View Full Version : Hate or love cops .. your heart has to go out ..
clublights
05-19-2013, 03:53
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/18/us/new-york-student-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Damn poor officer that this happened to .. [thumb down1]
Police fired eight shots at the intruder, who authorities say was holding a gun to the head of Andrea Rebello, 21, during a home invasion robbery Friday at an off-campus house in Uniondale.One of the shots hit Rebello in the head, killing her, police spokeswoman Maureen Roach said.
kidicarus13
05-19-2013, 07:29
That sucks. When 7 out of 8 isn't good enough.
Training training training...
Byte Stryke
05-19-2013, 08:50
perhaps someone watched too much TV/Movies where the good guy goes in guns-a-blazing with your 90#\ "New York" Trigger-pull PoS ...
No Sympathy
the Crook is guilty,
the cop is guilty
his leadership is guilty
the legislators are guilty
The Mayor is guilty
the Governor is guilty
the media is guilty
and the people of New York State are guilty for perpetuating the victimization and disarmament of free people
you cannot deny someone the right to defend themselves and then not accept blame when they die at the hands of another.
but, as everyone says, "They voted for them..."
is it July 1 yet?
RedDogFabrication
05-19-2013, 09:01
That could have been handled a different way. You can always withdraw. I do not agree poor officer he has to live with his bad decision so what! He should it was his. She is dead and he had on body armor. I see this as a tactics problem not a marksman issue. Placed his life above hers, definition of a coward and not a hero.
blacklabel
05-19-2013, 09:07
I don't feel bad for him. He made a decision, didn't perform as well as the situation dictated and now a young woman is dead and he has to suffer the consequences. It's a crap situation but doesn't mean I need to have to sympathy for the guy.
Great-Kazoo
05-19-2013, 09:22
Training training training...
Their training combined with the [ as byte mentioned] horrendous need 2 hands trigger pull, is appalling. Of this i comment on based on personal experience with numerous LE agencies / depts in that area.
KevDen2005
05-19-2013, 09:39
Hey since you all were there could you tell me exactly what happened?
Byte Stryke
05-19-2013, 09:45
Hey since you all were there could you tell me exactly what happened?
Sure,
The people, politicians/government, police, media disarmed free people and a woman was killed without a chance to defend herself.
next?
Bailey Guns
05-19-2013, 09:45
Everyone was put into a bad situation by a criminal. The officer may have made a bad decision. I wasn't there so I don't know. The scumbag and a "justice" system that let him, a violent, repeat criminal, out of prison to terrorize society is the ultimate place where blame should be placed. It's just unfortunate that the victim had to pay with her life and an officer is going to have pay with his/her career (and more) because of it.
<MADDOG>
05-19-2013, 09:46
Poor cop? Really? Are you trolling? Maybe I'm abnormal, but I think the loss of the girl's life is the key issue; and I'm sure her loved-ones don't consider the situation "unfortunate", nor do most college girls think about arming themselves.
Hey since you all were there could you tell me exactly what happened?
Cop shot 8 times, killed the victim and not the perp. Has to live with that the rest of his life. Doubt there is much more to it than that.
Sharpienads
05-19-2013, 09:49
Cop shot 8 times, killed the victim and not the perp. Has to live with that the rest of his life. Doubt there is much more to it than that.
They both were killed.
ETA: Out of pure curiosity, I wonder which of the 8 rounds hit the girl.
Byte Stryke
05-19-2013, 09:50
Maybe I'm abnormal, but I think the loss of the girl's life is the key issue...
Nope,
right there with you, but I believe that there is enough blood and blame to go around.
its not just the cops fault, but he and all of his ilk share the blame in varying degrees. (see list above)
brokenscout
05-19-2013, 09:50
I feel sorry for her family.
Byte Stryke
05-19-2013, 09:57
Nope,
right there with you, but I believe that there is enough blood and blame to go around.
its not just the cops fault, but he and all of his ilk share the blame in varying degrees. (see list above)
for clarification, so I don't get accused of cop bashing, again... this refers to ALL New Yorkers, Not just Law enforcement officers.
KevDen2005
05-19-2013, 10:07
I would like to point something out here, directed at no one in particular on the forum, other than a great number of people. When the government spends tons of money on equipment, training, and ammunition the people seem to get upset and say, "the police act too much like the military" and "they don't need all of that" and "waste of tax payers dollars." But when the government messes something up all I hear is, "they need need more training" but what you are really also saying is they need more training, equipment, and ammunition. We all shoot guns here, so lets face it. If we want them to be more trained then they need those things and probably new training from people who know what works, like anti-terror groups such as SF, who will train them to be accurate shooters with hostages under stressful situations. But we all know we don't want them acting like the military. Pick a side already!
Bailey Guns
05-19-2013, 10:14
Poor cop? Really? Are you trolling? Maybe I'm abnormal, but I think the loss of the girl's life is the key issue; and I'm sure her loved-ones don't consider the situation "unfortunate", nor do most college girls think about arming themselves.
Who said "poor cop" besides RedDog? And he was being sarcastic in case you missed it.
Why is wrong to feel sympathy for the officer for the situation he was placed into in addition to the victim? I seriously doubt he's OK with what happened.
Once again, the membership doesn't disappoint. Happens like clockwork any time an incident like this happens.
sad prayers to that girls family
lowbeyond
05-19-2013, 11:06
Victim Dead, but that's just unfortunate.
Lets all have a sympathy party for the cop who shot her becasue he may have the boo-hoos
ok sure. that seems reasonable.
This is certainly enlightening. And here I thought once the ridiculous legislative season was over, people would calm down.
Instead, there seems to be some new targets that some have chosen, right from the forum, too.
Oh, and I have plenty of sympathy for the victim, and plenty of sympathy for the cop. Apparently there are plenty of people on this forum that have ever made a regrettable mistake before.
Byte Stryke
05-19-2013, 11:48
This is certainly enlightening. And here I thought once the ridiculous legislative season was over, people would calm down.
Instead, there seems to be some new targets that some have chosen, right from the forum, too.
Oh, and I have plenty of sympathy for the victim, and plenty of sympathy for the cop. Apparently there are plenty of people on this forum that have ever made a regrettable mistake before.
THAT sir, is your first mistake.
the stupid will never end.
Morse, Bloomberg and Hickenlooper have proved that.
in case you need more proof
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/05/18/calif-law-takes-effect-on-microstamping-guns/
There are NO Manufacturers currently able to produce this... CalGuns owns the patent
but its still "The LAW!"
and there are people lining up to "uphold the law" regardless of its direct conflict with human rights.
So, I don't get it... Are we supposed to feel bad for the cop for making a bad decision?
DavieD55
05-19-2013, 12:32
That is called negligent homicide.
DingleBerns
05-19-2013, 12:37
My head hurts from the warrant thread, and now this!
That could have been handled a different way. You can always withdraw. I do not agree poor officer he has to live with his bad decision so what! He should it was his. She is dead and he had on body armor. I see this as a tactics problem not a marksman issue. Placed his life above hers, definition of a coward and not a hero.
Now that you have more then a split second to think about it, what would you have done?
Bailey Guns
05-19-2013, 12:37
It's getting to the point you just can't have an intelligent conversation around here. Some of you guys are so narrow-minded you're unable to see the bigger picture. I'm sometimes ashamed to be part of this community when I see some of the bullshit that pops up on these pages.
I feel bad for the cop because he has to live with this for the rest of his life. My heart goes out to the victims family.
My head hurts from the warrant thread, and now this!
Now that you have more then a split second to think about it, what would you have done?
It's a tough spot, no doubt.
But here's the problem LE has... The statists have said we must be disarmed because the police can protect us better than we can protect ourselves. Think about the burden that puts on LE. It will open up every situation to intense scrutiny, because, lets face it: that poor women could have done a much better job protecting herself than the officer who shot her in the head.
And, as we all know, being in NY puts people at a disadvantage against violent crime because disarmament incentivizes crime. Which means there is an increased need to receive safety from LE/gov.
If an officer shows up for work, he is accepting this responsibility. I wouldn't want any part of it...
Great-Kazoo
05-19-2013, 13:14
Victim Dead, but that's just unfortunate.
Lets all have a sympathy party for the cop who shot her becasue he may have the boo-hoos
ok sure. that seems reasonable.
Let me tell ya about the retired cop who shot & killed my brother. .................................................b y mistake.
THAT sir, is your first mistake.
the stupid will never end.
Morse, Bloomberg and Hickenlooper have proved that.
in case you need more proof
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/05/18/calif-law-takes-effect-on-microstamping-guns/
There are NO Manufacturers currently able to produce this... CalGuns owns the patent
but its still "The LAW!"
and there are people lining up to "uphold the law" regardless of its direct conflict with human rights.
I neglected to say "Colorado legislation." That is what I was talkiing about.
You'll note that I did not in any way state that I thought the battle for gun legislation was over; rather, I was remarking upon how quickly the forum members tend to turn upon each other like a bucket of crabs when we don't have the unifying force of local lawmakers to fight.
Frankly, watching this anti-cop sentiment sweep through this forum makes me wonder when it will end. Who's next in front of the armchair firing squad? Military members? Security guards? Any member in a uniformed authoritarian position? Goverment workers?
SideShow Bob
05-19-2013, 13:24
I neglected to say "Colorado legislation." That is what I was talkiing about.
You'll note that I did not in any way state that I thought the battle for gun legislation was over; rather, I was remarking upon how quickly the forum members tend to turn upon each other like a bucket of crabs when we don't have the unifying force of local lawmakers to fight.
Frankly, watching this anti-cop sentiment sweep through this forum makes me wonder when it will end. Who's next in front of the armchair firing squad? Military members? Security guards? Any member in a uniformed authoritarian position? Goverment workers?
There is already hate and discontent toward "Government Workers" here. Be it City, County, State or Federal.
DavieD55
05-19-2013, 13:29
There is already hate and discontent toward "Government Workers" here. Be it City, County, State or Federal.
I dont think it is a hate towards gov as much as it is discontent with the corruption that comes along with more and endless gov.
SuperiorDG
05-19-2013, 13:31
It takes a hell of a person to want to be a cop. Dealing with the worst 10 percent of society day in and day out. It's just a matter of time before one is put in the impossible position to take a life with only seconds to think about what's right and wrong. He only knows what went down to cause this to happen and now a lot of pain will be felt on all effected. No one here can say they would have handled it differently, because none of us were there.
Sharpienads
05-19-2013, 13:39
It takes a hell of a person to want to be a cop. Dealing with the worst 10 percent of society day in and day out. It's just a matter of time before one is put in the impossible position to take a life with only seconds to think about what's right and wrong. He only knows what went down to cause this to happen and now a lot of pain will be felt on all effected. No one here can say they would have handled it differently, because none of us were there.
Well said.
<MADDOG>
05-19-2013, 13:54
Who said "poor cop" besides RedDog? And he was being sarcastic in case you missed it.
Why is wrong to feel sympathy for the officer for the situation he was placed into in addition to the victim? I seriously doubt he's OK with what happened.
Once again, the membership doesn't disappoint. Happens like clockwork any time an incident like this happens.
As my sense of sarcasm is lost on you, let me put this in simple terms; it was directed at the OP. Read again in case you missed it.
It is not for us to judge the circumstances of what happened, because we we not there and do not know the full details; but it is automatically assumed its a "poor cop" (at least as I read the OP).
As some have already noted; I have witnessed too many times that people have jumped on the "bash cops" bandwagon (revert back to my trolling comment). We must have an abundance of LE/SOF members, because the AAR's just pile in after 10 minutes of a news report.
In my opinion, the loss of the life of the girl is paramount right now. And the only true person to blame is the fuckhead who started this mess...
theGinsue
05-19-2013, 14:07
It takes a hell of a person to want to be a cop. Dealing with the worst 10 percent of society day in and day out. It's just a matter of time before one is put in the impossible position to take a life with only seconds to think about what's right and wrong. He only knows what went down to cause this to happen and now a lot of pain will be felt on all effected. No one here can say they would have handled it differently, because none of us were there.
Well said.
In my opinion, the loss of the life of the girl is paramount right now. And the only true person to blame is the fuckhead who started this mess...
+1
This officer had mere fractions of a second to analyze, decide, and execute.
Had the officer fired and hit the victim (exactly what occurred) - he's demonized by all
Had the officer fired and missed the victim, but hit the criminal - he's a hero
Had the officer fired and missed everyone - he's demonized by all
Had the officer withdrawn and the criminal killed the girl (and possibly the other twin in the home) - he's demonized by all
Had the officer withdrawn and no victims were killed, but the criminal later was - he's demonized by the left
Had the officer withdrawn and everyone survived, but the criminal got away - he's demonized by all
Had the officer withdrawn and everyone survived, and the criminal was captured - everyone's happy, no one is demonized or deemed a hero.
Remember, the officer had fractions of a second to determine how to respond. He had to rely on his training and best judgement of the situation in an instant. While the result is extremely regrettable and tragic, armchair quarterbacking it in the safety of our homes with all the time in the world isn't fair to anyone who was involved. I can, in no way, have any idea how I might have responded.
In the end, two lives were lost and many others are destroyed. All we can fairly do is hope and pray that those who survived and are impacted by this can do so with some degree of compassion from those of us looking in from the outside.
wctriumph
05-19-2013, 15:14
Prayers on the way for all of the parties involved... except the bad guy, may he rot in hell.
Every bullet one sends down range has a lawyer behind it...
It's unfortunate that this cop was placed in a position where an error on his part resulted in an innocent person's life being lost. I'm 100% certain that he would do anything to take that particular bullet back. The criminal responsible for creating the situation is beyond the ability of the law to be held responsible, and only after all the facts are in will we know if the officer acted in an appropriate manner.
Chad4000
05-19-2013, 17:35
It's getting to the point you just can't have an intelligent conversation around here. Some of you guys are so narrow-minded you're unable to see the bigger picture. I'm sometimes ashamed to be part of this community when I see some of the bullshit that pops up on these pages.
dont know ya bud... but youve been talking like that for awhile now... maybe you should take a few of these threads off and cool down..
I blame Keanu Reeves.
If that's a juvenile attempt at humor, you fell well short of the mark. Grow the fuck up cupcake.
Bailey Guns
05-19-2013, 18:39
dont know ya bud... but youve been talking like that for awhile now... maybe you should take a few of these threads off and cool down..
I've been around this forum for a long time and some things never change. The hatred by many of LE has been evident since I've been here. I see it getting worse...not better. I don't need to cool down. What I need is for some people to use a little objectivity and reason before they post something. But that's a fuckin' pipedream.
http://youtu.be/hnphh_e3xWM
StagLefty
05-19-2013, 18:59
How in the hell can anyone here pass judgement on an action they weren't at ???? I'm not siding with the officer but I'm also not condemning him because I WASN'T THERE !!!
Aloha_Shooter
05-19-2013, 19:00
dont know ya bud... but youve been talking like that for awhile now... maybe you should take a few of these threads off and cool down..
Or maybe the anti-LEO tards should put a sock in it for a thread or two or three.
Bailey Guns
05-19-2013, 19:03
Paul Harvey gets it.
If that's a juvenile attempt at humor, you fell well short of the mark. Grow the fuck up cupcake.
I blame Keanu Reeves.
Keanu comment made me smile. He was an F......B......I..... agent. Perhaps a comment on years of hero movies impacting his actions. I would have Blamed Bruce Willis. I for one thank God I have not had to make the call the officer made.
Byte Stryke
05-19-2013, 19:31
I am still trying to figure out why two patrol officers rushed into a home under KNOWN hostage situation.
lets talk about that elephant... its sitting on the coffee table
Bailey Guns
05-19-2013, 19:36
I am still trying to figure out why two patrol officers rushed into a home under KNOWN hostage situation.
lets talk about that elephant... its sitting on the coffee table
Now, I only read the CNN article in the OP. From that article, and only that article, I'm trying to determine how you came to the conclusion the officers "rushed into a home under (a) KNOWN hostage situation"?
If those circumstances are made clear elsewhere I just haven't seen it.
If that's a juvenile attempt at humor, you fell well short of the mark. Grow the fuck up cupcake.
It was. Can't win 'em all.
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