been buisy but here's the story. Me and my brother go down to whac to shoot but when we get there there's a fucking white expedition parked in front of the gate so we went through the side gate. When we get there there was one shooter that had his chrono set up and a couple of long range sticks and there are two jerk offs harrasing him saying he's not allowed to shoot here anymore and this is when we walk up and I get the story and they claim they have a bullet that went through there kitchen window and they just bought the house. So I tell them they are tresspassing and as they leave they say if they hear another shot they will call the sheriff. So the first thing I did was call Cy and he gets there in 5 mins and he was pissed and says go ahead a start shooting and he stayed for a couple of hours just incase the sheriff came or the complainer (never did). Also my brother was looking at the house that we are guessing this douche bag bought and it is not even behind the range it is pretty much behind the oil well that is to the right of the range about 1.5 miles away so I find it verry hard to believe that one of our bullets found is way there

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

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[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

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Here's a a couple screen shots of the house

[cstone]

Did anyone ever produce the spent bullet?

I know this is now a county issue, and the Adams County Sheriff is not particularly helpful, but it would seem to be a matter of evidence. The homeowner has it and gave it to the SO, or the SO couldn't find any evidence. To point at a broken window and claim that an errant bullet travelled more than a mile, over a hill, and found their house without producing the bullet stretches the imagination.

[MarkCO]

My understanding is that the closure is another issue and that the range was cleared.

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

They never produced a bullet

[Superorb]

So WHAC isn't closed after all?

[spleify]

So WHAC isn't closed after all?

That would be nice. Can anyone confirm this or is it just speculation?

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

That would be nice. Can anyone confirm this or is it just speculation?
I'm sure we would receive a email from Cy if this was the case

[cysoto]

I am sorry to say that WHAC is currently closed. We have continued to fight this zoning restriction with the Adams County Planning Commission but, as anyone who has had to deal with any government agency knows, things in their world move slooooowwwwwwly. We have also been instructed by our lawyer to not discuss the details of the process which we are going through on a public forum (we wouldn't want to give the opposition any information that could be used against our efforts) so, for this reason, I haven't posted much on this thread.

We are hoping to reach an agreement with them in the future but I don't expect it to happen any time soon.

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

Cy would it be helpful if we called our reprisentitives in Adams county? Or somebody if so who I would love to be able to help in some way, let me know if there is something I can do. Maybe we can start a petition or something

[spleify]

I am sorry to say that WHAC is currently closed. We have continued to fight this zoning restriction with the Adams County Planning Commission but, as anyone who has had to deal with any government agency knows, things in their world move slooooowwwwwwly. We have also been instructed by our lawyer to not discuss the details of the process which we are going through on a public forum (we wouldn't want to give the opposition any information that could be used against our efforts) so, for this reason, I haven't posted much on this thread.

We are hoping to reach an agreement with them in the future but I don't expect it to happen any time soon.


Cy, let me know if this thread needs to be removed

[cysoto]

Cy would it be helpful if we called our reprisentitives in Adams county? Or somebody if so who I would love to be able to help in some way, let me know if there is something I can do. Maybe we can start a petition or something
We have had a lot of communication with different folks within the county offices. Most of their answers have been the predictably non-committal "I would love to help because I am pro-gun but it's not up to me" BS.


Cy, let me know if this thread needs to be removed
That is kind of you but I think we are OK so far. People have the right to know.

[The Duke]

I’m one of the WHAC displaced. I’m very sad to see this range closed. My Dad and I have used this range for a long time and meet many interesting, helpful and kind people. CY keep up the good fight.

[jimmym40a2]

I have been a member 20 years (charter member) if suck to see it go. Cy was doing a great job and the range was better than it has ever been.