Road Rage

[buckeye4rnr]

If someone at a dead stop cut you off while traveling 40mph and nearly caused a pile up, most of you would honk correct?

If after that honk the guy get out of your way and proceeds to follow you while throwing stuff at your car, would you draw on him if he was in the process of getting out of his car to come fight you at a red light?

Just asking to see what an appropriate response would be since I didn't have a gun in my car(only a knife) and my cell phone slid onto the floor when I had to test my brakes(they work really well btw)


Since I couldn't get to the phone I eventually just ran the red light to get away from the nutbag once there was an opening in traffic or I'm sure I would've had to deal with him until I made it to the police station to pick up my ccw permit.

[DD977GM2]

Simular scenario for me a few years ago. I unholsterd and sat my 1911 in my lap as he came to window. I was blocked in on all sides at a traffic light. I rolled the window down about 2 inches and told him to go back to his car.
He talked some bullshit and when I put my hand on the 1911 and began to get a solid grasp and start to raise he backed off and went back to his vehicle.

My wife was on with 911 at the same time and I talked with an investigating officer as I had the tag ID and solid description of the scumbag. The officer told me
I would have been in my rights to fire on him if he had attempted to gain entry. That kid was lucky I have more self control then many others.

[cstone]

If you can leave the scene safely... do so.

Be safe.

[hurley842002]

I had a similar situation happen recently, guy pulled out of a neighborhood side street in front of me and into the left lane (120th ave). I had to slam on my brakes to avoid an accident, also had my wife and newborn baby in the car. The natural thing to do was honk (maybe he wasn't aware he just about caused an accident), I didn't make any crude or obscene gestures. Well the driver of the car (some ghetto thug outside of his hood), proceeds to throw his hands up, roll his windowsl down, and try to get me to "fight" him at every light. He never actually got out of the car so I just continued to ignore him, I was packing but certainly didn't want any issues with the family in tow. I believe it just goes back to entitlement and disrespect, he was "entitled" to drive however he wanted, even if it put my family in danger, and when I made him aware of it, he felt "disrespected". It just furthers my lack of confidence in society.

[ray1970]

If he gets out of his vehicle I would stay in mine and just run him over.

[Chad4000]

A buddy of mine had a bum that wouldn't leave the window of his car... he did when my buddies glock came out lol..

anyway, Ive been in situations like that too.. I actually think that if any of us are ever involved in a self defense situation, that road rage might be the leading cause... people get crazy out there.

[DireWolf]

I had a similar situation happen recently, guy pulled out of a neighborhood side street in front of me and into the left lane (120th ave). I had to slam on my brakes to avoid an accident, also had my wife and newborn baby in the car. The natural thing to do was honk (maybe he wasn't aware he just about caused an accident), I didn't make any crude or obscene gestures. Well the driver of the car (some ghetto thug outside of his hood), proceeds to throw his hands up, roll his windowsl down, and try to get me to "fight" him at every light. He never actually got out of the car so I just continued to ignore him, I was packing but certainly didn't want any issues with the family in tow. I believe it just goes back to entitlement and disrespect, he was "entitled" to drive however he wanted, even if it put my family in danger, and when I made him aware of it, he felt "disrespected". It just furthers my lack of confidence in society.

Had something similar to this happen to me a while back and it ended up turning very ugly before all was said and done....

cstone's advice is right on point - if you can get out of there safely do it, but you may need to drive to a local PD or firehouse before they disengage....but if that's not possible or the POS is trying to run you off the road, then do what you need to do, especially if you have family with you...

Just be aware that if you feel the need to place rounds center-mass through vehicle glass, be prepared for some very uncomfortable conversations, regardless of the justification or criminal history of the POS in the other vehicle....

[Chad4000]

Had something similar to this happen to me a while back and it ended up turning very ugly before all was said and done....

cstone's advice is right on point - if you can get out of there safely do it, but you may need to drive to a local PD or firehouse before they disengage....but if that's not possible or the POS is trying to run you off the road, then do what you need to do, especially if you have family with you...

Just be aware that if you feel the need to place rounds center-mass through vehicle glass, be prepared for some very uncomfortable conversations, regardless of the justification or criminal history of the POS in the other vehicle....

sounds like there's more to this story right here!!! get to typing! lol

[Dave]

Last year while on my way to work I had some thug cut me off on I225 after he came down the ramp from Parker, went on the shoulder then cut one person off in the right lane and then me in the middle right lane. I had to slam the brakes as he had to stop because traffic in front of him came to a complete stop. I honked as he was cutting me off since I ended up only an inch or so from his rear bumper. He gets out of his car and walks to mine (while still on the highway) and makes a gun with his hand and flexes his thumb to indicate he wanted to shoot me while pounding on my windshield with his left hand and screaming. Once he noticed that my right hand not being on the wheel actually held a .357 magnum in my lap angled up at his chest, he turned and got back in his car. The driver to my right was on her phone looking scared as hell, guessing it was with 911.

[DEAGLER]

So many countless times I honk at people for almost hitting me and they give me the one finger salute. Makes a lot of sense...

[Ronin13]

If you can leave the scene safely... do so.

Be safe.
THIS! Avoidance of a potentially bad situation is the first and most important rule. But if you are trapped, or in immediate danger to where leaving is impossible without it, well, I would hope all of our aim is good and I know a good flower shop. Sadly I think Chad is 100% right- you are more likely to have a road rage incident turn really bad than anything else. I've seen road rage go wrong a few times, once when a group of Meheecans jumped out of their hoopty with a bat, knife, and chain... My buddy just grabbed a shotgun from under the seat and defused the situation pretty quick. But what if they had a gun? I always try to be courteous on the roads- I'm already in a 3,000lb machine capable of killing dozens of children, no need to exacerbate things.

[Sawin]

If someone at a dead stop cut you off while traveling 40mph and nearly caused a pile up, most of you would honk correct?

If after that honk the guy get out of your way and proceeds to follow you while throwing stuff at your car, would you draw on him if he was in the process of getting out of his car to come fight you at a red light?

Just asking to see what an appropriate response would be since I didn't have a gun in my car(only a knife) and my cell phone slid onto the floor when I had to test my brakes(they work really well btw)


Since I couldn't get to the phone I eventually just ran the red light to get away from the nutbag once there was an opening in traffic or I'm sure I would've had to deal with him until I made it to the police station to pick up my ccw permit.

No, I would not draw on him if he simply got out of his car, threw stuff at my car, or came to fight me. Not unless he was successful in bashing in the windows and was actually able to gain entry, would I shoot. I would instead honk my horn at him as he walked toward the car, drawing attention to myself and him so other drivers will be better witnesses. If stopped, I'd unbuckle if needed and reach in to the floorboard to get my phone and call 911, on speaker phone. What happens after that is entirely situational.

In your case with only a knife, just wait until he puts his arms/fist through the broken window trying to open or unlock the door and slash his hand or arm a few times...

Snapping pictures or recording video of the perp and his car is always wise too...

All the while, you should be on the phone with 911...

[HoneyBadger]

As sawin said: nowadays most phones have a camera. I wouldn't ever recommend trying to take pictures while driving (unless you feared for your life too much to stop) but if you are forced to stop, get the video camera up and recording. That sort of evidence is much better than some witness who "thinks" they saw what happened. 911 recordings can be awfully helpful too.

Phone in one hand, gun in the other. If you cannot escape the situation and you fear for your life, aim well.

[davsel]

I no longer brake-check tailgaters. I figure they are mad enough already, no need for me to escalate the situation.

As far as drawing on someone who gets out of their car - Absolutely.
If I was standing on the sidewalk, and someone was coming at me in a rage, I would most certainly draw on them; no different if I'm in my car.

They can yell and scream all they want from inside their vehicle, but as soon as they approach, all bets are off, and I am prepared to defend myself and end the confrontation as quickly as possible.

[generalmeow]

I had a wiener jump off his crotch rocket at a stop sign, leave his girlfriend sitting on the bike, and come back and yell at me to "calm the fuck down mutha fucka!" and put his hands up in the air like those wannabe gangsters do when they want to fight. I had no idea who he was or what in the world he was talking about. I think he thought I thought it was taking him to long to leave the stop sign, but I didn't do anything to give him that impression. I was just minding my own business, pulled up behind him and waited for 5 seconds, and then he jumped off the bike wanting to fight. It was a busy street, and he hadn't even had an opportunity to pull out yet.

That guy deserved to get his ass beat just for being him, and I'm sure he has gotten what was coming to him by now, but it was so comical I just laughed and he walked away.

Calm down? I'm sitting here with a blank look on my face, and you're jumping off your motorcycle wanting to fight a stranger who's twice your size for no apparent reason. I think it's clear who's calm and who's not.

[HoneyBadger]

As far as drawing on someone who gets out of their car - Absolutely.
If I was standing on the sidewalk, and someone was coming at me in a rage, I would most certainly draw on them; no different if I'm in my car.

They can yell and scream all they want from inside their vehicle, but as soon as they approach, all bets are off, and I am prepared to defend myself and end the confrontation as quickly as possible.

I mostly agree with this, but with one caveat: It is ALWAYS situational. Only you know where your boundaries are and how aggressive the person appears to be acting. They are already yelling at you... For what reason would they approach you? You can obviously hear them from where they are. Them coming closer only increases your risk of physical harm. As cstone always says: Be safe.

[Bailey Guns]

If someone at a dead stop cut you off while traveling 40mph and nearly caused a pile up, most of you would honk correct?

If after that honk the guy get out of your way and proceeds to follow you while throwing stuff at your car, would you draw on him if he was in the process of getting out of his car to come fight you at a red light?

Just asking to see what an appropriate response would be since I didn't have a gun in my car(only a knife) and my cell phone slid onto the floor when I had to test my brakes(they work really well btw)


Since I couldn't get to the phone I eventually just ran the red light to get away from the nutbag once there was an opening in traffic or I'm sure I would've had to deal with him until I made it to the police station to pick up my ccw permit.

I think you need to work on your story. How does someone:


That's at a "dead stop" cut you off? Did he pull in front of you from a stop?
"nearly cause a pile up"? Not saying what he did was right but...a "pile up".
He's throwing stuff at your car while following you? Guy must have a good arm.
How do you know he was coming to fight you? He could've been trying to get your attention to apologize.
"test" their brakes during a potential road-rage incident?


I'm just sayin'. You really need to consider how to handle situations like this before they happen. I'm thinking it's a good thing you didn't have a gun, personally. And keep in mind had this incident escalated these are all questions you'd be having to answer. They're all questions I'd be asking you if I was the investigating officer. Apparently nothing came of this incident...but posting on an internet forum usually isn't the best course of action when you're talking about road rage and guns and such.

[cofi]

Meheecans jumped out of their hoopty with a bat, knife, and chain....

what were they in....west side story??

[buckeye4rnr]

I think you need to work on your story. How does someone:


That's at a "dead stop" cut you off? Did he pull in front of you from a stop?
"nearly cause a pile up"? Not saying what he did was right but...a "pile up".
He's throwing stuff at your car while following you? Guy must have a good arm.
How do you know he was coming to fight you? He could've been trying to get your attention to apologize.
"test" their brakes during a potential road-rage incident?


I'm just sayin'. You really need to consider how to handle situations like this before they happen. I'm thinking it's a good thing you didn't have a gun, personally. And keep in mind had this incident escalated these are all questions you'd be having to answer. They're all questions I'd be asking you if I was the investigating officer. Apparently nothing came of this incident...but posting on an internet forum usually isn't the best course of action when you're talking about road rage and guns and such.

His lane was at a complete stop, my lane was just starting to speed up and he took the short distance between my bumper and the bumper in front of me as his room to get in and cut me off. There was a bunch of traffic and I nearly got rearended.
He was following me and every chance he got he pulled up and threw crap at the doors of my car.
Why would he try to apologize after following me for 3-4 miles yelling his head off and throwing shit at my car?
I "tested" my brakes when I had to use them to avoid hitting him.

Any other questions?

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[Bailey Guns]

I'm just saying you probably need to be careful about what you say and how you say it. Or not. I don't really care. But your story as told in the OP raises a lot of questions for me.

It'll be an entirely different feeling answering these kinds of questions in front of a jury in a potential criminal or civil trial.

[buckeye4rnr]

I no longer brake-check tailgaters. I figure they are mad enough already, no need for me to escalate the situation.

As far as drawing on someone who gets out of their car - Absolutely.
If I was standing on the sidewalk, and someone was coming at me in a rage, I would most certainly draw on them; no different if I'm in my car.

They can yell and scream all they want from inside their vehicle, but as soon as they approach, all bets are off, and I am prepared to defend myself and end the confrontation as quickly as possible.


As sawin said: nowadays most phones have a camera. I wouldn't ever recommend trying to take pictures while driving (unless you feared for your life too much to stop) but if you are forced to stop, get the video camera up and recording. That sort of evidence is much better than some witness who "thinks" they saw what happened. 911 recordings can be awfully helpful too.

Phone in one hand, gun in the other. If you cannot escape the situation and you fear for your life, aim well.


No, I would not draw on him if he simply got out of his car, threw stuff at my car, or came to fight me. Not unless he was successful in bashing in the windows and was actually able to gain entry, would I shoot. I would instead honk my horn at him as he walked toward the car, drawing attention to myself and him so other drivers will be better witnesses. If stopped, I'd unbuckle if needed and reach in to the floorboard to get my phone and call 911, on speaker phone. What happens after that is entire situational.

In your case with only a knife, just wait until he puts his arms/fist through the broken window trying to open or unlock the door and slash his hand or arm a few times...

Snapping pictures or recording video of the perp and his car is always wise too...

All the while, you should be on the phone with 911...

I don't and never have brake checked people, I like my car too much. I said tested my brakes when I had to use them to avoid hitting the guy.

I would've been on the phone and possibly recording but I had set it on the passenger seat and it slid onto the floor and out of reach when I hit the brakes. I usually keep it in a cup holder but had a cup that day.


So far, thanks for all the stories and tips. I obviously didn't and couldn't draw but I'm not sure that I would have unless he tried to come in the car. Either way, it's always good to hear what others have done in similar situations so if anyone has more stories I think learning from others experiences is always a good thing.

[buckeye4rnr]

I'm just saying you probably need to be careful about what you say and how you say it. Or not. I don't really care. But your story as told in the OP raises a lot of questions for me.

It'll be an entirely different feeling answering these kinds of questions in front of a jury in a potential criminal or civil trial.

I'm not a fantastic story teller so you've got me there and without a picture or standing at the scene it's not easy to describe. With the OP I was really hoping to get more stories of similar situations and what people here had done or would do if faced with that. Nothing happened and I was able to get away without it escalating further so I didn't want a bunch of text clouding the OP.

[Monky]

I love when people get all road raged..


Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Not worth your time or telling the story of. Leave them be and move on.

[UrbanWolf]

If he gets out of his vehicle I would stay in mine and just run him over.

In Colorado, we don't shoot thugs, we run them over.

[Sawin]

I no longer brake-check tailgaters. I figure they are mad enough already, no need for me to escalate the situation.

As far as drawing on someone who gets out of their car - Absolutely.
If I was standing on the sidewalk, and someone was coming at me in a rage, I would most certainly draw on them; no different if I'm in my car.

They can yell and scream all they want from inside their vehicle, but as soon as they approach, all bets are off, and I am prepared to defend myself and end the confrontation as quickly as possible.

If you go to that level right away, I would recommend including a call to 911 as soon as possible to report having to draw your firearm in defense of yourself, even if you don't shoot it....you want to file a report and press charges (they can be dropped later if you so choose). This puts you in the proactive position and the perp on the defense. Imagine instead that you don't, and someone calls the cops and describes you and your plate number after seeing you point the gun at someone? Big difference in perspective IMO.

[ChunkyMonkey]

In Colorado, we don't shoot thugs, we run them over.


Sound like China to me!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcsZxUDWCXg

[SA Friday]

All you guys suck at driving and just need to get off of my roads! [Train]

[buckeye4rnr]

Sound like China to me!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcsZxUDWCXg

I like the Russian dash cam vid accidents but the music really made this one.

[HoneyBadger]

Most of those chinese car and bike crashes were people just not looking where the hell they were going!

Always gotta watch out for other people... especially with people texting while driving or other stuff like putting on makeup, etc.

[davsel]

I no longer brake-check tailgaters. I figure they are mad enough already, no need for me to escalate the situation.

As far as drawing on someone who gets out of their car - Absolutely.
If I was standing on the sidewalk, and someone was coming at me in a rage, I would most certainly draw on them; no different if I'm in my car.

They can yell and scream all they want from inside their vehicle, but as soon as they approach, all bets are off, and I am prepared to defend myself and end the confrontation as quickly as possible.


If you go to that level right away, I would recommend including a call to 911 as soon as possible to report having to draw your firearm in defense of yourself, even if you don't shoot it....you want to file a report and press charges (they can be dropped later if you so choose). This puts you in the proactive position and the perp on the defense. Imagine instead that you don't, and someone calls the cops and describes you and your plate number after seeing you point the gun at someone? Big difference in perspective IMO.

Just to clarify:
I try not to do anything to escalate the situation (brake-check, cut off, flip off...).
I try to remove myself safely from the situation (turn off same route, go around the block...)
Only when cornered - unable to leave the situation, would I draw on someone.

I am not about to wait to see if the enraged individual attempts to, or is able to, enter my vehicle. They are going to have to quickly make the decision of whether or not attacking me is worth being shot. I feel I owe them the courtesy of letting them know what they are getting into up front.

Just as we have most likely all seen, heard, and possibly witnessed, the ability of a knife-wielding attacker to close the distance on an individual, I am not going to wait for my windows to break before drawing a weapon and pointing it in the face of an attacker who is within arm's reach of me.

As for calling the cops and filing a report: Possibly
I figure the fact the individual got out of his vehicle and approached mine would determine who the aggressor was. I'm pretty sure I am within my legal right to point a gun in the face of an aggressor. My first duty is to defend myself and my family. 911 will not be my first response.

[davsel]

Reminds me of this from years ago:
CAUTION EXPLICIT LANGUAGE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0BJ5cRT6ISY

Some people need shootin.
Wonder what ever became of this citizen.

[Sawin]

Just to clarify:
I try not to do anything to escalate the situation (brake-check, cut off, flip off...).
I try to remove myself safely from the situation (turn off same route, go around the block...)
Only when cornered - unable to leave the situation, would I draw on someone.

I am not about to wait to see if the enraged individual attempts to, or is able to, enter my vehicle. They are going to have to quickly make the decision of whether or not attacking me is worth being shot. I feel I owe them the courtesy of letting them know what they are getting into up front.

Just as we have most likely all seen, heard, and possibly witnessed, the ability of a knife-wielding attacker to close the distance on an individual, I am not going to wait for my windows to break before drawing a weapon and pointing it in the face of an attacker who is within arm's reach of me.

As for calling the cops and filing a report: Possibly
I figure the fact the individual got out of his vehicle and approached mine would determine who the aggressor was. I'm pretty sure I am within my legal right to point a gun in the face of an aggressor. My first duty is to defend myself and my family. 911 will not be my first response.

Terrific clarification davsel, I understand where your prior comments were coming from now. I cannot refute an ounce of your logic here.

[Mtn.man]

All in all alot of good and bad info.
Regardless. even if you are the victim and have to Draw your weapon, and do not ever fire. You most likely will get a free ride to jail. your vehicle towed ($$$) bail($$$) and then a lawyer ($$$) even if you are in the right and all charges dropped or never even charged.
So the best thing is to call 911 and hope you can slip away.
PS... you might even get to ride in the same cruiser as your assailant.

[Sawin]

Reminds me of this from years ago:
CAUTION EXPLICIT LANGUAGE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0BJ5cRT6ISY

Some people need shootin.
Wonder what ever became of this citizen.

Yikes. So in the situation portrayed in that video, would you shoot? If so, what kinds of arguments would be against or justifying the shoot?

FWIW, I don't think I would shoot as much as I may want to... I would not have necessarily been in fear for my life unless he tried to enter the vehicle or pull me or my family out of it... so would that be justifiable due to property damage but no threat of egregious bodily injury or death? I'd have to say no.

Now if I had to stop moving and he pulled on the door handle, I'd definitely shoot that d-bag with a smile on my face, but before then it's just a case of vandalism, which isn't legal justification for shooting AFAIK.

[wctriumph]

After over 40 years of driving in mostly urban environments I have learned never argue right of way, even when right, it's just not worth the aggravation or potential damage to my vehicle or danger to my family or passengers. Some techniques I use:

Tailgaters, ignore them, they will back off or go around.
Drivers that make obscene gestures, ignore them and they go on their way.
Motorcycles, give them extra room to move around, especially the sport bike guys, they are typically younger and are not aware of what is happening around them.
Horn honking, only when they are not paying attention at intersections, usually on the phone.
Wyoming drivers, just go around them when safe, they are completely oblivious to what is considered respectful driving etiquette.

Basically drive as if everyone else is an idiot and try to give yourself an out if something happens quickly. Don't get mad, don't retaliate, it won't do any good anyway.

[Ronin13]

what were they in....west side story??
HAHA, after the adrenaline subsided I was thinking that... well actually I was thinking who brings a bat/knife/chain to a gun fight? [ROFL1]

[Chad4000]

Yikes. So in the situation portrayed in that video, would you shoot? If so, what kinds of arguments would be against or justifying the shoot?

FWIW, I don't think I would shoot as much as I may want to... I would not have necessarily been in fear for my life unless he tried to enter the vehicle or pull me or my family out of it... so would that be justifiable due to property damage but no threat of egregious bodily injury or death? I'd have to say no.

Now if I had to stop moving and he pulled on the door handle, I'd definitely shoot that d-bag with a smile on my face, but before then it's just a case of vandalism, which isn't legal justification for shooting AFAIK.

oh boy.. I dunno... I step out, draw on him, and let him decide his fate probably... he was certainly using a deadly weapon....

[ruthabagah]

Funniest Road Rage ever:

3 years ago one of my client take me to lunch next to our workplace in the south suburbs. We have been interviewing 3 guys on the phone and in person for a system support job he has to fill and lunch was the only time we had to discuss the candidates. On our way back, this guy, cut my client with no apparent reason, then after a honk, he, of course brake check us, then try to block us and make us stop. My client stop and the guy (young white guy, clean haircut, "douche" beard though....) get out of his car and throw his "big gulp" on our windshield.... that's when my client finnally turn on the strobe and dash light of his unmarked car....

Other guy got the scare of his life and a mean ticket (can't share more info...)

Now the fun part: he apologized because he was late for an interview for a system support job.... yep: OUR job.

[Ronin13]

Yikes. So in the situation portrayed in that video, would you shoot? If so, what kinds of arguments would be against or justifying the shoot?

FWIW, I don't think I would shoot as much as I may want to... I would not have necessarily been in fear for my life unless he tried to enter the vehicle or pull me or my family out of it... so would that be justifiable due to property damage but no threat of egregious bodily injury or death? I'd have to say no.

Now if I had to stop moving and he pulled on the door handle, I'd definitely shoot that d-bag with a smile on my face, but before then it's just a case of vandalism, which isn't legal justification for shooting AFAIK.


oh boy.. I dunno... I step out, draw on him, and let him decide his fate probably... he was certainly using a deadly weapon....
I'm gonna go with Chad here. If he's grabbing my door handle I'm reacting way to late, especially after he's already smashed my headlight, windshield and hood.

[Chad4000]

Funniest Road Rage ever:

3 years ago one of my client take me to lunch next to our workplace in the south suburbs. We have been interviewing 3 guys on the phone and in person for a system support job he has to fill and lunch was the only time we had to discuss the candidates. On our way back, this guy, cut my client with no apparent reason, then after a honk, he, of course brake check us, then try to block us and make us stop. My client stop and the guy (young white guy, clean haircut, "douche" beard though....) get out of his car and throw his "big gulp" on our windshield.... that's when my client finnally turn on the strobe and dash light of his unmarked car....

Other guy got the scare of his life and a mean ticket (can't share more info...)

Now the fun part: he apologized because he was late for an interview for a system support job.... yep: OUR job.

omg lol.. thats freaking awesome...

[Great-Kazoo]

His lane was at a complete stop, my lane was just starting to speed up and he took the short distance between my bumper and the bumper in front of me as his room to get in and cut me off. There was a bunch of traffic and I nearly got rearended.
He was following me and every chance he got he pulled up and threw crap at the doors of my car.
Why would he try to apologize after following me for 3-4 miles yelling his head off and throwing shit at my car?
I "tested" my brakes when I had to use them to avoid hitting him.

Any other questions?

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With that much time *CSP or 911 would, or should, have been your choice. Road rage is a Felony, which i've been told they take almost as serious as meth bust. being in a vehicle gave you a "Fligth" option. Had you engaged the threat you would be facing charges. This may or may not have happened to someone very close to me at one time, with multiple LE's responding, rather fast.

[buckeye4rnr]

With that much time *CSP or 911 would, or should, have been your choice. Road rage is a Felony, which i've been told they take almost as serious as meth bust. being in a vehicle gave you a "Fligth" option. Had you engaged the threat you would be facing charges. This may or may not have happened to someone very close to me at one time, with multiple LE's responding, rather fast.

Can you go into a little detail on this situation that, for the sake of argument, never happened to a friend?

Now for my situation: Would've called but couldn't reach the phone. In the same situation but unable to reach the phone and unable to get away(I was obviously able to get away so no need to draw) would you have drawn?

[BushMasterBoy]

Best thing you can do is try to escape these assholes. Here is a story about a road rage killing in Colorado Springs....http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-230073.html

[RonMexico]

True story here. My brother in law's dad had a guy get out of his car at a stoplight with a bat in one hand. The guy beat on his window with his hand and keep yelling for my brother in law's dad to get out of the car and fight. My Brother in laws dad pointed his pistol and the guy step back from the truck, he them got out and held the guy at gun point until the cops came. Both were arrested and taken to the station....... My brother in laws dad was released and given his handgun back. The other guy was charged with assault and reckless driving but my BNL dad had to go be a witness in court. I guess the moral of the story is keep driving if you can or it might be several hours until everything is figured out and you are free to go..... And if you do shoot, I bet you will be in courtrooms for years, even if you are in the right side of the law.

[TheGrey]

I've been in road rage incidents (as the recipient) and I have never found it difficult to drive away when the douche is busy getting out of their car. I've been lucky in that way, because I haven't been hemmed in during those events- although there was one time I ended up going over a curb to drive into/through a parking lot so I could avoid the confrontation. He "won." Big whoop.

From what i've experienced, road rage is all about territoriality and the need to "be right" and I want no part of any of it.

I don't quite understand why there wasn't time to shove the car in Park, release the belt buckle and duck down to grab the phone to call 911. Lord knows the Flying Phone has happened to me many times in the car, and I've pretty much perfected the 'scoop-up' within a couple of seconds. I don't know....maybe I would have laid on the horn and moved out of the way.

I don't think I would draw on a road-rager unless they came up with their own gun, or a chainsaw or something, and there was nowhere for me to go. But that's just me.

[Chad4000]

I have a friction lock beat stick that I would consider grabbing for the right asshole too... lol...

it boils down to me hating assholes. I hate living in a world where fuckheads do whatever they want because the good people cant (wont) act..

[Great-Kazoo]

I have a friction lock beat stick that I would consider grabbing for the right asshole too... lol...

it boils down to me hating assholes. I hate living in a world where fuck heard do whatever they want because the good people cant (wont) act..

Can't and Will not act are 2 different things. You're in a vehicle you have the ability to "FLIGHT" Just the same in a potential use of deadly force while walking or out on the town. The question asked in investigators minds is. Could you have gotten away, vs. use of deadly force. You're hemmed in , in traffic and assailant starts breaking the windows in your car while wife and kids are with you. Or you're at a stop light with no or minimal traffic and same thing happens.
A: Use any means necessary to stop the threat
B: Gas n GO!

Play the game sometime when shopping, movies or even driving.
WHAT IF? Can you escape, or are you in a no win scenario, where deadly force is the only option. Is there an exit route, have i left enough room between my vehicle and the one in front of me to move ?

[Chad4000]

Can't and Will not act are 2 different things. You're in a vehicle you have the ability to "FLIGHT" Just the same in a potential use of deadly force while walking or out on the town. The question asked in investigators minds is. Could you have gotten away, vs. use of deadly force. You're hemmed in , in traffic and assailant starts breaking the windows in your car while wife and kids are with you. Or you're at a stop light with no or minimal traffic and same thing happens.
A: Use any means necessary to stop the threat
B: Gas n GO!

Play the game sometime when shopping, movies or even driving.
WHAT IF? Can you escape, or are you in a no win scenario, where deadly force is the only option. Is there an exit route, have i left enough room between my vehicle and the one in front of me to move ?

all great points as usual Jim!

My greater issue is that we are letting the world spin away from us... right down the shitter... and IF* the stars align, and you can teach somebody a lesson (I dont mean with a gun, and I know it's none of our business to teach people lessons)... I think we owe it to society. im certainly not talking about anybody in this thread.

lets just say nobody is putting hands on my truck with me sitting in there...

[UrbanWolf]

Sound like China to me!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcsZxUDWCXg

China has the most fucked up traffic laws, it's beyond my understanding.

Ex: You can't ran a yellow light in China.

[tmleadr03]

I will just link to my angry titties post, since last time I posted it I was told I was duping myself.

http://www.ar-15.co/threads/45862-Sick-of-People!?p=419300&viewfull=1#post419300

[cofi]

Best thing you can do is try to escape these assholes. Here is a story about a road rage killing in Colorado Springs....http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-230073.html

thats fucked up

i love deescalating road rage....to me(guy with a big pistol+ usually a rifle in the trunk) i dont need to be a tough guy i could end someones life....i usually just drive away with a smile on my face

[GilpinGuy]

thats fucked up

i love deescalating road rage....to me(guy with a big pistol+ usually a rifle in the trunk) i dont need to be a tough guy i could end someones life....i usually just drive away with a smile on my face

I hear this. It takes a lot to get me all fired up on the road these days. I have develope a rather thick skin working in the casino industry for years. I usually just laugh when someone does something stupid and say to myslef, "He's and asshole and I'm not....I win".

Of course if someone was bounding toward my vehicle in a rage, I'd have my weapon ready first then get the phone dialing to 911 (if I couldn't just drive away of course).

[Clint45]

I actually think that if any of us are ever involved in a self defense situation, that road rage might be the leading cause... people get crazy out there. "Road rage" is probably the most likely way to encounter random violence. Seems to happen to nearly everyone at least once in their life, even if they've done nothing to "provoke" it. Everyone seems to forget that while felons, drug addicts, and the mentally ill are prohibited from owning a firearm, there is no law prohibiting them from owning a car, and you WILL occasionally share the road with them.

[theGinsue]

I need a taser.

[centrarchidae]

I'd stick with running the red light and creating distance between myself and the gentleman. 5-10 miles should be sufficient.

I may have an icky scary gun and a couple of icky scary knives on me and so on, but I'm also too old, too fat, too tired, and too much a wuss to be getting into fights over traffic crap.

This is also why, at red lights, I won't pull so far forward that I can'd see the ground in front of my car, so that I'll have at least a chance to run.

[Ronin13]

WHAT IF? Can you escape, or are you in a no win scenario, where deadly force is the only option. Is there an exit route, have i left enough room between my vehicle and the one in front of me to move ?
This is why I always leave plenty of room between myself and the vehicle in front of me at red lights... always have an out.

[Chad4000]

This is why I always leave plenty of room between myself and the vehicle in front of me at red lights... always have an out.

yeah thats something I learned a long time ago riding motorcycles....

[cofi]

This is why I always leave plenty of room between myself and the vehicle in front of me at red lights... always have an out.

i think the rule is you should be able to see where the tires of the car in front of you meet the road

[Ronin13]

i think the rule is you should be able to see where the tires of the car in front of you meet the road
I use that rule when driving the Dodge Ram, but in my car I give a little more room than that.