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battle_sight_zero
07-02-2013, 19:22
Anyone see this video? Sorry repost police if its already on here http://www.infowars.com/video-police-shoot-dog-defending-owner-as-cops-arrested-him-for-filming-them/ .
Ok, I don't get into any of the police bashing threads but that was complete bullshit to me.
JM Ver. 2.0
07-02-2013, 19:31
Hold on. Hold on.... My popcorn isn't done yet.
Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
battle_sight_zero
07-02-2013, 19:36
...I am kind of shocked by what I saw in this video. Crazy things going on these days.
omegalopez
07-02-2013, 19:39
This is going to be interesting
Lucky it wasn't his son or daughter running to him from the car. Not saying it would have ended up any different.
coldaudio
07-02-2013, 19:48
This isn't the full video... I'll have to look around for it, but he was disobeying the officers earlier, getting in the way, etc. That's why they went after him to begin with.
Not justifying anything, just pointing out that there's more information to this than the video.
clublights
07-02-2013, 19:54
Whatever reason they decided to put him in cuffs is whatever reason they did .... frankly doesn't matter when it comes to the dog being shot.
the dog lunged at/seems to bite an officer ... it got shot.. sad but true.
Owner seemed to know he was going to be cuffed when he put the dog in the car.. should have secured the dog better.
I'm gunna get flamed for it but...
OWNERS FAULT.
This isn't the full video... I'll have to look around for it, but he was disobeying the officers earlier, getting in the way, etc. That's why they went after him to begin with.
Not justifying anything, just pointing out that there's more information to this than the video.
Very possible, I haven't seen the full video either but if someone is being a pain in the ass it doesn't take that much intelegence to deal with them and their dog before things get out of hand. He didn't seem to be combative at all and from the looks of it he didn't mind being arrested. I'm sure he would have been happy to roll up his windows before putting the dog in the car and then animal control could have swing by at their leisure. Hell, I actually support many of the instances where police have had to shoot someones dog but this doesn't look like one of them.
Whatever reason they decided to put him in cuffs is whatever reason they did .... frankly doesn't matter when it comes to the dog being shot.
the dog lunged at an officer ... it got shot.. sad but true.
Owner seemed to know he was going to be cuffed when he put the dog in the car.. should have secured the dog better.
I'm gunna get flamed for it but...
OWNERS FAULT.
Yup, no way the officer waiving his hands in front of the dogs face made it look like something more.... Hell he may have even had a ball point pen.
Whatever reason they decided to put him in cuffs is whatever reason they did .... frankly doesn't matter when it comes to the dog being shot.
the dog lunged at/seems to bite an officer ... it got shot.. sad but true.
Owner seemed to know he was going to be cuffed when he put the dog in the car.. should have secured the dog better.
I'm gunna get flamed for it but...
OWNERS FAULT.
Yep, I agree on this one. Should have put a little more glass between the dog and the rest of the world, that's what I do with my dog- leave the window down enough so he doesn't cook, but up enough so he can't get out. Someone posted on FB about this today totally one sided saying that cop should be shot/fired... how? 130lb rott comes at a cop what's he supposed to do? And I love dogs. I'd have a hard time shooting one, though.
clublights
07-02-2013, 20:24
Yup, no way the officer waiving his hands in front of the dogs face made it look like something more.... Hell he may have even had a ball point pen.
looked to me like the officer was trying to grab the dogs collar at that point...
Never mind, I found the answer. "Lt. Swain added. “And I know it’s the dog’s master, and more than likely not going to attack him, (but) we’ve got a guy handcuffed that’s kind of defenseless. We have a duty to defend him, too.”" Just protecting the suspect, nothing to see here, please move along.
I'd have a hard time shooting one, though.
Yep, they can be pretty quick.
And people thought it was stupid when officers had to get training on how to handle dogs in Colorado. The dog was not aggressive at first and i was not there so i can not comment on the rest but it did not have to end like that. It was the owners fault in the first place though.
I Dont know all the details but it seems like the guy shouldn't have been there, the dog should have been secured, and I believe the owner to to blame. Unless more details arise
Katastrophic
07-02-2013, 22:40
If what I see here is true then the owner was being plain stupid and he was trying to get a rise out of the cops. He Should Have secured his dog better. Next time I'm sure he will. As student of animal behavior, I don't see this dog jumping from the car in an aggressive manner. It wanted to be with the owner. It got freaked out once it was sprayed with pepper spray (that's what I saw anyway) that's when it became a bit unstable. But it still wasn't aggressive. The cop tried touching it when it was unstable and that wasn't a good idea. I think it does look like the dog lunged at the cop when the cop reached for it, but the dog probably couldn't see or smell very well. I've been bitten, it's not a life threatening event, especially with all of those people around to help you. The cop was in no way in the right taking the life of that dog, his life was NOT in danger and deadly force wasn't warranted. The officer acted in a very shameful manner and I hope that my life is never in the hands of someone so immature.
airborneranger
07-02-2013, 22:59
That's just a bad situation all around.
I am not sure why I watched that. I can repeatedly watch with no ill effect some scumbag get mowed down as he is shooting at police, but seeing that disturbed the hell out of me. Very sad no matter whose fault.
There is a big difference between having to shoot and having an excuse to shoot.
Maybe the dog looked like an injured elk that needed to be put down.
jk
A crappy situation all around. I'm not sure why the police feel the need to arrest anyone recording them. They're public servants working amongst the public. Why the need to arrest or detain someone with a camera?
brokenscout
07-03-2013, 07:42
Cali Cops are in a lot of these videos. Luv CO cops(for now)
bellavite1
07-03-2013, 07:55
Screw that guy, his civil rights bullshit and his dog.
Should have stayed out of the way, he was trying to raise a stink, and succeeded, but got more than he bargained for.
I've been told myself, play stupid games...
kidicarus13
07-03-2013, 08:01
I've learned it's best to not choose a side in dog related threads [dig]
TheWeeze
07-03-2013, 08:15
I saw that yesterday and thought about posting it, but seeing the dog get shot was almost too much for me. Something about shooting a dog erks me the wrong way. I'm not saying the cop was right or wrong, but seeing it was tough for me.
speedysst
07-03-2013, 09:21
Seriously?? This comment is more offensive than the suffering of that dog.
Lucky it wasn't his son or daughter running to him from the car. Not saying it would have ended up any different.
mackbamf
07-03-2013, 10:26
There is a lot of fail to go around in that video. Cops could have handled it different but at the same time if I had that big ass dog coming at me I can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing. Ultimately though that guy was looking for trouble and got himself into that situation. In the end he is culpable for the end result in my opinion...
Everyone acting like the cops are trigger happy and just looking for an excuse to shoot the dog can STFU. The dog ran up to them and none of them paniced and start capping rounds at it. They moved closer together and then one of them tried to secure the dog. Shots weren't fired until the dog made some type of aggressive move at the Officer trying to secure it. More than reasonable. The guy getting arrested knew that his dog would start barking and try to get aggressive and he should have secured the vehicle better. The dumbasses recording this were even saying, "Let the dog out" as if they wanted to see the dog attack the cops. Also, in before the lock.
nikolatesla19
07-03-2013, 11:25
Opinions are like elbows. I think all the blame goes on the owner for being a dummy and asking for trouble. His reason for butting into LEO way was because there were no black cops? I feel bad for the poor mans best friend doing his job.
hurley842002
07-03-2013, 11:42
When LEO are trying to do there job, can they just be left alone? Folks that think everything needs to be "their business" really irritate the hell out of me, and deserve any legal ramifications that come their way.
Reminds me of about a month ago. I was exiting a king soopers, and from what I could put together, some punk had stolen from the store. When officers arrived, they searched his bag, and found a large fixed blade knife. While all this was going down, some nosey bit$% had her camera out and was nearly "in the mix", saying things like "don't worry man, I've got these pigs on camera".
Those officers showed more restraint than I would have, but I believe they were more concerned with the guy and his knife than nosey loud mouths with a camera.
Just seems like there is such a widespread hatred for law enforcement, and anybody will try and get them hemmed up, just for doing their jobs 98% of the time.
RblDiver
07-03-2013, 12:17
Dog attacked, they tried to subdue and then shot it. Looked justified to me.
As long as someone is on the periphery of where the police are working and are not interfering, why does it matter if they have a camera. Let them act like a Jr. reporter and shoot their video. BFD.
Madeinhb
07-03-2013, 12:50
Very possible, I haven't seen the full video either but if someone is being a pain in the ass it doesn't take that much intelegence to deal with them and their dog before things get out of hand. He didn't seem to be combative at all and from the looks of it he didn't mind being arrested. I'm sure he would have been happy to roll up his windows before putting the dog in the car and then animal control could have swing by at their leisure. Hell, I actually support many of the instances where police have had to shoot someones dog but this doesn't look like one of them.
So the dog attacking cops is ok? They shot the dog as he lunged to attack. No time to think, well what should I do. If a dog lunges in an attack mode, I'm shooting.
Madeinhb
07-03-2013, 12:53
as long as LEOs work FOR THE TAXPAYING CITIZENS OF AMERICA, they need to get fucking used to it. We pay your fucking salary. You work for us. Not the fucking department. You dont like being videoed? too fucking bad, we dont like license plate scanners. we dont like you minding our business we dont like you videoing us. . If you dont like the job and EVERYTHING it entails, quit. period.
your statement (if you are a cop, it sounds like you are saying you are) is exactly why people hate LEOs. And as someone who likes 99% of the LEO community, I think your attitude is bullshit.
and no I didnt watch the video. or care. its a fucking dog. not a person. i commented only on the comment I quoted.
why do cops need to be Video taped by the public? its checks and balances. if you fuck up, it needs to be brought to light. if someone says you fucked up and you are innocent, then the video should exonerate you. we need checks and balances.
I agree. But the video taping has nothing really to do with the shooting. The dog owner put his dog in the situation. Whether right or wrong. He didnt have to video or do anything if the incident had nothing to do with him.
Maybe I missed it but why did they confront him and put him in cuffs? I had to have my sound down so maybe you can hear that in the video.
RblDiver
07-03-2013, 13:07
Maybe I missed it but why did they confront him and put him in cuffs? I had to have my sound down so maybe you can hear that in the video.
From what I've been reading in other comments on the video, he was for one blaring music very loudly during a police raid on some other house. They asked him to turn it down as it was distracting, but he didn't. I think he may have also been interfering in other ways, but not sure on it.
DingleBerns
07-03-2013, 13:17
1st, easy there killer.
as long as LEOs work FOR THE TAXPAYING CITIZENS OF AMERICA, they need to get fucking used to it. We pay your fucking salary. You work for us. Not the fucking department.
can I have a raise then boss.
You dont like being videoed? too fucking bad, we dont like license plate scanners. we dont like you minding our business we dont like you videoing us. . If you dont like the job and EVERYTHING it entails, quit. period.
I don't mind being video tapped as long as you don't interfere with what I'm trying to do. Except for consensual contacts, I don't just go to random people's houses while your minding your own business.
why do cops need to be Video taped by the public? its checks and balances. if you fuck up, it needs to be brought to light. if someone says you fucked up and you are innocent, then the video should exonerate you. we need checks and balances.
Sure, I agree, as long as it doesn't interfere with my duties.
hurley842002
07-03-2013, 13:28
as long as LEOs work FOR THE TAXPAYING CITIZENS OF AMERICA, they need to get fucking used to it. We pay your fucking salary. You work for us. Not the fucking department. You dont like being videoed? too fucking bad, we dont like license plate scanners. we dont like you minding our business we dont like you videoing us. . If you dont like the job and EVERYTHING it entails, quit. period.
your statement (if you are a cop, it sounds like you are saying you are) is exactly why people hate LEOs. And as someone who likes 99% of the LEO community, I think your attitude is bullshit.
and no I didnt watch the video. or care. its a fucking dog. not a person. i commented only on the comment I quoted.
why do cops need to be Video taped by the public? its checks and balances. if you fuck up, it needs to be brought to light. if someone says you fucked up and you are innocent, then the video should exonerate you. we need checks and balances.
First of all you should probably calm down before you give yourself a heart attack (not telling, just suggesting, wouldn't want you to get the wrong idea).
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough with my statement in regards to being videotaped, but I also don't recall EVER stating, you or any other tax paying citizen doesn't have a right to videotape, YOU concocted that assumption.
What I merely said, was it's annoying to me (personal opinion, am I not entitled to that, O lover of rights?), and many folks seem to be trying to hem officers up.
hurley842002
07-03-2013, 14:02
And to be more clear, being videotaped is not annoying, it is the intent of the videotaping, "I don't like pigs, so I'm going to get them on video, in hopes that they screw up".
And to be more clear, being videotaped is not annoying, it is the intent of the videotaping, "I don't like pigs, so I'm going to get them on video, in hopes that they screw up".
Just like "98% of cops do their job professionally", 98% of the d-bags are pulling out cameras to spite LE. They are not trying to keep "checks and balances" or hold Police accountable.
In fact they are often times instigating the Officers off camera and then as the cop starts to lose his cool out comes the camera. I don't even know why people post videos like this thread. People already have their views and they aren't going to change. It's a royal waste of time between those who support LE and have been in a similar situation against those who armchair quatertback the situation and act like they would have made the perfect decision, even though they don't know shit about it.
I'll just leave this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgddAhelNmA
Madeinhb
07-03-2013, 15:17
I'll just leave this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgddAhelNmA
A little different situation. He had more time to dodge, etc.
TheWeeze
07-03-2013, 15:53
A little different situation. He had more time to dodge, etc.
I think the only difference is that this officer decided to pull his taser instead of his firearm. Maybe the officer in the OP's video didn't have a taser, but I couldn't tell.
RblDiver
07-03-2013, 16:01
I think the only difference is that this officer decided to pull his taser instead of his firearm. Maybe the officer in the OP's video didn't have a taser, but I couldn't tell.
Well, the one being attacked pulled his firearm, but his partner/backup/other officer pulled and deployed the taser.
hghclsswhitetrsh
07-03-2013, 16:58
I will not criticize because the were mistakes made on both parties IMO. The only thing i can ask is this a justifiable discharge of a weapon? I'm being facetious, I really want to know policies.
TriggerHappy
07-03-2013, 17:17
If what I see here is true then the owner was being plain stupid and he was trying to get a rise out of the cops. He Should Have secured his dog better. Next time I'm sure he will. As student of animal behavior, I don't see this dog jumping from the car in an aggressive manner. It wanted to be with the owner. It got freaked out once it was sprayed with pepper spray (that's what I saw anyway) that's when it became a bit unstable. But it still wasn't aggressive. The cop tried touching it when it was unstable and that wasn't a good idea. I think it does look like the dog lunged at the cop when the cop reached for it, but the dog probably couldn't see or smell very well. I've been bitten, it's not a life threatening event, especially with all of those people around to help you. The cop was in no way in the right taking the life of that dog, his life was NOT in danger and deadly force wasn't warranted. The officer acted in a very shameful manner and I hope that my life is never in the hands of someone so immature.
Im baffled by people that use the term "use of deadly force" with an animal. Is it just me or has there been a lot of cop bashing lately??.. I think this was handled by the officer just fine. In that situation, you don't know the dog, how it acts, what it was trained for (maybe he should have stopped the dog and asked it nicely, in English, what it's intentions were...oh wait, last I checked dogs don't talk.....). It was pissed off enough to climb through a half rolled up window. The owner appears to be complete dirtbag, or at least acts that way. I'm not saying the dog, wasn't maybe a good dog. But it was a threat and handled accordingly.
In before the lock.
Looks like the 3 officers in the video have been pulled off their street duties for their safety. http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_23594182/hawthorne-police-pull-officers-involved-dog-shooting-from
I will not criticize because the were mistakes made on both parties IMO. The only thing i can ask is this a justifiable discharge of a weapon? I'm being facetious, I really want to know policies.
Would vary with each department and their policies....for instance some departments strictly forbid shooting at moving vehicles (pretty much stating that there is no justifiable reason to shoot into/at a moving vehicle. While other departments don't mention that in their policy. I would imagine that he feared imminent serious bodily to himself or one of the other officers so in order to prevent that he used his weapon.
10mm-man
07-03-2013, 20:38
I see a lock coming; i haven't made it in on others because i was slow. In before the lock!
Not sure how I would respond, officer did what he felt was best at the time. Only thing that pisses me off is why didn't the office put the dog down so it didn't have to suffer- one more round was needed IMO.
Aggressive dog coming at me, instinct might kick in and would have to draw. Not enough in the video to fully arm chair the proper reaction...........
I've drawn on a dog before, kind of. Personally, I'd kick at the dog and probably get nipped/bitten before I'd fire on it. Right or wrong, that's likely what would happen with me. Not that anyone asked.
cops are not the only ones being videotaped at work. mcdonalds, burger king, taco bell, walmart, target the list is endless. and the same goes for them.
Act within the law, do your job correctly and professionally and it wont matter if you are being taped.
I was talking to the manager of a Qudoba once, and he was bitching about how he was working there alone one day, and someone from corporate called and told him that he needs to smile more. What a pain in the ass.
10mm-man
07-03-2013, 23:13
I've drawn on a dog before, kind of. Personally, I'd kick at the dog and probably get nipped/bitten before I'd fire on it. Right or wrong, that's likely what would happen with me. Not that anyone asked.
I'll pretend I asked and respond; if I was by myself ( or a cop in this position) yes agreed..... I would choke him out with the Mata leão! How ever I am seldom alone, and the person I am usually with is to small for ( me to take the chance of) a dog on the attack getting at him.
as long as LEOs work FOR THE TAXPAYING CITIZENS OF AMERICA, they need to get fucking used to it. We pay your fucking salary. You work for us. Not the fucking department. You dont like being videoed? too fucking bad, we dont like license plate scanners. we dont like you minding our business we dont like you videoing us. . If you dont like the job and EVERYTHING it entails, quit. period.
why do cops need to be Video taped by the public? its checks and balances. if you fuck up, it needs to be brought to light. if someone says you fucked up and you are innocent, then the video should exonerate you. we need checks and balances.
I agree 100%. Great post.
hghclsswhitetrsh
07-04-2013, 00:11
I will not criticize because the were mistakes made on both parties IMO. The only thing i can ask is this a justifiable discharge of a weapon? I'm being facetious, I really want to know policies.
Errr I meant I'm NOT being facetious. Sorry for the confusion.
palepainter
07-04-2013, 00:35
Another incident of shitty decisions all around.
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