Taser opinions

[Bitter Clinger]

Does anyone here (especially LEO's or anyone with first hand exp.), recommend them? Im asking for my grandmother. She WILL not and probably physically can't use a gun. VERY anti gun. I had to leave work early last night at about 2am after a frantic phone call from her, some drunk illegal tried getting into her house. My entire family has been trying to get her to move for years, not gonna happen. I will be staying there for the next week or two, but I work at night. Im wondering if a taser or OC spray would be best? For the record, SHE WILL NOT USE A GUN,and probably cannot pull a trigger at least not accurate.

[hurley842002]

They both have positives and negatives, OC is going to cause more collateral damage I.e. has potential to contaminate the user, if she has respiratory issues probably not a good idea. Also not everyone responds to OC the same, I've seen several folks not even flynch (I hate the stuff but can still put up a fight while contaminated). Tazers are quite effective on a wide array of folks (from my experience), one downside you have to actually aim (laser). Just a few thoughts for grandmother.

[Ronin13]

I would say, if she can't pull the trigger and be accurate with a gun, the taser is probably not a good alternative. I've also read (never experienced) that some civilian bought OC spray is not 100% effective, but bear mace is! [Coffee] Get her a can of bear mace and it will keep her safe, if it can take down a 400lb bear, it'll have no problem giving a 250lb criminal a very bad day. [Beer]

[strm_trpr]

Taser's are not that accurate, if she cannot shoot a gun then a taser is not much better. I saw a taser fail to obtain compliance from an hostile intoxicated pregnant female so sometimes they don't work. . OC is meh, it is better than nothing but needs to be swaped out and tested on a regular basis. As an LEO I would never use OC indoors or in any situation where I could use my ASP or Taser.

[kidicarus13]

There is a difference between LE vs civilian model Tasers (read below). As far as effectiveness... VERY EFFECTIVE as long as the probes both puncture skin a decent distance apart to allow the the charge to effect the nervous system.

The TASER X26C was modeled after the law enforcement TASER X26, and utilizes the same proven technology. One trigger pull of the X26C initiates a 10-second cycle, while the LE model runs for 5 seconds. Moreover, the trigger on the X26C can be pulled several times to create a 30-second cycle. The user can then deploy the X26C, quickly squeeze the trigger 2 additional times to create a 30-second cycle (3 pulls x 10 seconds = 30 seconds), place the X26C on the ground, and depart the scene - while the X26C safely disables the assailant.

The law enforcement version cannot be triggered multiple times to create back-to-back cycles. Cycle times on both models may be interrupted by placing the safey lever in the "safe" position. Per second, the LE X26 delivers 19 pulses of electricity into the target. Since the X26C is capable of delivering a much longer cycle, these pulses range from 19 per second for the first 5 seconds, then drop down to 10 for any remaining time. In addition, civilians may only purchase air cartridges with a 15-foot range, while law enforcement officers have access to cartridges with ranges up to 35'. Finally, the X26 LE model records time and date for each deployment. This feature helps protect law enforcement agencies from claims of excessive use-of-force, and also provides management a powerful tool to track usage patterns and prevent misuse. The firing data on the X26C is not recorded, and cannot be downloaded.

[Bitter Clinger]

Maybe I just need to get her a big dog lol.

[3beansalad]

The Taser C2 is the most affordable version available. Easy push button operation and without the $1K price tag of the X26C. Slide the cover, aim the red dot and press down. All Taser products are very effective. There are of course some things to be aware of. If deployed against someone medical personnel should remove the probes. If used, police should always be contacted and charges filed.

[cofi]

oc dosent really work.....i had a crazy ex mace me once i was able to walk 2 blocks to a friends house it hurt but wasnt the worst thing ever

ive seen tazers instantly drop huge dude that were all fired up and ready to fight......

[MrPrena]

The Taser C2 is the most affordable version available. Easy push button operation and without the $1K price tag of the X26C. Slide the cover, aim the red dot and press down. All Taser products are very effective. There are of course some things to be aware of. If deployed against someone medical personnel should remove the probes. If used, police should always be contacted and charges filed.


There is a difference between LE vs civilian model Tasers (read below). As far as effectiveness... VERY EFFECTIVE as long as the probes both puncture skin a decent distance apart to allow the the charge to effect the nervous system.

The TASER X26C was modeled after the law enforcement TASER X26, and utilizes the same proven technology. One trigger pull of the X26C initiates a 10-second cycle, while the LE model runs for 5 seconds. Moreover, the trigger on the X26C can be pulled several times to create a 30-second cycle. The user can then deploy the X26C, quickly squeeze the trigger 2 additional times to create a 30-second cycle (3 pulls x 10 seconds = 30 seconds), place the X26C on the ground, and depart the scene - while the X26C safely disables the assailant.

The law enforcement version cannot be triggered multiple times to create back-to-back cycles. Cycle times on both models may be interrupted by placing the safey lever in the "safe" position. Per second, the LE X26 delivers 19 pulses of electricity into the target. Since the X26C is capable of delivering a much longer cycle, these pulses range from 19 per second for the first 5 seconds, then drop down to 10 for any remaining time. In addition, civilians may only purchase air cartridges with a 15-foot range, while law enforcement officers have access to cartridges with ranges up to 35'. Finally, the X26 LE model records time and date for each deployment. This feature helps protect law enforcement agencies from claims of excessive use-of-force, and also provides management a powerful tool to track usage patterns and prevent misuse. The firing data on the X26C is not recorded, and cannot be downloaded.



^^ What they said above.

Taser said appximately 1' spread of probe per 7' distance. Therefore typical 14' distance will have about 2' spread.
Imagine the 25' XP catridges or 35' cartridges spread would be.

[StagLefty]

I'd also recommend some reinforcement of locks,door jambs,and windows. I don't know her age or physical condition but her responding may not be what it used to be.

[kidicarus13]

If deployed against someone medical personnel should remove the probes.

Word of advise to any non-LE... DON'T ASSIST SOMEONE AFTER THEY'VE ATTACKED YOU.

[Ronin13]

Just FYI- most commercially available OC sprays vary in SHU, thus in effectiveness. Many may say they're 25% or more OC content but may only be 500,000 SHU versus a canister with 15% but 2,000,000 SHU. Just bear in mind, not all OC spray is the same.

[MrPrena]

All the comments posted are great advice.

I personally carry a 2.0 oz FOX LABS 5.3m SHU pepper spray. IT is really hot. I got the back lash, and learned it was much hotter than Saber, First Defense, Defense Tech OC.

[hurley842002]

All the comments posted are great advice.

I personally carry a 2.0 oz FOX LABS 5.3m SHU pepper spray. IT is really hot. I got the back lash, and learned it was much hotter than Saber, First Defense, Defense Tech OC.

Fox labs is where it's at, I have yet to try anything more effective. MK9 to the face ruins your day.

[Ronin13]

All the comments posted are great advice.

I personally carry a 2.0 oz FOX LABS 5.3m SHU pepper spray. IT is really hot. I got the back lash, and learned it was much hotter than Saber, First Defense, Defense Tech OC.
5.3m? Ouch! I had a plate of wings not too long ago that were 400,000 SHU and I was on the verge of tears- how many times hotter? To the face? To hell with that, I'm not going to get on your bad side! [Beer]
ETA: edited, read that wrong.... the Naga pepper is 1.04M SHU, and it's one of the hottest peppers in the world.

[AirbornePathogen]

Word of advise to any non-LE... DON'T ASSIST SOMEONE AFTER THEY'VE ATTACKED YOU.

On that note, Taser has a program where if you use one of their products in self-defense and then have to drop it to get to safety or whatever, they'll replace it free. Copied from the FAQ at www.taser.com:

What happens if I have to use my C2 CEW to defend myself and it’s lost as a result?Lifetime Replacement Guarantee
When an X26C, M26C, or C2 CEW is used in self-defense, the CEWs may be deployed and left behind providing the Purchaser a window of opportunity to get to safety and call law enforcement. TASER International will replace the TASER X26C, M26C, or C2 CEW free of charge, with the same product or a like product, at TASER International's option, if the Purchaser provides, within one year following the event, the following information to TASER International, 17800 North 85th Street, Scottsdale, Arizona 85255 Attn: Customer Service:


A copy of the official police report documenting the incident and the loss of the product;
Proof of purchase of the product (receipt, purchase order, or invoice);
Check or a credit authorization for the shipping and handling fees; and
Purchaser's name, physical address (no PO Boxes allowed), and phone number of where to send the replaced item.

Purchaser is responsible for any expedited shipping or handling costs for the replacement CEW. A replacement product assumes the remaining warranty of the original product or 90 days from the date of replacement, whichever provides longer coverage to the Purchaser.
TASER International's Lifetime Replacement Guarantee is not available or applicable: (a) on any international (Non-United States) sales or uses of TASER Citizen Products; or (b) to any Purchaser who uses the CEW for a commercial purpose.

[kidicarus13]

+1 for Fox Labs

[MrPrena]

5.3m? Ouch! I had a plate of wings not too long ago that were 4.6m SHU and I was on the verge of tears- almost a million more units hotter? To the face? To hell with that, I'm not going to get on your bad side! [Beer]

Here are some info
http://www.foxlabs.com/pepperspray.shtml

[Ronin13]

Here are some info
http://www.foxlabs.com/pepperspray.shtml
Holy cow! That Crowd Control Tank is awesome! When does Phish come to Denver next? We're gonna have some fun! [ROFL1]

[Clint45]

BEST thing to do is reinforce the front and back doors so they're harder to kick in and make sure she knows never to open the door for anyone after dark. Put bright floodlights with motion detector on front and back porch. Maybe get a LOUD alarm bell or siren she can trigger with a panic button. Never gift a dog or a weapon to someone who doesn't want one.

[DingleBerns]

The law enforcement version cannot be triggered multiple times to create back-to-back cycles.

Don't know where you got that but I could go all day, until the battery runs out.

I've experienced both, however both can be ineffective. OC lasts longer and can contaminate others and yourself however you can fight through the OC. We had to fight after getting sprayed and it is possible. Taser is also affective but it does not affect everyone.

[MrPrena]

OC- It works good when there are more than 1 people to deal with. I don't care the wind is coming from the back. I am getting some of OC.

Taser C/X/M series- Good application for one-on-one. I try to make sure there are no sidewalk bump, obsticles, and/or any place they can bang their head on. They will drop like sack of potatoes. If they sh1t/urninate indoor, you gotta clean your own carpet//floor. [pileoshit][mop]

[Stone83]

Big ole can of Bear Spray (from Bass Pro) dropped my 285# drunk cousin on a dare...

"Tasers" (L.E. correct me) can't be bought by civilians (they have gun powder) and they screw you for the price and to reload (one & done)

Check out "Phazzer" same idea as a Taser- shoots barbs, rubber, OC and a Taser has 50-55k volt Phazzer (1st shot) has 65k volt

[ray1970]

Big ole can of Bear Spray (from Bass Pro) dropped my 285# drunk cousin on a dare...


Video?

[BuffCyclist]

Never researched OC at all, but several of you mention Fox Labs. What is better, the cone fog or stream? I realize a stream requires more aim, but wouldn't the cone fog result in more blowback in your own face too?

[BuffCyclist]

Big ole can of Bear Spray (from Bass Pro) dropped my 285# drunk cousin on a dare...

"Tasers" (L.E. correct me) can't be bought by civilians (they have gun powder) and they screw you for the price and to reload (one & done)

Check out "Phazzer" same idea as a Taser- shoots barbs, rubber, OC and a Taser has 50-55k volt Phazzer (1st shot) has 65k volt

And yes, I've heard that bear spray is the best thing to carry if you can, because of the much larger size and effective distance of the can. Granted, I also read somewhere that a can of wasp spray is better yet, but don't remember why. I think it had something to do with no one will question a can of wasp spray sitting on your desk in the city, but a can of bear spray...

[MrPrena]

Big ole can of Bear Spray (from Bass Pro) dropped my 285# drunk cousin on a dare...

"Tasers" (L.E. correct me) can't be bought by civilians (they have gun powder) and they screw you for the price and to reload (one & done)

Check out "Phazzer" same idea as a Taser- shoots barbs, rubber, OC and a Taser has 50-55k volt Phazzer (1st shot) has 65k volt

Old Tasers (before the Air taser 34000) had powders on them and was classified as firearm.
OLD Tasers such as Tasertron TE-95, TF-76/A, (TE and TF series) are classified as firearm, and had to go through FFL.

Modern Tasers such as M26/C M18/L , X26/C, C2, X2, X3 just use compressed nitrogen.
Only reason I "know" about taser real well is because my former employer use to cover their company since mid2001(initiated).

As you mentioned Phazzer and Stinger from Karbon arms are alternative to Taser products.

[kidicarus13]

Don't know where you got that but I could go all day, until the battery runs out.


LE Tasers will not "stack" time. Now after the person on the wrong end is done taking the initial 5 second ride you can pull the trigger again for another 5 second ride and so on until the battery is dead. Maybe that's what you're talking about.

[strm_trpr]

LE Tasers will not "stack" time. Now after the person on the wrong end is done taking the initial 5 second ride you can pull the trigger again for another 5 second ride and so on until the battery is dead. Maybe that's what you're talking about.

I don't know where you got your info but the LEO Tasers will stack if you hold down the trigger and keep it down it will go till the batteries die (at least mine does). Many LEO have gotten in trouble for this.

[kidicarus13]

I don't know where you got your info but the LEO Tasers will stack if you hold down the trigger and keep it down it will go till the batteries die (at least mine does). Many LEO have gotten in trouble for this.

I'm guessing we have experience with different versions. From Taser publication published January 2012:

5‐Second Discharge Cutoff and Trigger Reactivation Necessity for an X2 ECD with an APPM.

The X2 ECD may be programmed with an optional automatic shut‐down feature (the APPM) that will stop a continual trigger discharge at 5 seconds (even if the user continues to hold back the trigger) and require an additional trigger pull by the user for an additional cycle.

[DingleBerns]

I don't know where you got your info but the LEO Tasers will stack if you hold down the trigger and keep it down it will go till the batteries die (at least mine does). Many LEO have gotten in trouble for this.

Yup.

[SA Friday]

If you want to look at the two Tasers previously mentioned, we carry them at Grand Prix Guns.

They still won't let me tase our gunsmith. They all really want me to do it though. [Coffee]

[clublights]

Never researched OC at all, but several of you mention Fox Labs. What is better, the cone fog or stream? I realize a stream requires more aim, but wouldn't the cone fog result in more blowback in your own face too?

Depend on use...

I prefer and only carry Fox 5.3 in stream .. Stream gives you a longer shot but is easier to miss since the stream is tight there is some over spray but I like it better for gettign close and personal so others are not contaminated.

fog does put up a nice wall as well as get good coverage on a target that few would want to advance thru.

Fox 5.3 drops almost EVERYONE. I've only seen 2 people really continue the fight after taking a decent shot of Fox 5.3. Myself and one crazy drunk russian.... I still won he went to jail I went home LOL.
Saber and the rest are good for flavoring my burritos. ( yes we have tried) also the Fox seems to hit faster and harder then other sprays.

Also it is strong enough to cause chemical style burns. I had a can get broken in my back pocket ( me and a barback were drunk and wrestling after hours) my ass cheek burned for damn near a week ! LOL

Tho I've not tested it personally the Fox Labs Mean Green is pretty interesting .. I wish they would make a Mean Green - 5.3 hybrid .... that would be pure evil in a can .

[Bitter Clinger]

Think I will look at OC fox spray. " Less " aiming involved, I really think it was her neighbor, no one tried to force entry, just tried sticking his key in her lock and tried to open the door. Me and already dont see eye to eye over his damn dog. One mean SOB that USED to get into her yard, it killed one of her little dogs. One day I was there it jumped the fence when I was weeding her garden and came at me, I guess a shovel to the face hurts......the dog is now tied up lol, that dude was pissed, not cause I hit his dog......cause I called the cops. He had a bench warrant hahaha!

[kwando]

+1 for foxlabs here as well. I bought some sudicon decontamination wipes a long time ago with a buddy to try to test the stuff out.... we pussed out!

someone needs to start a ar-15.co GTG with some foxlabs, sudicon wipes, and video cameras. LOL

[MrPrena]

+1 for foxlabs here as well. I bought some sudicon decontamination wipes a long time ago with a buddy to try to test the stuff out.... we pussed out!

someone needs to start a ar-15.co GTG with some foxlabs, sudicon wipes, and video cameras. LOL


I am all up for it, as long as I do the sprayin' :D

[clublights]

+1 for foxlabs here as well. I bought some sudicon decontamination wipes a long time ago with a buddy to try to test the stuff out.... we pussed out!

someone needs to start a ar-15.co GTG with some foxlabs, sudicon wipes, and video cameras. LOL

The Decon wipes help A LOT... go from 20-30 mins to recover to 5-10 mins really helps kill it fast I was surprised and quite happy ( a fellow bouncer hit me dead in the face while breaking up a fight .. oops )