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ChunkyMonkey
05-31-2013, 16:36
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Former MN Gov. Ventura wants to add widow to suit against Navy SEAL Chris Kyle
Article by: JEAN HOPFENSPERGER (http://www.startribune.com/bios/10645071.html) , Star Tribune
Updated: May 30, 2013 - 9:52 PM
Ventura claims that damages from slain ex-SEAL Chris Kyle’s “American Sniper” continue.
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Former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura is setting his legal sights on the widow of a former Navy SEAL he had sued for defamation.
Lawyers for Ventura have asked a federal court to continue his lawsuit against Chris Kyle — who was killed in February by a young veteran he was mentoring — by substituting Kyle’s wife, Taya, as the defendant. Ventura last year sued Kyle, a decorated former SEAL and author of “American Sniper,” claiming that the book’s description of a California bar fight defamed him.
“Although Kyle is deceased, his ‘American Sniper’ book continues to sell and it is soon to be made into a movie,” said Ventura’s motion, filed last week by Minneapolis (http://www.startribune.com/topics/places/minneapolis.html) attorney David Bradley Olsen.
Ventura’s lawyers said his claims survive Kyle’s death, and “it would be unjust to permit the estate to continue to profit from Kyle’s wrongful conduct and to leave Governor Ventura without redress for ongoing damage to his reputation.”
On Wednesday, Taya Kyle’s attorney filed a response to the motion, writing that Ventura’s move “comes as a disappointment, but no surprise.”
“Continuing this action will serve no useful purpose,” wrote Kyle’s attorney, John Borger of Minneapolis, “and likely will promote public perception of Jesse Ventura as someone who has little or no regard for the feelings and welfare of surviving family members of deceased war heroes.”
A hearing is slated for June 17 in U.S. District Court in Minneapolis.
In a section of his book called “Punching Out Scruff Face,” Kyle describes a confrontation with a “celebrity” at a 2006 wake for a Navy SEAL. He claimed “Scruff Face” made disparaging remarks about the war, the United States and President George W. Bush, provoking Kyle to punch him in the face.
Although he didn’t name “Scruff Face,” Kyle later acknowledged in media interviews that he was describing Ventura.
After his book was published in January 2012, Kyle became a celebrity in his own right. “American Sniper” became a best seller, landing him interviews on talk shows such as “The O’Reilly Factor” and “Late Night With Conan O’Brien.”
Ventura sued, claiming that the confrontation never occurred and that he never said any of the remarks attributed to him. The remarks and ongoing publicity were injuring his reputation, said the suit, which also accused Kyle of “unjust enrichment” — making money at Ventura’s expense.
The suit was moving through court when Kyle was killed. He had brought a Marine reservist whom he was mentoring to a Texas firing range, where the young man shot and killed him.
Now the book could reach an even bigger audience. Blockbuster filmmaker Steven Spielberg announced this month that he would direct the movie version of “American Sniper.”
But the suit didn’t end. Soon after Taya Kyle filed legal documents this month confirming that she is executor of her husband’s estate, Ventura’s attorneys filed the motion to continue the suit under her name.
Kyle’s attorneys responded this week that there is no proof that Ventura has suffered “substantial and real damages” and that Ventura would better improve his public image “by taking the high road and declining to continue this lawsuit.”Jean Hopfensperger • 612-673-4511
What an ass!
Jeffrey Lebowski
05-31-2013, 16:38
What an ass!
Wow. x2 on that!
http://www.startribune.com/local/167764165.html
Andrew Paul, a reservist Navy SEAL, said he notified Mansoor's family about his death and helped carry his body off the plane.
"I grew up watching [the movie] 'Predator' and professional wrestling. I thought it would be cool to meet 'The Body,'" he said.
But Ventura's behavior that night revolted him, Paul said. "He was saying the wrong things in the wrong place at the wrong time. In my opinion, he was being as anti-American as you can possibly get. Now, he would probably argue that he was being very American by challenging the government, but for a bunch of guys who had just laid their lives on the line for their country and who were at a wake for their fallen comrade, he's lucky the punch to the face is all he got."
Most of those swearing out declarations said they didn't see Kyle hit Ventura, but claim they saw the commotion and the aftermath as Kyle took off and Ventura clambered up from the ground with blood on his face.
Jeremiah Dinnell, an active-duty SEAL, was the exception.
"I heard Ventura say that we shouldn't be over in Iraq, doing what we were doing," he said. "And then he said that the SEALs deserved to lose some guys because of what we were doing.
"That's when Chris punched him. All of us wanted to. Chris was just the first one to pop him."
Jesse "the ass hat" Ventura is now going after Chris Kyle's (RIP) widow? [Mad]
Wow. x2 on that!
Big +3
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Ventura is such a "has been", just can't believe he'd stoop this low just to get his name back into mainstream headlines. What a pile of camel [pileoshit]. Ventura needs to go deepthroat a cactus.
buffalobo
05-31-2013, 17:33
Wanna be tough guy gets his ass kicked and then cries foul. Imagine that. What a chump, hope Kyles wife/estate have grounds for counter suit.
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Tinelement
05-31-2013, 17:44
I used to live up in that region when he was elected. It was a breath of fresh air.
Since then, the has gone way down hill.
Asshole.
ImNtUrBuddyGuy
05-31-2013, 19:43
Jesse Ventura is a tinfoil hat wearing loon.
I used to live up in that region when he was elected. It was a breath of fresh air.
Since then, the has gone way down hill.
Asshole.
Ditto.
Bailey Guns
05-31-2013, 20:01
Guys like Chris Kyle are better men, even in death, than Ventura can even imagine being.
What a joke, freaking asshole.
Disgusting.
Dammit.... another one to add to my list of nightly prayers for rectal cancer. My list is getting too long and I'm falling asleep in the middle of it...
Well, he's had a year to think it over, and has decided to go ahead with the lawsuit against Kyle's estate.
He somehow figures a lawsuit against a murdered hero will somehow "clear his name?"
Someone should have him tested to determine if he is competent to file a lawsuit.
Absolute douche!
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20140706-jesse-ventura-s-defamation-suit-over-american-sniper-chris-kyle-s-book-heads-to-court.ece
http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20130718-sniper_author_lawsuit_31679904.jpg.ece/BINARY/w620x413/SNIPER_AUTHOR_LAWSUIT_31679904.JPG
ZERO THEORY
07-09-2014, 14:03
Ventura got outed as a spineless shithead before this ordeal, too. On an Opie & Anthony appearance, he tried to get tough with short, fat, unathletic comedian Jimmy Norton. After Jimmy refused to back down from Ventura's puffed up chest, he stormed out of the show while making threats.
EDIT: Meltdown starts around the 25 and ends at the 30 minute marks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci8ZissZfc0
kidicarus13
07-09-2014, 15:45
Ventura got outed as a spineless shithead before this ordeal, too. On an Opie & Anthony appearance, he tried to get tough with short, fat, unathletic comedian Jimmy Norton. After Jimmy refused to back down from Ventura's puffed up chest, he stormed out of the show while making threats.
EDIT: Meltdown starts around the 25 and ends at the 30 minute marks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci8ZissZfc0
I'll side with Jesse the Body on this clip at 25-30 minutes. Never heard of Jimmy Norton before now and I won't be listening to him in the future. As far as Ventura v. Kyle... anyone can sue anyone for anything. Welcome to America. It's not right but it's our system.
While on the subject of Jesse the D-bag Ventura, a former SF soldier calls him out!
http://clashdaily.com/2014/07/green-beret-slams-jesse-ventura-youre-dirtbag-imposter-never-f-k-fellow-operators-family/
Makes me wonder if all the bumps he took in the ring might have messed him up. A lot of those pro wrestlers would get multiple injuries, to include concussions, but couldn't afford the time off the road to heal up. Most of these guys have had it way worse than NFL players did.
I hope that Kyle's widow kicks Ventura in the nuts as a reminder from Chris.
I have no words.
[facepalm]
Well, he's had a year to think it over, and has decided to go ahead with the lawsuit against Kyle's estate.
He somehow figures a lawsuit against a murdered hero will somehow "clear his name?"
Someone should have him tested to determine if he is competent to file a lawsuit.
http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20130718-sniper_author_lawsuit_31679904.jpg.ece/BINARY/w620x413/SNIPER_AUTHOR_LAWSUIT_31679904.JPG
Ventura looks like the Crypt Keeper with that fracking hair................
Makes me wonder if all the bumps he took in the ring might have messed him up. A lot of those pro wrestlers would get multiple injuries, to include concussions, but couldn't afford the time off the road to heal up. Most of these guys have had it way worse than NFL players did.
Makes you wander, almost night and day Ventura has gone. Watch PREDATOR with him as BLAIN then look at him now. Unbelievable and I lost all respect for him when he went all conspiracy theorist way back. This crap with this lawsuit I now hope Karma will kick him in the ass hard. No respect for at all.
The lawsuit originally all started because of his name's mention in Chris's book right? About a meeting in a bar or something and he was all a super pansy after starting some shit with Chris who called him out?
The lawsuit originally all started because of his name's mention in Chris's book right? About a meeting in a bar or something and he was all a super pansy after starting some shit with Chris who called him out?
Yep. Ventura denies it, but Kyle claimed to have laid him out for talking trash and saying he was a SEAL, when in reality, Ventura was never assigned to any SEAL unit, he was UDT, which back then was a separate thing.
ZERO THEORY
07-10-2014, 07:42
The incident actually went as follows: Kyle and various members of his team were at a local bar toasting for a memorial to a fallen brother in arms. Ventura was there and was audibly denouncing the actions of the armed forces. Kyle said he approached him and asked him to save it for another time, as there was a widow and various family members present. Kyle and Ventura exchanged words, with Ventura continuing to make a point of the illegitimacy of US foreign policy in the war, then allegedly told Kyle, "You guys deserved to lose a few."
Kyle then allegedly laid him out with a single punch. Law enforcement was also in the vicinity, and Kyle asserted that he then left the scene. This was all discussed in HIS appearance on the Opie & Anthony show in his own words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhjHWovwix4
osok-308
07-10-2014, 08:06
IIRC, in Kyle's book, he didn't mention Ventura by name. He gave some nickname for him instead of saying "I punched out Jesse Ventura". Jesse's name was already in the mud before Chris Kyle wrote his book. If you really were a SEAL, you would have the common decency to not try to sue a fellow SEAL's family. Which is one of the many reasons nobody believes that he was a SEAL.
clublights
07-10-2014, 09:55
If he was a SEAL what was this BUD/S Class number? Unless he DOR'ed on his first day someone will remember him .. and if he did DOR on the first day ... he was never a SEAL anyways.
ZERO THEORY
07-10-2014, 11:06
If he was a SEAL what was this BUD/S Class number? Unless he DOR'ed on his first day someone will remember him .. and if he did DOR on the first day ... he was never a SEAL anyways.
"Ventura served in the United States Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy) from December 1, 1969, to September 10, 1975, during the Vietnam War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War) era. He graduated in BUD/S (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BUD/S) class 58 in December 1970[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Ventura#cite_note-12) and was part of Underwater Demolition Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_Demolition_Team) 12[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Ventura#cite_note-Military_People:_Jesse_Ventura-4)[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Ventura#cite_note-http-13)"
Excellent read:
Jesse "The Great Pretender" Ventura (http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/1999/dec/02/jesse-great-pretender-ventura/#)
So there it is. Does Jesse trade on the valor of others when he pretends to have been a seal? He styles himself an honest, uncomplicated man: what you see is what you get. He should set the record straight. Hell, nothing to be ashamed of about having been a frog. UDTs have a noble tradition. When Jesse was a frog, they jumped out of airplanes, locked out of submarines, and blew shit up. But frogs didn’t often fight and die like seals did in Nam. 34:1.
"Ventura served in the United States Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy) from December 1, 1969, to September 10, 1975, during the Vietnam War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War) era. He graduated in BUD/S (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BUD/S) class 58 in December 1970[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Ventura#cite_note-12) and was part of Underwater Demolition Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_Demolition_Team) 12[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Ventura#cite_note-Military_People:_Jesse_Ventura-4)[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Ventura#cite_note-http-13)"
Technically yes, technically no. Back then UDT had not yet merged with the SEALs and usually saw less combat and took fewer casualties. Before 1983 (when UDT and SEALs both became one) UDT was not the same as the SEALs and did not wear the SEAL Trident. Further, Ventura never served in Vietnam, no combat, no deployment. He doesn't rate by comparison to Kyle.
ZERO THEORY
07-11-2014, 07:14
Technically yes, technically no. Back then UDT had not yet merged with the SEALs and usually saw less combat and took fewer casualties. Before 1983 (when UDT and SEALs both became one) UDT was not the same as the SEALs and did not wear the SEAL Trident. Further, Ventura never served in Vietnam, no combat, no deployment. He doesn't rate by comparison to Kyle.
No, absolutely not. He was stationed in the Philippines, I believe. What makes it even more disgusting is his pseudo-Hemingway quote about "you haven't hunted until you've hunted man" when he never did anything of the sort.
So a jury decided to give Jesse 1.8 million.
http://news.yahoo.com/jury-awards-ventura-1-8m-defamation-case-182537224.html
PugnacAutMortem
07-29-2014, 14:42
I have a hard time believing that if the defense witnesses couldn't get their story straight enough to convince even half of the jury, let alone only 2 of them. Don't know Kyle, don't know Ventura...but I would be willing to lean towards that this incident didn't actually happen. Or at the very least it didn't happen the way either side said it did.
Mick-Boy
07-29-2014, 14:47
This is yet another reminder that there is no such thing as right and wrong or truth and lies anymore. There are only lawyers and money.
We've got members on this board that said in effect that Kyle had it coming because he carried a gun for a living at one time in his life.....
Rooskibar03
07-29-2014, 15:07
You've got to be kidding me. Hope Jesse takes a tumble down a tall flight of stairs.
TheBelly
07-29-2014, 15:32
Mr. Ventura believed that irreparable harm would come to his reputation because of the book. I dont' think the harm came from the book. I'm pretty sure that the reason he has 'suffered' harm is because of his weirdo conspiracy theories and general idiocy. The lawsuit was the final nail in the coffin. At least to me it was.
For those with a FB account check out the posts to his wall.
Hard to believe this BS....
This is yet another reminder that there is no such thing as right and wrong or truth and lies anymore. There are only lawyers and money.
We've got members on this board that said in effect that Kyle had it coming because he carried a gun for a living at one time in his life.....
There is right and wrong, and truth and lies, just not in the court system; which is...ironic.
I hope that 1.8 m helps you (and your scum bag lawyers) find some peace Jesse! You and your boys are all Pricks!
To prove a defamation case is VERY DIFFICULT. I'm willing to be that Kyle's attorneys didn't have a leg to stand on.
To be quite honest, when I heard Kyle talk about the incident on Opie and Anthony, he seemed to be rather dishonest. I never really believed the story to begin with based on his body language.
That said, it would be a righteous thing if Ventura returned the $$$ back to Mrs. Kyle or refused to take it.
There's nothing righteous about Jesse Ventura-ooo, maybe he can now sue me. He's a classless nut job of the first order. I'm sure he'll be a big hit with any future BUD/S classes-not. Whatever he eventually ends up with I hope he chokes on it. He's a bitter old man that's lost his mind. Too bad there was no way to sue him for all his false claims over the years. Rot in hell James George Janos-his real name.
kidicarus13
07-29-2014, 20:31
You can have opinions on who you like more or think is more honorable but since none of us were there...
As if we needed any more proof that Ventura who incorrectly claims to have been a SeAL is a sack of shit with no honor...
PugnacAutMortem
07-29-2014, 20:54
To prove a defamation case is VERY DIFFICULT. I'm willing to be that Kyle's attorneys didn't have a leg to stand on.
To be quite honest, when I heard Kyle talk about the incident on Opie and Anthony, he seemed to be rather dishonest. I never really believed the story to begin with based on his body language.
Thank you for making my point more eloquently than I did. I too got a dishonest vibe from the guy. But as kidicarus stated, we weren't there so we can't know what went down.
hollohas
07-29-2014, 22:02
Who cares if it happened or not? No amount of "I punched a dude in a bar and by the way he was Gov. Ventura" is worth a $1.8M settlement. Especially when the guy being accused of defamation is dead.
Who cares if it happened or not? No amount of "I punched a dude in a bar and by the way he was Gov. Ventura" is worth a $1.8M settlement. Especially when the guy being accused of defamation is dead.
This^
funkymonkey1111
07-30-2014, 09:22
Who cares if it happened or not? No amount of "I punched a dude in a bar and by the way he was Gov. Ventura" is worth a $1.8M settlement. Especially when the guy being accused of defamation is dead.
this was a verdict, not a settlement.
hollohas
07-30-2014, 09:40
this was a verdict, not a settlement.
Semantics. My mistake in terminology doesn't change the argument I made in the post.
Ventura wasn't even present for the verdict. It wasn't unanimous either. Both attorneys agreed to go with out a unanimous decision.
Delfuego
07-30-2014, 10:11
This is yet another reminder that there is no such thing as right and wrong or truth and lies anymore. There are only lawyers and money.You my friend, could have been a philosopher...
muddywings
07-30-2014, 10:46
For those with the facebook thingy, Marcus Luttrel doesn't have anything to formally say about this:
https://www.facebook.com/The.Official.Marcus.Luttrell.Fanpage
And the prick continues to play the victim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0gtibVQ_Do
SuperiorDG
07-30-2014, 14:21
Poor bastard
https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/p75x225/10441182_10202248182029304_1887726695452750414_n.j pg
Anyone catch the end remark?
He's going after the book publisher next.
XC700116
07-30-2014, 15:00
He's a classless prick, always has been and always will be, nuff said
He repeatedly states that Taya Kyle's fees were being paid by insurance. However, there's this:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/30/ventura-mixed-emotions-about-defamation-suit-win/
Ventura lawyer David Bradley Olsen told reporters his reading of HarperCollins’ insurance policy is that its carrier will cover all damages and costs of defending against the lawsuit.“This money does not come out of a widow’s pocket; it comes from an insurance company,” Olsen said.
Ventura reiterated that on “CBS This Morning.”
“Taya Kyle had all of her attorney fees paid by insurance. I did not. I incurred two and a half years of lawyer fees that I have to pay to clear my name, and she had insurance paying everything for her,” he said.
But attorney John Borger, who represented Kyle in her capacity as executor of Chris Kyle’s estate, said Tuesday that insurance won’t cover everything. He said it will cover the $500,000 awarded for defamation, but not the $1.3 million for unjust enrichment.
“All of that comes directly from money that Taya and Chris received from royalties or whatever assets the estate may have,” he said.
Borger also asserted that under the law, the $1.3 million part of the jury’s award is only advisory and the final determination will be up to U.S. District Judge Richard Kyle, no relation to the author. He also said they will be considering all their legal options “in the days and week to come,” including a possible appeal.
Let me preface this with saying, I'm not a Ventura fan in any stretch of the imagination...But I'm even less of a Kyle fan and I'll tell you why.
You all seem to be pissed at Ventura for suing Kyle for an obvious fabrication of the truth..... And maybe rightly so.
#1 I've never believed his Ventura story after watching his body language on the interview and this lawsuit just confirmed my suspicions. The "knocking out Ventura" story is not the first dubious tale that he's said.... Remember the story about killing two carjackers at a gas station??? Nobody can verify that including the local police department. No police reports, records, news stories, nothing...
And most of all, Kyle gloats about killing other human beings. Justified or unjustified, you don't gloat about taking the life of another human.
I know people that have killed people, civilians and military and they don't talk about it, as they should.
http://m.nationalreview.com/article/384176/justice-jesse-ventura-was-right-his-lawsuit-j-delgado
This is actually a really good article on the whole thing.
There's a lot of misinformation going around. The biggest being that Ventura sued the widow.
Legally, I'm on Ventura's side. But, I think after Kyle died, he should have backed off a little bit.
Either way, it's pretty much over now.
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funkymonkey1111
07-31-2014, 18:49
wait a second--i read in this very thread he wasn't a SEAL. You mean that's a load of crap?
wait a second--i read in this very thread he was suing Kyle's wife. You mean that's a load of crap, too?
http://m.nationalreview.com/article/384176/justice-jesse-ventura-was-right-his-lawsuit-j-delgado
This is actually a really good article on the whole thing.
There's a lot of misinformation going around. The biggest being that Ventura sued the widow.
Legally, I'm on Ventura's side. But, I think after Kyle died, he should have backed off a little bit.
Either way, it's pretty much over now.
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Ventura was a SEAL.
He didn't sue the wife specifically. He sued the estate, of which, Ms. Kyle was executor.
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And he didn't really sue the estate. He sued Kyle personally before he died. After he died the lawsuit shifted to the estate. Which is 100% normal.
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Ventura was a SEAL.
Which SEAL team was the douche a member of?
And he didn't really sue the estate. He sued Kyle personally before he died. After he died the lawsuit shifted to the estate. Which is 100% normal.
When you're a douche!
Which SEAL team was the douche a member of?
Underwater demo team 12.
When you're a douche!
I didn't say he wasn't a douche. I have reasons for thinking he's a douche, but not because of his lawsuit.
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Underwater demo team 12.
Not a SEAL team then?
Not a SEAL team then?
Still a seal team. He still graduated from bud/s. Basic underwater demo/seal training. So, still more training than 99% of us will ever have.
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Let me preface this with saying, I'm not a Ventura fan in any stretch of the imagination...But I'm even less of a Kyle fan and I'll tell you why.
You all seem to be pissed at Ventura for suing Kyle for an obvious fabrication of the truth..... And maybe rightly so.
#1 I've never believed his Ventura story after watching his body language on the interview and this lawsuit just confirmed my suspicions. The "knocking out Ventura" story is not the first dubious tale that he's said.... Remember the story about killing two carjackers at a gas station??? Nobody can verify that including the local police department. No police reports, records, news stories, nothing...
And most of all, Kyle gloats about killing other human beings. Justified or unjustified, you don't gloat about taking the life of another human.
I know people that have killed people, civilians and military and they don't talk about it, as they should.
Are you aware of Governor douche stating this on air:?
"And I'll just tell you this: Until you've hunted man, you haven't hunted yet, Because you need to hunt something that can shoot back at you to really classify yourself as a hunter. You need to understand the feeling of what it's like to go into the field and know your opposition can take you out. Not just go out there and shoot Bambi."
In January 2002, the douche - although he had never outright claimed combat service in Vietnam, but heavily suggested it - disclosed that he had not seen combat. He was stationed at Subic Bay in the Philippines, and for this he received the Vietnam Service Medal, given to all military personnel who supported the war effort even though stationed outside South Vietnam
A quick search comes up with UDT Team 12 and SEAL Team 1. Not a fan of Ventura, but am also bothered by Kyle claiming all the proceeds from the book would go to fallen vets' families while it seems he had no intention of following thru with it.
The link in post #26 is an entertaining/informative read, and thoroughly explains the difference between SEAL and UDT, and where the douche served his time.
Here it is again: Jesse "The Great Pretender" Ventura (http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/1999/dec/02/jesse-great-pretender-ventura/#)
A quick search comes up with UDT Team 12 and SEAL Team 1. Not a fan of Ventura, but am also bothered by Kyle claiming all the proceeds from the book would go to fallen vets' families while it seems he had no intention of following thru with it.
I'm bothered by it too. Especially the reasoning behind why that his wife gave.
I think what this whole thing is is a case of two liars calling each other out.
Kyle has been documented lying as has Ventura.
Just because one served with great honor does not make him a saint.
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I guess I'm old school, in my circle (and I'm NOT one, but know and worked with a few) a SEAL is one who continued on after BUD/S for the additional 26 weeks of SEAL training, completed it and was assigned to a Team. The douche (sorry to steal the title but it works) did NOT. As pointed out, assigned to UDT Team 12, yet as recent as yesterday morning on the morning news interview said he was a SEAL. If Chris Kyle lied-I'm pretty good at reading body language but can't tell from the short vid I saw with the radio guys if he did-any lies died with him. Douche will continue to lie every chance he gets. I'm done with this, anything he gets I hope he chokes on.
Aloha_Shooter
07-31-2014, 21:48
Not a SEAL team then?
Well, here's what Brandon Webb of SOFREP had to say about that:
http://sofrep.com/36086/truth-jesse-venturas-navy-seal-status
I’ve heard the speculation and gossip about Jesse Ventura’s Navy SEAL status and wanted to set the record straight. Jesse Ventura graduated with Basic Underwater Demolition Class 58 and, like it or not, he earned his status. Some say he’s a UDT (Underwater Demolition Team), and not a “SEAL,” but that’s bullshit.
Others have seen the flaw in this analogy, and mentioned in private SEAL forums, “try telling that to a WWII UDT veteran who swam ashore before the landing craft on D-Day.” The UDT’s and SEALs are essentially one and the same. It’s why the UDT is still part of the training acronym BUD/S (http://navyseals.com/buds/) (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL).
Like it or not, Jesse Ventura is a Navy SEAL. He did the pushups and put up with the cold water, just like the rest of us.
Webb's not sympathetic to Ventura, neither am I. On the other hand, a public figure like Ventura winning a defamation suit is nearly unheard of (as has been pointed out). A public figure winning the suit against the estate of a verified war hero ... yeah, you would have got long odds against that in Vegas so the jury saw something that swayed them despite having a young widow crying on the stand.
It's a shame if Kyle exaggerated a bit and got caught in a web of distortions, but that takes nothing away from the fact that he put his life on the line for his country many many times.
It's a shame Taya Kyle has been slow to distribute the proceeds from his book to other surviving families but she just lost her husband last year. I'm willing to bet she still spends nights crying.
It's a shame Ventura is an obnoxious prick but being a blowhard doesn't mean he deserves to be libeled as someone who said the SEALs "deserved to lose some".
There were no winners in this case but the case started at the Opie & Anthony show when Kyle named Ventura as the guy who defamed fellow vets and warriors.
Nice!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-31FL0KqGckM/Uf_wZeASEdI/AAAAAAAAEMc/TNUQI_77Zvs/s1600/LSAT+Blog+Online+LSAT+Logical+Reasoning+Video+Cour se.png
But still not a SEAL
I'm curious how this case has become to blame the victim(plaintiff) and not the defendant simply because he was a war hero.
Right is right and wrong is wrong in my book and the way I see it Jesse gave Kyle the oportunity to retract and make and apology in lieu of a lawsuit and Kyle made his decision. And now the jury has spoken.
The facts are that Kyle used this story to promote his book and it worked like a charm. His family has made millions of $$$$ of which was partly due to saying untrue and libelous things about a famous person.
But NO. You guys call the victim a douche, asshole, faggot, piece of shit, and anything else you can come up with simply because the offender in this case happens to be a super duper ultra elite bad mother fucka operator that can do no wrong.
Blind worshipers the bunch of you are....
I actually find it rather disturbing that some of you address NONE of the findings in the lawsuit and of Kyle's character and instead talk shit about a man that had made millions on destroying Jesse's character. Like him or hate him, his character was defamed and the jury agreed.
Now lets see if Kyle's widow can actually donate all those millions like they promised instead of the measly 2%
Whistler
08-01-2014, 07:33
We had a UD Team when I was stationed at Site One, they didn't call themselves SEALs. [Dunno] I don't know what Ventura was but it's pretty clear what he is.
Great-Kazoo
08-01-2014, 08:15
We had a UD Team when I was stationed at Site One, they didn't call themselves SEALs. [Dunno] I don't know what Ventura was but it's pretty clear what he is.
In boot, 1974 (Navy) you could try out for the UDT/Seals as they were called. 2 guys who lived in my neighborhood were UDT/Seals. However that Seals designation had morphed in to a new style of training than they had back in 62 & 64.
hollohas
08-01-2014, 08:22
...talk shit about a man that had made millions on destroying Jesse's character. Like him or hate him, his character was defamed and the jury agreed.
Do you really think ANY of the people that purchased this book did so because of the story about Mr. Scruff Face?? Kyle didn't make millions on destroying Ventrua's character...he made millions because he wrote a compelling book of which an extremely small percentage contained the story about Ventura and none of it actually included his name. It's reported that $1.3M of the award was for unjust enrichment. Which to me means that the jury believed $1.3M of the profit they received from book sales were due directly to the apparently false story about Ventura. That's simply BS.
It's much more likely that ZERO people purchased the book because of the minor story about Ventrua and therefore ZERO of the award should have been due to unjust enrichment. Or at the very most, the unjust enrichment award should be the same percentage as how many of the 525 pages in the book reference the false story.
Let's say there are 10 pages about this bar fight. The book made $3M in royalties by the last figure I have read. That would be $57k in unjust enrichment. This $1.3M is absolutely overboard.
Award Ventura some money for defamation = fine. (Although I personally disagree with the suit). But Kyle's estate should absolutely not be be guilty of $1.3M worth of unjust enrichment regarding this case.
And one thing is absolutely clear. Ventura has successfully tarnished his own name during and after this court case a HELL of a lot more than Kyle did with this book or his interviews.
Do you really think ANY of the people that purchased this book did so because of the story about Mr. Scruff Face?? Kyle didn't make millions on destroying Ventrua's character...he made millions because he wrote a compelling book of which an extremely small percentage contained the story about Ventura and none of it actually included his name. It's reported that $1.3M of the award was for unjust enrichment. Which to me means that the jury believed $1.3M of the profit they received from book sales were due directly to the apparently false story about Ventura. That's simply BS.
It's much more likely that ZERO people purchased the book because of the minor story about Ventrua and therefore ZERO of the award should have been due to unjust enrichment. Or at the very most, the unjust enrichment award should be the same percentage as how many of the 525 pages in the book reference the false story.
Let's say there are 10 pages about this bar fight. The book made $3M in royalties by the last figure I have read. That would be $57k in unjust enrichment. This $1.3M is absolutely overboard.
Award Ventura some money for defamation = fine. (Although I personally disagree with the suit). But Kyle's estate should absolutely not be be guilty of $1.3M worth of unjust enrichment regarding this case.
And one thing is absolutely clear. Ventura has successfully tarnished his own name during and after this court case a HELL of a lot more than Kyle did with this book or his interviews.
I think a lot of people that didn't know who Chris Kyle was did buy the book because of the Ventura story.
Like it or not, Jesse Ventura is, and always will be, a bigger name than Chris Kyle.
Why? Because the majority of Americans don't give two shits about who Chris Kyle is.
But they do know who Jesse "The Body" Ventura is. They know that he ain't got time to bleed. They know that he can body slam in the ring and in the Government. They know!!!
In summary, the Ventura story damn well sold books. Lots of books.
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hollohas
08-01-2014, 09:42
I think a lot of people that didn't know who Chris Kyle was did buy the book because of the Ventura story.
If this was true than Jesse Ventura's books would be better sellers than Kyle's but they don't even come close.
Rucker61
08-01-2014, 12:27
I think a lot of people that didn't know who Chris Kyle was did buy the book because of the Ventura story.
Why would anyone buy the book for the Ventura story when you could read it in 5 or 10 minutes sitting around Barnes and Noble with a cup of coffee? I read the book twice and don't even remember any part of the bar fight story. It would have been the least interesting part of the book, anywany
Aloha_Shooter
08-01-2014, 12:34
hollohas, IIRC, one of the points Ventura's lawyers brought up that affected the award was that Kyle's own publicist gloated about how the Ventura story caused sales to spike. You really need to think the lawyers brought up some serious evidence when an unsympathetic plaintiff wins an award like this against a sympathetic defendant. There's a lot of denial and blind hero worship for Kyle but the more I look at the evident facts of the case, the more I begrudgingly support Ventura's side of it. I still think the man is an obnoxious egomaniac but his detractors are acting as extreme and panic-stricken as Morse's defenders were last year.
I am not picking a side, but this article has good analysis of the legal issues:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/384176/justice-jesse-ventura-was-right-his-lawsuit-j-delgado
Also here is the link for ventura's SEAL Status: http://sofrep.com/36086/truth-jesse-venturas-navy-seal-status/
Jesse Ventura, former NAVY Seal (yes, he really was (http://sofrep.com/36086/truth-jesse-venturas-navy-seal-status/)), pro-wrestler, Minnesota governor, and TV host, prevailed Tuesday in his defamation suit against the late Navy SEAL Chris Kyle. A jury awarded Ventura $1.845 million stemming from a passage in Kyle’s 2012 book American Sniper, in which Kyle recounts a 2006 fight inside a bar after a fallen serviceman’s wake. Kyle wrote that he and his group encountered a character named “Scruff Face,” who insulted George W. Bush, slammed the Iraq War, and even added the horrific sneer that SEALS “deserved to lose a few.” A fight ensued and, according to Kyle, “being level-headed and calm can last only so long. I laid him out. Tables flew. Stuff happened. Scruff Face ended up on the floor.” He added that Scruff Face reportedly had a black eye the next day.
Kyle should have perhaps left it at that. But during his book tour stop on the Opie and Anthony show, he identified “Scruff Face” as none other than Jesse Ventura. He repeated the claim again in another interview with Fox News.. . . . . .
[FONT=Times New Roman]Jesse Ventura, former NAVY Seal (yes, he really was (http://sofrep.com/36086/truth-jesse-venturas-navy-seal-status/)), pro-wrestler, Minnesota governor, and TV host...
...and douche bag.
Sent from my electronic leash.
Still a seal team. He still graduated from bud/s. Basic underwater demo/seal training. So, still more training than 99% of us will ever have.
False. I have a few buddies who are retired and current SEALs. Prior to 1983 UDTs and SEALs were still two different things. It's kinda like Rangers and SAPPERs for those who are familiar with the Army branches. UDT/SEAL training back in the 60's (When Ventura aka Douchenozzle went through) was the same, they still did BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training), but once assigned to either a SEAL team or a UDT they were separate entities. UDT did not have the same missions as SEALs, UDT suffered far less casualties (not deaths, casualties in that context also means injuries), saw much less combat, and did not deploy on the same operational tempo as the SEALs. Further, regardless of what Ventura says, he did not wear a SEAL Trident on his uniform, he did not deploy to Vietnam (as the Vietnam Vet I know who DID deploy with SEAL Team 2 said if you were with a platoon on team 1 or 2 you deployed if you weren't in training).
Call what you will, estate or not, Ventura did pursue a lawsuit against a widow, regardless of the nomenclature or legal-speak you want to use, once Kyle died, the lawsuit should have been dropped. Only a massive douche would sue the "estate" (read: widow) of a fallen hero. The only good thing Jesse Ventura gave us was his over-the-top masculine lines from Predator. That's it. For all I care, he can go eat a massive bag of dicks.
funkymonkey1111
08-01-2014, 14:45
of course, the sad thing to all of this is that (1) Kyle gained is notoriety fighting on behalf of one set of dirtbag muslims against another; and, (2) whatever assistance his shooting did for that set of dirtbag muslims was for naught at this point.
There is a petition to remove James George Janos AKA Jesse Ventura from the UDT Seals Association.
http://maritimetacticalsecurity.com/Documents/PetitionToUdtSEALAssociation.pdf
False. I have a few buddies who are retired and current SEALs. Prior to 1983 UDTs and SEALs were still two different things. It's kinda like Rangers and SAPPERs for those who are familiar with the Army branches. UDT/SEAL training back in the 60's (When Ventura aka Douchenozzle went through) was the same, they still did BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training), but once assigned to either a SEAL team or a UDT they were separate entities. UDT did not have the same missions as SEALs, UDT suffered far less casualties (not deaths, casualties in that context also means injuries), saw much less combat, and did not deploy on the same operational tempo as the SEALs. Further, regardless of what Ventura says, he did not wear a SEAL Trident on his uniform, he did not deploy to Vietnam (as the Vietnam Vet I know who DID deploy with SEAL Team 2 said if you were with a platoon on team 1 or 2 you deployed if you weren't in training).
Call what you will, estate or not, Ventura did pursue a lawsuit against a widow, regardless of the nomenclature or legal-speak you want to use, once Kyle died, the lawsuit should have been dropped. Only a massive douche would sue the "estate" (read: widow) of a fallen hero. The only good thing Jesse Ventura gave us was his over-the-top masculine lines from Predator. That's it. For all I care, he can go eat a massive bag of dicks.
You haven't read any of the links and posts have been cited in here, have you?
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I think both Mrs. Kyle and Ventura will be just fine. News this morning is books are flying off the shelves after the case ended. Maybe now the fallen vets' families will also benefit.
trlcavscout
08-01-2014, 16:14
Ventura is a puss bag. But the whole mess is fucked up. Hopefully the wife and family makes 10 times what they would have and hopefully Ventura dies in a fiery crash before he recieves any money. My opinion is once Kyle died the douchebag should have dropped the suit, bit that's just my opinion.
Ventura is a puss bag. But the whole mess is fucked up. Hopefully the wife and family makes 10 times what they would have and hopefully Ventura dies in a fiery crash before he recieves any money. My opinion is once Kyle died the douchebag should have dropped the suit, bit that's just my opinion.
^^^What he said.
Marcus Luttrell was just on Fox. Got the sense he is troubled by everything that has gone down. But, he says Ventura was a SEAL, is his senior, and this thing is over.
Great-Kazoo
08-01-2014, 21:25
damn 2-3 more replies and it will be giving the PWT a run for the money.
damn 2-3 more replies and it will be giving the PWT a run for the money.
And furthermore.......:)
Hell the pickup thread has 15 pages. And I thought the real answer was obvious. Real men ride horses....need to haul something, get a mule or hitch a wagon. Learned all that by watching Saturday westerns when I was a kid.
Do you really think ANY of the people that purchased this book did so because of the story about Mr. Scruff Face?? .
Yes.... Yes I do. And the publisher agrees with me. Sorry to bust your bubble.....
http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_26124728/jesse-ventura-trial-bar-fight-story-sold-books
Once again, more people FAILING TO READ ALL 3 PAGES OF THIS LINK
Here it is in all its glory: http://m.nationalreview.com/article/384176/justice-jesse-ventura-was-right-his-lawsuit-j-delgado/page/0/1
All you little butt hurt worshipers need to realize that your war hero lied and made some shit up. And he got sued for it and lost.
Nothing else matters. Not Jessie's not being a SEAL by technicality, or what he said about his service, or what he's done in his life. What matters is what Kyle wrote in his book and what he did to promote that book.
You guys are on the wrong side of the equation on this one... Sorry...
[ROFL2]
Feel-good story of the day:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3639241/Court-vacates-1-8M-Ventura-award-American-Sniper-case.html
A federal appeals court on Monday threw out a $1.8million judgment awarded to former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura, who says he was defamed in the late author Chris Kyle's bestselling book 'American Sniper.'
The majority of the three-judge panel reversed the unjust-enrichment award, saying it fails as a matter of law.
The majority also vacated the defamation award, but sent that portion of the case back to court for a new trial.
Martinjmpr
06-13-2016, 13:39
[ROFL2]
Feel-good story of the day:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3639241/Court-vacates-1-8M-Ventura-award-American-Sniper-case.html
Beautiful. Chris Kyle scores a kill from beyond the grave. [ROFL1]
GOOD!!!!
Sorry Jessie but no easy payday as expected.
BPTactical
06-13-2016, 14:42
Dear Jesse,
Suck Start a Shotgun
BOOM! Headshot!
:) This outcome pleases me.
KevDen2005
06-13-2016, 15:59
This is a little uplifting
Singlestack
06-15-2016, 06:44
Great outcome for a total Dbag! I fully expect this will be the final decision here as the Supremes won't hear this case.
stevenc23
06-15-2016, 17:28
Don't know either party. Have no skin in the game. What I do know is there are ALWAYS 2 sides to every story.
Here is an interesting read giving a different perspective:
http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/the-body-slammed-20141230
I wonder what his lawyers think about this. Talk about scum!
This douche bag deserves to be countersued.
Martinjmpr
06-15-2016, 20:41
Janos (Ventura) sued Kyle for fabricating a story which is pretty ironic considering that Janos himself has been embellishing or outright lying about his military service for decades.
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/1999/dec/02/jesse-great-pretender-ventura/
Note that his article precedes the Kyle suit by more than a decade.
As for Kyle, I salute his service but he had a penchant for telling tall tales, too. Read the book, I would call it "ok" but not great. As for the movie the only thing you can say is that it was better than "The Hurt Locker."
Janos (Ventura) sued Kyle for fabricating a story which is pretty ironic considering that Janos himself has been embellishing or outright lying about his military service for decades.
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/1999/dec/02/jesse-great-pretender-ventura/
Note that his article precedes the Kyle suit by more than a decade.
As for Kyle, I salute his service but he had a penchant for telling tall tales, too. Read the book, I would call it "ok" but not great. As for the movie the only thing you can say is that it was better than "The Hurt Locker."
This. During a week of crappy news it was good to hear about Janos getting his suit tossed.
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