View Full Version : Looking to move the .22LR Steel Dogs Match to the Colorado Rifle Club
Mark P. (who is the Match Director several matches at the Colorado Rifle Club) and I spoke on the phone a few days ago and he proposed that, since we don't know if we will be able to renew this event at WHAC, that we move it to CRC. The course of fire will remain nearly identical to how we had been shooting it except that we may need to reduce the farthest target to 200 yards (instead of 225yd).
Because of my job, I find it difficult to join you folks on the 3rd Saturday of the month. If it were only up to me, the easiest day to shoot it is on the 2nd Sunday of the month (which Mark told me that is available at CRC) nonetheless I would like to get everyone's input on this.
We all know that CRC is a little bit farther out than WHAC but I believe that this event is fun enough that it is worth the drive. So the first thing that I would like us to talk about is "will the extra driving miles keep you from joining us or will you make the drive and come shoot with us?" The other question is "will the 2nd Sunday work for you or would a different day be better?" On this last point, keep in mind that CRC already holds some great matches and some of the ranges which we can use may be already booked for another event.
What do you think?
Snowman78
05-31-2013, 13:15
I will make the drive and I am open for whatever day! My brother is also looking to join the fun!!
Cy, thanks for working on keeping the 22lr match going elsewhere.
2nd Sunday works.
I was talking to Steve and Tom about this at the IDPA match last Saturday and we agreed we were all going to try and get together and get this moved to CRC. I am a bember there and would be happy, with the help of some others, to head this up. MarkCO and/or Cy please get in touch with me and we can work out logistics. Personally if we can do it on a Saturday I would think that would be better, I know it is for me.
Sunday would be awesome I miss all the matchs because I work Saturdays
spongejosh
05-31-2013, 16:57
The longer drive wouldn't stop me. The 2nd Sunday works for me too. I'd miss a couple matches for work but I wouldn't have to rearrange my Saturdays .
Sunday would be a great day for me.Thanks Cy.
Sunday is out for me.
I would like to go out to CRC at some point and check out the facilities.
Typically not home on Sundays but if I was I would be willing to make the drive. Saturdays work better though
Sunday is out for me.
I would like to go out to CRC at some point and check out the facilities.
CRC is a pretty amazing place. Apart from being half way to Kansas, which is the joke in my house (I'm going to Kansas tonight...).
200 yards with a 22 rimfire? How can you not like that unless you expect me to hit something smaller than the ground? I could see two Saturdays and a Sunday every month at CRC (not counting the odd mid-week pilgrimage); might gain a shooter with the move.
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-02-2013, 01:33
Once you make the drive a few times, it goes by really fast. I went up four days straight during the Noveske Match and it seems like a short commute now. I'm a member there and I haven't been able to make matches much because of the kids games. I'd like to help out any way that I can.
CRC isnt that far from Colorado Springs either. I drive east to Limon and then backtrack.
Hopefully the new match date wont be a conflict for any Pueblo matches.
CRC is an easy drive from my house. Exactly 50 miles from my driveway to the gate.
GentlemanArcher
06-02-2013, 08:37
This was the first match I ever shot in. Everyone was welcoming and patient. For selfish reasons, I would vote for 2nd Saturday though, as Boulder Rifle Club holds a nice steel match on the 2nd Sunday. ( I know it will be impossible not to conflict with other matches somewhere)
Thanks again for finding a way to make things happen. Good stuff for sure.
Just as an FYI, the 1st Saturday and the 4th Sunday are not possible @ CRC since those are the only matches that would use the new 200 yards berm. All other dates are open sans for major matches. 3rd and 4th Saturday have matches that are close in style elsewhere. To get a date that conflicts with nothing else is impossible.
The 2nd Saturday is USPSA pistol, the 3rd Saturday is Steel Challenge and the 4th Saturday is the precision rifle match. There is not a conflict there except people who want to shoot both. 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Sunday are open.
I guess it would be possible to do a split match with a group setting up Saturday afternoon and shooting and then a group shooting Sunday morning and picking up. There are probably not enough people to justify that for the first few matches, however, this style has seen large growth and based on what I have heard from some CRC members, there would be some new folks added to the ones who have enjoyed the WHAC match. Might get some spillover from the other early Saturday matches too. It does however push the notion of using the 2nd weekend and then just deciding if it is Saturday or Sunday and then if it warrants, down the road making a split match. It sounds like there are enough people interested in both days.
Sunday is out for me.
I would like to go out to CRC at some point and check out the facilities.
You know you are welcome to go with me any time pal!
I guess it would be possible to do a split match with a group setting up Saturday afternoon and shooting and then a group shooting Sunday morning and picking up.
Interesting concept... Definitely something to consider. I like how you think! :Thumbs_Up:
Why dont we try and shoot for the second Saturday. I woudlnt imaging that to many of the folks shooting in the .22 match will also be shooting USPSA pistol match
Why dont we try and shoot for the second Saturday. I woudlnt imaging that to many of the folks shooting in the .22 match will also be shooting USPSA pistol match
I don't think that is going to work for a few folks who regularly shoot this match. The problem is that the 2nd Saturday is Clear Creek IDPA and this match pulls in A LOT of shooters.
Snowman78
06-04-2013, 18:46
Well this weekend is the 2nd Sat & Sun in June, so lets make it happen!!!!
Well this weekend is the 2nd Sat & Sun in June, so lets make it happen!!!!
I will be doing my new member orientation at CRC this weekend and, soon after, I will talk with Mark to see if we can put a match on the calendar.
Snowman78
06-18-2013, 15:21
Cy and or Mark
So is everything set for the .22LR Steel Dogs at CRC?
Is the consensus 2nd Saturday?
Snowman78
06-18-2013, 18:17
That works for me, but Sunday also works. So whatever
Is the consensus 2nd Saturday?
I received a few emails of folks who are not members of the CO-AR15 forum and, after tallying up those numbers along with what folks here posted, it seems like most people would prefer that we hold the match on the 2nd Sunday. If that works with the schedule at CRC, we can move forward with this match and get something on the calendar for July 14.
Edited to add: It seems as though many folks who shoot Long Range Precision Rifle Matches (like the Center Fire Steel Dogs at Pueblo) would like to test out their .22LR trainers. Most of those matches are Saturday which is the reason why they all voted for a Sunday match instead.
JM Ver. 2.0
06-18-2013, 19:24
Oh wow. If this is moved to Sunday I can actually go!
Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
While the actual range is open on the 2nd Sunday, there are two .22 rifle matches (sometimes 3) at CRC on the 2nd Sunday already. So, for the members of the club who want to try this, the 2nd Sunday is about the worst date.
Is 1st, 3rd or 4th Sunday an option for you Cy?
If not, we can try for the 2nd Sunday.
Actual request to CRC BOD has been sent to run a trial match.
Just let me know and I will do what I can to help out with it
Mark, if we work this and if folks help set up and clean up does that work count towards the work bond there?
Just let me know and I will do what I can to help out with it
Mark, if we work this and if folks help set up and clean up does that work count towards the work bond there?
Yes. We typically use a few free matches for those who actually run the match, but set-up and tear down certainly go towards your workbond in both cases.
While the actual range is open on the 2nd Sunday, there are two .22 rifle matches (sometimes 3) at CRC on the 2nd Sunday already. So, for the members of the club who want to try this, the 2nd Sunday is about the worst date.
Is 1st, 3rd or 4th Sunday an option for you Cy?
If not, we can try for the 2nd Sunday.
Actual request to CRC BOD has been sent to run a trial match.
Sadly, my other three Sundays are already taken with USPSA matches. I don't want to be difficult but, if at all possible, I would prefer to try to run it on the 2nd Sunday.
We will try for the 2nd Sunday then. That would be July 14th.
We will try for the 2nd Sunday then. That would be July 14th.
Yay! I am excited.
It's been so long since I have shot my CZ that I am going to have to re-DOPE my rifle.
Okay, it is on the CRC calendar.
July 14th. Sight in at 8, set-up at 9:30, shoot at 10am. $10/gun, Juniors free. Pretty much everything the same except a different piece of ground.
Can someone post a description of the match? I've never been to .22 dogs match, but it sounds like fun.
I'd bring a shooting mat if you have one as the berm has just been completed...
From the original match description...
.22LR Steel Dogs Match will take place every 2nd Sunday of the month (weather permitting) at 9:00am at the Colorado Rifle Club, Byers, CO.
We will be engaging ten steel prairie dog target measuring approximately 6” high by 2.5” wide at distance ranging from 35 yards to 150 yards and we will have four separate strings of fire. On all four strings the shooters will begin the course of fire in their desired shooting position (from the bench or prone) with their rifle loaded with a maximum of 10 rounds and the rifle's action closed.
We will have two separate divisions: Scoped Rifle (no magnification limit) and Open Sights (post & notch or peep sights).
The cost of this match is only $10 per rifle. You may shoot up to a total of two rifles but one must be scoped and the other an open sights rifle.
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String No. 1: On signal, the shooter will engage 10 targets in ascending order with one round each. The targets will be set at: 35yd (35pt), 50yd (50pts), 65yd (65pts), 80yd (80pts), 90yd (90pts), 100yd (100pts), 110yd (110pts), 120yd (120pts), 135yd (135pts) and 150yd (150pts). You will have a maximum of 3 minutes to engage all targets. The clock stops when you have fired your 10th shot (fired at the 150yd target). If you hit your intended target, you will get their assigned point value; if you miss it or if you hit a target out of order, you just don't gain any points (no penalty for misses).
String No. 2: On signal, the shooter will engage 10 targets in descending order with one round each. Starting with the 150yd target and ending on the 35yd target. You will have a maximum of 3 minutes to engage all targets. The clock stops when you have fired your 10th shot.
String No. 3: On signal, you must hit all 10 targets in ascending order. If you hit your intended target with your first shot, you get its full point value. If you don't hit it on your first shot but you hit it on the second shot, you receive 50% of the points. If you don't hit it on the second shot and you hit it on the third shot, you receive 25% of its value. If you don't hit your intended target on your third shot (or if you skip it), you will not receive that target's points value and you must continue shooting the next farthest target. You can bring to the line as many magazines as you deem necessary but each magazine can only be loaded with a maximum of 10 rounds each. You will have a maximum of three minutes for this string of fire.
String No. 4: On signal, you will have one minute to rack up as many points as you can. You can engage the targets in any order you like but you can only engage each target once. If you hit it on your first shot, you get the target's full point value. If you miss it, you must engage a different target. Whether you hit or miss, you cannot engage the same target a second time.
In case of a tie, the shooter with the shortest cumulative time (for all four strings of fire) will get the win.
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<IMPORTANT> This match is intended only for .22LR rifles (semi-auto or bolt action). <IMPORTANT>
PLEASE NOTE THAT .22 Mag, .17HMR, .17HM2, or any other rim fire or center fire cartridge WILL NOT BE ALLOWED.
Can someone post a description of the match? I've never been to .22 dogs match, but it sounds like fun.
In addition to what MarkCO posted, we also added a 5th string of fire in which we load our rifles with 10 rounds and, with that amount of ammo only, we engage one target at 175yd, 200yd & 225yds. This is something of a bonus round and it is also very fun to watch a .22lr bullet travel such a long distance. Since our new berm at CRC only goes out to 200yds we will have to modify this string a bit but we'll make sure it is still both fun and challenging for all.
Here is a short video that shows a competitor shooting String #3. As you notice, 3 minutes is plenty of time to hit all targets; it all comes down to how well you can call the will.
All in all, this match is hoot and I look forward to having all you folks join us on July 14. Thanks again to MarkCO for making this happen!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVIneRqRWyk
Man Im excited to get this going again!!
USMC88-93
06-20-2013, 23:51
I'm a member of CRC if this is happening on Sundays I am likely to be a participant.
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I'm assuming this will be on the .22 range, correct?
I'm assuming this will be on the .22 range, correct?
I hope that is not the case because, to the best of my knowledge, the .22LR range only goes out to 100 meters. I think that we are going to try to hold it at the Shutzen range or at the new 200 yd berm being built by the east pistol berms. Nonetheless, we'll have to wait to hear back from MarkCO to know for certain.
The .22 range is longer than 100 I believe But yes the Scheutzen range would work too
JM Ver. 2.0
06-21-2013, 10:07
I'm all excited and stuff.... I want to come try my hand at this stuff... I just gotta get the ol' .22 sighted in.... Gotta find a decent supply of ammo first though...
Gotta find a decent supply of ammo first though...
What brand of ammo does your rifle like best?
It's official. The match is in the CRC calendar of events and we will be shooting it on the 200yd East Range.
I will be posting a message on this board a few days before the match and I will also send an email to those of you whom have shot it before.
See you on July 14.
JM Ver. 2.0
06-21-2013, 22:32
What brand of ammo does your rifle like best?
I couldn't tell you.... never took it past 50 yards. It's going to be fun!
Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
I couldn't tell you.... never took it past 50 yards.
If you find them, try some CCI Standard Velocity ammunition. These seem to work really well on most people's rifles and they are easier to find than Wolf, Lapua, SK and other brands of ammunition.
What I can say is that, if you can find Standard or Subsonic velocity .22LR ammunition, your accuracy will be better at the longer ranges.
See you on the July 14.
The match call has been posted and I will be sending an email soon: http://www.ar-15.co/threads/110137-CRC-22LR-Steel-Dogs-Match?p=1224963#post1224963
Snowman78
07-13-2013, 16:53
Can't wait! see you guys tomorrow.
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