View Full Version : July 1st must have gun
Ok, we all know the days are drawing neigh for these July 1st laws. We have all been trying to get under the wire for what we want in perpetuity. What is your choice?
Rules:
Should take 16+ magazine capacity (Like a FiveSeven pistol)
Pistol/Rifle... if it shoots lead it does not matter.
The standard AK, AR15, Glock 17 are not what I am thinking here.. More in the non-standard..Styer Aug... Not Pmag vain. Maybe those that should have extended mags (Thinking Kriss Vector that comes with the 13rd mag but should have at least a few of the 25+ mags)
Also any gun that you would really rather they did not know about (e.g. don't want to have to register) count. (Yes this would be all of them but none of us have that much money!)
Basically if any of the new laws will have you saying "I regret I didn't get....." It counts.
Lets have some fun with this.
I want my $1400 FS2000 back.
Aloha_Shooter
05-21-2013, 23:34
Already got the IWI Tavor so I'm thinking the Larue Tactical 18" PredatOBR in 7.62 NATO.
Every gun I have as yet to purchase.
Mark 19 or a Ma Deuce.
Belt feds are affected by that limit on 'magazine' size as well.
islandermyk
05-22-2013, 00:06
GAP-10 with .308 and .260 22" barrel uppers
beast556
05-22-2013, 00:11
I would really like to get an M&P 9mm and a new AK but that isint going to happen unless I win the lotto.
DingleBerns
05-22-2013, 00:57
Short answer: AK47, S&W 15-22, AR10...
However I won't buy before July 1. I'm stocking up on mags now for guns I want later in prep for the crazy prices to go down (hopefully) after July 1. My hope is that price and demand will go down after July 1 because people won't have mags and why buy a gun without extra mags and just a 10 rd capacity mag.
July 1st makes absolutely no difference to me.
Gun prices will hopefully come down, and I can get all the mags I need out of state.
However, some day, I would like to have a Five Seven, a Scar 17S, and an R4.
Robby30-06
05-22-2013, 02:01
50 BMG
For the most part I have wanted to match the calibur for the rifle and the pistol...so....
Fiveseven and PS90
Baby Eagle and HK94
But I start running into trouble when I look to the AR, AUG, AK...sure there are "pistols" but they really arn't pistols. They are stockless short rifles. Not something easily concealable or that you could easily carry on your hip.
Oh, and no one has mentioned shotguns...something like the Saiga should be on everyones list.
battle_sight_zero
05-22-2013, 05:33
For the most part I have wanted to match the calibur for the rifle and the pistol...so....
Fiveseven and PS90
Baby Eagle and HK94
But I start running into trouble when I look to the AR, AUG, AK...sure there are "pistols" but they really arn't pistols. They are stockless short rifles. Not something easily concealable or that you could easily carry on your hip.
Oh, and no one has mentioned shotguns...something like the Saiga should be on everyones list.
Good point, the word I got from the local shop is if the shotgun tube or mag goes beyond 10 rounds it is illegal. I do have the Saiga covered but would like a UTS 15 or KSG just because.
Rucker61
05-22-2013, 06:22
Mag extension for an FN for future 3 gun and mags for a CZ SP-01
GAP-10 with .308 and .260 22" barrel uppers
well lucky you!
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/104237-WTS-G-A-Precision-GAP-10-308
i just want a mac 10 and an assload of mags
I thank my self for my decision every time I cross that state line, that I took a job that puts me into the unoccupied territory of new mexico, and all the guys I shoot with back here do as well, and I'll end it there.
the closer it gets to july 1 the better i feel about the move . here in nebraska we can have all the high cap mags we want [Coffee]
Mine was a Sig P226 TacOPS, they ship with 4 20 round mags. I should have it tonight.
Jeffrey Lebowski
05-22-2013, 07:54
However, some day, I would like to have a Scar 17S.
I'd love one of these myself, but I don't ever see it happening. :(
mikedubs
05-22-2013, 07:58
M1A with at least a dozen 20 rounders...but that requires money
Great-Kazoo
05-22-2013, 08:12
Good point, the word I got from the local shop is if the shotgun tube or mag goes beyond 10 rounds it is illegal. I do have the Saiga covered but would like a UTS 15 or KSG just because.
Not correct..IIRC (w/out searching) it's 28" tube. So running the short 12ga rds you can get 14-15 in there.
Zundfolge
05-22-2013, 08:42
Can't afford one so I won't get one, but I would really like a KSG. I would argue that it shouldn't be banned because it has TWO magazines, not one but that probably won't matter.
Good point, the word I got from the local shop is if the shotgun tube or mag goes beyond 10 rounds it is illegal. I do have the Saiga covered but would like a UTS 15 or KSG just because.
Ya, the KSG can take up to 25rds with 1.5". Very Nice. Neither tube it over 28" and since they have to selected that is like a mag change. Good to go there.
Zundfolge
05-22-2013, 08:52
Ya, the KSG can take up to 25rds with 1.5". Very Nice. Neither tube it over 28" and since they have to selected that is like a mag change. Good to go there.
Are we sure the KSG is GTG? Its my understanding that it won't be allowed since they're adding the two magazines together. If flipping a switch counts as a mag change then the X-Rail (http://www.xrailbyrci.com/) should also be legal too.
Mark me down in the Tavor category... Just got the new American Rifleman and it's on the cover... why do you tempt me so!? With my dog's health problems and two vet visits ($400) I can't afford to order one just yet.
Great-Kazoo
05-22-2013, 09:35
Are we sure the KSG is GTG? Its my understanding that it won't be allowed since they're adding the two magazines together. If flipping a switch counts as a mag change then the X-Rail (http://www.xrailbyrci.com/) should also be legal too.
The KSG HAS TUBES, NOT Magazines!
Zundfolge
05-22-2013, 09:41
The KSG HAS TUBES, NOT Magazines!
Yes and the new law regulates the length of tube magazines on pump shotguns.
trlcavscout
05-22-2013, 09:42
I just want another Glock 30
Are we sure the KSG is GTG? Its my understanding that it won't be allowed since they're adding the two magazines together. If flipping a switch counts as a mag change then the X-Rail (http://www.xrailbyrci.com/) should also be legal too.
The attorneys I have spoken with believe it will be interpreted as 28" of shells "TOTAL" in fixed tubular magazines for shotguns. Mag fed shotguns don't get the 28", only 8 rounds in the magazine. But, since the actual language for the box magazines is "combined with a fixed magazine" that is going to have to be interpreted since it makes no sense and in most shotguns means no restriction on capacity for box fed shotguns. We know that was not their intent, but yes they are that stupid.
islandermyk
05-22-2013, 10:11
well lucky you!
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/104237-WTS-G-A-Precision-GAP-10-308
i just want a mac 10 and an assload of mags
HAhahaha! But I want one that comes with a 260 upper too... and both with 22 inch barrels (I'm being a b*tch [LOL])
Good call though! To bad I could only dream... for now..... [Beer]
islandermyk
05-22-2013, 10:14
You know....
I'd like an SBR'd Saiga 12 with a side folding stock.... Oohhh yea.... with'em "clips" the length of my arms [ROFL1]
My biggest effort has been to make private purchases prior to July 1. That's the biggest change coming on July 1.
Rucker61
05-22-2013, 10:15
50 BMG
http://www.armslist.com/posts/1385277/hattiesburg-mississippi-rifles-for-sale--m2hb--50-ma-duece-browning-semi-auto
hghclsswhitetrsh
05-22-2013, 10:26
Ak47, g19, and s&w 9mm. Damnit.
kidicarus13
05-22-2013, 10:36
Are we sure the KSG is GTG? Its my understanding that it won't be allowed since they're adding the two magazines together. If flipping a switch counts as a mag change then the X-Rail (http://www.xrailbyrci.com/) should also be legal too.
Buy a KSG now and it won't be an issue come July 1st.
July 1st makes absolutely no difference to me.
/thread
Yes and the new law regulates the length of tube magazines on pump shotguns.
Agreed but the KSG is one of the guns that skirts this. No tube is longer than 28" and there is nothing saying they have to be added together. (Not saying tubes are mags but) It would be like having an AR15 that could hold two Pmags at the same time with a selector switch between them. That is part of what makes the KSG so cool.
Kid is also correct in that if you have it before the first this is all academic ;) which fits wonderfully with the thread topic.
http://www.armslist.com/posts/1385277/hattiesburg-mississippi-rifles-for-sale--m2hb--50-ma-duece-browning-semi-auto
There were 2 of them sitting on the floor at Machine Gun Tours when I was in there about a week and a half ago. About 12 grand.
Agreed but the KSG is one of the guns that skirts this. No tube is longer than 28" and there is nothing saying they have to be added together. (Not saying tubes are mags but) It would be like having an AR15 that could hold two Pmags at the same time with a selector switch between them. That is part of what makes the KSG so cool.
Kid is also correct in that if you have it before the first this is all academic ;) which fits wonderfully with the thread topic.
That bold word above is the key and is the basis of legal wrangling. Sure it doesn't HAVE to be added but it CAN and that is the key. Just like a 33rd Glock mag doesn't HAVE to be loaded to 33rds but it can. Just because you have 15rds or less in it doesn't suddenly make it legal. Considering how easily the KSG can be switched between tubes versus how long it takes to stuff shells back into a single tube to equal the same round count (since reload time to subdue the assailant appears to be all these idiots are concerned with) I have a feeling this will not make the cut.
That bold word above is the key and is the basis of legal wrangling. Sure it doesn't HAVE to be added but it CAN and that is the key. Just like a 33rd Glock mag doesn't HAVE to be loaded to 33rds but it can. Just because you have 15rds or less in it doesn't suddenly make it legal. Considering how easily the KSG can be switched between tubes versus how long it takes to stuff shells back into a single tube to equal the same round count (since reload time to subdue the assailant appears to be all these idiots are concerned with) I have a feeling this will not make the cut.
Showing another big problem with these laws. I think we are still ok but niether of us will know until this goes to court. To be clear though this what was signed into law:
(II) A FIXED, TUBULAR SHOTGUN MAGAZINE THAT HOLDS MORE THAN TWENTY-EIGHT INCHES OF SHOTGUN SHELLS, INCLUDING ANY EXTENSION DEVICE THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE MAGAZINE AND HOLDS ADDITIONAL SHOTGUN SHELLS; OR
(III) A NONTUBULAR, DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, BOX, DRUM, FEED STRIP, OR SIMILAR DEVICE THAT IS CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING MORE THAN EIGHT SHOTGUN SHELLS WHEN COMBINED WITH A FIXED MAGAZINE.
the KSG has neither a 28" tube, any extension attached to the tube or anything else that is capable of handling more than 8 shotgun shells of 3.5" length. That last part would require going back to the hearing for the 3.5" length but I was there and remember that being where the 28" comes from.
We "should" be good to go;) but only the courts will know for sure.. Shame we even have to have this discussion.
BTW: for all the stupidity they did not got the NY route and limit the number of bullets on the potential for what can be held. In NY you can only have 10rd mags and then only loaded to 7rds. Here we are only limited to 15rd mags but no limit on how much we put in them.
BUT, you are incorrect. 28" tube is not the criteria...it is "holds more than 28 inches". A 30" tube, with spring and follower is right on the edge. 29.5" tube, with follower and spring won't take more than 28" of shells. It is the summed length of the shells!
Scar 17 with suppressor or just about any gun that was ment to hold more than 10 rd.
Not a 'must have' but I've been looking to fill out my 9mm Grock collection (26, 19, 17, 34, 17L). All I'm lacking at this point is the 19.
Galaxy Note II + Tapatalk 2
It's like collecting card for you? Nice.
brokenscout
05-22-2013, 15:20
I like your style,lol
Mark 19 or a Ma Deuce.
Belt feds are affected by that limit on 'magazine' size as well.
I have all my "must haves", and am working on one more "want to have". :-)
Robby30-06
05-22-2013, 17:49
http://www.armslist.com/posts/1385277/hattiesburg-mississippi-rifles-for-sale--m2hb--50-ma-duece-browning-semi-auto
Yes! That would do quite nicely to keep the mule deer out of my garden......thanks.
Slapps74
05-22-2013, 18:09
Kriss Vector and a M-1216 shotgun.
buckshotbarlow
05-22-2013, 18:29
the one gun i need, and will never be able to afford:
http://www.fulton-armory.com/images/products/detail/FAM14PeerlessNMRifle5.jpg
This is the current “state-of-the-art”. Fulton Armory threaded M14 rear lug receiver glass bedded to a Heavy Contour Walnut stock for rigidity and stability, the finest performance parts on the planet, every component hand selected, flawless glass bedding, and guaranteed under 1 MOA. After over 25 years of experience, this is the most accurate M14 we know how to build. A McMillan Fiberglass Stock is offered as option.
Fully DCM/CMP Service Rifle Match legal
Kriss Vector and a M-1216 shotgun.
Someone has been playing Call of Duty Black Ops II. [ROFL2]
You don't have to buy a single gun, just buy the magazines.. I have bought magazines for up to 10 potential future candidates.
UrbanWolf
05-24-2013, 23:11
AK-74M, and a ton of 40 rds mags.
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/5445/big3268lc7ic5.jpg
July 1st makes absolutely no difference to me.
Gun prices will hopefully come down, and I can get all the mags I need out of state.
...
Yep.
However, to simplify life, I did add a VersaMax Tactical I'd been putting off for HD/maybe going 3-gunning and another M&P 9 because buying another pistol was more value-added than trying to buy spare M&P mags at this point. I also got a great deal on an M&P 10 that I "needed" to run the MAGPUL Airlift 7.62 mags... Still waiting on the optic/stock and I MAGPUL'ed the rifle in tribute.
Hope the libtards need counseling and cower in fear due to 'evil' plastic and metal tools... It' s for the children! [Mad]
Cylinder Head
05-24-2013, 23:28
Bought a bunch of Scar-17 mags today even though I don't have one (check buyer intel if you're looking), because that is the weapon that is currently missing from my life.
Great-Kazoo
05-24-2013, 23:31
AK-74M, and a ton of 40 rds mags.
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/5445/big3268lc7ic5.jpg
You better include 5K minimum of ammo or come 2014 you'll have an expensive boat anchor. What the .gov has not banned by law they will ban with import restrictions.
UrbanWolf
05-24-2013, 23:33
You better include 5K minimum of ammo or come 2014 you'll have an expensive boat anchor. What the .gov has not banned by law they will ban with import restrictions.
I'll reload my own ammo Metro 2033 style then.
I would really like to get an M&P 9mm and a new AK but that isint going to happen unless I win the lotto.
Yeah, I had an M&P 9mm on order, only to be told it wont be in by July 1. [gohome]
I could probably find one for a hyped up price, but figure I'll just pick up an H&K USP 9mm full-size instead (only 15 round magazines).
Great-Kazoo
05-24-2013, 23:43
Yeah, I had an M&P 9mm on order, only to be told it wont be in by July 1. [gohome]
I could probably find one for a hyped up price, but figure I'll just pick up an H&K USP 9mm full-size instead (only 15 round magazines).
So what regarding a new gun ? Buy mags now then when the gun does come in you'll have mags and hopefully reasonably priced ammo, if you don't reload. The H&K is a nice gun but the mags are unreasonably priced, upcoming ban or not
CO-SpAr72
05-25-2013, 00:13
XDM 4.5" 9mm, m&p 9mm, sbr mp5 with can
Great-Kazoo
05-25-2013, 06:45
Decided we don't need anything, off to the GS to see what i can dump .
What the one gun you wish could buy or want to buy before these stupid new gun laws start?
Personally I would like to pick up a Glock 19 with as many mags for it as possible, but no money so I will just have to wait.
Hope the lawsuits work against these laws, but how knows... There are more liberal idiots in this state than we probably know and with licksthepooper in office I am sure things will just get more difficult for us.
So what the one gun you want before July 1 2013?
Guns are bad.. Glad I don't have any of those murderous inanimate objects. I fear they'll just randomly shoot people.. Just like my dog mauls everyone he meets. Damn guns. Damn pit bulls.
Glock 17.... With as many 17 rnd mags. Picked up a new one today for $525. :)
Next would prob be a Scar 17, but I'm too broke to afford one now
CO-SpAr72
06-01-2013, 22:19
XDM bitone 4.5 in 9mm with many, MANY 19 round mags
TEAMRICO
06-01-2013, 23:00
AR....check!
Oops damned search function on my unsmart phone. Sorry guys.
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