H&K

[UrbanWolf]

I kept hearing people say H&K borderline on an anti-gun mentality. I never see anything from them directly. But anyone with more experience know about that?

[HBARleatherneck]

HKs position on owning the MP71a


‎”…the MP71A is unavailable to civilians and for good measure. We all know that’s technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of.”

Then, in response to a Seth Young’s Facebook comment on the matter b

“Like we mentioned before, the MP7A1 is unavailable to civilians and for good reason. We all know that’s technology no civies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of. It is made to put down scumbags, and that’s it. Mike Cabrera of Heckler & Koch Law Enforcement (http://skimlinks.pgpartner.com/mrdr.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fskimlinks.pgpartner.com% 2Fsearch.php%2Fform_keyword%3Dlaw%2Benforcement) Sales and veteran law enforcement officer with SWAT unit experience points out that this is a gun that you do not want in the wrong, slimy hands. It comes with semi-automatic and full-auto firing modes only. Its overall size places it between a handgun and submachine gun. Its assault rifle capabilities and small size make this a serious weapon that should not be taken lightly.”

[UrbanWolf]

HKs position on owning the MP71a


‎”…the MP71A is unavailable to civilians and for good measure. We all know that’s technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of.”

Then, in response to a Seth Young’s Facebook comment on the matter b

“Like we mentioned before, the MP7A1 is unavailable to civilians and for good reason. We all know that’s technology no civies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of. It is made to put down scumbags, and that’s it. Mike Cabrera of Heckler & Koch Law Enforcement (http://skimlinks.pgpartner.com/mrdr.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fskimlinks.pgpartner.com% 2Fsearch.php%2Fform_keyword%3Dlaw%2Benforcement) Sales and veteran law enforcement officer with SWAT unit experience points out that this is a gun that you do not want in the wrong, slimy hands. It comes with semi-automatic and full-auto firing modes only. Its overall size places it between a handgun and submachine gun. Its assault rifle capabilities and small size make this a serious weapon that should not be taken lightly.”

Where was this published? Funny how a German company don't know what civilian disarmament means.

[HBARleatherneck]

it was on recoil magazine. but, its all over the internet now.

http://monderno.com/monderno/recoil-magazine-and-the-second-amendment/

this was last year.

recoil magazine probably lost all but two of their readers over the fallout.

[SAnd]

It goes back a while-

An open letter to the gun community from HK’s marketing department:
In a world of compromises, some people put the bullets in the magazine backwards…But it doesn’t matter, because our gun is on the cover of the Rainbow Six video games. Look how cool that SEAL coming out of the water looks… If you buy a $2,000 SOCOM, you will be that cool of an operator too. And chicks will dig you.
At HK, we stuck a piston on an AR15, just like a bunch of other companies have done, dating back to about 1969. However ours is better, because we refuse to sell it to civilians. Because you suck, and we hate you.
Our XM8 is the greatest rifle ever developed. It may melt, and it doesn’t fit any accessories known to man, but that is your fault. If you were a real operator, you would love it. Once again, look at Rainbow Six, that G36 sure is cool isn’t it? Yeah, you know you want one.And by the way, check out our new HK45. We decided that humans don’t need to release the magazine with their thumbs. If you were a really manly teutonic operator, you would be able to reach the controls. Plus we’ve fired 100,000,000 rounds through one with zero malfunctions, and that was while it was buried in a lake of molten lava, on the moon. If you don’t believe us, it is because you aren’t a real operator.
By the way, our cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns like the G3 and MP5 are the bestest things ever, and totally worth asinine scalpers prices, but note that cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns from other countries are commie garbage. Not that it matters, because you’re civilians, so we won’t sell them to you anyway. Because you suck, and we hate you, but we know you’ll be back. We can beat you down like a trailer park wife, but you’ll come back, you always do.
Buy our stuff.

Sincerely
HK Marketing Department.
Because you suck. And we hate you.
[Coffee]

I think it started when they refused to support or sell any parts for NFA stuff to private citizens.

[ringhilt]

SAnd,

Best commentary on HK I've read in a long time. Never been a fan of HK. I'm not sure who they are designing guns for. But is sure isn't for the normal sized human.

Also isn't the MP7 that sub gun chambered in a goofy cartridge? Not quite a rifle cartridge but only mildly more powerful than a handgun cartridge. Good idea, but poor caliber choice. Just like the FN P90.

[Cylinder Head]

HKs position on owning the MP71a


‎”…the MP71A is unavailable to civilians and for good measure. We all know that’s technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of.”

Then, in response to a Seth Young’s Facebook comment on the matter b

“Like we mentioned before, the MP7A1 is unavailable to civilians and for good reason. We all know that’s technology no civies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of. It is made to put down scumbags, and that’s it. Mike Cabrera of Heckler & Koch Law Enforcement (http://skimlinks.pgpartner.com/mrdr.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fskimlinks.pgpartner.com% 2Fsearch.php%2Fform_keyword%3Dlaw%2Benforcement) Sales and veteran law enforcement officer with SWAT unit experience points out that this is a gun that you do not want in the wrong, slimy hands. It comes with semi-automatic and full-auto firing modes only. Its overall size places it between a handgun and submachine gun. Its assault rifle capabilities and small size make this a serious weapon that should not be taken lightly.”

The above quote is from Jerry Tsai, deposed editor of Recoil Mag. He was fired over the obviously anti-2A undertones. It was not written by HK.

[RYAN50BMG]

H&K looks at the American civilian shooter as a pain in the ass. They are only interested in the military/ LE area, and if you did'nt see the OBVIOUS sarcasim in Jerry Tsai's comments, then you don't know H&K.

[Rabid]

H&K looks at the American civilian shooter as a pain in the ass. They are only interested in the military/ LE area
You pretty much hit the nail on the head.

[Ridge]

Also isn't the MP7 that sub gun chambered in a goofy cartridge?

4.6x30mm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HK_4.6%C3%9730mm)

[centrarchidae]

H&K looks at the American civilian shooter as a pain in the ass. They are only interested in the military/ LE area, and if you did'nt see the OBVIOUS sarcasim in Jerry Tsai's comments, then you don't know H&K.

Where did you get the idea that H&K cared about the LE market? When I was an LE armorer, I would rather have had my teeth cleaned by a special-needs child with three or four extra chromosomes, using a metric socket set, than deal with H&K.

Besides, their guns are forged deep in Odin's ass from Nordic unobtainium before being brought to Earth by valkries and prayed over by Father Guido Sarducci, and none of us are worthy.

[spyder]

Nope, never heard it. I always hear a bunch of whining about Hk though...

[islandermyk]

Besides, their guns are forged deep in Odin's ass from Nordic unobtainium before being brought to Earth by valkries and prayed over by Father Guido Sarducci, and none of us are worthy. That's awesome[ROFL1]


I keep'em "liked" on my FB just to see what's Odin is blowing out his ars [Coffee]... but I'ma lil disappointed with'em on that page as they won't comment on or show support on the 2nd amendment.... but haven't come across anything saying they hate civilians using or buying their stuff on FB yet.

[Cylinder Head]

I will say that my H&K's have never jammed in thousands of rounds and at times purposeful neglect (hey let's see if it will run without lube/cleaning). You do pay through the nose for that Teutonic gnome magic.

[Guylee]

I've never carried one personally, but talked to several guys overseas that carried them and absolutely hated it. They said they were difficult to shoot and inaccurate. I had my eye on a usp 45 until recently when I fired one and found the trigger press to be absolutely atrocious.

Needless to say, my affinity with HK has dropped quite a bit in the last few months.

[theGinsue]

Sorry, but the MP71a is nothing more than an Uzi for the 21st century. I'm just not diggin it.

Overall I like H&K's products, but the way they handled the ATI deal over he GSG-5 pissed me off royally. They refused to make a semi-auto .22LR version of her MP5, then ATI mkes one and sales are through the roof. So, H&K decides they're going to make one afterall but need to stop ATI from making them to eliminate the competition.

[islandermyk]

I will say that my H&K's have never jammed in thousands of rounds and at times purposeful neglect (hey let's see if it will run without lube/cleaning). You do pay through the nose for that Teutonic gnome magic.


I did this with my MARK23 .... a lil over 3000 rounds with out cleaning (and loading dirty mags in it after dropping'em on the ground/dirt)... without jamming. I did lube it though.. I guess this doesn't count then [Coffee]

[islandermyk]

I've never carried one personally, but talked to several guys overseas that carried them and absolutely hated it. They said they were difficult to shoot and inaccurate. I had my eye on a usp 45 until recently when I fired one and found the trigger press to be absolutely atrocious.

Needless to say, my affinity with HK has dropped quite a bit in the last few months.

Should try that USP .46 MATCH... that thing is phenomenal... well that was a bit of an exaggeration, but that thing was accurate out to 100 yards 4 or 5 in a row out of 7 shots made that day. I don't own one, but I know who does...[Coffee] what a lucky guy [Beer]

[Goodburbon]

I shoot my USP40 tac better than anything I own... Except the "Serb-Croat special" Springfield XD, which I shoot as good as the USP.

It disheartens me that HK doesn't see fit to provide Semi-auto examples of many of their weapons for civilian consumption.


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[Rabid]

I've never carried one personally, but talked to several guys overseas that carried them and absolutely hated it. They said they were difficult to shoot and inaccurate. I had my eye on a usp 45 until recently when I fired one and found the trigger press to be absolutely atrocious.

Needless to say, my affinity with HK has dropped quite a bit in the last few months.

I have a USPc and P7 like Cylinder, islander and bourbon have said i have never had a jam. they fit my hand like a glove and are very accurate. Like you said the USPc trigger is sub par for a DA/SA and i feel the LEM trigger is even worse. I had to get a part for the P7 and water boarding might have been more fun then dealing with them. They are kinda like Enzo Ferrari who said that the people that bought his cars are idiots and the only reason he catered to the public was so he could support his racing cars or in HK's mind there military contracts.

[Cylinder Head]

I've never carried one personally, but talked to several guys overseas that carried them and absolutely hated it. They said they were difficult to shoot and inaccurate. I had my eye on a usp 45 until recently when I fired one and found the trigger press to be absolutely atrocious.

Needless to say, my affinity with HK has dropped quite a bit in the last few months.

I'm at Blucore all the time and would be happy to let you try my HK45. I'm sure the trigger pull on that would change your mind.

[Tor Larson]

Elitists. Thirty years ago they thought they were Uber gods. I remember having to "steal" a catalogue at the big show in Vegas. HK Reps were assholes way back then and all they had out was VP70s and P7s for pistols. Founders were Nazis working for Mauser. They took everything the could from the Mauser factory and hit the road.

IMHO Fans of HK are in that stereotypical Men's club that worship: Porsche, BMW, Rolex, Green bottle beers, matching bicycle outfits (Boulder is full of these metro clones in uniform), Levinson audio equipment, Cohibas (expensive and Cuban so must be good), German football clubs, etc. Never met an HK fan that wasn't more concerned about the look and status of owning the HK over shooting the damn thing and hitting something with it. Hell, even today their "classic" squeeze cocking pistols go for $1000 -$2000 and for what? Good luck with those $300 mags that hold 13 rds of 9mm Nordic fury. Drop it on the ground and whoops- bye bye $. Guess you could say I'm not too keen on anything from that country of troublemakers. Starting 3 wars in less than 70 yrs and causing 50million plus deaths is not a record of fine people.

[Cylinder Head]

Elitists. Thirty years ago they thought they were Uber gods. I remember having to "steal" a catalogue at the big show in Vegas. HK Reps were assholes way back then and all they had out was VP70s and P7s for pistols. Founders were Nazis working for Mauser. They took everything the could from the Mauser factory and hit the road.

IMHO Fans of HK are in that stereotypical Men's club that worship: Porsche, BMW, Rolex, Green bottle beers, matching bicycle outfits (Boulder is full of these metro clones in uniform), Levinson audio equipment, Cohibas (expensive and Cuban so must be good), German football clubs, etc. Never met an HK fan that wasn't more concerned about the look and status of owning the HK over shooting the damn thing and hitting something with it. Hell, even today their "classic" squeeze cocking pistols go for $1000 -$2000 and for what? Good luck with those $300 mags that hold 13 rds of 9mm Nordic fury. Drop it on the ground and whoops- bye bye $. Guess you could say I'm not too keen on anything from that country of troublemakers. Starting 3 wars in less than 70 yrs and causing 50million plus deaths is not a record of fine people.


Ooooooooookay.

[Jim5280]

I've never been big on handguns, just not my thing. That being said I owned an HK USP for over 10 years and love it. I've never had any complaints when friends shoot it either.

[Tor Larson]

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[cofi]

Elitists. Thirty years ago they thought they were Uber gods. I remember having to "steal" a catalogue at the big show in Vegas. HK Reps were assholes way back then and all they had out was VP70s and P7s for pistols. Founders were Nazis working for Mauser. They took everything the could from the Mauser factory and hit the road.

IMHO Fans of HK are in that stereotypical Men's club that worship: Porsche, BMW, Rolex, Green bottle beers, matching bicycle outfits (Boulder is full of these metro clones in uniform), Levinson audio equipment, Cohibas (expensive and Cuban so must be good), German football clubs, etc. Never met an HK fan that wasn't more concerned about the look and status of owning the HK over shooting the damn thing and hitting something with it. Hell, even today their "classic" squeeze cocking pistols go for $1000 -$2000 and for what? Good luck with those $300 mags that hold 13 rds of 9mm Nordic fury. Drop it on the ground and whoops- bye bye $. Guess you could say I'm not too keen on anything from that country of troublemakers. Starting 3 wars in less than 70 yrs and causing 50million plus deaths is not a record of fine people.
10/10 this rant needs its own thread :)

[sniper7]

They're alright but my Rugers go bang every time. As do my springfields, colts, rock river, Delton, stag, noveske, FN, etc etc etc. Just another gun company.

[RMAC757]

They're alright but my Rugers go bang every time. As do my springfields, colts, rock river, Delton, stag, noveske, FN, etc etc etc. Just another gun company.
[word]

[KS63]

[MOD: It's clear your passionate about your belief, but name calling & provoking a fight are not going to be allowed to occur here. Take a deep breath & try a more rational approach.]
Wow! You mad, Bro? I guess you think that those who own an H&K don't pay their fair share either?

[kidicarus13]

Wow! You mad, Bro? I guess you think that those who own an H&K don't pay their fair share either?

I just assumed he was hitting the sauce today and will wake up tomorrow wondering what he wrote.

[UrbanWolf]

Elitists. Thirty years ago they thought they were Uber gods. I remember having to "steal" a catalogue at the big show in Vegas. HK Reps were assholes way back then and all they had out was VP70s and P7s for pistols. Founders were Nazis working for Mauser. They took everything the could from the Mauser factory and hit the road.

IMHO Fans of HK are in that stereotypical Men's club that worship: Porsche, BMW, Rolex, Green bottle beers, matching bicycle outfits (Boulder is full of these metro clones in uniform), Levinson audio equipment, Cohibas (expensive and Cuban so must be good), German football clubs, etc. Never met an HK fan that wasn't more concerned about the look and status of owning the HK over shooting the damn thing and hitting something with it. Hell, even today their "classic" squeeze cocking pistols go for $1000 -$2000 and for what? Good luck with those $300 mags that hold 13 rds of 9mm Nordic fury. Drop it on the ground and whoops- bye bye $. Guess you could say I'm not too keen on anything from that country of troublemakers. Starting 3 wars in less than 70 yrs and causing 50million plus deaths is not a record of fine people.

Entschuldigen Sie mich bitte?

[hatidua]

Elitists. Thirty years ago they thought they were Uber gods. I remember having to "steal" a catalogue at the big show in Vegas. HK Reps were assholes way back then and all they had out was VP70s and P7s for pistols. Founders were Nazis working for Mauser. They took everything the could from the Mauser factory and hit the road.

IMHO Fans of HK are in that stereotypical Men's club that worship: Porsche, BMW, Rolex, Green bottle beers, matching bicycle outfits (Boulder is full of these metro clones in uniform), Levinson audio equipment, Cohibas (expensive and Cuban so must be good), German football clubs, etc. Never met an HK fan that wasn't more concerned about the look and status of owning the HK over shooting the damn thing and hitting something with it. Hell, even today their "classic" squeeze cocking pistols go for $1000 -$2000 and for what? Good luck with those $300 mags that hold 13 rds of 9mm Nordic fury. Drop it on the ground and whoops- bye bye $. Guess you could say I'm not too keen on anything from that country of troublemakers. Starting 3 wars in less than 70 yrs and causing 50million plus deaths is not a record of fine people.

But how do you really feel?

[Cylinder Head]

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[ROFL2]

Damn right I'm an HK loving bastard. Half German too and I drive a Mercedes AMG. You got me!

But I've never played golf in my life, make fun of bicycle riders in their spandex unitards and could give a fuck about cigars or stereos. Sorry I live in a nice neighborhood.

[islandermyk]

Damn this thread to hell! It just made me buy another one these things that come out of Odens ars

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp261/brutaltlr/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/HKUSP45TACTICAL_zps8834d06b.jpg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/brutaltlr/media/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/HKUSP45TACTICAL_zps8834d06b.jpg.html)

I drive a sh*tty car and don't go out much... unless its Pawnee, shoot matches... and so on [Coffee]
I also own a Glock and plan on getting another one here soon.. but the fact is.. these things look so purty and adorable... how can no one love'em [Flower]

[Rabid]

Damn this thread to hell! It just made me buy another one these things that come out of Odens ars

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp261/brutaltlr/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/HKUSP45TACTICAL_zps8834d06b.jpg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/brutaltlr/media/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/HKUSP45TACTICAL_zps8834d06b.jpg.html)

I drive a sh*tty car and don't go out much... unless its Pawnee, shoot matches... and so on [Coffee]
I also own a Glock and plan on getting another one here soon.. but the fact is.. these things look so purty and adorable... how can no one love'em [Flower]
Does it still have that new Oden's rear smell to it?

[islandermyk]

Does it still have that new Oden's rear smell to it?

Can't tell.. but it does taste a lil funny [LOL]

[centrarchidae]

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Dude, I hate to recommend decaf to any man, but you might like it. Or maybe someone can score some of the kind funky skunky smelly green s*** for you.

[KS63]

Ironic on how Tor bashes HK owners, yet in his recent posts, he tried to sell 2 HK USP 9mm mags. What happened, dude? Didn't pay your taxes and got your stuff repossessed? Fail

[spyder]

LOL This thread entertains me. Ignorance is bliss I guess..... Also, here's the one I just picked up Islander, can't beat a 45 with three mags for $500! Won't Oden be pissed when he sees what I'm going to do to his gun.......http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h403/asrspyder/pix3237412971_zps590d511d.jpg

[KS63]

Nice! I'd love to get my hands on a HK45. Fell in love with my wife's P30S. Ergonomics and point ability are superb.

[Goodburbon]

Nice! I'd love to get my hands on a HK45. Fell in love with my wife's P30S. Ergonomics and point ability are superb.

but...but...The 30 will break in half if you fall off an ATV and land on it !


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[KS63]

but...but...The 30 will break in half if you fall off an ATV and land on it !


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Nah. Not happening because I'm to busy driving around Cherry Creek in my Ferrari. ATV's are for the Common People.....

[Goodburbon]

I worry about my pistol while I'm riding my BMW.


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[centrarchidae]

Nice! I'd love to get my hands on a HK45. Fell in love with my wife's P30S. Ergonomics and point ability are superb.

I may hate H&K's LE support people and wish sexually-transmitted diseases upon them all, but the P30 I played with in the store was smooth. I need to get a few rounds through one.

ETA: I also need a way to carry it while I'm smoking a glass-top Cohiba on my Ducati.

[islandermyk]

LOL This thread entertains me. Ignorance is bliss I guess..... Also, here's the one I just picked up Islander, can't beat a 45 with three mags for $500! Won't Oden be pissed when he sees what I'm going to do to his gun.......http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h403/asrspyder/pix3237412971_zps590d511d.jpg


.. and I bet it'll taste better than what mine taste like... [ROFL1]