View Full Version : Took my boy camping this weekend.....
JMBD2112
06-23-2013, 17:33
Went up to Geneva Creek and took my son on his first camping trip this weekend. Yesterday afternoon we shot some pistols and a Park County Sheriff showed up and informed us that there is a shooting ban (except for lead bullets) effective in Park county right now. Before we left, I had hopped on the National forest's website to check and see if there was any current ban's, and I informed him I had done so. He told me that in CO that the county sheriff could impose a ban even in the National Forest (which I didn't know) and it was a $1000 fine. He just took my name and said he wouldn't cite me. Turned out to be a pretty good guy and ended up shootin the sh*t with him for 30 min. or so before he had a call and had to leave. Anyway, just to let you guys know, there's a shooting ban in Park county.
Is there a fire ban? Pretty much any time there is a fire ban you can assume there is a shooting ban as well.
What is the difference between copper jacketed and lead bullets as far as fire goes?
Copper incenerates trees and mountain grasses. Its a known fact among everyone....
I don't get it, but I guess I'm just a responsible shooter.
JMBD2112
06-23-2013, 20:32
They did have a fire ban issued by the national forest, but they didn't issue a shooting ban, the sheriff's dept did
centrarchidae
06-23-2013, 20:40
When Park County gets as dry as most of it is, Sheriff Wegener will ban almost anything that sparks. Fairplay and Alma have gotten a few drops but Jefferson is a little dry and Hartsel and Lake George were not pretty the last time I drove through.
Either that or Fred Wegener is really anti-gun and in Bloomberg's pocket.
JMBD2112
06-23-2013, 21:46
Copper incenerates trees and mountain grasses. Its a known fact among everyone....
I don't get it, but I guess I'm just a responsible shooter.
I've never understood it either. Islandermyk and myself have had the park rangers at pawnee stop us and tell us no metal jacketed rounds too, but they never checked our ammo.
spongejosh
06-23-2013, 23:39
Other than the shooting how was the camping? Did you just pull off the trail and pop a tent?
JMBD2112
06-24-2013, 07:05
Other than the shooting how was the camping? Did you just pull off the trail and pop a tent?
Camping was good, it was mid 70's during the day and hitting the 40's at night. There's an abandoned mining camp at the top of the mountain that we take the jeeps up to and play around and we're not far from red cone and Webster pass either. It's a pretty nice spot.
rockhound
06-24-2013, 08:19
the fire bans are all instituted by the local sheriff, they work with forest service, but the bans come down from their office. this is because the forest service cannot shut down private lands, the sheriff has jurisdiction over all the land in his/her county
the shooting ban depends on the level of fire ban, fred is most definitely pro gun, the issues arrive with the flack he took last year from not issuing a fire ban when a lot of other counties had. he may be a bit over zealous this year. not that we want a fire here that is for sure,
BTW this is a repost :)
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/106939-as-of-june-12th-Park-County-under-fire-ban-(-no-shooting)
What is the difference between copper jacketed and lead bullets as far as fire goes?
Bullets with any kind of steel in them can create sparks and start fires. There are many outdoor ranges in the South West that do not allow any bullets that atract a magnet to be used outdoors. Lead bullets will not start a fire.
speedysst
06-24-2013, 11:01
Park County did away with the levels of fire ban. Sheriff Wegener went with the KISS principle to make it easier for the public to understand. Also he is being very cautious because at the time of the ban, fire fighting resources were stretched extremely thin and any fire in Park County might have ended up as a catastrophe.
the fire bans are all instituted by the local sheriff, they work with forest service, but the bans come down from their office. this is because the forest service cannot shut down private lands, the sheriff has jurisdiction over all the land in his/her county
the shooting ban depends on the level of fire ban, fred is most definitely pro gun, the issues arrive with the flack he took last year from not issuing a fire ban when a lot of other counties had. he may be a bit over zealous this year. not that we want a fire here that is for sure,
BTW this is a repost :)
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/106939-as-of-june-12th-Park-County-under-fire-ban-(-no-shooting)
JMBD2112
06-24-2013, 18:52
the fire bans are all instituted by the local sheriff, they work with forest service, but the bans come down from their office. this is because the forest service cannot shut down private lands, the sheriff has jurisdiction over all the land in his/her county
the shooting ban depends on the level of fire ban, fred is most definitely pro gun, the issues arrive with the flack he took last year from not issuing a fire ban when a lot of other counties had. he may be a bit over zealous this year. not that we want a fire here that is for sure,
BTW this is a repost :)
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/106939-as-of-june-12th-Park-County-under-fire-ban-(-no-shooting)
I searched buddy but didn't see it, I apologize
rockhound
06-24-2013, 18:58
I searched buddy but didn't see it, I apologize
no reason to apologize i just wanted others to see the original post cause i had the link to the fire ban info as there are some other threads also with the link
Bullets with any kind of steel in them can create sparks and start fires. There are many outdoor ranges in the South West that do not allow any bullets that atract a magnet to be used outdoors. Lead bullets will not start a fire.
Does copper have steel in it?
Does copper have steel in it?
Nope, but lead bullets almost never have a steel core. Many copper jacketed (rifle) rounds do, particularly mil-surplus, and deputies don't have time to magnet check every round. I think the theory here is "better safe than sorry".
Nope, but lead bullets almost never have a steel core. Many copper jacketed (rifle) rounds do, particularly mil-surplus, and deputies don't have time to magnet check every round. I think the theory here is "better safe than sorry".
yep..
I have shot plenty of copper jacketed 7.62 rounds (or any other bullet for that matter) over the years that had steel cores. Can't say I've even heard of a lead bullet with a steel core.
Nope, but lead bullets almost never have a steel core. Many copper jacketed (rifle) rounds do, particularly mil-surplus, and deputies don't have time to magnet check every round. I think the theory here is "better safe than sorry".
Thank you for having an answer that makes sense. Jokes on them when I shoot my lead jacketed anti-freeze rounds.
yep..
I have shot plenty of copper jacketed 7.62 rounds (or any other bullet for that matter) over the years that had steel cores. Can't say I've even heard of a lead bullet with a steel core.
SS109/M855 (5.56 old GI rounds) are lead with a steel penetrator core. Very common surplus round pre-panic.
Cutaway picture is about halfway down in this thread:
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=560309
SS109/M855 (5.56 old GI rounds) are lead with a steel penetrator core. Very common surplus round pre-panic.
Cutaway picture is about halfway down in this thread:
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=560309
Still copper jacketed, no exposed lead.
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