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bogie
06-13-2013, 13:16
Now the taxman is outgunning the public....

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/jeff-duncan-irs-rifle-training-92662.html?hp=f2


Rep. Jeff Duncan wants to know why IRS law enforcement agents are training with AR-15 rifles.
As chairman of the House Homeland Security oversight subcommittee, Duncan (R-S.C.) toured a federal law enforcement facility in late May and noticed agents training with the semi-automatic weapons at a firing range. They identified themselves as IRS, he said.
“When I left there, it’s been bugging me for weeks now, why IRS agents are training with a semi-automatic rifle AR-15, which has stand-off capability,” Duncan told POLITICO. “Are Americans that much of a target that you need that kind of capability?” (PHOTOS: 10 slams on the IRS (http://href.li/?http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013/05/10-slams-on-the-irs/001026-014541.html))
While Duncan acknowledges that the IRS has an enforcement division, he questions if that level of firepower is appropriate when they could coordinate operations with other agencies, like the FBI, especially in a time of austerity.
“I think Americans raise eyebrows when you tell them that IRS agents are training with a type of weapon that has stand-off capability. It’s not like they’re carrying a sidearm and they knock on someone’s door and say, ‘You’re evading your taxes,’” Duncan said.
Given the increased scrutiny amid the agency’s targeting of political groups and excessive spending, Duncan said, he intends to seek answers from the IRS.
“We’ll ask the questions and hopefully they can justify it. And if not, we’ll bring them in front of the committee for a hearing and ask the questions on the record,” he said.
In a statement, the IRS defended the training.
“As law enforcement officials, IRS Criminal Investigation Special Agents are equipped similarly to other federal, state and local law enforcement organizations. Special Agents receive training on the appropriate and safe use of assigned weapons. IRS Criminal Investigation has internal controls and oversight in place to ensure all law enforcement tools, including weapons are used appropriately,” the IRS said.
(PHOTOS: 8 key players in IRS scandal story (http://href.li/?http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013/05/8-key-players-in-irs-scandal-story/001038-014689.html))
The agency included a link to its enforcement website (http://www.irs.gov/uac/Criminal-Investigation-%28CI%29-At-a-Glance), where annual reports show IRS investigations and convictions of crimes ranging from offshore bank accounts, to Medicare fraud, to money laundering and drug trafficking operations.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/jeff-duncan-irs-rifle-training-92662.html#ixzz2W7kDuGKg

Mtn.man
06-13-2013, 13:18
But they aren't bullet proof.

MrPrena
06-13-2013, 13:23
Soon, it will be SEC.

Better learn how to shoot, before they go to law school. [LOL]

Bailey Guns
06-13-2013, 13:41
I guess if I was an IRS agent, especially in the age of Obamacare, I'd wanna know how to shoot, too. It could be getting really dangerous out there for those guys.

[panic]

Mtn.man
06-13-2013, 13:53
I guess if I was an IRS agent, especially in the age of Obamacare, I'd wanna know how to shoot, too. It could be getting really dangerous out there for those guys.

[panic]

Specially if ya shows up at a farm in da middle of no wheres with lots of hogs, and uh...

waxthis
06-13-2013, 14:15
Specially if ya shows up at a farm in da middle of no wheres with lots of hogs, and uh...

Nah, middle of the night, not a chnace. They're to busy with hookers and coke, think they were only trained on AR-15's?............[LOL]

rockhound
06-13-2013, 14:45
WTF is "stand off capability"

bogie
06-13-2013, 15:07
WTF is "stand off capability"

LOL kind of funny wording.


Standoff: A social confrontation or conflict, such as an impasse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impasse), stalemate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalemate), or Mexican standoff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_standoff)


I think he meant "WTF reason would the IRS have to surround a home with agents at 'standoff' distance"

Bailey Guns
06-13-2013, 15:21
Agent over bullhorn: "Mr Smith! Just step away from your private health care plan and no one has to get hurt. Come outside peacefully and sign up for Obamacare. We're here to help you."

kc06lj
06-13-2013, 15:43
Agent over bullhorn: "Mr Smith! Just step away from your private health care plan and no one has to get hurt. Come outside peacefully and sign up for Obamacare. We're here to help you."

Sounds very "Atlas shrugged" like.

Squeeze
06-13-2013, 16:00
So the next time some Liberal POS feels the need to invade my private space and ask me "why do I need an AR-15". I'll tell them, "Because the f**king IRS is training with them."

Mtn.man
06-13-2013, 16:12
If they can have em I can have em.

Mtn.man
06-13-2013, 16:21
You can keep your foil, I am dressing differently.

http://www.ar500armor.com/images/detailed/0/AR500_armor_banshee_armorpackage.jpg

Squeeze
06-13-2013, 18:06
You can keep your foil, I am dressing differently.

http://www.ar500armor.com/images/detailed/0/AR500_armor_banshee_armorpackage.jpg
^ This.

Mtn.man
06-13-2013, 18:27
Type III Armor will defeat rifle rounds up to 7.62x51/.308 @ 2780 ft/s.Recent testing provided good results against Federals XM855/SS109 Penetrator Round (Green Tip 5.56). We fired 7 rounds at 15 yards within a 2.5" group and experienced no penetration.

MrPrena
06-13-2013, 18:48
Those things are really heavy, but I would rather take AR500 w/ linex than some few yr old ceramic.



You can keep your foil, I am dressing differently.

http://www.ar500armor.com/images/detailed/0/AR500_armor_banshee_armorpackage.jpg

trlcavscout
06-13-2013, 20:53
I have worked on IRS raid vehicles even back in the mid 90's, nothing new.

Mtn.man
06-13-2013, 20:58
irs loses 300million every year, 80% of employees owe Millions in back taxes, they can' find half of their files,,,,

So look for them to lose the new weapons, no one will know where they went and then they will take the 5th to get out of any investigation.

TheGrey
06-13-2013, 23:12
The agency included a link to its enforcement website (http://www.irs.gov/uac/Criminal-Investigation-%28CI%29-At-a-Glance), where annual reports show IRS investigations and convictions of crimes ranging from offshore bank accounts, to Medicare fraud, to money laundering and drug trafficking operations.


Gee, and here I thought that's why we had the Secret Service and Homeland Security. Whoda thunk that the IRS actually did all the work behind money laundering and drug trafficking operations?

zteknik
06-13-2013, 23:23
The agency included a link to its enforcement website (http://www.irs.gov/uac/Criminal-Investigation-%28CI%29-At-a-Glance), where annual reports show IRS investigations and convictions of crimes ranging from offshore bank accounts, to Medicare fraud, to money laundering and drug trafficking operations.


Gee, and here I thought that's why we had the Secret Service and Homeland Security. Whoda thunk that the IRS actually did all the work behind money laundering and drug trafficking operations?
That's because the IRS didn't get their cut..

TheGrey
06-13-2013, 23:30
That's because the IRS didn't get their cut..

[AR15]

Audit takes on a whole new meaning....