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DOGSHOOTER
01-21-2009, 17:37
THE ATF HAS CHANGED THE DESIGNATION ON AR LOWERS TO HANDGUN. YOU MUST BE 21 TO PURCHASE AND CAN NOT PURCHASE OUT OF STATE WITHOUT FFL. NEW RULING.[Rant1]
Circuits
01-21-2009, 18:00
Not really, but functionally correct.

A lower without a buttstock is not a rifle or a shotgun, so does not fall under the "18 or over" exception for rifles and shotguns. As such, it can only be transferred to someone 21+ by a licensed dealer. A lower with a buttstock attached (so, basically, complete lowers as opposed to stripped) is considered a long gun, and still falls under the 18+ exception for rifles and shotguns.

There's a checkbox on the new 4473 for "receiver" in addition to "long gun" or "hand gun".
Irving
01-21-2009, 19:58
I'd like to spread this, but would like to see some sources first if you don't mind.
pickenup
01-22-2009, 01:46
I'd like to spread this, but would like to see some sources first if you don't mind.

+1
Circuits
01-22-2009, 11:29
It's in the instructions on the back of the new form itself, regarding Section B, Question 18.

http://www.atf.gov/press/2008press/100308f4473_pt1_aug2008-sample-rev.pdf
chrisguy
01-22-2009, 21:26
Hmmm.... so, does this mean that to build up a lower as a pistol, the lower no longer needs to be marked "pistol" anywhere?
[That was true, right?... or still is?]
[Dunno]

If such marking is no longer required and you had a complete lower -- or even a complete rifle I guess -- and removed the stock, could you then buy a pistol-length/SBR upper and go to town, as long as you didn't re-install a rifle stock?

Seems like I'm missing something, not that that's unheard of...
Circuits
01-23-2009, 11:04
Hmmm.... so, does this mean that to build up a lower as a pistol, the lower no longer needs to be marked "pistol" anywhere?
[That was true, right?... or still is?]
[Dunno]

If such marking is no longer required and you had a complete lower -- or even a complete rifle I guess -- and removed the stock, could you then buy a pistol-length/SBR upper and go to town, as long as you didn't re-install a rifle stock?

"pistol" marking was never a legal requirement - just that the lower had never had a buttstock installed.

Legally, if it's ever had a buttstock installed, you can't turn it into a pistol, just an NFA registered short barreled rifle. ATF changed their interpretation on this recently, and only allow pistol-rifle-pistol specifically for the Thomson/Contender pistols which they lost a court case on. Any other uses they're now going to charge you and force you to fight them in court, apparently.