Help settle dispute on athleticism...

[Ronin13]

Okay I figure there are a few here who know a thing or two about sports and could settle a friendly dispute I'm having among some friends- Within the context of the discussion, don't bring up outside arguments, please.
Here it is:
Which is a more overall athletically demanding sport: Hockey, or Basketball? Take into account endurance, toughness, athletic ability, stamina and overall skill set to play and excel at the game.

Two of us say Hockey, but one is stubbornly stating that while a tougher sport, hockey doesn't require the "pure athletic ability" required for basketball. -and yes, I laughed in his face, because that was just silly (IMHO).

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Okay I figure there are a few here who know a thing or two about sports and could settle a friendly dispute I'm having among some friends- Within the context of the discussion, don't bring up outside arguments, please.
Here it is:
Which is a more overall athletically demanding sport: Hockey, or Basketball? Take into account endurance, toughness, athletic ability, stamina and overall skill set to play and excel at the game.

Two of us say Hockey, but one is stubbornly stating that while a tougher sport, hockey doesn't require the "pure athletic ability" required for basketball.

Having played hockey for better than half my life.... Hockey is by far more demanding of pure athletic ability.

[TS12000]

Hockey for sure

[BPTactical]

After playing hockey at a high competitive level,hockey hands down.
Nowhere near the physical contact in basketball. Sure you might fall down and go boom or catch an elbow to the grill but you don't have 225# smashing you into the boards at 25mph. Or grinding with a forward in front of the net during a power play.
Physical contact wears you down much more than most realize.
Not to mention blocking a frozen 6 oz pill of vulcanized rubber at 90 mph.
Now let's add the diversity of skills one must have for hockey. As I am sure many here will agree skating forwards on its own can be quite a challenge let alone adding the dimension of skating backwards at full tilt, stickhandling, passing, shooting and reading the game.
Not slighting basketball but if you can walk and chew gum at the same time you can play Bball. Not so on ice.
Roller hockey is for those that can't hack on ice.

[missionxo]

Hockey no question. From a physical stand point while basketball can be physical it is not on the same planet as hockey. From a skill or athletic stand point hockey players skate, stickhandle typically with peripheral vision to avoid getting their head taken off. A typical shift is usually less than a minute but skating is physically more demanding. Lastly swap sports can a hockey player bounce a basketball and shoot baskets ... Yes . Can a basketball player skate and stickhandle and shoot goals .........

[davsel]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/square/000/002/135/sw50sw8sw578.gif

[newracer]

Basketball is a lot more physical than most people believe. However hockey is even more.

[Ronin13]

Having played hockey for better than half my life.... Hockey is by far more demanding of pure athletic ability.
Still hate agreeing with me? I've played hockey pretty much my entire life, and yep... played B-ball as a kid and look which sport I stuck with.
And Bert nailed it! I can't remember the guy's name, but one year in the Olympics a player from Finland took a puck to the face- broke his cheek bone, he finished out the rest of the games.

[roberth]

Hockey, for the reasons Bert wrote.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Who is the dillhole that voted Basketball but is too much of a wuss to show himself in the thread?

[SuperiorDG]

Athleticism is not even a proper word. The suffix “ism” generally refers to a belief system like atheism or Communism, a condition like alcoholism, or a behavior pattern like heroism or colonialism; all three of these categories of “isms” involve behavioral choices made by a person or group of people; none refer to natural ability or any other inherent characteristics; there is no word where the suffix “ism” means “ability” or an extraordinary presence of its root prefix, in this case, the word “athlete;” what the guy who coined the word athleticism was searching for was “athleticity;” “icity“ or “ity” are suffixes designed to convert an adjective into a noun like “ethnic” to “ethnicity” or “elastic” to “elasticity;” not that I’m pushing for the word “athleticity;” like “athleticism,” it has five syllables; I recommend we stick with “athletic ability” in spite of its seven-syllable length, although I would welcome an intelligent, shorter word for it; for those who claim football people are illiterate morons, the use of the word “athleticism” is further evidence they might be right

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Who is the dillhole that voted Basketball but is too much of a wuss to show himself in the thread?

Now there's two... Tryin' to troll the poll..... [hahhah-no]

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

I vote mma. Haha

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Athleticism is not even a proper word. The suffix “ism” generally refers to a belief system like atheism or Communism, a condition like alcoholism, or a behavior pattern like heroism or colonialism; all three of these categories of “isms” involve behavioral choices made by a person or group of people; none refer to natural ability or any other inherent characteristics; there is no word where the suffix “ism” means “ability” or an extraordinary presence of its root prefix, in this case, the word “athlete;” what the guy who coined the word athleticism was searching for was “athleticity;” “icity“ or “ity” are suffixes designed to convert an adjective into a noun like “ethnic” to “ethnicity” or “elastic” to “elasticity;” not that I’m pushing for the word “athleticity;” like “athleticism,” it has five syllables; I recommend we stick with “athletic ability” in spite of its seven-syllable length, although I would welcome an intelligent, shorter word for it; for those who claim football people are illiterate morons, the use of the word “athleticism” is further evidence they might be right

[off-yourself]

[Ronin13]

Athleticism is not even a proper word. The suffix “ism” generally refers to a belief system like atheism or Communism, a condition like alcoholism, or a behavior pattern like heroism or colonialism; all three of these categories of “isms” involve behavioral choices made by a person or group of people; none refer to natural ability or any other inherent characteristics; there is no word where the suffix “ism” means “ability” or an extraordinary presence of its root prefix, in this case, the word “athlete;” what the guy who coined the word athleticism was searching for was “athleticity;” “icity“ or “ity” are suffixes designed to convert an adjective into a noun like “ethnic” to “ethnicity” or “elastic” to “elasticity;” not that I’m pushing for the word “athleticity;” like “athleticism,” it has five syllables; I recommend we stick with “athletic ability” in spite of its seven-syllable length, although I would welcome an intelligent, shorter word for it; for those who claim football people are illiterate morons, the use of the word “athleticism” is further evidence they might be right
*tap tap* excuse me sir, would you mind not peeing in my cheerios? [grab]

[missionxo]

Athleticism is not even a proper word. The suffix “ism” generally refers to a belief system like atheism or Communism, a condition like alcoholism, or a behavior pattern like heroism or colonialism; all three of these categories of “isms” involve behavioral choices made by a person or group of people; none refer to natural ability or any other inherent characteristics; there is no word where the suffix “ism” means “ability” or an extraordinary presence of its root prefix, in this case, the word “athlete;” what the guy who coined the word athleticism was searching for was “athleticity;” “icity“ or “ity” are suffixes designed to convert an adjective into a noun like “ethnic” to “ethnicity” or “elastic” to “elasticity;” not that I’m pushing for the word “athleticity;” like “athleticism,” it has five syllables; I recommend we stick with “athletic ability” in spite of its seven-syllable length, although I would welcome an intelligent, shorter word for it; for those who claim football people are illiterate morons, the use of the word “athleticism” is further evidence they might be right
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I'm going to take some heat for this too... Oh well...

Ol' Number 99... He's not "the great one"...

He's what you would call, a player beyond his time..

When he set all his records, goaltending and defense was NOTHING like it is now...

If you sent a Crosby, Ovechkin, Duchane, Landeskog, Stamkos, or a Marchand back to ol' Wayne's time... They would blow his records out of the water...

If you sent a Luango, Niemi, Crawford, Rask, Thomas, or Miller back to Wayne's time... You'd have guys with stupid stats...


Just an observation....

[BPTactical]

Conditioning wise I would think they are probably somewhat comparable. Both require good aerobic conditioning. B-Ball you are on the court full-time but you are not going balls out the entire time. An average shift on ice is 40-60 seconds but you are all out for that time. B-Ball requires a bit of explosive muscle work (aclactic conditioning IIRC) but nothing compared to hockey.
Play with a high level player and you are amazed at how they reach full speed in 3 strides. Forsberg, Sakic-their quads look like beer kegs.
By far the best conditioned player physically and mentally has to be the goaltender. He is on ice the entire game and requires strength, agility, cat reflexes, flexibility and brass balls. Do you have any idea what it takes to not flinch when somebody cranks a slap shot from 15' out from the net?
You can have all of the above but if you don't have a "head for the game" and constant laser intensity and focus you will only be so-so. A momentary mental lapse and Poof, the biscuit is in the basket.

JM, what make a player such as Gretzky and Roy, Belfour, Broduer etc great is not so much their athleticism but their "hockey head".
Gretzky KNEW where he was, where the puck was and his team mates were without looking.
Great goaltenders don't flop like fish and make spectacular saves.
The best save is the one you don't move to make, for you read the play correctly and played the position correctly.

[missionxo]

I'm going to take some heat for this too... Oh well...

Ol' Number 99... He's not "the great one"...

He's what you would call, a player beyond his time..

When he set all his records, goaltending and defense was NOTHING like it is now...

If you sent a Crosby, Ovechkin, Duchane, Landeskog, Stamkos, or a Marchand back to ol' Wayne's time... They would blow his records out of the water...

If you sent a Luango, Niemi, Crawford, Rask, Thomas, or Miller back to Wayne's time... You'd have guys with stupid stats...


Just an observation....
I have to disagree with you.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

You can disagree all you want. You're entitled to it.

But I promise it's true.

[dirtrulz]

Seems to me hockey would take a bigger skill set than basketball. Have to have amazing eye hand coordination. Just being able to keep track of a small puck moving at crazy speeds would be hard. Then you add that you are in a confined space on skates, having to change directions quickly while keeping track of the puck and the other players.

If you watch pro ball now days they just seem to lope up and down the court, they pass the ball back and forth a few times and maybe a guy will take three quick steps and make a shot. Kind of boring to me. Now college and high school games seem to be more high energy to me, they actually put some work into their game.

[BPTactical]

4 people here cannot skate.........

One of the biggest changes to hockey is technology. Skates stay stiff through the entire game, pads don't absorb water, are lighter to start with(lift a pair of old brown Cooper GP58 goal pads compared to a pair of modern Vaughn or Brians pads).
Sticks are lighter and have more "whip", resuming in more accurate, harder shots.
It all adds up.
And Crosby is a bitch compared to Gretzky, Hull, Clarke, Esposito etc.

Ronin hit on something earlier. Basketball players break a finger or get a hangnail they are on the IR for 4-6 weeks. Hockey players have been known to play with broken wrists, ankles, shattered jaws etc.
And enjoy it.
Now here is the real key:
Hockey is still a gentlemans game. You have ettiquite on the ice and as a general rule hockey players are gentlemen off ice. Aside from a very few notable exceptions when was the last time a hockey player got jammed up about a pound of weed in the car, an illegal weapon possession, complicity in a homicide, domestic violence or the like?
Daily occurance for NBA and NFL players it seems.

[HoneyBadger]

Who is the dillhole that voted Basketball but is too much of a wuss to show himself in the thread?

Your mother is a dillhole Trebeck!

[Ronin13]

Ronin hit on something earlier. Basketball players break a finger or get a hangnail they are on the IR for 4-6 weeks. Hockey players have been known to play with broken wrists, ankles, shattered jaws etc.
And enjoy it.
Now here is the real key:
Hockey is still a gentlemans game. You have ettiquite on the ice and as a general rule hockey players are gentlemen off ice. Aside from a very few notable exceptions when was the last time a hockey player got jammed up about a pound of weed in the car, an illegal weapon possession, complicity in a homicide, domestic violence or the like?
Daily occurance for NBA and NFL players it seems.
To the first part- yes, and watch what happens when a b-ball player gets knocked down... hint: it's similar to when a soccer player gets brushed up against. Compare that to a 200+ lb guy slamming you into the boards at full speed.

To the second part- yes! Thank you! You don't see Gabriel Landeskog hanging out with gang bangers, or getting busted for felon in possession of a firearm.

[HoneyBadger]

If you watch pro ball now days they just seem to lope up and down the court, they pass the ball back and forth a few times and maybe a guy will take three quick steps and make a shot. Kind of boring to me. Now college and high school games seem to be more high energy to me, they actually put some work into their game.

I totally agree with this. I honestly don't know or care if the NBA finals are over or who won, but I love watching college basketball.

[RblDiver]

Just ask the person "Which sport sees more fights break out (and quasi-sanctions them at that)?"

[Sawin]

I've never played hockey so what do I know?

[BPTactical]

I've never played hockey so what do I know?

Its what you don't know.
You don't really know how to have fun in the cold.
You don't know how to really pronounce "out" and "about"
You don't know how to really wail on somebody and then go have a beer together and laugh about it.
You don't know how to take the wheels off of the refs car while he is officiating your game.
You don't know how to put a bit of tape on your buddies skate blade when he isn't looking so he looks like a four year old when he steps on the ice for his next shift.
You don't know how to really screw with the other teams head during adult league playoffs. (hint-"accidentally" walk into the wrong locker room and when they are yelling at you to get the eff out just turn and say "nice dick dude"). Messed them up badly and we ended up winning the league championship.


You have missed out on lots of fun!

[Delfuego]

Hockey players are pussies...


By far the best conditioned player physically and mentally has to be the goaltender.Didn't you used to play goalie???

[BushMasterBoy]

What do you get if you take away the NBA? 7 foot tall garbage men...

[Sawin]

Its what you don't know.
You don't really know how to have fun in the cold.
You don't know how to really pronounce "out" and "about"
You don't know how to really wail on somebody and then go have a beer together and laugh about it.
You don't know how to take the wheels off of the refs car while he is officiating your game.
You don't know how to put a bit of tape on your buddies skate blade when he isn't looking so he looks like a four year old when he steps on the ice for his next shift.
You don't know how to really screw with the other teams head during adult league playoffs. (hint-"accidentally" walk into the wrong locker room and when they are yelling at you to get the eff out just turn and say "nice dick dude"). Messed them up badly and we ended up winning the league championship.


You have missed out on lots of fun!

Well slap me silly and call me Susan, I think I'm gonna take up hockey. There's a rink practically in my backyard, afterall. Guess I need to get some rollerblades first. I can ice skate alright, but have lots to learn there too :)

[Madeinhb]

Hockey. Basketball now a days is watered down. You can't play physical defense anymore. But here is how you settle it. Take your friend to play a pick up game of basketball and a pick up hockey game. See which one he has an easier time doing. My guess is basketball haha

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Its what you don't know.
You don't really know how to have fun in the cold.
You don't know how to really pronounce "out" and "about" ootanaboot!
You don't know how to really wail on somebody and then go have a beer together and laugh about it. done it. Minus the beer.
You don't know how to take the wheels off of the refs car while he is officiating your game. Wanted to do something like that once... Punching in the face is the same, right?
You don't know how to put a bit of tape on your buddies skate blade when he isn't looking so he looks like a four year old when he steps on the ice for his next shift. Tried, damn tape wouldn't stick.
You don't know how to really screw with the other teams head during adult league playoffs. (hint-"accidentally" walk into the wrong locker room and when they are yelling at you to get the eff out just turn and say "nice dick dude"). Messed them up badly and we ended up winning the league championship. [ROFL3]


You have missed out on lots of fun!

[BPTactical]

Smack.




Susan.

Ixnay on the roller blades, you will develop bad habits from them when you transition to ice.
Besides, the worst part of rollerblading?
Telling your parents your gay.......

[JM Ver. 2.0]

4 people here cannot skate.........

One of the biggest changes to hockey is technology. Skates stay stiff through the entire game, pads don't absorb water, are lighter to start with(lift a pair of old brown Cooper GP58 goal pads compared to a pair of modern Vaughn or Brians pads).
Sticks are lighter and have more "whip", resuming in more accurate, harder shots.
It all adds up.
And Crosby is a bitch compared to Gretzky, Hull, Clarke, Esposito etc.

Ronin hit on something earlier. Basketball players break a finger or get a hangnail they are on the IR for 4-6 weeks. Hockey players have been known to play with broken wrists, ankles, shattered jaws etc.
And enjoy it.
Now here is the real key:
Hockey is still a gentlemans game. You have ettiquite on the ice and as a general rule hockey players are gentlemen off ice. Aside from a very few notable exceptions when was the last time a hockey player got jammed up about a pound of weed in the car, an illegal weapon possession, complicity in a homicide, domestic violence or the like?
Daily occurance for NBA and NFL players it seems.

Crosby is a bitch compared to every player ever to play the game... Even Sear Avery isn't as much of a bitch as Crosby.

Well... Nah. It's close, but no. Crosby is the bigger bitch.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Well slap me silly and call me Susan, I think I'm gonna take up hockey. There's a rink practically in my backyard, afterall. Guess I need to get some rollerblades first. I can ice skate alright, but have lots to learn there too :)

Promanade? That's where I play.. Sunday 545. Come watch.

[Delfuego]

Promanade? That's where I play.. Sunday 545. Come watch.I didn't know they had "D" league on Sundays...

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I didn't know they had "D" league on Sundays...

That hurts my heart, bro.... :(

[MED]

Hockey...there is a reason why there is a line change every 45-60 seconds. Hockey is one of the few sports where every player (except the goalie) must have a combination of explosiveness and endurance as well as hand to eye coordination and reaction time like no other sport not to mention be tough as hell. An NHL goalie is just a freak of nature.

Baseball...any sport that a player can play from beginning to end without breaking a sweat is pretty weak. It certainly takes skill to play the game, but it is not very physically demanding (reason they can play 162 games in a season). The most challenging part of the game is standing idle for long periods of time and sprinting without pulling a muscle.

[Delfuego]

Baseball is a game, not a sport...

[LippCJ7]

I'm going to take some heat for this too... Oh well...

Ol' Number 99... He's not "the great one"...

He's what you would call, a player beyond his time..

When he set all his records, goaltending and defense was NOTHING like it is now...

If you sent a Crosby, Ovechkin, Duchane, Landeskog, Stamkos, or a Marchand back to ol' Wayne's time... They would blow his records out of the water...

If you sent a Luango, Niemi, Crawford, Rask, Thomas, or Miller back to Wayne's time... You'd have guys with stupid stats...


Just an observation....

OH NO YOU DIDN'T!!

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Hockey...there is a reason why there is a line change every 45-60 seconds. Hockey is one of the few sports where every player (except the goalie) must have a combination of explosiveness and endurance as well as hand to eye coordination and reaction time like no other sport not to mention be tough as hell. An NHL goalie is just a freak of nature.

Baseball...any sport that a player can play from beginning to end without breaking a sweat is pretty weak. It certainly takes skill to play the game, but it is not very physically demanding (reason they can play 162 games in a season). The most challenging part of the game is standing idle for long periods of time and sprinting without pulling a muscle.

Michael Cuddyer is an example of someone who plays the game right... He could be out at first by a mile and he STILL hauls ass down the line. EVERYONE should play like him.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

OH NO YOU DIDN'T!!


I did.

[MED]

Baseball is a game, not a sport...

It is definitely a sport. It takes something special to throw a 100mph fast ball and some serious hand to eye coordination to hit it. The players need to run, catch, and throw. It is just not a very physically demanding sport like some of the other sports.

[Monky]

I vote mma. Haha

I'm pretty sure any of the hockey players here wouldn't last 3 rounds of 'fight gone bad' for a workout :)

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Speaking of ol' Wayne...

I have this exact same jersey... But mine is dirty as fuck and has some seams coming unsewn. If you want it, $10 buys it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWT-CCM-SEWN-WAYNE-GRETZKY-99-LOS-ANGELES-KINGS-VINTAGE-NHL-JERSEY-MENS-L-/140988471580?pt=U_Hockey_Fan_Shop&hash=item20d391591c

[Ronin13]

Besides, the worst part of rollerblading?
Telling your parents your gay.......
[ROFL1] That's awesome!

Hockey...there is a reason why there is a line change every 45-60 seconds. Hockey is one of the few sports where every player (except the goalie) must have a combination of explosiveness and endurance as well as hand to eye coordination and reaction time like no other sport not to mention be tough as hell. An NHL goalie is just a freak of nature.

Baseball...any sport that a player can play from beginning to end without breaking a sweat is pretty weak. It certainly takes skill to play the game, but it is not very physically demanding (reason they can play 162 games in a season). The most challenging part of the game is standing idle for long periods of time and not falling asleep.
FTFY. [Coffee] Seriously, I love baseball, love going to the games, but dammit all, when I played it was about the slowest game ever... At 12 you need something to keep your ADD riddled self occupied other than standing at center field dreaming of when you're next going to get to put a firecracker in an ant hill.
Yeah, my cousin's son wants to be a goalie, I just said "No, you won't be one, you give up too easily and you're a wimp (he's 8 and been playing for 3 years), stick to being a forward."

[HoneyBadger]

I admire the point that Bert made about Hockey Players being better people outside the sport, but it's not relavent to this debate at all.

Just ask the person "Which sport sees more fights break out (and quasi-sanctions them at that)?"

Again, what does that have to do with athleticism?

[HoneyBadger]

Baseball...any sport that a player can play from beginning to end without breaking a sweat is pretty weak. It certainly takes skill to play the game, but it is not very physically demanding (reason they can play 162 games in a season). The most challenging part of the game is standing idle for long periods of time and sprinting without pulling a muscle.

Disregard my earlier comment... I read it as "basketball" not "baseball". You are absolutely right! lol I love how so many baseball players have big beer guts...

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I admire the point that Bert made about Hockey Players being better people outside the sport, but it's not relavent to this debate at all.


Again, what does that have to do with athleticism?


First you're shooting a puck at a net and then BLAM! you're fighting for the king of the douche bag awards... Well, that's how it is in beer league anyway....

[JM Ver. 2.0]

They don't sweat? Clearly, you haven't ever watched or played basketball.

I love you... But you missed the FIRST WORD of his post.....


Silly goose. [fags]

[JM Ver. 2.0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=a2lEUxwngZA

[JM Ver. 2.0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iTME67tnZJE

[Ronin13]

JM, I see your love of Timmy Thomas and raise you Ovechkin's most amazingly incredible goal EVER:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzbmI6-YSnQ

[BPTactical]

Fights in hockey serve a very well planned and useful purpose. You don't want your best players getting railed unjustly and having an "enforcer" or "goon" keeps the other team in check. Make a bad run at a good player just to try and take him out of the game and you may as well resign yourself to the fact that your next shift the gloves are coming off.
Remember what I said about "ettiquite" on the ice?
That's part of it. A strategically planned fight can turn the tide of a game, it can have a way of psychologically boosting a team in a close game that has been getting bad breaks etc.
The proverbial shot in the arm.

Delfuego- I did infact play goal for a total of about 7 years, 5 when I was in school and 2+ in the adult leagues at Hyland Hills. I gave it up in the beer leagues when I got so frustrated I got in a fight playing in the net and got bounced from the game and the next one as well. I thought it was stupid to spend so much to have "fun" and then miss playing cause I was a knucklehead and frustrated.
I went back out to defense the next season.
Goalies love a defenseman that sees the game the same way they do.I miss the intensity of the net though, everything is that much more in focus and the puck seems as big as a basketball when your in the psych.
I had to stop playing in 08 after I blew out my back at work but I find myself jonesing for some ice time now. Maybe I will have to check out a "stick & puck" soon. Got the itch to bang the biscuit around a bit eh?

[ray1970]

This should solve the debate.

I'm 42 years old and have poor cardio.

If you wanted to get a little basketball game going at the local park I could probably play for a while and maybe even keep up with everyone a bit.

If you wanted me to strap on skates and try my hand at hockey, I imagine I would drop dead from a heart attack in about two minutes.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

JM, I see your love of Timmy Thomas and raise you Ovechkin's most amazingly incredible goal EVER:


Here's one that didn't involve a ton of luck.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aVTMYEElGpI

[MrPrena]

I played more basketball than a hockey. I voted for hockey.
I did NOT play JRV, V, nor NCAA level on neither of those 2 sports.

[TennVol]

I've played both (neither very well). Hockey is WAY more physically demanding than basketball.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

And just because I love the try hards....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xoSBMDpBw5Q

[BPTactical]

And just because I love the try hards

You love yourself?
Doesn't that make you a lesbian?[LOL]

[JM Ver. 2.0]

You love yourself?
Doesn't that make you a lesbian?

I don't try very hard when I play hockey.

[Delfuego]

If you wanted me to strap on skates and try my hand at hockey, I imagine I would drop dead from a heart attack in about two minutes.I played with a young guy who had heart-attacks and a genetically weak heart. His cardiologist actually told him that hockey was great for his heart because nothing else could make it as strong. Unbelievable cardio and muscle strength. BTW he let me know where his Nitro pills were on the bench in case he collapsed on the rink....

[akumadiavolo]

Depends on the kind of hockey and the position played. If you are talking about the redneck NHL bullshit, then that. If you are talking about the more skilled version the rest of the world plays, then basketball. Hockey is more about hard sprints followed resting, basketball is more consistently demanding since you play for longer with fewer breaks. An average NHL starter plays about 20 minutes per game out of 60, while an average NBA starter is about 35 out of 48. Also playing defense in hockey is far easier than playing an attacker since there less movement, not to mention the goalie. Playing a PG-SF in basketball in more physically demanding stamina wise than C or PF.

All in all there are far too many variables to have a flat out answer.

[Delfuego]

An average NHL starter plays about 20 minutes per game out of 60, while an average NBA starter is about 35 out of 48. Also playing defense in hockey is far easier than playing an attacker since there less movement, not to mention the goalie. [ROFL1] You dont know much about hockey do you...

[lpgasman]

Who is the dillhole that voted Basketball but is too much of a wuss to show himself in the thread?

I voted basketball, it would be easier for me to coast from one side to the other than run. dont make me ban you.
[Mad]

[MarkCO]

I voted hockey, not much of a vote as anyone who has played any competitive team sports can easily figure it out. However, athletic ability is but one aspect. Until you get to about 16 or 17 years old, passion and drive are the most important. In college, you pretty much have to have 2 of the 3 (athletic, passion, proper mental control), but by the time you hits the pros, what separates the all-stars from the rest of the pros is all mental.

Hockey Goalie and Baseball pitcher, in pro sports, are the two most challenging positions of all, mostly because of the mental aspect. The most physically challenging pro team sports position is probably the rover in soccer.

[Madeinhb]

And just because I love the try hards....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xoSBMDpBw5Q

I remember this. Was so funny.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I voted basketball, it would be easier for me to coast from one side to the other than run. dont make me ban you.
[Mad]

I'm going to tell you the same thing I told the feeble old man Omicron..

Ban me? That's all you got? I've done time, essey... Hard time in the pen... You don't scare me, homes....



OR! In typical Colorado Department of Corrections inmate speak...

I'M D.O.C, BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [panic][panic][panic]

[Madeinhb]

Depends on the kind of hockey and the position played. If you are talking about the redneck NHL bullshit, then that. If you are talking about the more skilled version the rest of the world plays, then basketball. Hockey is more about hard sprints followed resting, basketball is more consistently demanding since you play for longer with fewer breaks. An average NHL starter plays about 20 minutes per game out of 60, while an average NBA starter is about 35 out of 48. Also playing defense in hockey is far easier than playing an attacker since there less movement, not to mention the goalie. Playing a PG-SF in basketball in more physically demanding stamina wise than C or PF.

All in all there are far too many variables to have a flat out answer.

I've played hockey as well as sf in basketball. Hockey takes a lot more. Sorry but you're wrong. Hockey players go 100% the time they are on ice. Basketball players don't. So that whole plays more minutes isn't a fair argument. That's like saying if I sprinted as fast as I could for 20 straight minutes and you walked for 40 minutes, that you have more athleticism than me cause you did it longer. Doesn't make sense.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

And THIS... Is why I love Tim Thomas...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/tim-thomas-says-he-skipped-white-house-trip-because-government-has-grown-out-of-control/2012/01/24/gIQAixGINQ_blog.html

Tim Thomas says he skipped White House trip because ‘government has grown out of control’


“I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People.
“This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government.
“Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.
“This is the only public statement I will be making on this topic. TT”

[akumadiavolo]

[ROFL1] You dont know much about hockey do you...

I played from the age of 8 till I was 17. Don't know much about recent NHL events as I stopped watching that junk after the lost season.

What do you disagree with? The minutes? In their last full season the NHL had 3 players average 30 minutes per game and the NBA. The NHl only had 24 players average over 21 minutes, 96 players did that in the NBA. NBA players play more minutes. It is undeniable.

Attackers move more than defensemen and goalies? You can have very active defensemen or inactive attackers, but in general this is very true.

Everything I stated there is factually correct.


I've played hockey as well as sf in basketball. Hockey takes a lot more. Sorry but you're wrong. Hockey players go 100% the time they are on ice. Basketball players don't. So that whole plays more minutes isn't a fair argument. That's like saying if I sprinted as fast as I could for 20 straight minutes and you walked for 40 minutes, that you have more athleticism than me cause you did it longer. Doesn't make sense.

LOL, hockey players go 100% all the time? That is just laughable. They do just as much standing around on the ice as basketball players do on the court. Also people tend to forget that jumping takes far more energy than running or skating. Try running for 5 minutes and then jumping for 5 minutes and see which one tries you out faster. Last I checked there is a lot of jumping in basketball and not so much in hockey.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

I forgot to mention hockey is just gay Canadian soccer.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=txBVdz6UO3U

[buffalobo]

I forgot to mention hockey is just gay Canadian soccer.

:screwy: :D

In the cold too.

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[sniper7]

I voted basketball. I'm torn.

Hockey is more demanding physically and they go all out typically for short Bursts and that is why they line change more often. It takes some finesse, aim and power to make it into a net with a guy in front of it.

Basketball is demanding for endurance so players can make it most of the game and get some breaks. Much more finess and skill required to have the touch to make shots consistently. Not the same since you don't have a guy standing in front of the rim but the rim also isn't twice the size of the backboard. And it is elevated, not on the same plane.

Hockey fights are much more fun to watch. The players typically seem more down to earth.

I love hockey games, I enjoy basketball if it is the playoffs when they actually seem to try, or college ball is awesome to watch.
All l know is they don't have march madness for hockey so basketball wins IMO.

[BPTactical]

I played from the age of 8 till I was 17.
Attackers move more than defensemen and goalies? You can have very active defensemen or inactive attackers, but in general this is very true.

Everything I stated there is factually correct.



LOL, hockey players go 100% all the time? That is just laughable. They do just as much standing around on the ice as basketball players do on the court. Also people tend to forget that jumping takes far more energy than running or skating. Try running for 5 minutes and then jumping for 5 minutes and see which one tries you out faster. Last I checked there is a lot of jumping in basketball and not so much in hockey.

What did you play, pond hockey? That's the only place I have seen players stand around unless there was a whistle.
True older styles of hockey tended to have "stay at home" defenseman and what you call "attackers" are known as forwards, which traditionally were the offensive players.
The game has changed, offensive defenseman are as common as defensive forwards and you have to be able to play "two way" hockey to even get on ice in a competitive team. Forechecking and backchecking are critical in today's game.
And your statement on goaltenders is respectfully 100% inaccurate. As stated earlier the goaltender is the only player that is on the ice the entire game. He must remain in peak mental and physical condition and "in the game" the entire 60 minutes.
Ever try moving sideways on goal skates without lifting them while staying square to the shooter with your stick on the ice and your catch hand ready?
Ever try butterflying and popping up instantainiously and sideways to square off to the rebound?
Or moving post to post to stop a wrap around attempt?
All while wearing pads that are 12" wide and 33" long and pants and chest protector that make you feel like the Michelin man and are soaked with sweat after 58:00 minutes of play. Let's add the dynamic of having to know without taking your eye off of the puck what 11 other players are doing.
Yes, goaltenders must be in as good of shape if not better than any other player.
Strap some pads on, give it a try. I guarantee your ass will be worn out in 15 minutes like you never knew before.

[sroz]

LOL, hockey players go 100% all the time? That is just laughable. They do just as much standing around on the ice as basketball players do on the court. Also people tend to forget that jumping takes far more energy than running or skating. Try running for 5 minutes and then jumping for 5 minutes and see which one tries you out faster. Last I checked there is a lot of jumping in basketball and not so much in hockey.

WTF does 5 min. of jumping have to do with anything? What BB player does that? They only jump when they HAVE to. Hockey players are ALWAYS skating. Your comparison makes no sense.

[Madeinhb]

I played from the age of 8 till I was 17. Don't know much about recent NHL events as I stopped watching that junk after the lost season.

What do you disagree with? The minutes? In their last full season the NHL had 3 players average 30 minutes per game and the NBA. The NHl only had 24 players average over 21 minutes, 96 players did that in the NBA. NBA players play more minutes. It is undeniable.

Attackers move more than defensemen and goalies? You can have very active defensemen or inactive attackers, but in general this is very true.

Everything I stated there is factually correct.



LOL, hockey players go 100% all the time? That is just laughable. They do just as much standing around on the ice as basketball players do on the court. Also people tend to forget that jumping takes far more energy than running or skating. Try running for 5 minutes and then jumping for 5 minutes and see which one tries you out faster. Last I checked there is a lot of jumping in basketball and not so much in hockey.

When hockey players are skating on the ice, they are moving. Basketball plays barely run full speed. They usually jog or walk up and down the court. And while jumping does use energy, they aren't all doing it at once. And you forget, basketball has more fouls, TV timeouts, etc to stop plays. I'm not saying basketball isn't a physical demanding sport. It was which needs more, and hockey will always be the answer.

[Madeinhb]

I voted basketball. I'm torn.

Basketball is demanding for endurance so players can make it most of the game and get some breaks. Much more finess and skill required to have the touch to make shots consistently. Not the same since you don't have a guy standing in front of the rim but the rim also isn't twice the size of the backboard. And it is elevated, not on the same plane.

Um in today's basketball environment, players specialize in certain parts of the game. Shaq was not a finesse player. He was a give me the ball and ill dunk it. Some players are really great shots, some are for dunking and some rebounds. Not all bball players have finesse. But to play hockey, every player needs to be able to skate, etc.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Gay soccer on ice.

[BPTactical]

Gay soccer on ice.

Somebody didn't do well on his sisters skates on the pond did they?

[sroz]

Somebody didn't do well on his sisters skates on the pond did they?

Lol....brutal!

[JM Ver. 2.0]

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[n8tive97]

Hockey for sure, period end of the conversation.

[sniper7]

Um in today's basketball environment, players specialize in certain parts of the game. Shaq was not a finesse player. He was a give me the ball and ill dunk it. Some players are really great shots, some are for dunking and some rebounds. Not all bball players have finesse. But to play hockey, every player needs to be able to skate, etc.

Thats like saying every basketball player needs to be able to make it down the court...or maybe just stay and defend/rebound and or dunk...

Half the hockey players stay back for defense. The goalie barely moves his ass except to gather up a puck to slide to the ref.
Hockey scores so few points they had to allow for power plays that probably account for almost half the goals in a game.

Hockey is cool because of the contact. If it wasn't for that, they are essentially a smaller field soccer team on ice wearing pads and helmets carrying sticks. Just not many points scored. Yeah...soccer has Goooooooooooaaaaaaaallllllll! But you get a buzzer and a light!

[lpgasman]

I'm going to tell you the same thing I told the feeble old man Omicron..

Ban me? That's all you got? I've done time, essey... Hard time in the pen... You don't scare me, homes....



OR! In typical Colorado Department of Corrections inmate speak...

I'M D.O.C, BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [panic][panic][panic]

Ssssssssss, damn vatos locos forever!

[Aloha_Shooter]

What, no votes for synchronized swimming?

[ROFL2]

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Ssssssssss, damn vatos locos forever!

More like vatos jotos.

[wes56]

After playing hockey and basketball growing up, I would have to say hockey is way more intense and physically demanding. Now if this was a poll between hockey and Lacrosse. That would be a toss up in my book.

[wes56]

+1 for this shit! What about competitive disc golf [ROFL3]

[lpgasman]

More like vatos jotos.

Honey hush.

[Madeinhb]

Thats like saying every basketball player needs to be able to make it down the court...or maybe just stay and defend/rebound and or dunk...

Half the hockey players stay back for defense. The goalie barely moves his ass except to gather up a puck to slide to the ref.
Hockey scores so few points they had to allow for power plays that probably account for almost half the goals in a game.

Hockey is cool because of the contact. If it wasn't for that, they are essentially a smaller field soccer team on ice wearing pads and helmets carrying sticks. Just not many points scored. Yeah...soccer has Goooooooooooaaaaaaaallllllll! But you get a buzzer and a light!

Umm last I checked the defenseman go up and down the ice. I didn't say they stood there but basketball players aren't running full speed the entire. Most jog.

[ImNtUrBuddyGuy]

45 or 9mm?..

This is apple to oranges in my opinion.

You can make an argument for either. Watch Magic Johnson highlights, he was an athletic freak at point guard who could play any position (and he did).

The sports are totally different.

I voted bball just to be a contrarian ;)

[Drilldov2.0]

Exactly, I played hockey for 15 years, up to Juniors. (I thought I may be able to make a run through Majors and possibly go NHL. Until our team scrimmaged the North Stars. lol) I played as a defenseman for most of it. Spent a lot of time in the box. Because if you harass my goalie or dare touch my goalie, I am coming after you. If I don't get to you on that shift, coach will switch lines for me to get you on your next one. Mess with one of our top players, I am going to introduce myself to you. That being said, hockey is way more intense and athletic than basketball. I have played both. Never was I in better condition than when I was playing hockey.


Fights in hockey serve a very well planned and useful purpose. You don't want your best players getting railed unjustly and having an "enforcer" or "goon" keeps the other team in check. Make a bad run at a good player just to try and take him out of the game and you may as well resign yourself to the fact that your next shift the gloves are coming off.
Remember what I said about "ettiquite" on the ice?
That's part of it. A strategically planned fight can turn the tide of a game, it can have a way of psychologically boosting a team in a close game that has been getting bad breaks etc.
The proverbial shot in the arm.

Delfuego- I did infact play goal for a total of about 7 years, 5 when I was in school and 2+ in the adult leagues at Hyland Hills. I gave it up in the beer leagues when I got so frustrated I got in a fight playing in the net and got bounced from the game and the next one as well. I thought it was stupid to spend so much to have "fun" and then miss playing cause I was a knucklehead and frustrated.
I went back out to defense the next season.
Goalies love a defenseman that sees the game the same way they do.I miss the intensity of the net though, everything is that much more in focus and the puck seems as big as a basketball when your in the psych.
I had to stop playing in 08 after I blew out my back at work but I find myself jonesing for some ice time now. Maybe I will have to check out a "stick & puck" soon. Got the itch to bang the biscuit around a bit eh?

[JM Ver. 2.0]

DrillDov and Bert....

If you ever want to, the APEX Center down in Arvada has skate and shoots every morning... I'd love to meet up on a Monday or Tuesday morning.

And, if I don't have softball, I play in a drop in on Tuesday nights... If you feel up to it, I could get ya a spot.

[BPTactical]

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Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

Awesome!
You found pictures of your Grandma!

[jerrymrc]

I'm going to tell you the same thing I told the feeble old man Omicron..

Ban me? That's all you got? I've done time, essey... Hard time in the pen... You don't scare me, homes....



OR! In typical Colorado Department of Corrections inmate speak...

I'M D.O.C, BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [panic][panic][panic]

Paul had nothing to do with it but Hoser said next time you become part of the red mist from his C130.[LOL]

This one is as good as a 9 vs 45 or Jeep/Toyota fight [handbags] but in my mind Hockey wins. Have nothing to go on as I played Football.

[Delfuego]

I didn't know that Fat & Slow could actually be captured in a photograph.... and then Bam!


http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/22/ja4esyqy.jpg

Seriously though, I do have a little more respect for JM... but only a little.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Paul had nothing to do with it but Hoser said next time you become part of the red mist from his C130.[LOL]

This one is as good as a 9 vs 45 or Jeep/Toyota fight [handbags] but in my mind Hockey wins. Have nothing to go on as I played Football.

No no... I know who banned me. The stuff I said in here came from another thread with Paul and I. All good fun.

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Awesome!
You found pictures of your Grandma!


I didn't know that Fat & Slow could actually be captured in a photograph.... and then Bam!



Seriously though, I do have a little more respect for JM... but only a little.

You two are going to hurt my feelers.

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[Delfuego]

You two are going to hurt my feelers.Not if your a hockey playa... Fat, slow and shit hands are the best complement I get at the rink nowadays.

[BPTactical]

You two are going to hurt my feelers.

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

Sew up your gash, get your gloves on and smack the biscuit you cementhead....

[TheBelly]

Aside from a very few notable exceptions when was the last time a hockey player got jammed up about a pound of weed in the car, an illegal weapon possession, complicity in a homicide, domestic violence or the like?
Daily occurance for NBA and NFL players it seems.

I like watching the NFL and NBA off-season.... it's called COPS.

[PugnacAutMortem]

I haven't read all of the posts so I am not sure if someone already made this argument, but I think this is the most compelling argument for hockey.

How many fat old guys do you see playing pick up hockey games (not many. maybe old guys but not fat guys)? How many of those same guys will go out and play pick up basketball (many a fat and or old guy will play pick up basketball)?

*mic drop*

[Ronin13]

Thats like saying every basketball player needs to be able to make it down the court...or maybe just stay and defend/rebound and or dunk...

Half the hockey players stay back for defense. The goalie barely moves his ass except to gather up a puck to slide to the ref.
Hockey scores so few points they had to allow for power plays that probably account for almost half the goals in a game.

Hockey is cool because of the contact. If it wasn't for that, they are essentially a smaller field soccer team on ice wearing pads and helmets carrying sticks. Just not many points scored. Yeah...soccer has Goooooooooooaaaaaaaallllllll! But you get a buzzer and a light!
Sounds to me like someone didn't get picked for those pickup games on the weekends... Do you even watch hockey, bro? [Poke]

After playing hockey and basketball growing up, I would have to say hockey is way more intense and physically demanding. Now if this was a poll between hockey and Lacrosse. That would be a toss up in my book.
This is why I didn't even bother bringing Lacrosse into the argument- pretty even matched.

I like watching the NFL and NBA off-season.... it's called COPS.
[ROFL1] So very true... kinda sad really.

I haven't read all of the posts so I am not sure if someone already made this argument, but I think this is the most compelling argument for hockey.

How many fat old guys do you see playing pick up hockey games? How many of those same guys will go out and play pick up basketball?

*mic drop*
Uh both? Can you clarify which side you're speaking about that doesn't have fat old guys playing? I've played pick up with some pretty old dudes (late 50's- that's pretty old to play on a frozen lake with guys in their early 20's), and I've been to some men's league b-ball games (never played) where there are some old fat guys hustling out on the court- looks like an episode of the Biggest Loser. So what side are you defending?

[Delfuego]

How many fat old guys do you see playing pick up hockey games? How many of those same guys will go out and play pick up basketball?Lets see your ass go play hockey. That should be good for a laugh.

[PugnacAutMortem]

Uh both? Can you clarify which side you're speaking about that doesn't have fat old guys playing? I've played pick up with some pretty old dudes (late 50's- that's pretty old to play on a frozen lake with guys in their early 20's), and I've been to some men's league b-ball games (never played) where there are some old fat guys hustling out on the court- looks like an episode of the Biggest Loser. So what side are you defending?


Lets see your ass go play hockey. That should be good for a laugh.

I guess I wasn't clear enough. You don't see fat guys playing hockey. There's plenty of fat guys playing basketball. Hell, even at a professional level.

And delfuego...not sure what you read or what you assumed about me...but that was an interesting response.

[MarkCO]

FWIW, the old fat guy comments are pretty far off point. Athletic ability has NOTHING to do with how old or fat you are. Physical condition, speed, how long you can go, but actual athletic ability...ZILCH!

[ZERO THEORY]

Basketball, IMO. While putting a shot in the top shelf over a goalie's glove, or in the five hole requires a LOT of precision and coordination, I think the overall intuition with physics required to maneuver around a defender, jump, judge the distance and stroke needed, then release a shot in basketball outshines it in spades. To say nothing of the visual-physical-auditory coordination needed to dribble through a group of defenders while scanning the rest of the floor and evaluating where, when, and how hard to either pass, or where to then move and restart steps 1-4 all within a fraction of a second for the whole time you've got the ball.

I also consider athleticism to be two-fold. Not only the coordination and cognitive skills, but physical capabilities. Namely: speed, strength, and stamina in the respiratory and muscular systems. It goes without saying that basketball players are faster, more agile, can jump higher, and move with much more dexterity. While hockey players are stronger, they're still inferior against the versatility of a basketball player, IMO. Keep in mind that guys like Lebron, Kobe, and D. Rose are regularly on the floor for 3/4 or more of the game. Even Patrick Kane is getting out on line changes every few minutes.

In short, I must give hockey players their due as top athletes, but I think in terms of pure objective athleticism, basketball players are in a completely different echelon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypCGdhGxNjk


Also, for what it's worth, neither of them will ever touch a footballer (real football). Messi, Drogba, Ronaldino, and RVP are gods amongst men.

[Delfuego]

I guess I wasn't clear enough. You don't see fat guys playing hockey. There's plenty of fat guys playing basketball. Hell, even at a professional level.

And delfuego...not sure what you read or what you assumed about me...but that was an interesting response.Sorry, got carried away...

Step into a hockey locker room and you will see lots of fat naked men... You just cant tell because of the loose sweater eh? You can be fat and good at hockey, kinda like judo in that way. You just have to know how to play.

[PugnacAutMortem]

Step into a hockey locker room and you will see lots of fat naked men

Remind me to never EVER step foot in a hockey locker room.

[Delfuego]

Remind me to never EVER step foot in a hockey locker room.Have you ever been in the cockpit of an airplane? Do you like movies about gladiators?

[Ronin13]

Zero Theory-
While I have to say that was a very well thought out and logical argument- I will state this: One an 8mi run at a 6min/mi pace, I would say that for endurance, strength and stamina both a top level hockey player and top level basketball player would be evenly matched. On a cross compatibility test (meaning they each do common exercises the other sport does) the hockey player would be able to dribble, jog, sprint, walk, and pass without issues. However, the basketball player, if we assume he is capable of skating, would probably have problems at the end of what we hockey players call "an unusually long shift." That, my friend, is where I would place the hockey player on a higher level of athletic ability. Remember, both are conditioned similarly, but most often people will use the short-shift cop out, only because they don't understand that one, 20-min period of "short" shifts at a higher level of intensity is much more exhaustive than one half of basketball play time. And I know this because I've done both, and find hockey to be quite noticeably more athletically demanding.

[Scanker19]

Hockey is for pussies that don't like Sprite.

[MarkCO]

Zero Theory-
While I have to say that was a very well thought out and logical argument- I will state this: One an 8mi run at a 6min/mi pace, I would say that for endurance, strength and stamina both a top level hockey player and top level basketball player would be evenly matched. On a cross compatibility test (meaning they each do common exercises the other sport does) the hockey player would be able to dribble, jog, sprint, walk, and pass without issues. However, the basketball player, if we assume he is capable of skating, would probably have problems at the end of what we hockey players call "an unusually long shift." That, my friend, is where I would place the hockey player on a higher level of athletic ability. Remember, both are conditioned similarly, but most often people will use the short-shift cop out, only because they don't understand that one, 20-min period of "short" shifts at a higher level of intensity is much more exhaustive than one half of basketball play time. And I know this because I've done both, and find hockey to be quite noticeably more athletically demanding.

Yeah, but realize that one test that tested athlete's from all sports from a Div 1 school concluded that Baseball was overall the hardest sport. The top athletes from other sports fared miserably at baseball while the baseball players did very well at the other sports. Add to the mix that the best baseball players skip college and go straight to minor league teams not really hitting their prime until 28 while other sports prime out at about 23 to 24. Where's my monkey wrench.

[ZERO THEORY]

However, the basketball player, if we assume he is capable of skating, would probably have problems at the end of what we hockey players call "an unusually long shift." .

You do raise an interesting point here. However, I'd venture to say that the crossover plays both ways. A basketball player might struggle during a long shift, or be rudimentary at skating and stick skills, but the hockey player's in the same boat. He may be able to dribble, pass, and shoot, but only at the fundamental level as well. Hejduk isn't going to be able to drive to the basket on NBA players any better than Chris Paul is going to be able to crash the net against NHL players.

In keeping with my original cognitive and physical combo point from my previous post, look at that D. Rose video. He's making all the calculations I mentioned, getting airborne, then completely changing course and moving the ball in a different direction mid-flight. The amount of agility, speed, and plain ol' movement involved in one shooting play of his reads like a physiological scientist's wet dream. In hockey, a little bit of stickhandling and a feint before a shot is about as multifaceted as it gets during a single scoring attempt.

[spyder]

Are you guys talking about being good at the sport, or, just playing the damn thing? I played hockey only a couple times, and it wasn't that hard... I sucked though, and, didn't do much. I was great at b-ball, and runnin the damn court got tiring fast. In my case, basketball was harder, because I was better, and was able to do more/did more. I went back and forth on the ice, tried to do as much as I could, but wasn't really a threat to anyone of the other team as much as myself. I didn't get tired while playing hockey. So, the question stands for me, are you talking about being equally good at both sports, and which one at that point takes more stamina, or "athleticism"? I say Motocross (done right).

[def90]

Athleticism... about the same. Toughness.. hockey hands down. Both take a high level of skill and talent but basketball just doesn't stand up when it comes to taking a beating on a daily basis.

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[ZERO THEORY]

Are you guys talking about being good at the sport, or, just playing the damn thing? I played hockey only a couple times, and it wasn't that hard... I sucked though, and, didn't do much. I was great at b-ball, and runnin the damn court got tiring fast. In my case, basketball was harder, because I was better, and was able to do more/did more. I went back and forth on the ice, tried to do as much as I could, but wasn't really a threat to anyone of the other team as much as myself. I didn't get tired while playing hockey. So, the question stands for me, are you talking about being equally good at both sports, and which one at that point takes more stamina, or "athleticism"? I say Motocross (done right).

I am looking at what the elite in each sport do physiologically during a standard play/action. There is no objective scale for how hard it is to become proficient at something, as some people can pick up aeronautical physics in half a semester while others struggle to read the syllabus in a 101 course. This applies tenfold to natural athleticism.
So I like to judge the two based on how quick they move during play, how many calculative movements are involved in a single play, how long their musculoskeletal system can perform at its peak during play, how much sensory coordination is involved in performing, and how "smart" they have to be to calculate their next movement/action.


Athleticism... about the same. Toughness.. hockey hands down. Both take a high level of skill and talent but basketball just doesn't stand up when it comes to taking a beating on a daily basis.


But toughness has nothing to do with this discussion. If it did, Muay Thai would probably be unanimously heralded as the 'toughest' sport, with a myriad of combat sports to follow, then rugby blowing hockey out of the water. Kind of irrelevant, no?

[jhood001]

It is unfortunate that a top level athlete hasn't ever excelled in both of these sports because then someone qualified would exist that could answer this insanely stupid poll question.

I personally believe that if such an athlete existed, that individual would say something along the lines of: 'You can't compare the two'.

On a few occasions, I have been dragged into debating irrelevant and impossible to answer topics. Usually while drinking. I then wake up the following morning and laugh at my own stupidity. Perhaps I'll bring the next topic to this forum in the fashion of a poll in order to continue my amusement of my own stupid self.

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[BPTactical]

But hockey is the only game left for average sized white guys with jacked up teeth and talk funny eh[Tooth]




Oh, and the Blackhawks win Lord Stanleys Cup!
Congrats Chicago[Beer]

[MarkCO]

The interview with Dave Logan and Dave Winfield, the only 2 people to have ever been drafted in three sports, was very revealing. I will see if I can find it.

[MrPrena]

Blackhawks win!!! :)