Tom Tancredo to Run for Colorado Governor

[roberth]

Game on.

Let's see what limp wristed pansy the (R) can vomit out to run against Tom in the primary.

If Tom wins watch the illegal alien population fall off by at least half.

Dunlap will be dead in a week.

[Singlestack]

Just heard that - Tancredo on Peter Boyles show on 630 AM. He said that his decision was finalized about 8 PM last night after Hickenpooper made his Dunlap decision.

[spleify]

Yep and he is already knockin Lickenpoopers dick in the dirt about "gun control"

He's got my vote

[MarkCO]

Awesome! Actually, I think the Hick is not planning on running in favor of a Federal run.

[RCCrawler]

Let's hope Tancredo gets the republican nod and doesn't screw things up again splitting the vote by running as a 3rd party.

[buckshotbarlow]

YEP, I'M STOKED! WHERE'S THE PORN MUSIC???

[BPTactical]

....Tancredo is officially in the hunt for Dickinpoopers job.
Evaluate and Discuss

[newracer]

officially a repost

[thedave1164]

I like Tom :)

[ChuckNorris]

Go Tom!
We need someone in there with some stones!

[Singlestack]

Tancredo said he will be seeking the Republican nomination. Hoping our stupid state party doesn't put up "highly qualified" candidates like Dan Maes again...

[roberth]

Let's hope Tancredo gets the republican nod and doesn't screw things up again splitting the vote by running as a 3rd party.

Tom said he would run as an (R). I'll still support Tom if he loses the primary and decides to run (I) unless the (R) can find someone with Tom's conservative credentials who can beat Tom in the primary.

The (D) conjured up nearly $500K for the (R) candidate (Dan Maes) last time so if anyone voted for that lying shit Maes you voted for the (D).

[kidicarus13]

I like what Tom stands for and I'll vote for him.

[buckshotbarlow]

we should put out pmags with Tancredo for Gov...it might do better than my pumpkin...

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[CO Hugh]

Tom is better than Hick, but probably best to wait until primary season really starts and everyone has announced. Honestly i think tom should probably stay out of the race, he may hurt the party more as he is not polished and goes on the Boyles show and makes statements that may hurt the republicans or him later.

[Jesus-With-A-.45]

Tom is better than Hick, but probably best to wait until primary season really starts and everyone has announced. Honestly i think tom should probably stay out of the race, he may hurt the party more as he is not polished and goes on the Boyles show and makes statements that may hurt the republicans or him later.

By "not polished" do you mean he's honest, because god knows we can't have that shit in our elected officials..........

Our do you believe he could only win if he plays the game like everyone else?

[milwaukeeshaker]

Do you really think with our state currently being officially Democrap that Tancredo stands a snowballs chance in hell? C'mon get real, wake up and stop dreaming. Face the facts and stop stroking yourself.

[Circuits]

Republican party hasn't won a statewide election in over a decade (Owens and Allard in 2002). I like Tancredo, and voted for him in 2010, and will probably vote for him in 2014, if I'm still here, but I don't think the state can be turned from its blue ways now.

[bellavite1]

HELL YEAH TANCREDO FOR GOVERNOR!
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[Great-Kazoo]

Do you really think with our state currently being officially Democrap that Tancredo stands a snowballs chance in hell? C'mon get real, wake up and stop dreaming. Face the facts and stop stroking yourself.

Ok now that i have full use of my hands. He's the most [ to date] viable candidate we have. Not one of those, fluff deep pockets, money guys like Coors or other useless "name" the R's have run before. Had the R's went with Tom instead of that limp dick Maes an R would have been the Gov.

Tom is not afraid to call a spade a spade, or an ILLEGAL AN ILLEGAL That's what we like about him.

He is also not one to "retract" any remarks when called a Racist. So you face the "Facts" he's electable. Of course i'm sure by your response, you have someone else in mind to run for office?

[Circuits]

Had the R's went with Tom instead of that limp dick Maes an R would have been the Gov.

Maes and Tancredo together (47.56%) still didn't get enough votes to defeat Dickinpooper (51.01%). Maybe a more unified front would have helped shift voter turnout enough, though, so who knows?

[Great-Kazoo]

Maes and Tancredo together (47.56%) still didn't get enough votes to defeat Dickinpooper (51.01%). Maybe a more unified front would have helped shift voter turnout enough, though, so who knows?

The R's were bellowing Party trumps person, especially with Maes. I believe some just had a mad on for Tancredo as he was pushing buttons asking the R's to take a stand on Immigration.

How many stayed home?
Between the Hard Core conservative no shows, since Romney wasn't "Conservative enough" And the 3rd party vote that 4% made a lot of difference.

The other item will be for any R to shut up about abortion and gays. Your personal beliefs great, just do a hick and wait till elected to "stand on principle".

[Shiro]

Well poof, he's got my vote. "In March, Hickenlooper told Denver's 9NEWS that he didn't think his gun-control efforts would jeopardize his re-election hopes." Far as I'm concerned, that's is exactly what will take him down

[HoneyBadger]

HELL YEAH TANCREDO FOR GOVERNOR!
[OLA][OLA]

my thoughts exactly. [Coffee]

[USAFGopherMike]

Getting conservatives to the polls will be the key, that means organizing and collectively getting voters to the polls. You better believe the libtards will.

[HoneyBadger]

The R's were bellowing Party trumps person, especially with Maes. I believe some just had a mad on for Tancredo as he was pushing buttons asking the R's to take a stand on Immigration.

How many stayed home?
Between the Hard Core conservative no shows, since Romney wasn't "Conservative enough" And the 3rd party vote that 4% made a lot of difference.

The other item will be for any R to shut up about abortion and gays. Your personal beliefs great, just do a hick and wait till elected to "stand on principle".


Well put, Jim.

[HoneyBadger]

By "not polished" do you mean he's honest, because god knows we can't have that shit in our elected officials..........

Our do you believe he could only win if he plays the game like everyone else?

Honest politician? LOL. In any case, I'll consider voting for him again if he is on the ballot.

[Goodburbon]

The R's were bellowing Party trumps person, especially with Maes. I believe some just had a mad on for Tancredo as he was pushing buttons asking the R's to take a stand on Immigration.

How many stayed home?
Between the Hard Core conservative no shows, since Romney wasn't "Conservative enough" And the 3rd party vote that 4% made a lot of difference.

The other item will be for any R to shut up about abortion and gays. Your personal beliefs great, just do a hick and wait till elected to "stand on principle".


Well put. we shall see if the republicans have learned a lesson.


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[milwaukeeshaker]

Ok now that i have full use of my hands. He's the most [ to date] viable candidate we have. Not one of those, fluff deep pockets, money guys like Coors or other useless "name" the R's have run before. Had the R's went with Tom instead of that limp dick Maes an R would have been the Gov.

Tom is not afraid to call a spade a spade, or an ILLEGAL AN ILLEGAL That's what we like about him.

He is also not one to "retract" any remarks when called a Racist. So you face the "Facts" he's electable. Of course i'm sure by your response, you have someone else in mind to run for office?

No I have no one else in mind. I also like Tancredo. I voted for him and would do so again, but c'mon, face facts, here in Democrap Kolorado we are just bullsh---ing ourselves if we think we stand any chance of any true conservative, or even a right leaning candidate winning any important election. It's like believing in unicorns.

[USAFGopherMike]

Unicorns with ARs?

[Great-Kazoo]

No I have no one else in mind. I also like Tancredo. I voted for him and would do so again, but c'mon, face facts, here in Democrap Kolorado we are just bullsh---ing ourselves if we think we stand any chance of any true conservative, or even a right leaning candidate winning any important election. It's like believing in unicorns.

Defeatist attitudes cost more than elections. Sell your guns and stay home 11/14. And make sure them unicorns are fed.

[HoneyBadger]

No I have no one else in mind. I also like Tancredo. I voted for him and would do so again, but c'mon, face facts, here in Democrap Kolorado we are just bullsh---ing ourselves if we think we stand any chance of any true conservative, or even a right leaning candidate winning any important election. It's like believing in unicorns.
I believe in winning and you are holding us back.

[HoneyBadger]

Defeatist attitudes cost more than elections. Sell your guns and stay home 11/14. And make sure them unicorns are fed.
Again, well put. [Beer]

[sniper7]

Hopefully the republicans rally behind him in favor of doing the smart thing

[milwaukeeshaker]

Defeatist attitudes cost more than elections. Sell your guns and stay home 11/14. And make sure them unicorns are fed.
Fantasy is fantasy. Reality is reality. Lying to yourself is self destructive. Yeah I'd like to believe in the fantasy of the Repubs ever doing anything in this state to bring us back to the constitution and freedoms we are supposed to have too, but just look at the history. Gotta forget about Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy sometime. This is now a Democrat run state, get used to it and stop beating your head against the concrete.

[Great-Kazoo]

Fantasy is fantasy. Reality is reality. Lying to yourself is self destructive. Yeah I'd like to believe in the fantasy of the Repubs ever doing anything in this state to bring us back to the constitution and freedoms we are supposed to have too, but just look at the history. Gotta forget about Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy sometime. This is now a Democrat run state, get used to it and stop beating your head against the concrete.

Sounds like another O voter with regret. That attitude, once again is why the CO state house is Blue and not red. Come 14 you rub that alladins lamp, while i'm helping Tom get votes.

[hurley842002]

Fantasy is fantasy. Reality is reality. Lying to yourself is self destructive. Yeah I'd like to believe in the fantasy of the Repubs ever doing anything in this state to bring us back to the constitution and freedoms we are supposed to have too, but just look at the history. Gotta forget about Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy sometime. This is now a Democrat run state, get used to it and stop beating your head against the concrete.

Full of fail!

[milwaukeeshaker]

No I did not vote for FN Obama! Yes us liberty lovers are going to fail, we have gone too far left. l I will vote for Tancredo, but it won't happen. You can't swim upstream.

[HoneyBadger]

No I did not vote for FN Obama! Yes us liberty lovers are going to fail, we have gone too far left. l I will vote for Tancredo, but it won't happen. You can't swim upstream.
Again with the defeatist attitude.... Yes, as a matter of fact, you CAN swim upstream.


Well, maybe you can't, but the rest of us will without you.

[roberth]

Well poof, he's got my vote. "In March, Hickenlooper told Denver's 9NEWS that he didn't think his gun-control efforts would jeopardize his re-election hopes." Far as I'm concerned, that's is exactly what will take him down



I doubt the looper will be on the ballot in 2014, he is headed for the national stage with his "good' showing here.

[centrarchidae]

Republican party hasn't won a statewide election in over a decade (Owens and Allard in 2002). I like Tancredo, and voted for him in 2010, and will probably vote for him in 2014, if I'm still here, but I don't think the state can be turned from its blue ways now.

Our Secretary of State and Attorney General are both statewide and both Republicans.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Knock yourselves out.

[Hound]

Well poof, he's got my vote. "In March, Hickenlooper told Denver's 9NEWS that he didn't think his gun-control efforts would jeopardize his re-election hopes." Far as I'm concerned, that's is exactly what will take him down



Only one way to prove it. I think that the defeatist sentiment from some on here is the most worrisome though. The margins are close as it is.

[KS63]

Do you really think with our state currently being officially Democrap that Tancredo stands a snowballs chance in hell? C'mon get real, wake up and stop dreaming. Face the facts and stop stroking yourself.
So you've thrown in the towel before the fights even started?

[beast556]

I voted for him last time and I will vote for him again.

[Dingo]

I'm all for Tancredo. I may not agree with absolutely everything he believes in, but at least he's very open his views. I don't see a lot of deceit there.

[ruffian]

I was fortunate to have had a phone chat with Tom several months ago concerning the currently passed gun legislation. He is a humble focused honest man in my opinion. It is a rare thing nowadays for a political leader to to be as frank and honest as he was in our conversation.......he was pretty hard on himself. If we as a non democratic party voting base can come together, he would really help restore the sanity to Colorado.

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[roberth]

I heard on KHOW this morning that Senator Brophy and SOS Scott Gessler were going to run for governor as well.

Senator Brophy would be worthy of a vote too. I'll have to look at SOS Gessler.

[Bailey Guns]

It's a little early in the game, but if Tancredo is the R candidate for governor, I'd vote for him.

But I don't get all giddy about him...he's not my ideal candidate though we'll see if anyone better will apply for the job. I'd still like to see Terry Maketa run though I don't know much about him other than his stand on the recent gun control issues.

Seems like a few of you have some short memories about Tancredo:


April 5 [2000] - Conservative Republican U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, the congressman from Columbine, is supporting the statewide gun-control initiative to close the "gun-show loophole." "I support anything that is designed to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, and this fits," Tancredo said. "This is a reasonable gun-control provision."



Yeah, Tom...we're all about those "common sense" and "reasonable" gun-control provisions...just like it says in the 2A. He also scores a B+ from the NRA which indicates he's had some problems at times with his stance on gun issues.

But, I'd vote for him all day long and twice on Sun over ANY democrat.

ETA: Just saw the post by roberth...Brophy would be a good candidate as well. I'd consider him over Tancredo.

[roberth]

ETA: Just saw the post by roberth...Brophy would be a good candidate as well. I'd consider him over Tancredo.

I was thinking the same thing.

[losttrail]

It will be interesting to see how the GOP receives him. Willthe GOP try to find someone that more fits the Coors profile or finally start listening to the people.

[ruffian]

There are some fences to mend with the GOP. I think it is possible to fix them if all come to the table and act like grown ups. I think Tom would do his part in this process. There is too much "what about me" in conservative Colorado, to much butt hurt personal bickering is why we are getting our a$$es kicked. It is join or die time for us........hopefully our political talent pool is up to the task......I'm too old to move to Wyoming.

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[Aloha_Shooter]

Sorry, I like Tom and his stances when he was in the House but I think he split the party and gave the governorship to Hickenlooper in 2010. I'd rather draft Terry Maketa so he can stick a big old veto pen in Mark "What Jessica's Law?" Ferrandino's eye.

[milwaukeeshaker]

You got it. I won't stop trying, but I'm sure it's a waste of time with the Repubs. Libertarian would probably be a smarter choice.

So you've thrown in the towel before the fights even started?

[Bailey Guns]

Libertarian would probably be a smarter choice.

Let's see. It's hard enough to elect a republican when half (approximately) the state is republican. And you think it's smarter to vote for a libertarian?

Yeah. We're fucked.

[Ronin13]

Heard on the radio this morning that Steve Laffey has put his paperwork in to run for the R ticket... It might be between these two in the primary, and I think Tancredo will get my vote.

[Sharpienads]

Heard on the radio this morning that Steve Laffey has put his paperwork in to run for the R ticket... It might be between these two in the primary, and I think Tancredo will get my vote.

He withdrew from the primary today.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_23316377/steve-laffey-withdraws-from-colorados-gubernatorial-gop-primary

[milwaukeeshaker]

I just knew if I said the dreaded "L" word somebody would get their panties in a wad. Yeah lets just stick with the same old tired BS that'll do it. I'm a staunch lifelong Repub but I'm sick of the lousy candidates, the left leaning go along policies, the general wishy washy crapola my party doles out. If there is not a major change, I'm gonna change and vote my for the person that is aligned with my ideals, and to hell with voting for "my" party. Party voting has not gotten us anywhere in at least 4 elections. Ok, flame on, I'm done.

[HoneyBadger]

I'd still like to see Terry Maketa run though I don't know much about him other than his stand on the recent gun control issues.


I think you said before that you're not on Facebook, but Sheriff Maketa's FB page has blown up over the past few months with hundreds of people BEGGING him to run for governor. It's a good sight to see.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Let's see. It's hard enough to elect a republican when half (approximately) the state is republican. And you think it's smarter to vote for a libertarian?

Yeah. We're fucked.

This is where I'm at as well. I'd much rather a libertarian in charge philosophically, but it isn't going to happen and the libertarian party is still a joke: The party of pot and no license plates and whatever other goofy ideas.


I just knew if I said the dreaded "L" word somebody would get their panties in a wad. Yeah lets just stick with the same old tired BS that'll do it. I'm a staunch lifelong Repub but I'm sick of the lousy candidates, the left leaning go along policies, the general wishy washy crapola my party doles out. If there is not a major change, I'm gonna change and vote my for the person that is aligned with my ideals, and to hell with voting for "my" party. Party voting has not gotten us anywhere in at least 4 elections. Ok, flame on, I'm done.

Why can't the libertarians transform the GOP with the tea party types?
It worked for the radical left to hijack the democrat party.

[Bailey Guns]

I just knew if I said the dreaded "L" word somebody would get their panties in a wad. Yeah lets just stick with the same old tired BS that'll do it. I'm a staunch lifelong Repub but I'm sick of the lousy candidates, the left leaning go along policies, the general wishy washy crapola my party doles out. If there is not a major change, I'm gonna change and vote my for the person that is aligned with my ideals, and to hell with voting for "my" party. Party voting has not gotten us anywhere in at least 4 elections. Ok, flame on, I'm done.

Nobody got any panties in a wad, libertarian boy. You said voting libertarian would be smarter. I disagreed. If you can't understand why what I said makes sense, knowing the L party will get just a few percentage points at the polls, then you're beyond reasoning with. And you're wrong about party voting. It may not have gotten "us" anywhere in the last few elections but it's working great for republicans in other states and the dems have been doing a bang-up job with it here. Vote how you want. Nobody cares. Except the democrats that will be re-elected.

[Bailey Guns]

I think you said before that you're not on Facebook, but Sheriff Maketa's FB page has blown up over the past few months with hundreds of people BEGGING him to run for governor. It's a good sight to see.

Cool. I guess we'll see what happens with that.

[HoneyBadger]

This is where I'm at as well. I'd much rather a libertarian in charge philosophically, but it isn't going to happen and the libertarian party is still a joke: The party of pot and no license plates and whatever other goofy ideas.



Clearly you don't have a clue what the Libertarian party is about. It's not about policy, it's about the principles of liberty.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Clearly you don't have a clue what the Libertarian party is about. It's not about policy, it's about the principles of liberty.

I'd say I have the Libertarian Party pegged dead on.

When they come around to the principles of liberty and stop being such a joke, I'll be more on board.
Until then, best of luck with the Michael Badnarik and Ron Paul shenanigans. I'm going to vote with the grown-ups.




Edit while I'm thinking about it: The problem with the Libertarian Party, as alluded to, is the faces they trot out and I mentioned them above, and also just a bit of exclusivity to them. Just reading your post, which I might interpret as, "Oh you don't get us, be gone!" And this isn't my own observation, Wilkow and Levin have spent hours on that exact same topic. OK, fine, I'm plenty happy with that. I may be very libertarian economically (especially!), and socially (while it isn't my thing, gays, abortions, pot, etc etc shouldn't be the government's thing either), but it isn't about my politics. I'm happy to never public identify with this freak show while you have Badnarik driving around with licenses and plates to make a liberty point, college libertarians blasting the cypress hill and carrying on about TJ and GW's quotes on hemp, and Ron Paul basically damning Chris Kyle, MLK, black males, and insisting on near isolationism and the whole thing carrying 3% of the vote. Uhh, yeah, I guess I would rather hang out (or vote!) with the "bible beaters" and tea party types.

The democrats have managed to somehow bring in all these differing opinions and groups (and a few former 3rd parties!) into their "big tent." I'm not sure why we want to split hairs on the less important BS. So, sure, count me a repub. That's fine.

[roberth]

The democrats have managed to somehow bring in all these differing opinions and groups (and a few former 3rd parties!) into their "big tent." I'm not sure why we want to split hairs on the less important BS. So, sure, count me a repub. That's fine.

That is because they all share in a couple of greater goals and they'll set aside their own personal goals to advance the greater goals of their party. These people are collectivists, they run with the herd and they like the power that being in a singular group gives them. These people aren't individuals and they don't do anything without approval from their leaders.

Conservatives and Libertarians are naturally more difficult to herd because we're individualists who have much stronger bonds to our personal goals and to compromise is an affront to our individuality. We tend to run in smaller groups or alone because we like being our own people (singular).

[Aloha_Shooter]

That is because they all share in a couple of greater goals and they'll set aside their own personal goals to advance the greater goals of their party. These people are collectivists, they run with the herd and they like the power that being in a singular group gives them. These people aren't individuals and they don't do anything without approval from their leaders.

Conservatives and Libertarians are naturally more difficult to herd because we're individualists who have much stronger bonds to our personal goals and to compromise is an affront to our individuality. We tend to run in smaller groups or alone because we like being our own people (singular).

I'll argue the "greater goals" bit. The Democrats have a bunch of mind-numbed robots who will adopt any knee-jerk anti-traditional/Christian/Western/capitalist stand. They recite "Roe v. Wade" repeatedly like it was some magical chant regardless of whether any Republican has said anything about it (when was the last time "Roe v. Wade" was a part of the Republican Party platform?). The biggest problem is we've allowed this lack of intelligent focus or critical thinking to permeate the education system so kids grow up believing this Marxist, anti-Western pap. I deal with teenagers regularly and steadily and even ones regarded as intelligent surprise me with their inability (or unwillingness) to just walk through a problem to a solution. I ask a question or pose a problem and they'll just sit there dumbly expecting that I'll give them the answer if they just wait long enough.

The Dems toss out "answers" so anyone conditioned to this way of "thinking" accepts it blindly. To be fair, the Republicans and Libertarians do this too but their answers typically imply work or are less fun so less popular.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

If the Conservatives and Libertarians are forced to compromise with each other or continually split and lose to the left and face being told what to do with our healthcare, our weapons, our businesses, our money, our land, our children, etc, etc, etc - I really like to think we can sacrifice a bit of individuality, but it seems probably not. Living with either conservative or libertarian principles a lot easier than this extreme progressivism, imho.

[Ronin13]

On this whole liberal vs conservative thing- I really wish the Conservatives (namely republicans) would stop, shut up, and actually explain once in a while instead of letting the libs say all this crap and the LIVs believe it as gospel and then go out and vote against the R ticket. Explain why your policies are better. Explain what that 43% is. Explain why you want to lower taxes. Stop assuming everyone is smart, start remembering that a lot of people are just a dog hair away from needing to wear a helmet. And get the hell off the abortion thing- the left sucked Romney into that pit and he couldn't possibly escape. On things like that, you shut up, don't say anything, and then after you're elected you go ahead and start considering your stance on those slippery issues.

[wrestler034]

On this whole liberal vs conservative thing- I really wish the Conservatives (namely republicans) would stop, shut up, and actually explain once in a while instead of letting the libs say all this crap and the LIVs believe it as gospel and then go out and vote against the R ticket. Explain why your policies are better. Explain what that 43% is. Explain why you want to lower taxes. Stop assuming everyone is smart, start remembering that a lot of people are just a dog hair away from needing to wear a helmet. And get the hell off the abortion thing- the left sucked Romney into that pit and he couldn't possibly escape. On things like that, you shut up, don't say anything, and then after you're elected you go ahead and start considering your stance on those slippery issues.

x2

Until the Republican party can leave their religion based, social conservative views alone, we are in trouble...

[Rucker61]

On this whole liberal vs conservative thing- I really wish the Conservatives (namely republicans) would stop, shut up, and actually explain once in a while instead of letting the libs say all this crap and the LIVs believe it as gospel and then go out and vote against the R ticket. Explain why your policies are better. Explain what that 43% is. Explain why you want to lower taxes. Stop assuming everyone is smart, start remembering that a lot of people are just a dog hair away from needing to wear a helmet. And get the hell off the abortion thing- the left sucked Romney into that pit and he couldn't possibly escape. On things like that, you shut up, don't say anything, and then after you're elected you go ahead and start considering your stance on those slippery issues.

Yeah, and the media will go along with that.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Until the Republican party can leave their religion based, social conservative views alone, we are in trouble...

Y'know, idiots keep saying that despite the fact that the biggest complaint against Romney was that he wasn't conservative enough, that he was another Massachusetts liberal. Republicans stomped all over the Missouri moron who pulled defeat out of the jaws of victory. Please cite one aspect of the Republican Party plank that was religion-based or seriously pushed social conservatism.

We're in trouble until people realize the Marxists are the enemy and are able to unite instead of talking down at social conservatives -- the country's decline maps quite neatly to the growth of social liberalism (of course, it also maps quite neatly to available horsepower, available firepower and a bunch of other unrelated factors).

[wrestler034]

Y'know, idiots keep saying that despite the fact that the biggest complaint against Romney was that he wasn't conservative enough, that he was another Massachusetts liberal. Republicans stomped all over the Missouri moron who pulled defeat out of the jaws of victory. Please cite one aspect of the Republican Party plank that was religion-based or seriously pushed social conservatism.

We're in trouble until people realize the Marxists are the enemy and are able to unite instead of talking down at social conservatives -- the country's decline maps quite neatly to the growth of social liberalism (of course, it also maps quite neatly to available horsepower, available firepower and a bunch of other unrelated factors).

No one was "talking down" to anyone. If the republican party will not back off on abortion and same sex marriage, among others, we will continue to see the map turn blue. But as expected once religion was brought up we made it two posts before the name calling started... so I'm out.

[Hound]

That is because they all share in a couple of greater goals and they'll set aside their own personal goals to advance the greater goals of their party. These people are collectivists, they run with the herd and they like the power that being in a singular group gives them. These people aren't individuals and they don't do anything without approval from their leaders.

This strikes me as funny.... It is exactly what was being said about Republicans in 2004. You know... Where to get political postings you had to swear allegiance to the party? The D's have not gone that far but again... Both parties have lost their way...power corupting and all. Lots of stones and glass on this thread.

[Bailey Guns]

Y'know, idiots keep saying that despite the fact that the biggest complaint against Romney was that he wasn't conservative enough, that he was another Massachusetts liberal. Republicans stomped all over the Missouri moron who pulled defeat out of the jaws of victory. Please cite one aspect of the Republican Party plank that was religion-based or seriously pushed social conservatism.

We're in trouble until people realize the Marxists are the enemy and are able to unite instead of talking down at social conservatives -- the country's decline maps quite neatly to the growth of social liberalism (of course, it also maps quite neatly to available horsepower, available firepower and a bunch of other unrelated factors).

This is the problem. And the fact that so-called "conservatives" buy into the media driven hyperbole that republican candidates are "anti-women's health care" (against abortion) and other such nonsense.

In case some of you who are calling for republicans to tone down the "social conservatism" I have two points:

1) Republicans/conservatives ARE socially conservative. That's the whole idea. Very, very few of them actually publicly speak about things like "gay rights" and "women's health care" until it's brought up by the media as a tool to use against them. Most socially conservative republicans believe these issues should be left in the hands of the state and they aren't federal gov't issues. But the leftist media types KNOW the simple-minded can be easily swayed when they label that particular candidate as a right-wing religious nutjob who doesn't care about women, minorities or gays or whomever. And it works. This thread is proof of that.

2) Conservatives need to campaign and govern as conservatives. Look at the feedback...most republicans are blasted for NOT being conservative enough (this has been pointed out several times here). Even on this forum that's the biggest complaint I've seen. Don't believe me? Go back and search for Romney threads. How many times has someone written here that dems and repubs are the same? Reagan seems to be the conservative standard by which others are judged. And he sure as hell preached conservative values while campaigning and during the 8 years he was president and people freakin' adored him...still do.

[losttrail]

This is the problem. And the fact that so-called "conservatives" buy into the media driven hyperbole that republican candidates are "anti-women's health care" (against abortion) and other such nonsense.

In case some of you who are calling for republicans to tone down the "social conservatism" I have two points:

1) Republicans/conservatives ARE socially conservative. That's the whole idea. Very, very few of them actually publicly speak about things like "gay rights" and "women's health care" until it's brought up by the media as a tool to use against them. Most socially conservative republicans believe these issues should be left in the hands of the state and they aren't federal gov't issues. But the leftist media types KNOW the simple-minded can be easily swayed when they label that particular candidate as a right-wing religious nutjob who doesn't care about women, minorities or gays or whomever. And it works. This thread is proof of that.

2) Conservatives need to campaign and govern as conservatives. Look at the feedback...most republicans are blasted for NOT being conservative enough (this has been pointed out several times here). Even on this forum that's the biggest complaint I've seen. Don't believe me? Go back and search for Romney threads. How many times has someone written here that dems and repubs are the same? Reagan seems to be the conservative standard by which others are judged. And he sure as hell preached conservative values while campaigning and during the 8 years he was president and people freakin' adored him...still do.

Well said.

[Dingo]

^^^WHAT BG SAID^^^^

[Zundfolge]

Until the Republican party can leave their religion based, social conservative views alone, we are in trouble...

So what you're saying is that until Republicans start championing infanticide, worshiping Gaia and reject their own deeply held beliefs (particularly on what is and is not acceptable behavior among civilized humans) they're going to continue to lose?

Problems with that are two fold 1) becoming Democrats kind of defeats the purpose of being a Republican to begin with and 2) every time a Republican runs as a rock ribbed, hard right conservative they win in a landslide whereas when they become mushy minded, middle of the road moderates (Romney and McCain are the two latest examples) they die on the vine.

Even the Atheist/agnostic Randians recognize objective reality (what with calling their philosophy "Objectivism" and all).

The truth is that until Republicans return to their Constitutionalist AND social conservative roots they're going to continue to lose.

[Bailey Guns]

^^ Why does it always sound better when you say it?

[RiderGeek]

So what you're saying is that until Republicans start championing infanticide, worshiping Gaia and reject their own deeply held beliefs (particularly on what is and is not acceptable behavior among civilized humans) they're going to continue to lose?

No... This right here is an example of the reason Republicans will continue to loose their base. Unnecessarily taking the conversation to the highest extreme possible, that is.
Recognizing the rights of a woman to own her body isn't championing infanticide, respecting the desire of two people of the same sex to enter into a legal contract / social union (even if you don't agree with their lifestyle) isn't waving the banner for homosexuality, and being open people with different beliefs doesn't mean you yourself are rejecting your own deeply held beliefs.

Mark my words: the upcoming generation will be known as the generation of skeptics. The age of information has bombarded them from birth with a continuous stream of half-truths and illogical inconsistency, and just to keep their brains from imploding, they will have to develop finely tuned bullshit detectors. The conservative movement / Republican Party will either adapt and evolve (and that certianly doesn't mean becoming Democrats, Socialists or Communists), or they will go the way of the whigs and other once-significant parties.

[bellavite1]

No... This right here is an example of the reason Republicans will continue to loose their base. Unnecessarily taking the conversation to the highest extreme possible, that is.
Recognizing the rights of a woman to own her body isn't championing infanticide, respecting the desire of two people of the same sex to enter into a legal contract / social union (even if you don't agree with their lifestyle) isn't waving the banner for homosexuality, and being open people with different beliefs doesn't mean you yourself are rejecting your own deeply held beliefs.

Mark my words: the upcoming generation will be known as the generation of skeptics. The age of information has bombarded them from birth with a continuous stream of half-truths and illogical inconsistency, and just to keep their brains from imploding, they will have to develop finely tuned bullshit detectors. The conservative movement / Republican Party will either adapt and evolve (and that certianly doesn't mean becoming Democrats, Socialists or Communists), or they will go the way of the whigs and other once-significant parties.

If you agree 100% with what your political party preaches you are either very lucky or forcing yourself to.
It is what I deal with most times in political discussions: how can you be a Satanist AND a Republican?
Well, although I disagree with several views of the GOP, self determinism and personal responsibility are to me much more important than what God you choose to believe in.
As with anything else in life, it is about taking the parts that fit your own beliefs and are most important to you and ignoring the other ones.

[Bailey Guns]

No... This right here is an example of the reason Republicans will continue to loose their base. Unnecessarily taking the conversation to the highest extreme possible, that is.
Recognizing the rights of a woman to own her body isn't championing infanticide, respecting the desire of two people of the same sex to enter into a legal contract / social union (even if you don't agree with their lifestyle) isn't waving the banner for homosexuality, and being open people with different beliefs doesn't mean you yourself are rejecting your own deeply held beliefs.

Mark my words: the upcoming generation will be known as the generation of skeptics. The age of information has bombarded them from birth with a continuous stream of half-truths and illogical inconsistency, and just to keep their brains from imploding, they will have to develop finely tuned bullshit detectors. The conservative movement / Republican Party will either adapt and evolve (and that certianly doesn't mean becoming Democrats, Socialists or Communists), or they will go the way of the whigs and other once-significant parties.

And a real conservative would recognize none of these issues should be decided by the federal gov't.

[Zundfolge]

No... This right here is an example of the reason Republicans will continue to loose their base. Unnecessarily taking the conversation to the highest extreme possible, that is.
Recognizing the rights of a woman to own her body isn't championing infanticide, respecting the desire of two people of the same sex to enter into a legal contract / social union (even if you don't agree with their lifestyle) isn't waving the banner for homosexuality, and being open people with different beliefs doesn't mean you yourself are rejecting your own deeply held beliefs.

Mark my words: the upcoming generation will be known as the generation of skeptics. The age of information has bombarded them from birth with a continuous stream of half-truths and illogical inconsistency, and just to keep their brains from imploding, they will have to develop finely tuned bullshit detectors. The conservative movement / Republican Party will either adapt and evolve (and that certianly doesn't mean becoming Democrats, Socialists or Communists), or they will go the way of the whigs and other once-significant parties.
If you were right we'd be talking about President McCain or at least President Romney.

[mindfold]

Sooooo, I am looking for a thread about Tom Tancredo running for Governor. Anyone seen where it went? Bueller?? Bueller????

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Sooooo, I am looking for a thread about Tom Tancredo running for Governor. Anyone seen where it went? Bueller?? Bueller????

http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2013/05/31/tancredos-chances/