Jensen arms setting up store in Wyoming

[JMBD2112]

Just saw on FB that Jensen's is having a mag sale in Wyoming on the 20th, I wonder if any "examples" will be made.

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[Delfuego]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/644294_567303733281980_976172051_n.jpgAs predicted!!!

[BuffCyclist]

Okay, so do they plan to sell to CO residents? Or is it the type of thing where they don't have to check ID's when selling mags, so they don't care?

Wonder if the police will catch wind of this and setup a highway block, road stop or something, would be ridiculous if they did that...

[BigDee]

Is it legal to to purchase magazines in another state and bring them into CO?

[JMBD2112]

Is it legal to to purchase magazines in another state and bring them into CO?

Yes

Edit: I should've read your post more thoroughly, I thought it said "illegal". Yes it is illegal.

[Bitter Clinger]

Purchase yes, bring them home NO!

[battle_sight_zero]

Purchase yes, bring them home NO!

They got to prove it and then enforce the nonsense law. Maybe Hickenloop will have drones patrolling the border?

[mtnhack]

Okay, so do they plan to sell to CO residents? Or is it the type of thing where they don't have to check ID's when selling mags, so they don't care? Wonder if the police will catch wind of this and setup a highway block, road stop or something, would be ridiculous if they did that...Again, there is no way they could prove you didn't already own (ie. pre-7/1/13) whatever magazines you were carrying at the time of the roadblock.
AND, there is no F'EN way I would consent to a car search.


The law is unenforceable.

[JMBD2112]

Maybe Hickenloop will have drones patrolling the border?

You think he has that authority?

[UrbanWolf]

Okay, so do they plan to sell to CO residents? Or is it the type of thing where they don't have to check ID's when selling mags, so they don't care?

Wonder if the police will catch wind of this and setup a highway block, road stop or something, would be ridiculous if they did that...

I don't see why they would not, good revenue.

[eneranch]

They got to prove it and then enforce the nonsense law. Maybe Hickenloop will have drones patrolling the border?

Seems to me that Hickenjoker IS a Drone; controlled by an out-of-state gun-grabbing Cockroach from NY !

[hurley842002]

You think he has that authority?

He's Barry's boy, I think he's got more authority than people think. He signed the gun control bills he gained "keys to the country", which is why he signed them.

[JMBD2112]

Seems to me that Hickenjoker IS a Drone; controlled by an out-of-state gun-grabbing Cockroach from NY !
^+1

He's Barry's boy, I think he's got more authority than people think. He signed the gun control bills he gained "keys to the country", which is why he signed them.

I wouldn't be surprised actually

[Gman]

Buy something at the WY store that's legal in CO. If law enforcement stops you to search your vehicle upon returning to the state...

[JohnTRourke]

Buy something at the WY store that's legal in CO. If law enforcement stops you to search your vehicle upon returning to the state...

seriously, who cares?
Ever look around on July 4th? Those didn't come from the local stands in town.

the law is for suckers (all, not just this one). It's way past time to stop caring any little bit about the 20 bazillion laws on the books, most of which are unconstitutional and everyone knows it.

Take your pair out of the jar in the back room and go ahead and put them on and be a free man.

[Great-Kazoo]

You think he has that authority?

Does the Guv have the authority, really? I believe we have this thing called the State Patrol. The CSP can and possibly might set up DUI check points. They ask to search your vehicle the answer is always polite but firm No.

[CO Hugh]

Just saying UPS Store

[Gman]

Take your pair out of the jar in the back room and go ahead and put them on and be a free man.
I'll have to see if my wife will let me borrow them.

[spittoon]

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[sniper7]

Is it legal to to purchase magazines in another state and bring them into CO?

Yes it is perfectly legal to buy magazines in another state and bring them to CO. As long ad they are 15 round capacity and under for rifles/handguns. or 28" worth of shells or 8 round for shotguns.


Even if they set up a roadblock like a DUI checkpoint you tell them NO. Plus I believe it would be illegal to set up anything other than a DUI checkpoint unless they declare some type of emergency like an abducted kid etc.

Take some legally owned mags with you as well. Pay only in cash.

Hell i might take a box of 30s up there, buy some "CO legal" mags and see what happens. Not breaking the law one bit and it would be interesting to see how it plays out.

[JMBD2112]

Does the Guv have the authority, really? I believe we have this thing called the State Patrol. The CSP can and possibly might set up DUI check points. They ask to search your vehicle the answer is always polite but firm No.

I was asking about drones Jim, I would think the probability of a road block would be pretty slim since people buying mags wouldn't be the only people on the road, unless they want to profile Colorado plates

[Drilldov2.0]

You think he has that authority?

Bloomberg will send him a few I am sure.

[claimbuster]

Take those new mags out of their wrapper and drag them around in the gravel for a little while. That will work.

[BuffCyclist]

Again, there is no way they could prove you didn't already own (ie. pre-7/1/13) whatever magazines you were carrying at the time of the roadblock.
AND, there is no F'EN way I would consent to a car search.


The law is unenforceable.

Very true, but they could claim they are looking for someone, how many missing kids are there in CO/WY, and if they see anything in the car, they could always claim reasonable suspicion and make you the first person to be arrested of the law. Not a chance I'd take.


Buy something at the WY store that's legal in CO. If law enforcement stops you to search your vehicle upon returning to the state...

Two receipts, 30s on 1 paid with cash, legal stuff on the other paid with a card. Then you could show proof for one purchase saying you had the 30s already.


Yes it is perfectly legal to buy magazines in another state and bring them to CO. As long ad they are 15 round capacity and under for rifles/handguns. or 28" worth of shells or 8 round for shotguns.


Even if they set up a roadblock like a DUI checkpoint you tell them NO. Plus I believe it would be illegal to set up anything other than a DUI checkpoint unless they declare some type of emergency like an abducted kid etc.

Take some legally owned mags with you as well. Pay only in cash.

Hell i might take a box of 30s up there, buy some "CO legal" mags and see what happens. Not breaking the law one bit and it would be interesting to see how it plays out.

I highly doubt they'd put up a roadblock, but everyone also highly doubted this law would pass (even though everyone was still emailing/writing/calling legislators...).

[eneranch]

Why not just check the date code to be safe (safer?) If it says 6/13 or older then you are golden; if not, you are a criminal.

ETA: Talking Pmags here

[spqrzilla]

Its pretty stupid of Jensen's to mislead people on the law's effect, regardless of the odds of it being enforced. Stupid stunts like this are why I've seen people ask if magazines > 15 can be purchased outside Colorado and brought into the state post 7/1/13.

[JMBD2112]

Why not just check the date code to be safe (safer?) If it says 6/13 or older then you are golden; if not, you are a criminal.

ETA: Talking Pmags here
Not only pmags, all of my lancer mags and about half of my GI mags have date stamps.



Its pretty stupid of Jensen's to mislead people on the law's effect, regardless of the odds of it being enforced. Stupid stunts like this are why I've seen people ask if magazines > 15 can be purchased outside Colorado and brought into the state post 7/1/13.

I agree, I've done business with Jensen a few times and I'm kind of disappointed that they are potentially setting people up for failure

[Bailey Guns]

I must be the only one who really isn't worried about owning 15+ round magazines. I own them and I'll use them just like I always have and I'm not gonna worry about this chickenshit new law.

[wctriumph]

I suppose that if I had the extra cash and needed some extra mags I might go to WY to buy some, just not at this event. However, I don't have the spare cash for mags and besides, I did my thing with Magpul earlier this year so I have plenty on hand. If you want to go break the the law, please be my guest, I bet it would be very exciting to buy a 30 round PMag legally in WY and then smuggle it in to Colorado. I'm getting all sweaty just thinking about it. Hooooo!!

As others have noted, it is a law that cannot be enforced. We will either get the law repealed or thrown out at some point. Until then, do as you think best.

[strm_trpr]

Ummm Magpul AK mags :) I may need some.

[Great-Kazoo]

I must be the only one who really isn't worried about owning 15+ round magazines. I own them and I'll use them just like I always have and I'm not gonna worry about this chickenshit new law.

I doubt it. Then again i thought i was the only one, hey man you're crowding me.

[Bailey Guns]

Best thing about the new mag law? The TP isn't overrun with dozens of new $40 PMag ads every day.

[ray1970]

Best thing about the new mag law? The TP isn't overrun with dozens of new $40 PMag ads every day.

Yep.

Still see them selling on Armslist though.

[Great-Kazoo]

Best thing about the new mag law? The TP isn't overrun with dozens of new $40 PMag ads every day.

They're making up for it with primers & powder.

[battle_sight_zero]

You think he has that authority?

I was just being or trying to be humorous. I imagine the control center would be in Boulder if he did kidding. However keep mind he recently authorize southern Colorado to be a drone testing ground.

On the other note Jensen is pretty brazen with that ad love it.

[Fmedges]

DUI checkpoints get beaten all the time btw.

[Great-Kazoo]

Not only pmags, all of my lancer mags and about half of my GI mags have date stamps.




I agree, I've done business with Jensen a few times and I'm kind of disappointed that they are potentially setting people up for failure

Just because they are selling mags in wyo, doesn't mean they are forcing CO residents to buy them. Same goes for fireworks. The business in cheyo are open for business, what someone from CO decides to do with that info, is their choice

[Bailey Guns]

I don't see how Jensen's can be accused of setting anyone up for failure. Is a liquor store, bar or restaurant setting people up for failure because a customer might potentially buy alcohol, become intoxicated and operate a car? Is a gun store setting people up for failure for selling a gun that someone might use to commit a crime?

We all make choices every day. I don't blame anyone else for the choices I make.

[spqrzilla]

I think that Jensen's ad implied that it was legal for Colorado residents to buy magazines in Wyoming and bring them home.

[Great-Kazoo]

I think that Jensen's ad implied that it was legal for Colorado residents to buy magazines in Wyoming and bring them home.

It does say LEGALLY PURCHASE. However nothing about COLORADO residents, you can LEGALLY purchase.

[spqrzilla]

Well, that will make all the difference.[Bang]

[lowbeyond]

Oh FFS.

You can go out of state and buy mags. Its illegal for you to possess them in CO if you have not had them pre 7/1. [panic]

Who the fuck cares. The law can kiss my ass.

[Great-Kazoo]

Well, that will make all the difference.[Bang]

From their business . legal standpoint. They don't specifically say HEY CO RESIDENTS drive up and buy here. Even though we all know why they are doing it. if you didn't get magazines before 94 you were too late. If you weren't old enough or born before then and didn't buy after the 08 election. No one to blame but yourself.

[3beansalad]

The law can kiss my ass.

Simple solution... hit an out of state MILSURP store and buy all the old GI Mags you want, no problem with date codes or appearing brand new.

And then upgrade with Magpul followers and plates.

[JMBD2112]

And then upgrade with Magpul followers and plates.
Can you " legally" still buy ranger plates and followers?

[3beansalad]

Can you " legally" still buy ranger plates and followers?

Ranger plates are for sale at Specialty Sports in the Springs, wasn't looking for followers, but have to believe they are available as well.

Just can't buy the mag body itself.

Larue, and Bravo both have them on their sites for sale. And no disclaimers about CO.

[UrbanWolf]

Not only pmags, all of my lancer mags and about half of my GI mags have date stamps.




I agree, I've done business with Jensen a few times and I'm kind of disappointed that they are potentially setting people up for failure

What do you mean by that?

[jtav]

Cheyenne Frontier Days starts this weekend too I think. You know how many people from Colorado head up there for that, no way they could stop all the Co. plates on way back to look for mags. Plus Weld county is not going to hassle you on the way back.

[Sparky]

Cheyenne Frontier Days starts this weekend too I think. You know how many people from Colorado head up there for that, no way they could stop all the Co. plates on way back to look for mags. Plus Weld county is not going to hassle you on the way back.



Weld county no, but how about CSP. How do we know somebody will not be lurking and reporting Co plates as they leave only to be pulled over crossing the border.

[mtnhack]

Weld county no, but how about CSP. How do we know somebody will not be lurking and reporting Co plates as they leave only to be pulled over crossing the border.And do WHAT?

There is way too much of this fear mongering and paranoia from the other side, I can't believe we are getting it from people on this site too.

[newracer]

I don't think there would be probable cause to stop someone.

[Bailey Guns]

For crying out loud, people. Do you really think Colorado law enforcement agents are going to be lurking inside gun stores in WY and other states watching for CO residents who are buying magazines? Really? Do you think they're going to be talking into hidden mics in their sleeves reporting Colorado residents buying magazines who are then heading back into the state? FFS...

[Brian]

... so who's going? :)

[jtav]

[QUOTE=Bailey Guns;1234561]For crying out loud, people. Do you really think Colorado law enforcement agents are going to be lurking inside gun stores in WY and other states watching for CO residents who are buying magazines? Really? Do you think they're going to be talking into hidden mics in their sleeves reporting Colorado residents buying magazines who are then heading back into the state? FFS...[/QU

Thank you you always seem to be a voice of reason around here, I think CSP has alot of other things to worry about.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you?

[spqrzilla]

mtnhack, you are not understanding my point at all. And frankly, its getting annoying.

I don't care if you go to Wyoming and buy 15+ round magazines. I don't care if you bring them back to Colorado. I don't even think that its very likely you'll get caught. (Don't think the chance is zero because you never know when some clown in CSP decides to make a name for himself).

I think that its inappropriate for Jensen to imply that its legal to do so. I've already seen people ask in gun forums if they could do this very thing. If people want to take the apparently low risk - I want them to be doing so knowingly. Not fooled into thinking its legal.

[spqrzilla]

For crying out loud, people. Do you really think Colorado law enforcement agents are going to be lurking inside gun stores in WY and other states watching for CO residents who are buying magazines? Really? Do you think they're going to be talking into hidden mics in their sleeves reporting Colorado residents buying magazines who are then heading back into the state? FFS...

I think its unlikely but not impossible. You never know when some CSP clown might think he's going to make brownie points with Hickenlooper / Bloomberg and get his name in the news. I think its more likely that someone gets stopped on the way back for an ordinary traffic violation and the CSP trooper decides the person needs an attitude adjustment and provides it by shaking the car down and just happens to find magazines.

[Bailey Guns]

It's been my experience that CSP Troopers (more noticeably in metro areas where there's more traffic enforcement bidness) go out of their way NOT to enforce Title 18 statutes. On almost every occasion where I assisted CSP they didn't want anything to do with criminal enforcement. That's been a while, though.

I was in law enforcement for most of the 10 years the 94 Crime Bill was in effect. Not once...NEVER...did I hear of a local officer or state trooper enforce any provision of that law or refer someone to the feds for prosecution. Not saying it didn't happen but I think it was probably pretty rare.

I think for most officers, unless a gun (and related items like magazines) is used in an obvious crime like robbery, murder, assault or it's stolen, things like magazine capacity just aren't on their radar.

For the most part I think people are way overthinking this whole thing.

But that's just my opinion and experience.

[mtnhack]

mtnhack, you are not understanding my point at all. And frankly, its getting annoying. I don't care if you go to Wyoming and buy 15+ round magazines. I don't care if you bring them back to Colorado. I don't even think that its very likely you'll get caught. (Don't think the chance is zero because you never know when some clown in CSP decides to make a name for himself). I think that its inappropriate for Jensen to imply that its legal to do so. I've already seen people ask in gun forums if they could do this very thing. If people want to take the apparently low risk - I want them to be doing so knowingly. Not fooled into thinking its legal.So don't go. And, I guess, don't patronize Jensen Arms. I am sure if asked about the actual laws, any of their employees would gladly disseminate all pertinent information to anyone wanting to know. They are not trying to fool anyone.


But if people are too ignorant to figure out what the laws are, too bad. What is the saying? Ignorance is no excuse.

[mdflem51]

Going up Sunday..(Dwight Yoakam).. They open? i only have 50 or 60 now..Suck it Hick!

[JM Ver. 2.0]

It's been my experience that CSP Troopers (more noticeably in metro areas where there's more traffic enforcement bidness) go out of their way NOT to enforce Title 18 statutes. On almost every occasion where I assisted CSP they didn't want anything to do with criminal enforcement. That's been a while, though.

I was in law enforcement for most of the 10 years the 94 Crime Bill was in effect. Not once...NEVER...did I hear of a local officer or state trooper enforce any provision of that law or refer someone to the feds for prosecution. Not saying it didn't happen but I think it was probably pretty rare.

I think for most officers, unless a gun (and related items like magazines) is used in an obvious crime like robbery, murder, assault or it's stolen, things like magazine capacity just aren't on their radar.

For the most part I think people are way overthinking this whole thing.

But that's just my opinion and experience.

CSP brings in maybe 2-4 people a day. All on warrants.

Some days I never even see them come in the back gate...

So you're probably still right.

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

[spqrzilla]

Bailey, you are largely, 99.999% correct. And then some years ago, I got involved in an incident where a CSP trooper decided it was his job to detain a truck full of hunters with properly tagged game while he got the District Wildlife Manager to drive out to tell him what a properly tagged deer carcass looked like ....

[Bailey Guns]

Oohhhh...Title 33. That's really uncharted territory for most troopers (though not in the more rural areas).

[Beer]

[JMBD2112]

What do you mean by that?
This.....spqrzilla hit the nail on the head





I think that its inappropriate for Jensen to imply that its legal to do so. I've already seen people ask in gun forums if they could do this very thing. If people want to take the apparently low risk - I want them to be doing so knowingly. Not fooled into thinking its legal.

[PSS]

Definitely not Jensen's problem that CO made a douche move and banned normal capacity mags. Hard to believe a gun owner wouldn't know the specifics of the law if he's making a road trip to Wyoming for mags. I guess they should put a legal notice outlining exactly what you can and cannot do. If they are specifically telling people they can legally buy mags in Wyoming and bring them into CO as residents then there would be a problem.

[spqrzilla]

Definitely not Jensen's problem that CO made a douche move and banned normal capacity mags. Hard to believe a gun owner wouldn't know the specifics of the law if he's making a road trip to Wyoming for mags. I guess they should put a legal notice outlining exactly what you can and cannot do. If they are specifically telling people they can legally buy mags in Wyoming and bring them into CO as residents then there would be a problem.

A lot of people do not understand the fine points of the law we've debated in great detail here. I think that they are implying that buying them in Wyoming and taking them back to Colorado is legal.

[spqrzilla]

Oohhhh...Title 33. That's really uncharted territory for most troopers (though not in the more rural areas).

[Beer]

When dealing with his superior on behalf of my client, I offered to tutor the trooper in my hunter education class for free. Wasn't taken up on the offer....

[newracer]

I don't see how they are implying anything, I see this as a way for Jensen Arms to recoup sales that they can no longer have in Colorado.

[rondog]

Even though I think I already have enough legal 30rd. mags, if I were in another state and decided to buy some more, well, there's still USPS Flat Rate Boxes or Fedex, or UPS. And I have brothers in OK & TX.

Just sayin'.....hypothetically, of course.

[rockhound]

If you wtill feel like you need more 30 round mags then you are way late to the party my friend

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

If you wtill feel like you need more 30 round mags then you are way late to the party my friend

This.

[TheWeeze]

What it sounds like to me is that Jensen has a stockpile of magazines and needs to unload them somewhere. So WY is the next logical place. And what better time than CFD Rodeo to see traffic. They can't help it if someone comes up from CO and buys mags. Are they going to ID everybody that pays cash?

[waxthis]

I'm still looking for a 72 rounder.

[Superorb]

Even though I think I already have enough legal 30rd. mags, if I were in another state and decided to buy some more, well, there's still USPS Flat Rate Boxes or Fedex, or UPS. And I have brothers in OK & TX.

Just sayin'.....hypothetically, of course.

Exactly. And I doubt they xray every single package to see if any of them have magazines in them.