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So, I generally am a bit hot headed and really have very little patience when it comes to dealing with people. I also have a habit of not being afraid to tell people what I am really thinking.
For these reasons, I have always thought that carrying a firearm would probably lead to me doing something stupid that I might regret. Therefore, I have always convinced myself that it was probably just best to not get my permit.
Anyhow, I was talking to some people a couple of weeks ago and they told me that carrying would actually help with my temper and my low tolerance for stupid people.
What do you guys think?
hghclsswhitetrsh
07-09-2013, 20:59
No but getting beat up a couple times will.
Great-Kazoo
07-09-2013, 21:08
Yes it will. Especially when you realize that asshole who cut you off and playing games, isn't worth 3-5 in canon city. Works every time, trust me.
No but getting beat up a couple times will.
Winner winner! We have a winner!
Mick-Boy
07-09-2013, 21:12
Will getting your permit teach you tolerance?
No. People are people. They're always going to be stupid and frustrating. Carrying a gun won't change that.
But it may cause you to ask yourself "is it worth it?" before you open your mouth/get involved. The thing about wearing a gun is; Any scrap you get into has at least one gun in play.... That means every single time you go fisticuffs is a potential deadly force situation...
That fact might have a tempering effect on your willingness to be confrontational.
Anyone can be hot headed and have a temper with or without CCW.
I just do not deal with those people. IF they approach me and start crap, I will call 911.
I had a retarded crazy old man at a post office parking lot starting shit about 6mo ago. Few negative sentences exchanged.
Not worth of my time to AX Kick him on a Supra-scapular Nerve (Kyung-Jung) in front of my family.
I just took his picture of him and his car/plate# and drove away.
SA Friday
07-09-2013, 21:34
No, not tolerance. You just figure out the cost of shooting them isn't worth it.
A TASER on the other hand.... [taze]Stupid people DESERVE to ride the lightning.
It didn't teach me tolerance, but it made me exercise restraint. Thinking before stomping the crap out of some asshole that desperately deserves it...
No. Maybe for a while it will, but after years of carrying and getting used to carrying, you'll go back to the way you were as carrying a gun becomes part of your regular routine.
spongejosh
07-09-2013, 23:44
If you have to ask that question I would say you probably shouldn't carry until you have enough confidence in yourself to not go full retard.
Circuits
07-10-2013, 00:18
You have to be able to tell the difference between "asshole" and "asshole who's trying to kill me". Penalty is steep if you blow away the former without justification.
If unsure, and not under imminent threat of bodily harm, do not routinely carry a deadly weapon.
flyingcouch
07-10-2013, 07:30
You have to be able to tell the difference between "asshole" and "asshole who's trying to kill me". Penalty is steep if you blow away the former without justification.
If unsure, and not under imminent threat of bodily harm, do not routinely carry a deadly weapon.
how do you know this before you go out? If a situation arises after you are out I don't think it would work to say "hold up, I need to run home for a minute, I will be right back". I do agree with the first part though if you are unsure you can handle it don't carry.
blacklabel
07-10-2013, 07:41
I'm not a confrontational person in the first place but carrying makes me even less so. I'm aware of but ignore the general public when I'm out and about. I don't flip off cars, I don't yell or stare. I'd rather avoid a situation than cause one
lowbeyond
07-10-2013, 08:54
It should and It better.
Avoid bad situations. This aint high school.
Will getting your permit teach you tolerance?
No. People are people. They're always going to be stupid and frustrating. Carrying a gun won't change that.
But it may cause you to ask yourself "is it worth it?" before you open your mouth/get involved. The thing about wearing a gun is; Any scrap you get into has at least one gun in play.... That means every single time you go fisticuffs is a potential deadly force situation...
That fact might have a tempering effect on your willingness to be confrontational.
Great post right there!
Just to clarify, I'm not a total douche bag. Those that know me will realize that.
I don't use the middle finger when I drive, I don't get all tweaked when I get cut off or tailgated, I haven't actually come to blows with anyone in many years. I usually have a smile on my face (well, not like a certain guy named Mike on here) and am typically a polite individual.
Think I might just continue to rely on the good will of my fellow man to keep me safe and save the firearms for the range.
Thank you all for your thoughts and replies.
You are probably like most people. You just look at the average person, realize how stupid they are, and then end up interacting with the half that are even more stupid.
The realization that you have the means to almost instantaneously end the life of another person is a pretty heavy brick. Some it hits before that time is presented, others not so much. Those who ponder these questions, and educate and plan like you are, have a better chance at not just survival, but will suffer less emotional trauma if that time is presented.
If a simple card in someone's wallet won't fundamentally change their personality -a concealed carry permit doesn't make me any less aware that Boulder has the least skilled drivers in the state of Colorado.
Tinelement
07-10-2013, 12:33
It didn't teach me tolerance, but it made me exercise restraint. Thinking before stomping the crap out of some asshole that desperately deserves it...
I'm not a confrontational person in the first place but carrying makes me even less so. I'm aware of but ignore the general public when I'm out and about. I don't flip off cars, I don't yell or stare. I'd rather avoid a situation than cause one
I would agree here.
Carrying concealed has definitely made me much more aware of my surroundings, but not sure it will help tolerance...
Actually 80% of the time I forget I am carrying and have to end up turning around every once in a while before entering a gov building :)
So ,,, not sure it enters minto my mind to make me less this or that since I don't think about it.
If a simple card in someone's wallet won't fundamentally change their personality -a concealed carry permit doesn't make me any less aware that Boulder has the least skilled drivers in the state of Colorado.
You should try coming up to Evergreen sometime... you'll think you can't get back to Boulder fast enough!
Zundfolge
07-11-2013, 14:19
There is a phenomenon I call "Gun-Zen" that comes from carrying a gun and taking the responsibility of carrying very seriously.
I find that since I started CCWing 24/7/365, that I don't get as angry when I encounter rudeness, carelessness, bad drivers, etc.
When you truly understand that the end result of indulging your temper is that someone could die and you could go to jail, it forces you to look at the world and your interactions with it in a different light.
There is a phenomenon I call "Gun-Zen" that comes from carrying a gun and taking the responsibility of carrying very seriously.
I find that since I started CCWing 24/7/365, that I don't get as angry when I encounter rudeness, carelessness, bad drivers, etc.
When you truly understand that the end result of indulging your temper is that someone could die and you could go to jail, it forces you to look at the world and your interactions with it in a different light.
That's what others were telling me.
Just wanted more opinions so that's why I made this post.
So....Are you applying for one now or not? IMO if you're intelligent enough to ask this question and dissect the consequences of your actions, you'll change your attitude towards rude people.
So....Are you applying for one now or not?
No. Not yet.
Haven't determined if it suits my lifestyle or not.
Still contemplating it.
Want to learn tolerance of people and learn to be super sensitive to de-escalating every situation? Just carry without a permit.
No. Not yet.
Haven't determined if it suits my lifestyle or not.
Still contemplating it.
I'd still apply for one. You don't have to carry just because you have one, though its a great option when you're mentally ready.
I'd still apply for one. You don't have to carry just because you have one, though its a great option when you're mentally ready.
This. Just because you have a permit doesn't mean you have to carry a gun, especially if you're not sure you should. But it does give you the ability to do so when you want to or feel you're ready. There's a lot of times that I don't have one, but I don't really go out and about that much. And I'm very mellow-tempered and non-confrontational. But sometimes I feel more like a vulnerable target than other times, because of injury flareups that limit my mobility.
Zundfolge
07-12-2013, 10:49
Want to learn tolerance of people and learn to be super sensitive to de-escalating every situation? Just carry without a permit.
There may be something to this.
The first couple of years that I CCWed daily I lived in Wichita Kansas ... before CCW was legal there (keep in mind that back then illegal CCW was a rarely enforced minor misdemeanor that was usually used as a tag-on to other charges and almost never charged alone ... also I knew a significant portion of the Wichita PD as I designed their business cards and a police captain lived next door to my parents. Those that I talked to about the risks of illegal carry flat out told me they wouldn't worry about it and would carry anyway. Worst case scenario I would have had to pay a $100 fine and lost whatever piece I was carrying. If I ever needed my piece, assuming it was a "good shoot" I wouldn't likely be charged as I could use my reason for shooting as an affirmative defense against the concealed weapon charge).
I would recommend you get your training and apply for your permit now. Then if you still feel you shouldn't pack, you can always leave the permit and your gun at home.
yjsaindon
07-12-2013, 13:04
It may not be a bad idea to force yourself to practice a bit of prudence/tolerance prior to carrying. If you can try and get a guage for what your brain will let you overcome in frustrated moments it'll help you to make a decision. If you simply can't control your emotions, you'll know the answer to "should I carry or not" pretty quickly. I agree that now is the time to apply though as you're not mandated to carry simply because you have the permit. The more responsible, tempered gun owners we have carrying their firearms, the safer my family is. To those who do carry, thank you. It is not a responsibility to be taken lightly.
Goodburbon
07-12-2013, 13:56
Do you Carry a pocket knife? If you somehow resist the urge to stab stupid/ignorant/annoying/confrontational people in the face, what makes you think you'd shoot them?
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Do you Carry a pocket knife? If you somehow resist the urge to stab stupid/ignorant/annoying/confrontational people in the face, what makes you think you'd shoot them?
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Hmm. Good point. I carry a knife daily and have never been tempted to stab someone with it. Maybe I am more tolerant than I had originally thought.
I already have my class done but haven't felt like jumping through Adams county hoops to start the process yet. Perhaps, as others have pointed out, I should go ahead and get my permit. Even if I elect to not carry all of the time at least it will be a legal option should I choose to do so.
FYI, if something horrible were to happen to me and I found myself unarmed and unable to defend myself it probably wouldn't bother me too much. My bigger fear is that I might be helpless to prevent something horrible from happening to my wife or kids.
I know that when I first started carrying it did change me, I did become more tolerant towards the stupid things that used to irritate me, people cutting me off in traffic or just general rudeness and inconsideration by those around me, I have never gone back, my wife often comments on how patient I am versus the way I used to be.
When my wife started carrying it did the very same thing except she is still the Goddess of the car horn, other then that she has also became more patient.
But I know a couple guys that did not change at all so I think it safe to say that it could help you but it may not, the only way to find out is to go and get your CCW and see what happens, if you do not feel comfortable I would suggest you not carry, as hard as it may be to hear, getting your ass kicked can be therapy, i work in a jail and I can attest to the philosophy, I have seen it work.
I could help but think of this at the way the question was asked:
"And the answer to your question is "yes". You fight for me, you get to kill the English."
To be honest, for me it is like carrying zen on my belt. I have a inner peace when I know that I'm secure in handling almost any situation that might arise.
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theGinsue
07-24-2013, 20:39
Just to clarify, I'm not a total douche bag.
Aw, c'mon. Don't be so hard on yourself, of course you are.
[ROFL2] Sorry Ray, I couldn't help myself. Actually, you're a great guy.
I wonder the same thing about myself in carry situations... "Can I keep my ego in check & avoid situations completely, or at least not escalate them?" Not only is this person-to-person dependent, it's situationally dependent. Best of luck on making the right decision or YOU.
Thanks, Thomas.
I think.
[Coffee]
Hmm. Good point. I carry a knife daily and have never been tempted to stab someone with it. Maybe I am more tolerant than I had originally thought.
I already have my class done but haven't felt like jumping through Adams county hoops to start the process yet. Perhaps, as others have pointed out, I should go ahead and get my permit. Even if I elect to not carry all of the time at least it will be a legal option should I choose to do so.
Good enough to get a CCW for me.
LeftHandBlack
09-01-2013, 23:39
Well I would say if you still meet the eligibility for getting the permit you probably have more restraint than you think. Hot heads generally have arrests for domestic violence or assault. So if you havent got arrested for beating the wife or that occassional drunk at the bar you are doing alright!
Well I would say if you still meet the eligibility for getting the permit you probably have more restraint than you think. Hot heads generally have arrests for domestic violence or assault. So if you havent got arrested for beating the wife or that occassional drunk at the bar you are doing alright!
Hmm. Never looked at it that way before. Might have to start the long, drawn out, pain in the a$$ Adams County process.
Thank you all for your thoughts and opinions.
[Beer]
DD977GM2
09-07-2013, 20:49
Im a hot head. I admit it, but when I am carrying I am a different person.
I guess because I know what it is like to put rounds down range when my life was on the line.
I know the end result of firing my pistol in defense of myself. I know the reprcussions of center mass hits. I am more aware of the consequences of my actions if
When I am carrying I have more respect for my immediate decisions I make and the activities I partake in. I am more careful the way words pop out of my mouth
and what could be the negative consequences of my smart ass mouth.
I am a better behaved person when I am not carrying because if I do get in a confrontation, even a fist fight.....I can still be charged worse with a crime if I am
carrying then if I am not.
So I think it comes down to personal accountability and how you can control your temper while carrying.
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