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mikedubs
06-05-2013, 19:48
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order
Why go to so much trouble to secretly collect data to make us safer?
Why of course...it's not actually about all that.
KestrelBike
06-05-2013, 19:49
Find your limits, peeps.
blacklabel
06-05-2013, 19:54
I need to ditch Google and Verizon.
Great-Kazoo
06-05-2013, 20:21
They want to listen have at it. With a collection of tax stamps i doubt they're not the only .org
cmailliard
06-05-2013, 20:38
I need to ditch Google and Verizon.
Google is actually one of the better companies when it comes to handing over user info and data. They refused until a judge ordered them to do so. Apple and others will hand it over with just a smile and a wink. Unfortunately most companies use their data for making more money and that can cross a thin line at times, if they get caught they apologize and move on, but how many times are they not getting caught. Some companies are better than others when it comes to your info and who they will turn it over to. If this Verizon thing is true, yeah it is scary, not because it is Verizon, but because of who is doing it = .gov
Rooskibar03
06-05-2013, 20:48
If you don't think every text, email, call, and web search isn't already recorded and saved I've got a bridge to sell you.
Hello, giant NSA server farm in Utah.
BushMasterBoy
06-05-2013, 21:36
it is all about the money and the power...largest source of income on the planet...the US taxpayer...it is .gov of the people, no more!
Great-Kazoo
06-05-2013, 21:45
it is all about the money and the power...largest source of income on the planet...the US taxpayer...it is .gov of the people, no more!
Eventually everyone will either work for, or be supported by, the government.
Doesn't surprise me in the least bit.
Just another piece of freedom their taking a bite out of.
All under the guise of public safety.And what is sad is the public readily hands their freedoms over.
It's been in the works for a while.
We know what healthcare you need.We know guns are bad.We know how much soda you should drink.We know what news you should read.
The list goes on.And each day their getting bolder and taking another bite.
Soon they will outright come out and say you have no more rights-you gave them to us..
Stalin could not be prouder....
Close so very scary close....
Zundfolge
06-05-2013, 22:00
I guarantee you that EVERY telecom company has bent over and grabbed the ankles for this administration, not Verizon.
If Americans weren't worthless, weak, cowardly children this would not only push them to impeachment, this would push them to drive Obama and his ilk to the nearest Esso station.
This is the third place in the last 10 minutes I've said something similar ... I wonder if I'll get audited by the IRS now.
You're probably being "audited" by DHS right now. I'm sure I've got a little file going somewhere at various alphabet agencies.
Casually whistles and flips the bird their way...
Jeffrey Lebowski
06-05-2013, 22:20
The bad news is these are government employees doing the data mining.
The good news is these are government employees doing the data mining.
Hahahahahahahaahahaha...... lmao. That was good. :-)
KestrelBike
06-06-2013, 00:34
The bad news is these are government employees doing the data mining.
The good news is these are government employees doing the data mining.
LOL expertly done.
Eventually everyone will either work for, or be supported by, the government.
That's already the case. The government has no money without taking from the productive. Anyone supported by "the government", is simply receiving the redistribution of the wealth produced by others, minus of course the huge bite from government overhead. If nobody is working in the private sector, there's no money to redistribute.
Ask the former Soviet Union how well that works when there's a disincentive to being productive.
HoneyBadger
06-06-2013, 07:18
If you don't think every text, email, call, and web search isn't already recorded and saved I've got a bridge to sell you.
Hello, giant NSA server farm in Utah.
As someone who works for the government... Yes.
they have been collecting everything for years now
http://neoformix.com/2009/Sep11PagerData.html
RblDiver
06-06-2013, 07:35
I get the urge to go make a ton of crank calls to terrorists right now.
"Excuse me, is your refrigerator running?" "We don't have one in this tiny cave!" "Oh...never mind then."
Uberjager
06-06-2013, 08:29
I, for one, welcome our new totalitarian overlords.
rockhound
06-06-2013, 08:35
Sucking up are we
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-06/reminder-att-verizon-and-others-have-been-providing-nsa-phone-records-2001
On May 11, 2006, USA Today published an article reporting that AT&T, Verizon, and Bellsouth had been providing the NSA with the telephone records of “tens of millions of Americans” since shortly after September 11, 2001. Called “the largest database ever assembled in the world” by the newspaper’s source, its purported goal was to “‘create a database of every call ever made’ within the nation’s borders.”
:)
If you don't think every text, email, call, and web search isn't already recorded and saved I've got a bridge to sell you.
Hello, giant NSA server farm in Utah.
There's also an NSA facility in AZ at the Army Intelligence HQ... many think everything is done at the big black building in MD, how wrong they are.
The NSA list of hit terms is very long, and some of it is not even nefarious at face value. Scary stuff. Privacy is a farce. And the whole NSA/Verizon thing, Lindsey Graham (RINO!!!) is perfectly cool with it. [facepalm]
sellersm
06-06-2013, 09:47
Who needs NSA facilities? They just put "rooms" directly into the backbone fiber: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-06/nsa-att-and-secrets-room-641a
Here's a snippet from the article:
Room 641A is located in the SBC Communications building at 611 Folsom Street, San Francisco, three floors of which were occupied by AT&T before SBC purchased AT&T. The room was referred to in internal AT&T documents as the SG3 [Study Group 3] Secure Room. It is fed by fiber optic lines from beam splitters installed in fiber optic trunks carrying Internet backbone traffic and, as analyzed by J. Scott Marcus, a former CTO for GTE and a former adviser to the FCC, has access to all Internet traffic that passes through the building, and therefore "the capability to enable surveillance and analysis of internet content on a massive scale, including both overseas and purely domestic traffic." Former director of the NSA’s World Geopolitical and Military Analysis Reporting Group, William Binney, has estimated that 10 to 20 such facilities have been installed throughout the nation.
The room measures about 24 by 48 feet (7.3 by 15 m) and contains several racks of equipment, including a Narus STA 6400, a device designed to intercept and analyze Internet communications at very high speeds.
The very existence of the room was revealed by a former AT&T technician, Mark Klein, and was the subject of a 2006 class action lawsuit by the Electronic Frontier Foundation against AT&T.[5] Klein claims he was told that similar black rooms are operated at other facilities around the country.
Room 641A and the controversies surrounding it were subjects of an episode of Frontline, the current affairs documentary program on PBS. It was originally broadcast on May 15, 2007. It was also featured on PBS's NOW on March 14, 2008. The room was also covered in the PBS NOVA episode "The Spy Factory".
There is so much more to this, this is just the tip of the iceberg. As fitting for an episode from Atlas Shrugged, there are corporations that are "getting their way" with lobbying the .g0v agencies, which is leading to these kinds of warrants, court orders, breaches, etc. It's mind-boggling and incredibly sad at the same time.
Yay Patriot Act? [facepalm]
Someone tell me how this is about AR-15s?
mikedubs
06-06-2013, 10:15
If you don't think every text, email, call, and web search isn't already recorded and saved I've got a bridge to sell you.
Hello, giant NSA server farm in Utah.
Oh I'm aware of that. What is interesting is that this is a Verizon specific court order. Are there similar ones for Sprint, TMobile, etc? Are these restricted to one carrier as opposed to getting a blanket court order that applies to ALL cell carriers in the US?
sellersm
06-06-2013, 10:27
Someone tell me how this is about AR-15s?
It's about that phone call you made a while ago, and electronic discussion, about that new AR you acquired without a bgc in a private, fully legal, FTF sale! [Coffee]
It's my opinion that this has NOTHING to do with the Patriot Act, public safety or anything else, but instead about protecting certain corporations' assets and interests (no, not the telecoms), and promoting the new 'war on cyber terrorism' (which will then lead to more legislation that erodes freedoms and shreds what's left of our founding documents).
Someone tell me how this is about AR-15s?
In the immortal words of David Spade: "Hi, I'm Earth, have we met?"
BushMasterBoy
06-06-2013, 10:49
I wonder what Obama will do in his third term of office...
Google is actually one of the better companies when it comes to handing over user info and data. They refused until a judge ordered them to do so. Apple and others will hand it over with just a smile and a wink. Unfortunately most companies use their data for making more money and that can cross a thin line at times, if they get caught they apologize and move on, but how many times are they not getting caught. Some companies are better than others when it comes to your info and who they will turn it over to. If this Verizon thing is true, yeah it is scary, not because it is Verizon, but because of who is doing it = .gov
You beat me to it. I would add to this but I think 'they' are watching...
I wonder what Obama will do in his third term of office...
Third term? President for life.
Need to lighten this up: Open Letter from Obama to Verizon customers (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/06/a-letter-to-verizon-customers.html)
love the letter asmo!
what do you guys expect. freedom of speech isn't even very free anymore. say what you want, but if you say too much you will be watched closely.
Need to lighten this up: Open Letter from Obama to Verizon customers (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/06/a-letter-to-verizon-customers.html)
:) Pretty good.
sellersm
06-06-2013, 13:12
Need to lighten this up: Open Letter from Obama to Verizon customers (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/06/a-letter-to-verizon-customers.html)
[ROFL1]
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