New XBOX reveal

[Bitter Clinger]

Any one gonna watch? It starts in about an hour and 15. Predictions? I predict NO always online, HEAVY kinect 2 promotion, and forza 5, maybe even a price and release window. And we will see the console and controller. And a blue ray!

[Dingo]

I predict that I will have zero interest in any gaming systems from here out, until they can figure out a way to have sensory-input-augmented virtual reality. And accompanying interactive porn. :-)

[Dave_L]

Always cool to see the next generation of gaming but I sold my xbox a couple months ago. Haven't missed it since.

[RblDiver]

Almost forgot about this, do you know a good site that'll stream it?


And accompanying interactive porn. :-)

Just get a:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhoYLp8CtXI

[blacklabel]

I heard a dirty rumor that the new console won't allow you to play used games. I have zero interest if this is true.

[Bitter Clinger]

I heard a dirty rumor that the new console won't allow you to play used games. I have zero interest if this is true.

This. Also the rumor of HAVING to install games to play. I have AT LEAST a terabyte of 360 games, how will they do that?

[Ronin13]

I just spent almost $1,000 on a new PC, and going, for instance, from Skyrim for 360, to Skyrim for PC (granted starting all over) one thing Xbox can't do: Mods. I'm never going back. Gotta cancel my GameFly today. [Beer]

[Circuits]

I just spent almost $1,000 on a new PC, and going, for instance, from Skyrim for 360, to Skyrim for PC (granted starting all over) one thing Xbox can't do: Mods. I'm never going back. Gotta cancel my GameFly today. [Beer]

+1000

[RblDiver]

Yeah, I've definitely been doing more PC stuff since I upgraded my PC, but having tested many games on the 360 I still have a soft-spot for consoles :P lol

(7 min to go, http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hub/reveal )

[RblDiver]

Xbox One is the name.

[Monky]

I've always flip flopped between console and PC gaming. One thing I like about the xbox is it seriously takes effort to cheat. You can't really run additional things. I know you can mod controllers and do things like that but cheating is cut way down.. where on PC games it is very common place (hell I've done it for fun).

I'll end up getting a new xbox when it's released I'm sure, maybe I'll give my current one away depending on backwards compatibility.

I'll continue to run both rigs till one truely is better than the other.

[Monky]

XBOX ONE? WTF kind of name.

[KestrelBike]

I played a lot of Nintendo, some genesis, then switched to full on PC games growing up. Quake I/II Doom 1-3 team fortress etc. then the next gen consoles came like PS2, Xbox, ps3, and gaming steadily has gone to shit.

By putting so many gaming devices in the households of kids who didn't know any better, the market has become so diluted with shittily made games that there's no reason for the massive companies these days to put out any quality besides the once-every-five graphics eye candy titles. What EA in particular has done has bought out the developers who used to make games for fun, then they point the legal cannons in any way they can at the competition who tries to make something for themselves. I hate consoles for this reason and the kids who play them.

[CroiDhubh]

I can't wait to spend an extra $60 a year in order to use the Internet in my Internet ready gaming station! Pay an extra $60 a year to watch my $8 a month Netflix? Fuck yes! Pay an extra $60 a year to play online with my friends? Fuck yes! Pay an extra $60 a month to get all achievements on a game? Fuck yes![hahhah-no]

I'll stick with my Playstation...and wait for the second generation of the console [Coffee]



I've always flip flopped between console and PC gaming. One thing I like about the xbox is it seriously takes effort to cheat. You can't really run additional things. I know you can mod controllers and do things like that but cheating is cut way down.. where on PC games it is very common place (hell I've done it for fun).

I'll end up getting a new xbox when it's released I'm sure, maybe I'll give my current one away depending on backwards compatibility.

I'll continue to run both rigs till one truely is better than the other.

Not true. Consoles are becoming just as easy to cheat on as PC games. Actually, with moderated servers and the like, cheating on PC is becoming less common. Consoles, however, it's almost every other game on the FPS genre. Since you can't even vote kick people out of games, forget it.

Then there's the problems with Peer-2-Peer connections...with how close consoles are to low end PC's these days, there's NO REASON for this P2P bullshit! GIVE US DEDICATED SERVERS YOU ASSHOLES!

That said, it's much cheaper to get a console than a gaming PC which won't run games in 2 years. I love my PC and would really like to get a new one to play new games, but I just can't afford it.

[RblDiver]

XBOX ONE? WTF kind of name.
The idea is that it is your one-stop for entertainment etc. I agree, dumb name since everyone calls the original Xbox the Xbox 1, but *shrug*

(...they just announced a live-action Halo TV series....hrm...)

[Ronin13]

I played a lot of Nintendo, some genesis, then switched to full on PC games growing up. Quake I/II Doom 1-3 team fortress etc. then the next gen consoles came like PS2, Xbox, ps3, and gaming steadily has gone to shit.

By putting so many gaming devices in the households of kids who didn't know any better, the market has become so diluted with shittily made games that there's no reason for the massive companies these days to put out any quality besides the once-every-five graphics eye candy titles. What EA in particular has done has bought out the developers who used to make games for fun, then they point the legal cannons in any way they can at the competition who tries to make something for themselves. I hate consoles for this reason and the kids who play them.
I still haven't forgiven EA for spending all their time going after competition with their lawyers instead of using them for good- Like getting a non-shit MLB game released instead of letting 2K (aka 2Krappy, Take-Two Interactive) sports get the MLB license- last good baseball game I played was MVP Baseball 2005 (the one with ManRam on the cover), and it was for the original Xbox... Tried the MLB 2K series and I almost wanted to club a baby seal it was so awful. /rant. EA can suck it.

[KestrelBike]

I still haven't forgiven EA for spending all their time going after competition with their lawyers instead of using them for good- Like getting a non-shit MLB game released instead of letting 2K (aka 2Krappy, Take-Two Interactive) sports get the MLB license- last good baseball game I played was MVP Baseball 2005 (the one with ManRam on the cover), and it was for the original Xbox... Tried the MLB 2K series and I almost wanted to club a baby seal it was so awful. /rant. EA can suck it.

It's funny, but there really is a direct correlation between obama being elected twice and the state of shitty video games. Greed on the part of "producers" and stupidity/ignorance/no education on the part of the consumer/voters.

[Ronin13]

...they just announced a live-action Halo TV series....hrm...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_4:_Forward_Unto_Dawn
It's on NetFlix... a web series, but I might check it out, but seems pretty cool while we wait. Ever since the movie got cancelled (Peter Jackson was set to direct- Can you say "Epic" in your best Master Chief voice?).

Halo is running the risk of ending up like Final Fantasy- AKA- Another dead horse for the gaming world. Seriously, there must be 20+ FF games out there (although they call the latest 13, there are many more than that). I get it, Halo is popular, the concept is fantastic, but seriously, go too far and you run the risk of losing originality- I hope the next gen does it right and keeps it fresh... They could learn from one of my favorite series, the Elder Scrolls, they're gearing up for ES-Online, and I hope that they make a 6th game in the series, the mod community for Morrowind (the 3rd game in the series) is still going strong after 11 years. That's doing it right.

[Dave_L]

I still haven't forgiven EA for spending all their time going after competition with their lawyers instead of using them for good- Like getting a non-shit MLB game released instead of letting 2K (aka 2Krappy, Take-Two Interactive) sports get the MLB license- last good baseball game I played was MVP Baseball 2005 (the one with ManRam on the cover), and it was for the original Xbox... Tried the MLB 2K series and I almost wanted to club a baby seal it was so awful. /rant. EA can suck it.

Playstation has THE best MLB game. MLB: The Show? I think thats the name. Freakin amazing.

[CroiDhubh]

Meh...the only good coming out of Halo is Red vs Blue

[RblDiver]

Halo is running the risk of ending up like Final Fantasy- AKA- Another dead horse for the gaming world. Seriously, there must be 20+ FF games out there (although they call the latest 13, there are many more than that).

*Cough cough* 14, actually, the MMO they screwed up and are about to release a whole new version of :P lol.

But yeah, imo Halo has an interesting storyline but the gameplay is very meh/annoying, and old-school FF games were more fun than the new ones.

[Dingo]

I did really like FF VI for the SNES. The storyline, soundtrack, art - all of it came together beautifully. I still like playing it every once in a while - it's entertaining more than a decade later. :-)

[CroiDhubh]

I did really like FF VI for the SNES. The storyline, soundtrack, art - all of it came together beautifully. I still like playing it every once in a while - it's entertaining more than a decade later. :-)
Agreed. FF7 only made sense with all the extra crap they put out to explain it. Part of it is bad translation and rushed port to America, but still. FF8 was annoying, FF9 was really good, but frustrating.

[MrPrena]

I am not a gamer. Last console I had was PS1.
I was waiting for New Xbox debut since Jan 2013, because I own shares of Advanced Micro Device (NYSE AMD). [LOL]

[Superorb]

How do you guys have time for video games? Does anyone have wives/kids/girlfriends?

[Monky]

How do you guys have time for video games? Does anyone have wives/kids/girlfriends?

Nope. Some of us are smart


Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.

[CroiDhubh]

How do you guys have time for video games? Does anyone have wives/kids/girlfriends?
Fiancee. She tries to game with me, but has more interest in watching me cause mayhem while she screams, "ONE BEHIND YOU!!!!"

[Ronin13]

How do you guys have time for video games? Does anyone have wives/kids/girlfriends?


Nope. Some of us are smart
DING DING DING! We have a winner!
http://memearchive.net/memerial.net/2458/once-upon-a-time.jpg

[Dave_L]

Why do I think of this automatically...

http://thecinephiliac.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/sp-wow-gamer.jpg

[CroiDhubh]

How does one kill...that which has no life?

[MrPrena]

I LOVE video games, but no time to play nor have $$ to buy a console/PC Software.
ME ENVY video gamers.
BUY BUY BUY! :D

[Ronin13]

Why do I think of this automatically...

http://thecinephiliac.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/sp-wow-gamer.jpg
I told Matt and Trey they weren't allowed to use my likeness! [ROFL2]

[Jer]

Enjoying playing video games doesn't necessarily equate to not having a life otherwise. I rather enjoy my life and I'm a HUGE Call of Duty series fan. For those who think you need to be with your significant other 24/7 your relationship won't last very long.

Off topic bullshit aside, this console will be amazing. Not just for game players but for entertainment as a whole. The transition from TV to music to games to web browsing and to social media was SO fast and seamless Looks like the gaming industry will once again be driving technology as a whole. People bitch about gaming but don't realize that our current technology would be at least 10 years behind if it wasn't for the gaming industry driving it. Before you try to act cool by saying that you wish technology was 10 years behind don't forget what we used to pay for inferior technology as well. I'm excited for the new console and the advancement it will usher in for future technologies.

[cofi]

i just wish it wouldnt be so damn online dependent its going to kill me out here on the plains

http://www.speedtest.net/result/2724777757.png

this is the fastest ive ever seen it :(

[RblDiver]

My understanding is the online thing is a big feature indeed, but may not be *required* per say. It sounds like it's more or less up to the individual developers whether they require it or not (so, I'm guessing Ubisoft will have online everything, even first-person-only games, as a sort of DRM scheme ><).

As to the console itself, I'm hopeful. Seems rather gimmicky, but advances in technology are always cool (see all the neat stuff people are doing with the Kinect apart from gaming).

Lack of backwards compatibility sucks :/

[KS63]

i just wish it wouldnt be so damn online dependent its going to kill me out here on the plains

http://www.speedtest.net/result/2724777757.png

this is the fastest ive ever seen it :(
At least your Ping is decent LOL

[Jer]

This is pretty damn funny:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOxdMQhDMIU#!

Talking with a few friends via IM during the reveal yesterday I said the exact same thing about the Betamax and the dog dying.

Edit: Wrong video has been fixed.

[tmleadr03]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

WTH, cant embed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

[KS63]

Meh...the only good coming out of Halo is Red vs Blue
I think the Halo franchise has been dead since Reach. Looking forward to Bungie's Destiny. If this game is every bit as good as H1-2, buh bye Halo. 343 can suck it.

[RblDiver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

Lol, truth there. I'm still looking forward to it, but that is an effective distillation of the event.

[Ronin13]

Enjoying playing video games doesn't necessarily equate to not having a life otherwise. I rather enjoy my life and I'm a HUGE Call of Duty series fan. For those who think you need to be with your significant other 24/7 your relationship won't last very long.
Even better if your S.O. is a gamer as well... [Coffee]
But thank you! I'm tired of this stereotype, especially with PC gamers (as they've, in the past, been considered more for the "serious" gamers) that we're all virgins who live in our mom's basement and couldn't get laid if we had a roll of $100 sticking out of our zipper in downtown Las Vegas.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw
BAHAHAHAHA, that was hilarious! But that new COD looks pretty sweet!

[Jer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

WTH, cant embed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

Saw it already anyway and mine is more funnier. lulz


I think the Halo franchise has been dead since CoD made it look like a cartoon that hadn't changed in years. Looking forward to Bungie's Destiny. If this game is every bit as good as H1-2, buh bye Halo. 343 can suck it.

Fixed that for you.

[Jer]

Even better if your S.O. is a gamer as well... [Coffee]
But thank you! I'm tired of this stereotype, especially with PC gamers (as they've, in the past, been considered more for the "serious" gamers) that we're all virgins who live in our mom's basement and couldn't get laid if we had a roll of $100 sticking out of our zipper in downtown Las Vegas.

BAHAHAHAHA, that was hilarious! But that new COD looks pretty sweet!

PC gamers are lifeless dorks! lulz

I can't wait for CoD Ghosts. New engine. New console. New controller w/a working D-pad. Yes please!

[blacklabel]

Xbox One go home, you're drunk.

[Dingo]

I tend to play games quite a lot in the winter months, but during the summer - I can't sit in front of a screen. Feel too much like the guy kept after school - watching his buddies play outside while he writes "I will get my priorities straight" over and over again on the blackboard. ;-) [Beer]

[MrPrena]

Hope they sell about 4 million consoles their first year.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[tmleadr03]

http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif

[ZERO THEORY]

-No backwards compatibility
-Requires you to be online to register a game just to play it (confirmed by Microsoft VP)
-Requires you to be online at least once a day (Confirmed by VP)
-Requires you to have a Kinect just to use the Xbox one
-Restricted amount of viewers able to watch videos (additional fees for additional views)
-No ability to lend or borrow games without purchasing a full registration ($60+)
-Charging full retail price for serial keys/authorization codes
-HDD is not replaceable so if it breaks you're SOL
-All games must be installed on the HDD
-Requires extra peripherals to use the TV feature


http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/9/98500/2445038-4694434071-PC_Ga.jpg

[Squeeze]

PC gamers are lifeless dorks! lulz

I can't wait for CoD Ghosts. New engine. New console. New controller w/a working D-pad. Yes please!

If those money grubbing whores don't give us dedicated servers for CoD, I'm not giving them a dime of my money...period. CoD Black Ops 2 is a great game, minus the peer-2-peer connectivity. It's all about how bad ass your internet is for on-line play. Crappy internet = crappy in-game results. Those bastiches at Treyarch are greedy. They spent money on big $$$ actors for a zombies game mode and cool "Replacers" commercials promoting the game rather than giving us dedicated servers. EA has had dedicated servers for Battlefield for a long time and I have NEVER had a problem playing Battlefield in regards to lag compensation. I think Battlefield 4 will be getting my money. Sad, considering CoD has the largest following of any damn video game I've ever seen. You could literally crap in a box, paint it green, put a CoD logo on the side of it and call it Call of Duty Doodie and people will buy it. They need to can Treyarch and Infinity Ward, give it to someone who gives 2 shits about what the gamers want and not what they THINK we want. Jackholes.

[Ronin13]

-No backwards compatibility
-Requires you to be online to register a game just to play it (confirmed by Microsoft VP)
-Requires you to be online at least once a day (Confirmed by VP)
-Requires you to have a Kinect just to use the Xbox one
-Restricted amount of viewers able to watch videos (additional fees for additional views)
-No ability to lend or borrow games without purchasing a full registration ($60+)
-Charging full retail price for serial keys/authorization codes
-HDD is not replaceable so if it breaks you're SOL
-All games must be installed on the HDD
-Requires extra peripherals to use the TV feature


http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/9/98500/2445038-4694434071-PC_Ga.jpg
THIS!
Basically the Xbox One would make GameFly become PS3/4 and Wii only... Pretty nazi of Microslavery.

[ZERO THEORY]

When there are games like Arma 3 on the way, and free mods for dirt-cheap old titles like Project Reality for BF2 or Day Z for Arma 2, console shooters just become laughable to me. And anything that's multiplatform is so ridiculously superior on PC that it ruins the console experience (BF3, for example, is literally unplayable on console for me). I ended up selling my PS3 and XBOX 360 because they had nothing to offer me. But the CoD/Halo/Gears crowd can at least make a stand for multiplayer console gaming.

Campaign/single player games on PC are where it becomes embarrassingly lopsided. Play Skyrim with some texture and skin mods, or try out Amnesia and it'll really put things in perspective.


Microsoft's gaming division isn't going to get a dime more of my money (and I won't buy any of their computing services/goods until they make another proper OS. Windows 8...what the f*ck is this?! Okay, I'm rambling), and neither are any of the studios who decide to take the CoD route and just release map packs and skins as new games for full price. It's really kind of funny watching console gaming surpass PC gaming, then immediately sh*t all over its constituency.

[Irving]

I wasn't going to buy one anyway, but still disappointing.

[Superorb]

-No backwards compatibility
-Requires you to be online to register a game just to play it (confirmed by Microsoft VP)
-Requires you to be online at least once a day (Confirmed by VP)
-Requires you to have a Kinect just to use the Xbox one
-Restricted amount of viewers able to watch videos (additional fees for additional views)
-No ability to lend or borrow games without purchasing a full registration ($60+)
-Charging full retail price for serial keys/authorization codes
-HDD is not replaceable so if it breaks you're SOL
-All games must be installed on the HDD
-Requires extra peripherals to use the TV feature




Good God, Microsoft has completed their transformation into Apple 2.0!

[Jer]

-No backwards compatibility
Who gives a shit? I would MUCH rather have a next gen system that isn't handicapped by being backwards compatible. I want all reseources and R&D on moving forward
-Requires you to be online to register a game just to play it (confirmed by Microsoft VP)
Non issue.
-Requires you to be online at least once a day (Confirmed by VP)
Yeah, I remember when Dish and DirectTV required this over a decade ago and people freaked out. Non issue now.
-Requires you to have a Kinect just to use the Xbox one
It comes with it. Non issue
-Restricted amount of viewers able to watch videos (additional fees for additional views)
Not confirmed by anyone.
-No ability to lend or borrow games without purchasing a full registration ($60+)
-Charging full retail price for serial keys/authorization codes
Good. I'm SO sick of boosters and cheaters and they all use 1 month gold accounts to make throw away accounts. This will be virtually eliminated by this move.
-HDD is not replaceable so if it breaks you're SOL
I currently own & use 4 Xboxes including one that is still from launch day and have never had a single HDD issue.
-All games must be installed on the HDD
Good. This cuts down on noise, heat and load times. This is a good thing and not a bad thing.
-Requires extra peripherals to use the TV feature
You mean like a cable subscription and a cable tuner? Duh.

Responses in quote above. Basically people are trying to make big deals out of nothing as usual. We don't even know the full details and the interwebs is running crazy with conjecture and hearsay. At launch day if there are some crazy messed up things I will not buy one. Simple as that. As of now I have heard nothing that makes me not want to buy at least one to play next gen games on.


If those money grubbing whores don't give us dedicated servers for CoD, I'm not giving them a dime of my money...period. CoD Black Ops 2 is a great game, minus the peer-2-peer connectivity. It's all about how bad ass your internet is for on-line play. Crappy internet = crappy in-game results. Those bastiches at Treyarch are greedy. They spent money on big $$$ actors for a zombies game mode and cool "Replacers" commercials promoting the game rather than giving us dedicated servers. EA has had dedicated servers for Battlefield for a long time and I have NEVER had a problem playing Battlefield in regards to lag compensation. I think Battlefield 4 will be getting my money. Sad, considering CoD has the largest following of any damn video game I've ever seen. You could literally crap in a box, paint it green, put a CoD logo on the side of it and call it Call of Duty Doodie and people will buy it. They need to can Treyarch and Infinity Ward, give it to someone who gives 2 shits about what the gamers want and not what they THINK we want. Jackholes.

Meh, dedicated servers aren't all they're cracked up to be. There are downsides to them as well. Your statement about bad ass online connection couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, with 'lag compensation' you get unfair advantages for having a shitty connection and the new way to cheat is to run torrents or otherwise limit your bandwidth to get lag compensation on your side. Host advantage is a thing of the past and being host actually hurts you. Crappy internet = better lag compensation than those with high-end connections. This is quite frustrating to those who pay more for higher bandwidth when someone stealing McDonald's WiFi has a 'better' connection. Search YouTube, plenty of video about this and it's the single biggest problem with this game. They next thing is matchmaking, host selection and host migration. If they're so sure of their lag compensation feature they need to select host based on how many times the person has quit out of games. I play with a pretty solid squad and rather than give hose to the best connection like they used to they lean on lag compensation and give host to the shitty players. When our team starts winning good players start quitting out one by one so we end up waiting about 3-4 times every stinking game for host migrations until one of us finally gets it so as they back out the game continues. A large portion of the time the game drops entirely which is frustrating as all get out. Also, being throw into a game where you have zero possible chance of winning (mathematically impossible) when you're on a win streak is idiotic and should never happen. Also easily fixed. Treyarch sucks giant donkey balls for countless reasons but giving an advantage to those who play a lot or have a good connection isn't one of them. In fact, the more you play the more you realize how much Treyarch actually favors the new or casual player with a shitty barely-there connection.

[Bitter Clinger]

THIS!
Basically the Xbox One would make GameFly become PS3/4 and Wii only... Pretty nazi of Microslavery.

This, depending on what is revealed at E3......I'll be buying a PS4, if that is disappointing, well....can anyone here help me build a gaming PC for my 52' plasma?

As it stands now I wont buy a xbox one. Although I do like flailing my arms wildly about and screaming at my TV to do what i can alredy do with a remote or controller.

[Jer]

This, depending on what is revealed at E3......I'll be buying a PS4, if that is disappointing, well....can anyone here help me build a gaming PC for my 52' plasma?

As it stands now I wont buy a xbox one. Although I do like flailing my arms wildly about and screaming at my TV to do what i can alredy do with a remote or controller.

You'll still be able to use your remote control and as cool as the voice activation seems to be I don't see myself using it all that much as I use Harmony remotes for such things.

You have a 52' plasma!

[Bitter Clinger]

Ah its 50 something I'll need to measure it but it cost me only $800 bucks three years ago on black friday. I know I can use my remote but it all seems kinect this and grab and stretch/voice control that. I just want good games.

[Bitter Clinger]

So say i come up with a spare $800 bucks. How good of a gaming PC can I build/buy? It HAS to hook up to my TV. And use a console style controller.

[cofi]

im annoyed i live in a very rural area sometimes after a storm i wont have internet for over 24 hours while there putting poles back up and stuff...... im heavily leaning towards a ps4 at this point even though i am a rabid xbox fanboy :(

[Ronin13]

-No ability to lend or borrow games without purchasing a full registration ($60+)
-Charging full retail price for serial keys/authorization codes
Good. I'm SO sick of boosters and cheaters and they all use 1 month gold accounts to make throw away accounts. This will be virtually eliminated by this move.
You don't play used games or do the gamefly/redbox rental deal? You're in the minority. Gamestop will probably lose out a lot from this deal as well.

[ZERO THEORY]

So Jer, if I'm understanding you correctly, you are supportive of hardware and firmware that eliminates you from using your system in the event your internet goes out, or borrowing a game like The Last of Us or L.A. Noire from your buddy if you want a quiet weekend in? You also like the idea that if you decide to give a new FPS a try, you'll have to shell out $60+ non-refundable, even if it's a shambles. You don't want the ability to play any of the EXCELLENT games from the last generation, offline or on, and you don't have any problem with the advent of losing your hundreds of dollars worth of media during a power surge/freeze during loading/etc. because it hasn't happened before; therefore it can't and never will happen (so who needs the ability to back stuff up?)


Well, each to their own, I suppose.

[RblDiver]

I think Tim (link below) provides some good points on the whole "used" part of it. Yeah I can see lending games as potentially troubling, but since I don't really have any friends to borrow from, wouldn't be an issue for me.

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20130522 the second thread (the first is also interesting summary of the event).

[Jer]

I don't buy used games. I've never been into a GameStop. I don't care to be honest. What I do care about is my gaming experience and those who make temporary accounts to cheat and boost ruin the game for me and others who do care. This move isn't ideal I agree but at least M$ is doing something about it. I have a hard time believing that someone is willing to pay $60 for a game, $20 for a 3 month Gold account all to boost their actual account. As it is now they get a 1 month promotional code from someone (they only apply to new accounts so most throw them away) and then create a throw away account in a few minutes and use it to boost their other account using another friend. Easy to do now because you're out what... the remainder of your Gold account which could amount to $5-$10 in most cases? Now if the price to cheat is approaching $100 people will think twice. I like this. If it makes my gaming experience better... I like this. I can't stand those who cheat in video games.

BTW, I just realized that my post on page 1 was the wrong video and just repeated the video someone else posted earlier. I edited that post and here's the relevant video I meant to post:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOxdMQhDMIU#!

[Ronin13]

Is cheating really that bad that something drastic needs to be done about it? I've run into boosters in COD before, but it's not like a regular occurrence. I guess, Jer, you're one of the few that doesn't shop Gamestop and doesn't rent games... but I liken this idea to Fudds- you don't care what they do because you don't buy used games/rent, but what about those that do, they're getting screwed in this deal... Think about it.

[Jer]

Is cheating really that bad that something drastic needs to be done about it? I've run into boosters in COD before, but it's not like a regular occurrence. I guess, Jer, you're one of the few that doesn't shop Gamestop and doesn't rent games... but I liken this idea to Fudds- you don't care what they do because you don't buy used games/rent, but what about those that do, they're getting screwed in this deal... Think about it.

I have thought about it & cheating affects ME directly so that's not even close to the same thing. I actually try to keep high stats so getting screwed in a game even if it's not every other game affects my personal enjoyment of the video game. I wasn't aware your idea of fun trumped my idea of fun. I'll take that into consideration next time.

[KestrelBike]

When there are games like Arma 3 on the way, and free mods for dirt-cheap old titles like Project Reality for BF2 or Day Z for Arma 2, console shooters just become laughable to me. And anything that's multiplatform is so ridiculously superior on PC that it ruins the console experience (BF3, for example, is literally unplayable on console for me). I ended up selling my PS3 and XBOX 360 because they had nothing to offer me. But the CoD/Halo/Gears crowd can at least make a stand for multiplayer console gaming.

Campaign/single player games on PC are where it becomes embarrassingly lopsided. Play Skyrim with some texture and skin mods, or try out Amnesia and it'll really put things in perspective.


Microsoft's gaming division isn't going to get a dime more of my money (and I won't buy any of their computing services/goods until they make another proper OS. Windows 8...what the f*ck is this?! Okay, I'm rambling), and neither are any of the studios who decide to take the CoD route and just release map packs and skins as new games for full price. It's really kind of funny watching console gaming surpass PC gaming, then immediately sh*t all over its constituency.

OpFlash and Arma were cool games, but they were so demanding of hardware and had such a high learning curve that only hardcore niche players would play it after ONE week, and they formed obsessed clubs that required moms-basement level of commitment that all but guaranteed player levels game wide of less than 100 people.

[Chad4000]

coming in at the end here, but when I was playing a lot of mw2, i thought sometimes I would run into somebody cheating, but could never really tell 100%....

how do you actually see it during game play? aside form the obvious stuff like dude gets 30 kills on one player or something...

[Bitter Clinger]

coming in at the end here, but when I was playing a lot of mw2, i thought sometimes I would run into somebody cheating, but could never really tell 100%....

how do you actually see it during game play? aside form tch or hackthe obvious stuff like dude gets 30 kills on one player or something...
30 and 15 is not uncommon for me. And I'm an average player. You will see cheating with glitches and hacks, if you get killed by a tomahawk through the wall at 50 paces, its a glitch or hack. I have also followed boosters into other games and just screw up thier mojo. I'm an honest player, I earned my gamerscore, never glitched, boosted or otherwise cheated. So about that gaming PC.......?

[Squeeze]

Responses in quote above. Basically people are trying to make big deals out of nothing as usual. We don't even know the full details and the interwebs is running crazy with conjecture and hearsay. At launch day if there are some crazy messed up things I will not buy one. Simple as that. As of now I have heard nothing that makes me not want to buy at least one to play next gen games on.



Meh, dedicated servers aren't all they're cracked up to be. There are downsides to them as well. Your statement about bad ass online connection couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, with 'lag compensation' you get unfair advantages for having a shitty connection and the new way to cheat is to run torrents or otherwise limit your bandwidth to get lag compensation on your side. Host advantage is a thing of the past and being host actually hurts you. Crappy internet = better lag compensation than those with high-end connections. This is quite frustrating to those who pay more for higher bandwidth when someone stealing McDonald's WiFi has a 'better' connection. Search YouTube, plenty of video about this and it's the single biggest problem with this game. They next thing is matchmaking, host selection and host migration. If they're so sure of their lag compensation feature they need to select host based on how many times the person has quit out of games. I play with a pretty solid squad and rather than give hose to the best connection like they used to they lean on lag compensation and give host to the shitty players. When our team starts winning good players start quitting out one by one so we end up waiting about 3-4 times every stinking game for host migrations until one of us finally gets it so as they back out the game continues. A large portion of the time the game drops entirely which is frustrating as all get out. Also, being throw into a game where you have zero possible chance of winning (mathematically impossible) when you're on a win streak is idiotic and should never happen. Also easily fixed. Treyarch sucks giant donkey balls for countless reasons but giving an advantage to those who play a lot or have a good connection isn't one of them. In fact, the more you play the more you realize how much Treyarch actually favors the new or casual player with a shitty barely-there connection.

I disagree. I've played on teams that had host, did not experience lag and we dominated. To the point you mentioned - the other team quit altogether. I play BF 3 on EA's dedicated servers - NO lag issues and the game runs smooth as silk. My internet is 1 rung above crap and every f**king time I am on the opposite team (who doesn't have host), I get destroyed. Treyarch could clean this up and make the game more enjoyable but they refuse to believe there is a problem. Again, the new CoD won't be getting my $$$ unless they fix this crap. The game is nothing more than an arcade shooter. Hopefully they're done re-inventing the wheel and give us something relatively new.

[Jer]

I disagree. I've played on teams that had host, did not experience lag and we dominated. To the point you mentioned - the other team quit altogether. I play BF 3 on EA's dedicated servers - NO lag issues and the game runs smooth as silk. My internet is 1 rung above crap and every f**king time I am on the opposite team (who doesn't have host), I get destroyed. Treyarch could clean this up and make the game more enjoyable but they refuse to believe there is a problem. Again, the new CoD won't be getting my $$$ unless they fix this crap. The game is nothing more than an arcade shooter. Hopefully they're done re-inventing the wheel and give us something relatively new.

Don't take my word for it, do some searching online and you will see plenty of discussion and video backing me up from those with the technical data and broken down code to back up what I've experienced in my (way too much) playing of this game.

[cofi]

The game is nothing more than an arcade shooter. Hopefully they're done re-inventing the wheel and give us something relatively new.
I was a huge fan of CoD bought mw 3 plays for about 2 weeks and hated it I hated the 13year olds screaming on the mic hated the campers hated the overly tight maps

Bought bf 3 and haven't looked back

[ZERO THEORY]

I was a huge fan of CoD bought mw 3 plays for about 2 weeks and hated it I hated the 13year olds screaming on the mic hated the campers hated the overly tight maps

Bought bf 3 and haven't looked back

I cashed out years ago. Once MW2 came out and I was getting schwacked by 19th century sawed-off scatterguns from 200 meters and dying from acute blood loss after a knife slashed my calf, I decided it was time to call it quits.