BCG Coatings

[Cylinder Head]

I'm working on a build and am planning on running it mostly suppressed. For cleaning purposes I would like to have my BCG coated. At the moment I am leaning toward NiB but I know there are new breakthroughs in that field regularly. Can anyone recommend a coating and a place to get it done here in CO?

[Great-Kazoo]

Go gas piston, the ease of cleaning and minimizing of residue in the bolt / upper , vs DI is amazing. OR get a chrome, NiB, Robar style finish, like you inquired about.
FWIW: running suppressed is not only about the BCG, the lower will amass as much crap as the upper, which is why i went with an Adams Arms set up.

[spyder]

Do as Jim said. Also, I've gone my own way with coatings... TiN PVD is my new favorite way to coat. It looks a hell of a lot better, more durable, and cleans easier then the other coatings claim to clean... That doesn't actually help you in any way, but.... Ok, sorry for not helping.........

[Cylinder Head]

Forgot to say I already have the barrel and BCG so this will not be a piston build, nor am I a fan of piston AR's that aren't made by HK. I will look into the TiN PVD.

[spyder]

This was the gun after 200 rounds. No wear on the barrel which is a high polish to boot.
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h403/asrspyder/DSCN4883s_zps76dab971.jpg

[Cylinder Head]

I guess I now know why Salient has such a hardon for that coating.

[spyder]

Most companies (haven't heard of a firearms company that does it themselves), send their stuff to get coated in that. The machines that can do it, and do it well cost a hell of a lot of cash...

[cofi]

Send it to wmd guns in fl they are "the" NiB guys

[TheBelly]

How much shooting is this gun going to see? If not much, then leave it the way it is and make sure it's wet. Suppressors dry out a gun pretty fast.

[cofi]

Do as Jim said. Also, I've gone my own way with coatings... TiN PVD is my new favorite way to coat. It looks a hell of a lot better, more durable, and cleans easier then the other coatings claim to clean... That doesn't actually help you in any way, but.... Ok, sorry for not helping.........

Where are you getting that done at????

[Rabid]

Where are you getting that done at????
This, and how much?
It sure is perdy.

[spyder]

Where are you getting that done at????


This, and how much?
It sure is perdy.
I know one of the guys that does Desert Eagle's guns. He actually did the barrel on the Hk for free since it was the gun that I was going to take to the shows. It can be pricey for a single piece, it's better for a group of people to get their stuff that they want sent in, and have it done that way. I was thinking about that last night after sending out a PM to someone else about it. Now, the kicker is, the surface that you are having done, has to be exactly, exactly the way you want it to look from there on out. Meaning, a sub par polish, will still look like a sub par polish. The coatings are .00005 thick, that's it. They don't hide anything, nothing. Even the polishing swirls that are on a glass polish finish sometimes, stay on the surface. The coating literally mimics the surface of the metal perfectly. It's really awesome stuff though.

[cofi]

Well I'm interested

How much does it cost and how much stuff do we need to do to get the price break??

[Great-Kazoo]

Well I'm interested

How much does it cost and how much stuff do we need to do to get the price break??

There are no new GB's allowed. However IF spyder could wangle a deal with the vendor allowing all the items to be coated delivered, from the individual then great.
Based on GB's ( in general) why deal with a potential hiccup where items get "lost" in transit and have a finger pointing a cluster fuk result.
I'm far from a yellow color fan, but admit it that combo looks like it means business.

[Great-Kazoo]

How much shooting is this gun going to see? If not much, then leave it the way it is and make sure it's wet. Suppressors dry out a gun pretty fast.

Too "wet" and all you end up with is sludge from the blow back residual.

[cofi]

There are no new GB's allowed. However IF spyder could wangle a deal with the vendor allowing all the items to be coated delivered, from the individual then great.
Based on GB's ( in general) why deal with a potential hiccup where items get "lost" in transit and have a finger pointing a cluster fuk result.
I'm far from a yellow color fan, but admit it that combo looks like it means business.

I agree Jim fuck group buys.....I still wanna get my glock barrel done and possibly an ar barrel and bcg so spyder pm me where I can have that done and how much I should expect to spend :)

[cofi]

New glock store catalogs got the Ti coating on the cover.....quoting 170$ for the slide wonder how much just the barrel is.....I'm wondering how it works with pricing can I throw other stuff in the same basket or is it applied part by part????

[spyder]

Ok, well, here is what the deal is... The company will do things in batches. Now by batches, I have no clue as to what is considered one "batch". However, I know that before I sent my barrel in, I had three barrels, two slides, three mag bodies, an AR carrier & piston, and a trigger group that I had stoned. All of that fit into the three hundred dollar "batch". If you send one item in, it's $300, if you send all of what I sent in, it's $300... Now, I wouldn't consider this a "group buy" as no one will be waiting on shit to come in or not. It's just getting people that are interested to see what stuff they want to send in, and finding out if that fits into a "batch" or not. If it does, everyone sends in their stuff to whoever sends it off, and then it's just gone to get coated if they can fit it in. The wait time is two weeks normally. This is a guaranteed service, no guessing as to when your stuff is going to come in. I personally am waiting on one more gun to come in before I send anything off, as I want parts for it done also.

Now, additionally, there are other coatings.... TiN is just one of the ones they offer. Each different color choice will be a new "batch".

This is what it is: Physical Vapor Deposition (PVD), also termed "atomic deposition" is a process through which material vaporized from a source (target) is transported in the form of a vapor through a vacuum to the substrate where it condenses. "Layers" are deposited atom by atom or molecule by molecule at sub-atmospheric pressure (vacuum) onto a solid surface. Depending on the application requirements, there may be multiple layers of different materials.

[Monky]

So if I brought you a bcg you'd make it all perdy and let me know what I owe you right?


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[KS63]

Do they do DLC?

[Mazin]

So if I brought you a bcg you'd make it all perdy and let me know what I owe you right?


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[cofi]

Ok, well, here is what the deal is... The company will do things in batches. Now by batches, I have no clue as to what is considered one "batch". However, I know that before I sent my barrel in, I had three barrels, two slides, three mag bodies, an AR carrier & piston, and a trigger group that I had stoned. All of that fit into the three hundred dollar "batch". If you send one item in, it's $300, if you send all of what I sent in, it's $300... Now, I wouldn't consider this a "group buy" as no one will be waiting on shit to come in or not. It's just getting people that are interested to see what stuff they want to send in, and finding out if that fits into a "batch" or not. If it does, everyone sends in their stuff to whoever sends it off, and then it's just gone to get coated if they can fit it in. The wait time is two weeks normally. This is a guaranteed service, no guessing as to when your stuff is going to come in. I personally am waiting on one more gun to come in before I send anything off, as I want parts for it done also.

Now, additionally, there are other coatings.... TiN is just one of the ones they offer. Each different color choice will be a new "batch".

This is what it is: Physical Vapor Deposition (PVD), also termed "atomic deposition" is a process through which material vaporized from a source (target) is transported in the form of a vapor through a vacuum to the substrate where it condenses. "Layers" are deposited atom by atom or molecule by molecule at sub-atmospheric pressure (vacuum) onto a solid surface. Depending on the application requirements, there may be multiple layers of different materials.

Could you find out what size box all the stuff from one batch needs to fit In?

Also do we have to strip off whatever coating is currently on the part or is that included?

And for barrels or uppers is this coating the inside of the part or just the outside???

[jerrymrc]

As long as I have a little lead time I can get some stuff ready. having a little understanding I would assume that the part needs to be ready to go with no other coating on it. Just need to find out about the size of the batch.

[Great-Kazoo]

Lets see what a final price might be. vendors have been known to "jack" prices up on a whim or higher demand.
You deal with vendor X @ $200 per, 3 months later as you have been sending a continual stream of product to them. They decide to have a price increase. You reduce volume of product, 2-3 months later, they contact you with their "specials" for repeat customers.

Remember spyder is the middle man. I'd prefer the ability to send to coating place from here. This way if a "glitch" in shipping to or from happens, spyder isn't in the middle of it.

[spyder]

Ok, so the guy I talk with, said the price has gone up to $400 - $600 per batch. However, he gave me a kind of specific size of the inside of his machine... He said that 20 pistol barrels could fit in it, or 60 AR triggers. I sent him another email asking what happened to the three hundred dollar price he quoted me a few months ago. I still haven't heard from him (this was only a couple days ago though). So, right now I have no idea of what is happening. However, there are other companies that use similar coatings, and they are "decorative" for the most part. You can get decorative PVD in almost any color you can imagine, it still holds up better than any paint (including Cerakote), but it won't hold up like the "working" coatings such as the TiN that is on mill bits (or my barrel). So, you can get this done in sand, fde, rose.... rainbow....... but most colors are "decorative". For the working colors, you get the basics of black, through light grays, and gold. I asked for more information in my last email, and hope to hear back soon. I also asked about a black DLC, to see if they can actually do that coating....

[jerrymrc]

Assuming that one could get 20 items in a batch then $20 per item would be fine @ $400. I would have 6 items to do. 1 pistol barrel, 2 AR carriers, 2 Fal stripped bolts and 1 Fal carrier. All would be prepped and ready to go.I do not need a decorative coating as the properties of TIN are fine.

[spyder]

So if I brought you a bcg you'd make it all perdy and let me know what I owe you right?


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Holy crap, how did I miss this post? What do you mean, perdy?......

[jerrymrc]

Holy crap, how did I miss this post? What do you mean, perdy?......

He likes "Bling" [LOL] I am not looking for bling I just need new teeth.[Bang]

[spyder]

As an update, still haven't heard back...

[Kraven251]

with these new laws on the books, pretty much puts the skids to finishing out an 80% lower build in that coating, would be gawdy, but fun especially with a pistol build.

[Great-Kazoo]

with these new laws on the books, pretty much puts the skids to finishing out an 80% lower build in that coating, would be gawdy, but fun especially with a pistol build.

WHY is that? ANY firearm is legal to ship to and from a vendor, smith or repair shop. You are not selling a finished 80% you are sending out for refinishing. Even with a hand gun you can send to Lic repair shop out of state then receive at your residence w/out any UBC / FFL transfer fees.

[cofi]

As an update, still haven't heard back...
Any word??

[spyder]

Any word??

This is the recent email:


Adam,

Prices are correct. $300 is for TiN run with another job no commitment to turn-around time; I .e we piggy-back your run with something else.

I don’t have a blue film they are grey-to-black (TiCN) and dark purple-to-black(AlTiN). These are anti-wear coatings but the wear resistance is determined by the structure created by the substrate and the coating combined. So a hard film on a soft substrate (Aluminum) is not a good idea, but can be improved by Ni/Cr plating before coating. Hard Coating directly on SS or tool steel or carbide is the best case.
The prices are steep now I guess.... Still, having the decorative coating on a gun I believe will still last longer than even Cerakote. For the price, you can send off a lot of things to get coated which would lower the price per piece. I know this is the only coating I am going to do on my firearms from now on also if it is at all possible (have to send a bunch in at once to make it price friendly). I asked him if the "decorative" coatings are harder than Cerakote (since his company does both) and am waiting to hear back. These are all of the achievable colors with both decorative and work coatings: