View Full Version : Any word on reviving the Pueblo IDPA matches for '09?
Inquiring minds want to know.
No chance, at all, in any way, shape, or form.
We asked for help and asked for help.
We warned that without more help the matches would go away.
Many just assumed it was the other guy that we were talking to.
It is a sore spot with me. Not often I am truely let down by my fellow shooters.
I hope that extra hour of sleep was worth it.
I am truly sorry to hear that Hoser.
I was holding hope that arrangements could have been made with the range for a different day (Saturday), then once the weather was more conductive to motorcycle riding, I'd have been taking the trip down from Denver.
Would you object to my putting out some feelers for some new blood in SoCo to see if there is interest in revival, or has the range facilities been eliminated for the year?
nontactical
01-16-2009, 09:11
The reason this is a sore spot for Hoser is that he has been fighting this fight for what.... 10 years? Those FRIDPA south matches have always been him and a VERY few others doing 100% of the work, with everyone else showing up just in time to load thier own mags. IMHO, if you did manage to revive the thing in the future, you should ban Hoser from setup, sit the guy in a chair and make sure he has some coffee and a donut while everyone else does all the work for a change; he has done WAY more than his part for king and country.
Sadly, club level activities always seem to devolve into a smaller and smaller group shouldering the burden. If you ask me, they should keep records of active shooters who help and those who don't. If you don't fulfill a certain work requirement, they should triple or quadruple your entry fees to buy beer for those who do thier part.
The Pueblo IDPA shooters made their decision. They were warned several times.
All IDPA related stuff is gone from Pueblo. It was moved to Clear Creek.
End of story.
The Pueblo IDPA shooters made their decision. They were warned several times.
All IDPA related stuff is gone from Pueblo. It was moved to Clear Creek.
End of story.
Does that mean that there are two shoots a month in Clear Creek now? ;)
wfwsorge
01-16-2009, 13:40
Does that mean that there are two shoots a month in Clear Creek now? ;)
Clear Creek Range will only give us One day per month for matches.
kevinpagano
02-18-2009, 14:04
I wonder if anyone out at Ben Lomond Gun Club in Ramah would have an interest. I would love to start shooting IDPA again but Sundays just will not work for me in my current situation and the treck to Dumont is too long on most weekends. I would be happy to help if anyone wants to start something up out there. I know they would have some Saturdays open. I am sorry to hear Pueblo shut down, but can understand the reasons.
Kevin
kevinpagano@yahoo.com
BLGC is always very open to hosting organizeds shoots. Perhaps we can run with this?
BLGC is always very open to hosting organizeds shoots. Perhaps we can run with this?
What "we" are you speaking of?
Does that mean you are volunteering to be the match director?
Where are you going to get the props such as walls from?
Whose steel are you going to use?
And target stands, lathe, ect, ect, ect...
Bongo Boy
03-28-2009, 08:43
Hoser makes his point. To me, the 'easy' part is the equipment--at least stuff like target stands, barricades, walls, targets, etc. The hard part (again, to me) is all the logistics around that equipment (such as where to store it, getting approval to store it, etc), and the organizational skills of actually planning, staffing and conducting matches.
One resource that would be very helpful, and I'll bet it already exists, would be something like a 'bill of materials' required to support x number of 'typical' stages. This might include how people like their target stands designed, not necessarily a literal bill of materials for each stand. If I can find such info, I can estimate the level of effort needed to contribute at least some of the equipment over time. This is nothing that would happen 'by next weekend', that's for sure.
Does that mean you are volunteering to be the match director?
You can just hear the crickets...
I don't think the average shooter understands the magnitude of hosting a regular match, IDPA, USPSA, Steel or whatever home grown thing you can think of. It takes a TON of effort and dedication. Unfortunately this responsibility usually falls squarely on a few dedicated shooters. These dedicated shooters grind through it until they get completely burned out and throw up their hands and call it quits. Then the match does not exist anymore because all people want to do is show up 5 minutes before the shooters meeting and participate in the match then go home and forget all about it until the next match. I am not sure how to change this pattern.
Maybe institute a work bond program that forces the competitors to dedicate X amount of hours of work per month helping the club do things before they can even shoot the match? That’s the only way I can think of building some ownership into the process for the shooters. But that isn't realistic because not many people would want to dedicate the time and effort to help the club out on a regular basis.
The problem is that everyone likes to shoot, but not many people are willing to work in order to shoot. Nothing is free and in situations like this money really isn't the solution either. It takes man power and there is usually a huge void when it comes to getting it.
I am grateful for the matches we currently have and I try my best to support them when I attend. Really, why do we need yet another match when there already is at least 10 a month all across the front range??? If you are hell bent on shooting an IDPA match then attend a USPSA match but shoot it IDPA style. Retain your mags, Shoot from cover, score your targets the way YOU want to. Since IDPA uses time penalties for the target score keeping track of your score by stage would be super easy when shooting a USPSA match. You can shoot the USPSA matches any way you what really. Make it work for what you want to get out of it. Is it really that hard???
Bongo Boy
04-09-2009, 23:06
...why do we need yet another match when there already is at least 10 a month all across the front range?I take all of your other points very seriously, but this one I thought was real special. I've only recently begun to appreciate just how many matches there are, if you include USPSA. For my tiny brain I can't even keep track of them. OTOH, Pueblo is really close, and it's sure nice to have less time on the road getting back and forth. We have here a dead horse now, though.
While I'd like to think I can show up, help, learn and eventually be one of the folks who is an actual benefit to the other shooters...step one for me is to show up. I'm looking forward to this great accomplishment.
So is the "I want a match in my back yard so I don't have to travel" the main factor of why you want the Pueblo IDPA match resurrected? If so, that in its self is not going to be enough to sustain a club. Hell, I can't think of any shooter that wouldn’t mind having a match in their own back yard simply because of the convenience. But we have to look at the big picture knowing that if we don't use what we have we will lose it. Support the existing matches so we can continue to have what we have, which is pretty darn good from what I have seen. There is more than enough match shooting opportunities every month to pacify anyone’s shooting needs. Even the most hardcore shooters are not able to attend every single match every month simply due to the shear quantity of them. If the driving time/expense seems daunting then find a shooting buddy to travel with to share the expense and kill the time while driving. You would be surprised of how much more you can learn about shooting/competition when traveling with fellow shooters verses trying to piece together random thoughts on a solo drive to/from a match. Use the drive time to your advantage to bounce ideas/experiences off one another.
These are just my opinions you know. Opinions are like elbows, everyone’s got at least 2. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of a given situation, so make up your own mind on this subject. All I know is that if we don't promote/support what we currently have then we will lose it. A new club match may be cool or fun concept but in the end it will have to be supported along with all of the other matches. You need to ask yourself if it is really sustainable and are you willing to work your ass off every week knowing that the next guy wants a match in his back yard too because driving to your match is getting "old".
BLGC is always very open to hosting organizeds shoots. Perhaps we can run with this?
Getting IDPA started out at Ramah must have been important to you, you certainly have run with it...
SA Friday
06-08-2009, 13:26
Getting IDPA started out at Ramah must have been important to you, you certainly have run with it...
FYI, getting an IDPA match started out at Ramah might be harder than you think. None of the current USPSA Club(High Plains Practical Shooters) board members at BLGC shoot IDPA, and have worked damn hard to get the props/storage/facilities they currently have. Not too sure they would be available to use for this.
I have a very very good grasp on the feelings of the HPPS board. I'm one of them.
Sean, I am with you 100%.
It so easy to just say "Lets run with this" then when people realize there might be hard work involved, they just wait for someone else to do it. Then bitch when there isnt a match on a day that is good for them at a range that is close to them.
Dean Williams and company put a ton of work in out there getting IPSC started.
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