New star trek movie / told you so. - WARNING: SPOILER ALERT!

[ruthabagah]

It's KHAAAAANNN!

[LippCJ7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7zfnbdyAW8

Sums it up nicely....

Honestly I can't wait to see it...

[sneakerd]

Can't wait, got a date night scheduled with sweet pea.

[SideShow Bob]

Can't wait, got a date night scheduled with sweet pea.

Wasn't Sweet Pea Popeye and Olive Oil's illegitimate child ? [LOL]

[sneakerd]

I call her "slick"............... not really.

[OtterbatHellcat]

So Khan returns, eh?

I'll wait for the dvd.

[Great-Kazoo]

I call her "slick"............... not really.

Ronin sold you one of his inflatables?

[sneakerd]

Khan can't be there, he's passed.

[OtterbatHellcat]

LOL....Jim

[SideShow Bob]

So Khan returns, eh?

I'll wait for the dvd.

No, it is a pre-quel......... Or they did a remake of the original series episode and stretched into a feature length film.

[mikedubs]

No, it is a pre-quel......... Or they did a remake of the original series episode and stretched into a feature length film.

Technically, the 2 newest movies are being billed as a parallel universe, so the same names appear and such, but events are different. So they can do what they want with the source material and plotlines.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Oh, gotcha Bob...thx.

I've still not seen the first movie of the cast re-dux ...heard it was good though.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Mike, ...now I'm totally confused, but that's okay. I'll still wait for the stuff to come out on dvd and the wife picks it up at that time.

[mikedubs]

Mike, ...now I'm totally confused, but that's okay. I'll still wait for the stuff to come out on dvd and the wife picks it up at that time.

It's a convenient and sufficiently "Star Trek" way to explain why everything looks different, why the characters are slightly different, and why they can do as they please with scriptwriting.

If you are a Star Wars fan, expect something similar with Episode 7 from Disney and JJ Abrams.

[Ridge]

Wow, fucking spoilers much?

[Dave]

It's actually not a parallel universe in the JJ Abrams, it's a rewrite of the original characters with the changes caused by Nero going back in time and destroying the ship that Jim Kirk's father was on and altering how he ended up being in Starfleet. A parallel universe would be like the episode in TOS and ones in DS9 where there was a dimensional shift caused by a transporter accident.

[Gman]

Yep. A disruption of the time-space continuum, so the future is now uncertain.

[Hound]

This is what I wish the fisrt one was. Soo much better IMHO.

[Zundfolge]

It's actually not a parallel universe in the JJ Abrams, it's a rewrite of the original characters with the changes caused by Nero going back in time and destroying the ship that Jim Kirk's father was on and altering how he ended up being in Starfleet. A parallel universe would be like the episode in TOS and ones in DS9 where there was a dimensional shift caused by a transporter accident.

Right, the JJ Abrams Star Trek is an alternate time line. Basic quantum theory.

[Rooskibar03]

IT. WAS. AWESOME.

[mikedubs]

It's actually not a parallel universe in the JJ Abrams, it's a rewrite of the original characters with the changes caused by Nero going back in time and destroying the ship that Jim Kirk's father was on and altering how he ended up being in Starfleet. A parallel universe would be like the episode in TOS and ones in DS9 where there was a dimensional shift caused by a transporter accident.

Geez and I thought I was geeky...[Beer]


ETA: and I love the mirror universe in TOS and DS9

[blacklabel]

I'm not into Star Trek at all but I've liked the last couple of movies. Now back to you nerds debating how all this time stuff works.

[Dave]

Geez and I thought I was geeky...[Beer]


ETA: and I love the mirror universe in TOS and DS9

Nah, I'm likely the resident sci fi nerd here. I have on dvd the full series of TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, all 10 ST movies plus the JJ Abrams first one. In addition to Firefly and Serendipity, Buck Rogers, Star Wars movies plus the first 2 seasons of The Clone Wars and 3 seasons of Voltron. :rolleyes:

[ruthabagah]

Nah, I'm likely the resident sci fi nerd here. I have on dvd the full series of TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, all 10 ST movies plus the JJ Abrams first one. In addition to Firefly and Serendipity, Buck Rogers, Star Wars movies plus the first 2 seasons of The Clone Wars and 3 seasons of Voltron. :rolleyes:

Serendipity can be a b!tch, but Serenity rock![Beer]

[Dave]

Serendipity can be a b!tch, but Serenity rock![Beer]

Yeah, not sure how I messed that one up. [gohome]

[Aloha_Shooter]

It's actually not a parallel universe in the JJ Abrams, it's a rewrite of the original characters with the changes caused by Nero going back in time and destroying the ship that Jim Kirk's father was on and altering how he ended up being in Starfleet. A parallel universe would be like the episode in TOS and ones in DS9 where there was a dimensional shift caused by a transporter accident.

JJ Abrams has described them as a rewrite of the original characters but it makes more sense as a parallel universe because some of his inconsistencies predate Nero's interference in the timeline (which coincidentally started with James T. Kirk's birth). I can understand how Nero's interference disrupted James T. Kirk's entry into Starfleet, service on board the Farragut, etc. and even that it somehow prevented Christopher Pike from being injured while rescuing a girl from a fire but it doesn't explain the inconsistency in George Kirk's career prior to Nero's entry, the absence of the Talosians, how a "product of late 20th century genetic engineering" could be 300 years old in the mid 23rd century and have regenerative powers far beyond that displayed in "The Space Seed", etc.

The two recent movies are a great reboot as long as you consider them a parallel universe but they suck at Trek continuity if you try to consider them alternate timelines in the same universe.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Nah, I'm likely the resident sci fi nerd here. I have on dvd the full series of TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, all 10 ST movies plus the JJ Abrams first one. In addition to Firefly and Serendipity, Buck Rogers, Star Wars movies plus the first 2 seasons of The Clone Wars and 3 seasons of Voltron. :rolleyes:

[pick-me] I'll see your DVDs and raise you VHSes on TOS, TNG and DS9 as well as B5. The VHSes of TNG and DS9 come from the original broadcasts; TOS I had to tape when the Sci Fi Channel did the first of their marathon reruns about 15 years ago. I dropped V'ger after 2.5 seasons because it was crap and Enterprise after 0.5 season because it blatantly violated pre-Vermin & Braggart continuity. I'll add to the mix DVDs of the original BSG, Space: 1999, and Buck Rogers as well as ST:TAS, the entire DC run of Star Trek and Star Trek: TNG comics (and most of the Marvel runs of Star Trek, Star Wars, and BSG). I've got the ST movies in a widescreen VHS collectors' edition plastic boxset as well as Blu-ray -- I refuse to repurchase the TNG movies because they stank so badly. I stopped buying the Star Trek novelizations about 12-13 years ago but have most of them up to the point including the pre-movie novels like Spock, Messiah!

I have the original floorplan from the ST:TNG Technical Manual hanging in my master bedroom -- and by original, I mean I bought it at a charity auction from the Paramount rep who took it from Rick Sternbach's office -- it was the paste-up they did to make the book. I have 4 or 5 of the other paste-ups including printer instructions penciled in the margins but haven't figured out where to hang them.

Beyond the Star Trek stuff, some of my favorite possessions are copies of Robots and Empire and In Memory Yet Green signed by Dr. Isaac Asimov when he visited a bookstore on my college campus and a copy of The Making of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan signed by Jimmy Doohan, George Takei, Walter Koenig, Nichelle Nichols, John Winston (Kyle), Marc Okrand and Harve Bennett. I got a tribble from the DS9 episode at the same auction although I don't think I have any provenance on it. Sadly, I bought the Wrath of Khan autographed book at a charity auction instead of collecting the signatures myself but I just couldn't get into going to Creation Cons.

I'll see your Voltron and raise you Macross, Super Dimensional Cavalry Southern Cross and Genesis Climber Mospeada (the three anime series that became Robotech) on DVD ... ;-)

This might be a bad time to mention the 3 six-foot bookcases overflowing with SF? [Bang]

[Gman]

JJ Abrams has described them as a rewrite of the original characters but it makes more sense as a parallel universe because some of his inconsistencies predate Nero's interference in the timeline (which coincidentally started with James T. Kirk's birth). I can understand how Nero's interference disrupted James T. Kirk's entry into Starfleet, service on board the Farragut, etc. and even that it somehow prevented Christopher Pike from being injured while rescuing a girl from a fire but it doesn't explain the inconsistency in George Kirk's career prior to Nero's entry, the absence of the Talosians, how a "product of late 20th century genetic engineering" could be 300 years old in the mid 23rd century and have regenerative powers far beyond that displayed in "The Space Seed", etc.
Chalk it up to the Nero hopping all over time in the quest for Spock. ;-)

[missionxo]

First off the new Star Trek Kicked ass! Second The new time line thing to me made total sense. Imagine you met your wife at a bar or grocery store. Then assume instead of going grocery shopping or out to the bar you stayed home that day ...you never met that wife and never had the kids. One small action can change your whole life time line......EWWWWW AAAAHHHH !!!! Butterfly Effect....

[Aloha_Shooter]

First off the new Star Trek Kicked ass! Second The new time line thing to me made total sense. Imagine you met your wife at a bar or grocery store. Then assume instead of going grocery shopping or out to the bar you stayed home that day ...you never met that wife and never had the kids. One small action can change your whole life time line......EWWWWW AAAAHHHH !!!! Butterfly Effect....

Which is why you can say the effects of Nero's first entry into the timeline could affect all kinds of things from that point on -- even to the point that somehow Sulu, Uhura and Chekov are born earlier than in the TOS timeline (to make them closer to Kirk's age when he takes over the Entterprise). It can change the course of Christopher Pike's career and cause Starfleet to discover the Botany Bay and Khan years before TOS. I'm not sure how it changes physics to the point that main engineering looks like a brewery but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that. It CAN'T effect change backwards in time like make Khan 30-50 years older than he was in "The Space Seed" or give him miraculously regenerative powers that he didn't have before.

[Veritas]

Saw it on Thursday. Pretty good all things considered.

[missionxo]

[pick-me] I'll see your DVDs and raise you VHSes on TOS, TNG and DS9 as well as B5. The VHSes of TNG and DS9 come from the original broadcasts; TOS I had to tape when the Sci Fi Channel did the first of their marathon reruns about 15 years ago. I dropped V'ger after 2.5 seasons because it was crap and Enterprise after 0.5 season because it blatantly violated pre-Vermin & Braggart continuity. I'll add to the mix DVDs of the original BSG, Space: 1999, and Buck Rogers as well as ST:TAS, the entire DC run of Star Trek and Star Trek: TNG comics (and most of the Marvel runs of Star Trek, Star Wars, and BSG). I've got the ST movies in a widescreen VHS collectors' edition plastic boxset as well as Blu-ray -- I refuse to repurchase the TNG movies because they stank so badly. I stopped buying the Star Trek novelizations about 12-13 years ago but have most of them up to the point including the pre-movie novels like Spock, Messiah!

I have the original floorplan from the ST:TNG Technical Manual hanging in my master bedroom -- and by original, I mean I bought it at a charity auction from the Paramount rep who took it from Rick Sternbach's office -- it was the paste-up they did to make the book. I have 4 or 5 of the other paste-ups including printer instructions penciled in the margins but haven't figured out where to hang them.

Beyond the Star Trek stuff, some of my favorite possessions are copies of Robots and Empire and In Memory Yet Green signed by Dr. Isaac Asimov when he visited a bookstore on my college campus and a copy of The Making of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan signed by Jimmy Doohan, George Takei, Walter Koenig, Nichelle Nichols, John Winston (Kyle), Marc Okrand and Harve Bennett. I got a tribble from the DS9 episode at the same auction although I don't think I have any provenance on it. Sadly, I bought the Wrath of Khan autographed book at a charity auction instead of collecting the signatures myself but I just couldn't get into going to Creation Cons.

I'll see your Voltron and raise you Macross, Super Dimensional Cavalry Southern Cross and Genesis Climber Mospeada (the three anime series that became Robotech) on DVD ... ;-)

This might be a bad time to mention the 3 six-foot bookcases overflowing with SF? [Bang]
And your bragging about this? How does all that stuff fit in your moms basement?

[buckshotbarlow]

i still didn't think it was that great, good but not great. K was a badass, good job explaining the story line...

[waxthis]

Kirk dies, really?