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USMC03
12-01-2008, 21:56
I have been a big fan of mid-lenght AR15 carbines for the last 6+ years. It's been just within the last couple years that mid-lengths have started catching on with the masses.

One of the down sides to mid-length carbines (until recently) was that the selection was lacking. Just about every company that manufacturer's AR15's, makes a version of the M4. But if you wanted a mid-length, you only had a few options (until the last couple years). Most of the companies that were producing mid-lengths, many of them were lacking in quality and / or features that many shooters wanted (ie. 1/7" twist, M4 feed ramps, higher grade barrel steel, etc.)

Bravo Company USA came out with a line of uppers a couple years ago that had many features that shooters wanted and they were very competitively priced. Unfortunately for me, I missed out on the first run on Bravo Company's mid-length uppers.

After 2 year wait, I was able to secure a Bravo Company USA 16" mid-length upper, Bravo Company M16 Bolt Carrier Group, and charging handle.

My initial impressions are I'm extreemly impressed with the features and the quality of the upper receiver group, especially when you consider the price point ($449 for the mid-length upper, $130 for the M16 bolt carrier, and $20.95 for the charging handle).

Here are a list of features for both the mid-length upper and the bolt carrier group that I borrowed from Bravo Company's website:



Upper Receiver Features


-M4 Feed Ramp Barrel Extension (USGI)

-M4 Feed Ramp Flat Top Receiver

-T-Marked Upper Receivers

-USGI 1/7 Twist Rates

-USGI 5.56 NATO Chambers

-Mil-Spec 11595E - 4150 Grade Barrel Steel (CMV)

-Chrome Lined Bore and Chamber

-Manganese Phosphate Barrel Finish

-Mil-Spec F-Marked Forged Front Sights

-USGI Government Profile Barrels

-HPT (High Pressure Test) Barrels

-MPI (Magnetic Particle Inspected) Barrels



Bolt Carrier Group Features


-MPI Bolt (Magnetic Particle Inspected)

-Shot Peened Bolt

-Chrome Lined Carrier (AUTO)

-Chrome Lined Gas Key

-Gas Key Hardened to USGI Specifications

-Grade 8 Hardened Fasteners

-Key Staked Per Mil-Spec

-BCM™ Extractor Spring

-Black Extractor Insert

-Mil-Spec Crane O-Ring


For a more detailed description / definition of the features listed above read this document: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BCM%2DURG%2DMID%2D1 6&Show=ExtInfo


If you take a look at "The Chart" (produced by rob_s) and compare prices, it's easy to see that you can spend more money on another brand and get less features / quality assurance. (The Chart used with the permission of rob_s)

"The Chart" (click on the link on the link below and then click on "Link to Google Document")
http://www.tacticalyellowvisor.net/69016/68995.html


A little comparison shopping will quickly show you what a great value the Bravo Company (BCM) uppers are.



Bravo Company Mid-Length upper receiver, Bravo Company M16 bolt carrier group, and charging handle:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/IMG_0770.jpg

Right side of the upper receiver:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/IMG_0772.jpg

Left side of the upper receiver:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/IMG_0777.jpg

HP MP 1/7 5.56 NATO marking on the top of the barrel:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/IMG_0774.jpg

"F" Marked front sight base (proper height for flat top receiver):

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/IMG_0775.jpg

M4 feed ramps (sorry for the poor quality pic):

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/IMG_0782.jpg

Bolt carrier group and charging handle:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/IMG_0781.jpg

Bravo Company M16 bolt carrier group:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/IMG_0778.jpg

Properly staked gas key:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/IMG_0779.jpg

MP tested bolt:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/IMG_0780.jpg


Complete upper receiver on a LMT Defender 2000 lower receiver:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/IMG_0783.jpg

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/IMG_0784.jpg





I found that the BCM upper receiver fit snug on several LMT lowers, as well as on a Stag Arms lower receiver. Color match wasn't exact, but the BCM upper was very close to both the LMT and Stag.












Semper Fi,
Jeff

USMC03
12-01-2008, 22:05
BCM Mid-Lenght upper receiver group on a LMT Defender 2000 lower receiver:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/IMG_0787.jpg



http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/IMG_0791.jpg

USMC03
12-01-2008, 22:08
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/3d34a14f.jpg



http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/0c552a6d.jpg

USMC03
12-01-2008, 22:12
From this:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/0c552a6d.jpg



To this:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/IMG_0040.jpg

USMC03
12-01-2008, 22:14
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/DPP_0093_edited.jpg

USMC03
12-01-2008, 22:15
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/DPP_0096_edited.jpg

USMC03
12-01-2008, 22:15
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/DPP_0099_edited.jpg

USMC03
12-01-2008, 22:16
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/BCM%20Stainless%20Mid-Lenght/DPP_0218.jpg

USMC03
12-01-2008, 22:17
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Stag%20Mid-Length%20Coyote/dc7282e0.jpg

USMC03
12-01-2008, 22:17
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/DPP_0262.jpg

USMC03
12-01-2008, 22:18
Noveske N4 on top, BCM stainless mid length on bottom:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Group%20Gun%20Pics/DPP_0242.jpg

USMC03
12-08-2008, 06:05
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/DPP_0306.jpg

USMC03
12-15-2008, 06:58
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/BCM%20Stainless%20Mid-Lenght/DPP_0236.jpg

USMC03
12-22-2008, 08:09
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/DPP_0433.jpg

USMC03
12-25-2008, 08:55
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!


http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/DPP_0316.jpg

USMC03
02-09-2009, 08:39
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/BCM%20Stainless%20Mid-Lenght/DPP_0056.jpg

USMC03
05-18-2009, 10:44
We had a good showing of Bravo Comany uppers and complete guns at a recent EAG Tactical (Pat Rogers) 3 day carbine operator's class.

I talked with all of the guys that were running BCM uppers / guns and no one had a single malfunction that was cause by the carbine.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Pat%20Rogers%202009/DPP_0031-1.jpg

From top to bottom:
-Pat Rogers' BCM Stainless 11.5" (Pat used this as his demo gun for the entire class)
-UVvis' BCM 16" Mid-Length (UVvis lent this gun out to a friend for the class)
-UVis' BCM 11.5" (UVvis came in top shooter with his BCM 11.5")
-MustangLT's BCM 16" Mid-Length
-USMC03's BCM 16" Mid-Length
-Pat Rogers' BCM 16" Mid-Length (loaned out to a student for the class)
-english kanigit's BCM 16" Mid-Length


I put just over 1,300 rounds through the gun in the 3 day course. Not a single problem. Paul makes good sh*t. :)

USMC03
06-29-2009, 11:46
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Bravo%20Company%20Mid-Length/e6a58beb.jpg

Roger
07-03-2009, 17:02
mind if I cut in?

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj159/rkh316/BCM%20Middy/wp1.jpg

USMC03
07-07-2009, 12:18
Bravo Company mid-length in a recent Pat Rogers ( www.eagtactical.com ) 3 day carbine operator's course:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Pat%20Rogers%202009/DPP_0002.jpg

longhunter
07-10-2009, 13:57
Based off of your, and others, recomendations I have contacted Grant at G&R to get in the Q to get one of these...and now the waiting begins.

Thanks Jeff.

USMC03
07-28-2009, 19:26
No problem longhunter.


http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Pat%20Rogers%202009/DPP_0026-2.jpg


Photo credit: DZ - photo used with permission

USMC03
08-16-2009, 18:28
BCM SS410 mid-lenght being put through the paces at a recent run and gun rifle match:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Monthly%20Rifle%20Matches/DPP_0044copy.jpg

USMC03
08-31-2009, 15:09
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/03%20Design%20Group-BCM/DPP_0037copy.jpg

BigMat
09-20-2009, 19:53
This thread was the final nail in convincing me to buy a BCM mid-length upper. Just passed the 500 round mark in mine, and so far, huge fan. The function has been perfect and the finish is great. I have been shooting cheap ammo occasionally out of cheap magazines that I had around(a little torture test), it ate it all without a hiccup. I fully appreciate the recommendation and have no complaints about it myself.
[Beer]

USMC03
10-06-2009, 18:21
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/03%20Design%20Group-BCM/DPP_0005copy.jpg

MichiganMilitia
10-06-2009, 20:47
You are such a tease... :(

USMC03
10-26-2009, 12:04
At a recently LMS Defense carbine course 5 out of 8 shooters were running BCM uppers or complete guns (to include a 11.5" BFH and a 16" BFH). No malfunctions in any of the BCM guns (with the exception of a Wolf casing getting stuck inside the chamber on the 2nd to the last drill at the end of training day 2. I thought we were going to break the Magpul CTR and Gunfighter charging handle trying to get the stuck case out of the gun, but we were finally able to free the spent casing with no damage to either the stock or charging handle.

All 5 guns has Gunfighter charging handles in them. I'm really impressed with the new Gunfighter charging handle, I will be switching all of my charging handles over to the Gunfighter charging handle as funds allow:

BCM 16" mid length with BFH barrel:
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/LMS%20Defense%20Carbine%202009/DPP_0002copy-1.jpg


DZhitshard's 11.5" BFH:
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/LMS%20Defense%20Carbine%202009/DPP_0064copy.jpg

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/LMS%20Defense%20Carbine%202009/DPP_0047copy.jpg

DZ's buddy running my 16" mid-length:
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/LMS%20Defense%20Carbine%202009/DPP_0038copy.jpg

Tactical450 running a 14.5" carbine:
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/LMS%20Defense%20Carbine%202009/DPP_0020copy-1.jpg

Another student running Chappy's BCM 16" mid-length:
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/LMS%20Defense%20Carbine%202009/DPP_0001copy-1.jpg


Group photo:
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/LMS%20Defense%20Carbine%202009/DPP_0005copy.jpg