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Pistol Packing Preacher
01-14-2009, 09:11
WEAPONS OF CHOICE
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Big Brother's new target:
Tracking of all firearms
'Nothing less than a declaration
of war on American gun owners'
Posted: January 13, 2009
10:08 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn

WorldNetDaily
http://www.wnd.com/images/BobbyRush.jpg
Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill.
U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., is hoping to pass a firearm-licensing bill that will significantly rewrite gun-ownership laws in America.
Among the more controversial provisions of the bill are requirements that all handgun owners submit to the federal government a photo, thumb print and mental heath records. Further, the bill would order the attorney general to establish a database of every handgun sale, transfer and owner's address in America.
The bill claims its purpose is "to protect the public against the unreasonable risk of injury and death associated with the unrecorded sale or transfer of firearms to criminals and youth."
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Columnist David Codrea of Guns Magazine, however, calls it a "ridiculous affront to liberty."
"This is nothing less than a declaration of war on American gun owners," Codrea writes on Gun Rights Examiner (http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner%7Ey2009m1d13-Qualifying-fireams).
(Story continues below)
Rush's proposed bill, H.R. 45, is alternatively known as "Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009," named after an Illinois teenager killed by a gunshot.
According the bill's text, "On the afternoon of May 10, 2007, Blair Holt, a junior at Julian High School in Chicago, was killed on a public bus riding home from school when he used his body to shield a girl who was in the line of fire after a young man boarded the bus and started shooting."
The bill then argues that interstate firearm trafficking and children dying from gun violence create legitimate cause for the federal government to monitor gun ownership and transfers in new ways.
If passed, the bill would make it illegal to own or possess a "qualifying firearm" – defined as any handgun or any semiautomatic firearm that takes an ammunition clip – without a "Blair Holt" license.
To obtain a "Blair Holt" license, an application must be made that includes a photo, address, all previous aliases, thumb print, completion of a written firearm safety test, release of mental health records to the attorney general and a fee not to exceed $25.
Further, the bill makes it illegal to transfer ownership of a qualifying firearm to anyone who is not a licensed gun dealer or collector. Exceptions to this rule include transfer to family members by gift or bequest and loans, not to exceed 30 days, of a firearm for lawful purposes "between persons who are personally known to each other."
The bill also requires qualifying firearm owners to report all transfers to the attorney general's database. It would also be illegal for a licensed gun owner to fail to record a gun loss or theft within 72 hours or fail to report a change of address within 60 days.
And if a minor obtains a weapon and injures someone with it, the owner of the gun – if deemed to have failed to meet certain safety requirements – faces a multiple-year jail sentence.
H.R. 45 is a resurfacing of 2007's H.R. 2666, which contained much of the same language and was co-sponsored by 15 other representatives and Barack Obama's current chief of staff, Rahm Emmanuel. H.R. 2666 was assigned to the House Judiciary committee, where no action was taken.
H.R. 45 currently has no co-sponsors and is likewise assigned to the House Judiciary committee.

Red_Chili
01-14-2009, 09:24
Yet another reason to join the NRA.

Mtn.man
01-14-2009, 09:58
mine will leave NO TRAX...

DOC
01-14-2009, 10:45
[Rant1][Rant2]

Sixgun
01-14-2009, 10:50
[Bang]I'll tell them were all my guns are, at the bottom of Jefferson Lake.
Oh, why did I take that canoe trip. ( need smiley for crying)[Rant2]

DOC
01-14-2009, 10:54
[Bang]I'll tell them were all my guns are, at the bottom of Jefferson Lake.
Oh, why did I take that canoe trip. ( need smiley for crying)[Rant2]
I tell you where all my guns are. I melted them all down to make an Ironman suit. Now what?

7idl
01-14-2009, 11:12
too bad, I sold everything in a private sale to PPP.. guns are evil dontchaknow!

Pistol Packing Preacher
01-14-2009, 11:17
too bad, I sold everything in a private sale to PPP.. guns are evil dontchaknow!
Yeah! ...and with all my money and a buck you can get a cup of coffee at Mikey D's... if you are a senior...

I need a 1911 A1 ... .45

[Beer]

Marlin
01-14-2009, 11:42
You guys realize that He is a former Black Panther...

ETA...

Gee, Not listed in His congressional biography,, imagine that..

7idl
01-14-2009, 11:44
You guys realize that He is a former Black Panther...


who? ppp? [ROFL1]

Mtn.man
01-14-2009, 11:46
Ya means he ain't no African Panther?

Marlin
01-14-2009, 11:49
who? ppp? [ROFL1]


Should We check PPP out just to make sure...[Tooth]

Marlin
01-14-2009, 11:51
Ya means he ain't no African Panther?


They wasn't as "PC" back then....[Shock]

Pistol Packing Preacher
01-14-2009, 12:03
who? ppp? [ROFL1]

You, Sir... are bad...

[Rant1]

Zundfolge
01-14-2009, 12:39
Couple of thoughts.

1st off this is a story from World Net Daily, so it really should be taken with a pound or two of salt. Hyperbole, fear mongering and journalistic standards that are as low as the MSM are the hallmark of WND stories.

EVERY session some leftard puts up something similar, they have every session since the mid 60s. If you read every wacko bill that had ever been drafted you'd need to go on some pretty serious high bloodpressure medicine.

This bill has NO COSPONSORS, nothing makes it very far without cosponsors.

This bill is only in committee (and with no cosponsors that gives it a 99.9% chance of dying in committee ... hell HR1022 had a dozen cosponsors and it died in committee).


Yes, we should be vigilant, and yes this congress is probably the most leftist of any congress since Clinton's days, but lets not get all worked up, there is zero chance of this thing becoming law as its written.

7idl
01-14-2009, 15:13
The guy (sponsor) should be swinging from the gallows pole just for suggesting the idea!
(re: for those clueless out there, his suggestion is a violation of the 2nd)
And while we're at it, the whole lot of 'em for the same reasons.

Sixgun
01-14-2009, 17:58
I tell you where all my guns are. I melted them all down to make an Ironman suit. Now what?
I want an ironman suit.[Rant2]I guess I need to[scuba].

Mtn.man
01-14-2009, 18:45
I want an ironman suit.[Rant2]I guess I need to[scuba].


ya need titanium, kevlar, carbon fiber, cobalt, and some fab skills... let me know.[Beer]

DOC
01-14-2009, 19:10
I want an ironman suit.[Rant2]I guess I need to[scuba].
Didn't need to pass a background check for a flying bulletproof super killing suit. But if I made one you bet the libs would be all over it trying to ban a person from having an advantage over them in case a rebellion broke out.

theGinsue
01-14-2009, 21:57
The bill also requires qualifying firearm owners to report all transfers to the attorney general's database. It would also be illegal for a licensed gun owner to fail to record a gun loss or theft within 72 hours or fail to report a change of address within 60 days.
And if a minor obtains a weapon and injures someone with it, the owner of the gun – if deemed to have failed to meet certain safety requirements – faces a multiple-year jail sentence.


While they point out the "jail time" they don't point out that now you would have a felony conviction - even for failing to report a change of address within 60 days - and would no longer be eligible to own/possess a firearm. Now, I don't know about the rest of you, but when I move I'm still reeling from all of the things I need to do past 60 days and could conceivably see myself honestly forgetting to make the notification (which I believe they are counting on!).



I need a 1911 A1 ... .45


Up until this Monday I was saying the same thing, but not any more!


You guys realize that He is a former Black Panther...

ETA...

Gee, Not listed in His congressional biography,, imagine that..

Yeah, he's not just a "former" member, he's the [B]founder of the Illinois chapter of the Black Panther's!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Rush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Rush)

theGinsue
01-14-2009, 22:13
1st off this is a story from World Net Daily, so it really should be taken with a pound or two of salt. Hyperbole, fear mongering and journalistic standards that are as low as the MSM are the hallmark of WND stories.
It’s definitely legit: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45: (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:)


This bill has NO COSPONSORS, nothing makes it very far without cosponsors.This bill is only in committee (and with no cosponsors that gives it a 99.9% chance of dying in committee ... hell HR1022 had a dozen cosponsors and it died in committee).
It only takes 1 person to get the ball rolling. With a STRONG anti-gun Lib controlled Congress and another in the White House, getting this passed is not as far fetched as it would have sounded even 1 year ago.



Yes, we should be vigilant, and yes this congress is probably the most leftist of any congress since Clinton's days, but lets not get all worked up, there is zero chance of this thing becoming law as its written.
As I recall my history, they said something very similar about the gun ban in Nazi Germany (Oh Honey, that Adolf is such a nice man who has our best interests at heart). If we fail to "get all worked up" and voice our descent, this has a better chance of getting passed.

Marlin
01-14-2009, 22:25
[Shake]

U.S. Congress,,, Exclusive club of the criminal elite..

HunterCO
01-15-2009, 00:49
Must be Obama bin bidens dinner buddy!

"Change" is so wonderful..........[Bang]

Paradude54
01-15-2009, 08:47
Did you ever notice that there's a hugely disproportonate number of clowns from Illinois that bring these things up?

Red_Chili
01-15-2009, 10:41
If we fail to "get all worked up" and voice our descent, this has a better chance of getting passed.

We have dissent.

Congress has demonstrated a descent.

[ROFL2]
OhIjustcrackmeupsometimes.

Sadly, however, I think both are true. I agree, silence is not an option no matter how 'out there' a bill is. If every time they step over the line they get ten thousand face slaps (there are other words to describe said slap) they will think better of it next time.

Elhuero
01-15-2009, 10:54
News stories like this, even the pound of salt ones, don't really bother me.

They can pass all the laws they want. I have my firearms in my hands and nothing will change that.

Red_Chili
01-15-2009, 10:57
And to that end...

I just spoke to a very nice guy in Congressman Rush' office. I explained that
1) I completely understand the need to get guns out of the hands of criminals. It is a real problem demanding effective solutions.
2) This bill is not an effective way to do that. It will not affect a criminal's ability to obtain a firearm in any way - they already get their firearms illegally. Making it more illegal will have no effect. They will still get their TEC-9s from Mexico or elsewhere.
3) The real solution is to increase the penalties astronomically for committing a crime with a firearm, and to work hard to rehabilitate the criminals where possible (I know, unlikely, but I threw a bone, because in a few cases this does work, especially in the case of religious work believe it or not).

He asked me, making it clear it was his own question, if I was a member of the NRA. I said yes, but that I was speaking not on behalf of the NRA but on my own behalf. He asked if the NRA had supported any legislation that would curb gun violence (he asked this in a very non-confrontational way, he was not picking a fight, and it was an honest question).

I said I was glad he asked. Yes, the NRA has proposed and supported increasing criminal penalties for felonies committed with a firearm, and yes, the NRA has supported stiff penalties for being a 'straw buyer', purchasing a firearm for someone who could not obtain one legally.

He did not know this. He thanked me for my comments, and I have every reason to believe he was taking notes.

Dissent registered.
202-225-4372
Be nice, be polite, treat the man like a citizen, listen and acknowledge the problem is real but that this is not the solution, it will only impact LAW ABIDING CITIZENS and not criminals.
[Beer]

DOC
01-15-2009, 14:59
News stories like this, even the pound of salt ones, don't really bother me.

They can pass all the laws they want. I have my firearms in my hands and nothing will change that.
Think of the children. Do you really want a world where the children have to pay $120 for a used glock magazine?

theGinsue
01-15-2009, 22:57
And that is precisely why I'm getting my kids their semi-auto handguns with lots of extra mags now (4 years still before my son can legally own one, but one day it'll be his).

Mtn.man
01-15-2009, 23:48
God Bless our guns,,, everyone of them,,,,Tiny 50 cal Tim

DOC
01-16-2009, 02:47
[Beer]