View Full Version : Petition to put "remove mag ban" on the ballot.
EvilRhino
07-14-2013, 19:35
I haven't seen any mention of this yet. Sounds like they have the petitions approved and being distributed. Currently at 4 Denver area gun shops but they hope to expand.
Put it to the people (http://putittothepeople.wordpress.com/)
From their site:
The ballot title:
Shall there be an amendment to the Colorado constitution prohibiting any restriction on the purchase or possession of ammunition storage and feeding devices other than a restriction enacted by a voter-approved law?
The exact language of the law is as follows:
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Be it Enacted by the People of the State of Colorado:
In the constitution of the state of Colorado, article II, add section 32 as follows:
Section 32. Gun magazines – no limitation or restriction.
No law, except a law enacted by a vote of the people, shall restrict or limit the right of the people to purchase or possess ammunition storage and feeding devices of any capacity.
Map of the 4 shops. map (https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=204326803796018336669.0004e0b738e81a350ad8 e&msa=0&ll=39.59934,-104.867249&spn=0.560818,1.491394) There's mention that they plan to be in every gun store in the state.
Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/PutittothePeople) Seems to be updated more frequently than the main page.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/Putit2thepeople) Looks like they just started this, but this is where I found the map link.
Email link to volunteer. putittothepeople@gmail.com
Making good use of social media. It also looks like they are accepting volunteers, so with the experience of the previous petition gathering... I know I could get a copy of one and get 20-50 people that I know that I can get to sign by bringing it with me places.
Not sure if this belongs here or Politics, but maybe a sticky?
Wonder how much money they have available to do this.
The CO teacher union donated 250k to support the tax increase (http://www.coloradostatesman.com/content/994253-%3Fcampaign-kids%3F-good-fundraising-start). I do not think these things come cheaply.
We need some rmgo NRA and magpul funds!
Would be awesome to see this pass
EvilRhino
07-14-2013, 19:59
If the hippies can get pot on the ballot, this can't be out of reach. I'd think the main focus is going to be actual volunteers vs. paid collectors. If most of us got involved, even on a personal level of learning the process of collecting them and had a petition with us, how many people do we each know that would sign?
They're using social media in a good way. The idea that the petition is going to hopefully be in every gun shop in the state will help as well.
Jumpstart
07-14-2013, 20:24
IMO the background check is the issue that is the most nefarious, scary and dangerous law. The mag limit is just plain silly.
We have to start somewhere JumpStart.
Jumpstart
07-14-2013, 21:42
We have to start somewhere JumpStart.
Indeed, and keep on going.
spqrzilla
07-14-2013, 22:23
I'm not impressed. Its very vague language.
Make that very unimpressed.
<MADDOG>
07-14-2013, 22:39
As I am leary of "contribute" buttons, is Fundly safe?
I'm all about this, but I see they are just starting out, and think they may need deniro first, and am willing to help.
IMO the background check is the issue that is the most nefarious, scary and dangerous law. The mag limit is just plain silly.
Have to disagree.. The most most nefarious was HB-1043. First passed but most damning. If you have a CCW and ANY run in with the law.... this could screw you.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2013a/csl.nsf/billcontainers/A1381F329604BCFB87257AEE0057E410/$FILE/1043_01.pdf
"Under current law, for the purposes of criminal law, a deadly weapon is defined as a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded; a knife; a bludgeon; or any other weapon, device, instrument, material, or substance, whether animate or inanimate, that in the manner it is used or intended to be used is capable of producing death or serious bodily injury. The bill modifies this definition so that a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, qualifies as a deadly weapon regardless of the manner in which it is used or intended to be used."
Damnit, I think that EVERY proposed law should be put to a vote of The People, and not just passed by legislators "for our own good". Isn't that the way it's SUPPOSED to be in this country? They think them up and ask us if we agree by a vote? Sure would be a damn sight better if it was that way.
Damnit, I think that EVERY proposed law should be put to a vote of The People, and not just passed by legislators "for our own good". Isn't that the way it's SUPPOSED to be in this country? They think them up and ask us if we agree by a vote? Sure would be a damn sight better if it was that way.
That is a poor idea we are not a democracy. We are a republic where even the smallest voice should be heard. If everything went to a vote we would be screwed, remember the supposed 90% for gun control? Majority does not rule for a reason, remember the electoral college was made because they knew they were dealing with a bunch of idiots.
That is a poor idea we are not a democracy. We are a republic where even the smallest voice should be heard. If everything went to a vote we would be screwed, remember the supposed 90% for gun control? Majority does not rule for a reason, remember the electoral college was made because they knew they were dealing with a bunch of idiots.
And this is why the proposal to repeal the gun bills via initiative is so poorly conceived, and dangerous to our rights. It would be disastrous to lose our rights at the polls.
And this is why the proposal to repeal the gun bills via initiative is so poorly conceived, and dangerous to our rights. It would be disastrous to lose our rights at the polls.
Agreed, i do not want this to make it to a vote. Kopel's law suit is our best hope.
Agreed, i do not want this to make it to a vote. Kopel's law suit is our best hope.
Or just put in politicians that will repeal it next term.
battle_sight_zero
07-15-2013, 07:29
That is a poor idea we are not a democracy. We are a republic where even the smallest voice should be heard. If everything went to a vote we would be screwed, remember the supposed 90% for gun control? Majority does not rule for a reason, remember the electoral college was made because they knew they were dealing with a bunch of idiots.
I do believe that every county should have a representative in the State house. The rural counties do have a point that they are providing 70 percent of the states revenue but the clowns from the front range are controlling everything. I would feel more confident in our state government if everyone was represented in such a way. My State senator and representative are sure the heck not doing anything for me or the farmers or ranchers in my family. The Front range overpowers the smaller counties, but damm right the state is feeding off the hard work of ranchers, farmers and oil gas industries. Wont get my hopes up because the powers that be would not want this to happen. If we had this in play there would not be any stupid mag and transfer laws and certainly no green energy tax on farmers. I see my step father and mother working there tails off, but some starbucks drinking metro sexuals who have no clue sit on there pompous thrones deciding this and that with no clue about what it takes to get crops and cows to market.
I do believe that every county should have a representative in the State house. The rural counties do have a point that they are providing 70 percent of the states revenue but the clowns from the front range are controlling everything...Do you have a reference for that number?
Or just put in politicians that will repeal it next term.
You going to count on that? Which presidential candidate won CO last year? I don't think CO will go red again anytime soon... the left has done a pretty good job of making it so that there is at least equal footing in the state legislature, if not then majority.
battle_sight_zero
07-15-2013, 11:21
Do you have a reference for that number?
Sorry I was using the numbers put out here http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/07/09/effort-to-create-new-state-called-north-colorado-grows/ seems I exaggerated but they are claiming that they are funding 70 percent of the public schools through the energy sector.
IMO the background check is the issue that is the most nefarious, scary and dangerous law. The mag limit is just plain silly.
I have strong doubts the background check law would be overturned. There is already a legal precedent, with the FFL sales and also Colorado's gunshow law.
The liberal voters could then vote in a much more draconian ban....
Hi all,
I have just become a petition calculator for this petition and will do my best to answer all your questions.
We have all the petitions printed and are pounding the pavement, but we need help, number, and signatures.
Spqrzilla, the language of the petition is as such so it pertains to the magazine ban and only the ban. If if was more wordy or covered more aspects it could more easily get challenged in court and overturned.
I am one of the south-metro organizers and we need people to help and sign.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
That is a poor idea we are not a democracy. We are a republic where even the smallest voice should be heard. If everything went to a vote we would be screwed, remember the supposed 90% for gun control? Majority does not rule for a reason, remember the electoral college was made because they knew they were dealing with a bunch of idiots.
Actually we are niether a democracy or republic.
Democracy: People rule. One man(person), one vote on all issues
Republic: Representative government. People do not nessasarily have any say in who represents them.
We are a democratic republic. We vote for our representatives. One person, one vote on who represents us. If we were a democracy you would be correct and only majority would rule. As you point out, it could run to current "feelings" of public opinion guiding all decisions. If we were a pure republic, an arostocracy could rule such as during Roman times. If you were not part of the land owning gentry, normally with a political background, you did not have a vote.
This is better.... But not a Republic.
GilpinGuy
07-28-2013, 00:13
Actually we are niether a democracy or republic.
Democracy: People rule. One man(person), one vote on all issues
Republic: Representative government. People do not nessasarily have any say in who represents them.
We are a democratic republic. We vote for our representatives. One person, one vote on who represents us. If we were a democracy you would be correct and only majority would rule. As you point out, it could run to current "feelings" of public opinion guiding all decisions. If we were a pure republic, an arostocracy could rule such as during Roman times. If you were not part of the land owning gentry, normally with a political background, you did not have a vote.
This is better.... But not a Republic.
Yup. Like Mike Rosen has said time and time again we are:
"a constitutional republic with representative government and well-established democratic institutions"
Where can I either print a petition to have signed or actually sign one?
GilpinGuy
07-28-2013, 00:41
Hi all,
I have just become a petition calculator for this petition and will do my best to answer all your questions.
We have all the petitions printed and are pounding the pavement, but we need help, number, and signatures.
Spqrzilla, the language of the petition is as such so it pertains to the magazine ban and only the ban. If if was more wordy or covered more aspects it could more easily get challenged in court and overturned.
I am one of the south-metro organizers and we need people to help and sign.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Where can I either print a petition to have signed or actually sign one?
Yeah, where? I have to actually look for stuff like this being up in the hills, so I need a specific place, time, etc. where I can sign.
muddywings
07-28-2013, 06:27
MUST KNOW WHERE TO SIGN--TELL ME...NOW!
Great-Kazoo
07-28-2013, 06:43
That is a poor idea we are not a democracy. We are a republic where even the smallest voice should be heard. If everything went to a vote we would be screwed, remember the supposed 90% for gun control? Majority does not rule for a reason, remember the electoral college was made because they knew they were dealing with a bunch of idiots.
And this is why the proposal to repeal the gun bills via initiative is so poorly conceived, and dangerous to our rights. It would be disastrous to lose our rights at the polls.
The whole deal is Catch - 22. if the Bill fails the gun grabbers say it's a Mandate from the people. While The Gun law suits are still in play.
IF it passes the gun grabbers will seek an injunction to halt it.
They did the same with Amendment 22? which earned CO the moniker The Hate State.
Make no mistake, ANY Favorable gun laws passed, or won in the state court will be challenged by a well oiled, well financed MAIG war machine. Social media is their friend, and they control the MSM.
We are David staring down Goliath . Do you sit on the sidelines pissing and moaning how our rights have been eroded, OR do you grab a slingshot and stand United?
The whole deal is Catch - 22. if the Bill fails the gun grabbers say it's a Mandate from the people. While The Gun law suits are still in p;ay.
IF it passes the gun grabbers will seek an injunction to halt it.
They did the same with Amendment 22? which earned CO the moniker The Hate State.
Make no mistake, ANY Favorable gun laws passed, or won in the state court will be challenged by a well oiled, well financed MAIG war machine. Social media is their friend, and they control the MSM.
We are David staring down Goliath . Do you sit on the sidelines pissing and moaning how our rights have been eroded, OR do you grab a slingshot and stand United?
Ive been making slingshots since I was a kid! Even killed a cat with one. I'm ready
The whole deal is Catch - 22. if the Bill fails the gun grabbers say it's a Mandate from the people. While The Gun law suits are still in p;ay.
IF it passes the gun grabbers will seek an injunction to halt it.
They did the same with Amendment 22? which earned CO the moniker The Hate State.
Make no mistake, ANY Favorable gun laws passed, or won in the state court will be challenged by a well oiled, well financed MAIG war machine. Social media is their friend, and they control the MSM.
We are David staring down Goliath . Do you sit on the sidelines pissing and moaning how our rights have been eroded, OR do you grab a slingshot and stand United?
Very well said. If you do nothing then you can't complain about the outcome.
Mike
The whole deal is Catch - 22. if the Bill fails the gun grabbers say it's a Mandate from the people. While The Gun law suits are still in p;ay.
IF it passes the gun grabbers will seek an injunction to halt it.
They did the same with Amendment 22? which earned CO the moniker The Hate State.
Make no mistake, ANY Favorable gun laws passed, or won in the state court will be challenged by a well oiled, well financed MAIG war machine. Social media is their friend, and they control the MSM.
We are David staring down Goliath . Do you sit on the sidelines pissing and moaning how our rights have been eroded, OR do you grab a slingshot and stand United?
Yeah, I've heard the same thing.. Basically if it gets on the ballot and is not voted in this could end up being the nail in the coffin as it would be as you said a "mandate" from the people of colorado.
Could you imagine how that would play out in the National Press? Headline news! Colorado voters overwhelmingly vote in support of gun control and magazine bans in state voter referendum! News at eleven..
I think that the courts are going to side with us on the sheriffs lawsuit however the point of the lawsuit being what is "normal" use will likely mean that a mag ban on over 30 would probably stick in the future.
The leftys are pros at the death by a 1000 papercuts game.. I think we need to start playing the same game. Rather than wasting time trying to pass one law to cover all gun rights at one time (which would never fly) lets just start injecting 1 small law at a time that cements a particular firearms right that by itself would be an easy pass, eventually they will all add up.
This would require the majority of the pro2A group being PROactive & the community seem content with being reactive until all of our rights are successfully eroded away. Every time I see someone come u with a plan to do something proactive there's dozens of people saying why it wont work or why it will.actually HARM our cause. Too smart for our own good & too many people trying to seem like they know it all on social media rather than take action to restore freedoms. That attitude will never get us anywhere other than the path we're already on. Revolution? ROFL. We can't even agree on a bill to back let alone risk life & limb to do the same. We're a fragmented community easy for targeting.
OtterbatHellcat
07-28-2013, 10:53
So where are the four gun stores located at?..I seem to have missed that info.
Actually we are niether a democracy or republic.
Democracy: People rule. One man(person), one vote on all issues
Republic: Representative government. People do not nessasarily have any say in who represents them.
We are a democratic republic. We vote for our representatives. One person, one vote on who represents us. If we were a democracy you would be correct and only majority would rule. As you point out, it could run to current "feelings" of public opinion guiding all decisions. If we were a pure republic, an arostocracy could rule such as during Roman times. If you were not part of the land owning gentry, normally with a political background, you did not have a vote.
This is better.... But not a Republic.
True, i should have added Democratic and i know better. I will still stand my ground and say we should still not vote on everything that comes up because we are not a democracy and i am glad we are not.
Muddywings, Gilpinguy, 00tec,
Please private message me with what city you live in and I can see if there is a signing function near you.
we will be at the tanner gun show the weekend of the 3rd if anyone can make it.
As for the "voting in worse bills than what we have now argument" they would have to get apx 100,000 signatures just to put it on the ballot (not easy). Also If we don't get this put on the ballot the dems can force feed us an even worse bill if the Sheriffs are successful in their lawsuit. There will be nothing to stop them from getting another bite at the apple.
Dan_k, why not make the info public?
OtterbatHellcat
07-28-2013, 15:54
Dan_k, why not make the info public?
I'm kinda wondering about that myself.
Dan_k, why not make the info public?
Exactly what I was wondering. This is your chance to get some steam behind this movement. Were you warned by site staff not to give details for fear of a the conversation being too 'political' or something? Not not, post away.
Dan_k, why not make the info public?
You make a very valid point. I was trying to be respectful of peoples privacy on the public forum (if that is possible). It was my thought that people may be a little shy about disclosing where they live. Also I don't want to miss a post and end up not informing them of a signing location, these threads can get long.
We will be at the Tanner Gun Show the weekend of the August 3rd/4th if you can make it.
I will make any signing locations and times available, we are trying to setup a web page to let anyone check it any time and not have to wait on me.
You make a very valid point. I was trying to be respectful of peoples privacy on the public forum (if that is possible). It was my thought that people may be a little shy about disclosing where they live. Also I don't want to miss a post and end up not informing them of a signing location, these threads can get long.
We will be at the Tanner Gun Show the weekend of the August 3rd/4th if you can make it.
I will make any signing locations and times available, we are trying to setup a web page to let anyone check it any time and not have to wait on me.
Easy enough to edit your first post with added info, and just link to it (your first post) in subsequent posts. https://www.ar-15.co/threads/110615-Petition-to-put-remove-mag-ban-on-the-ballot?p=1233767&viewfull=1#post1233767
Most of our locations are listed right out in the open. I am Thornton.
<-see, it says it right there
I would like to see the repeal of the entire law put to a vote by the people. And include a little part in there that bans them from trying anything like this again. .02
trlcavscout
07-28-2013, 19:35
Where do we sign up north?
Doc,
In essence this will prevent them from doing it again. If we get enough petitions and pass it on the ballot. The legislative body will need 2/3 majority to even push it to the vote of the people.
Now just as any law, they could pass one to try and circumvent it, but it leaves it open to be more easily overturned in the courts.
We are looking to get more petition circulators. If you think you can get 62 signatures or more, please let me know or send a message to putittothepeople@gmail.com (http://putittothepeople.wordpress.com/). The reason for 62, is each packet we hand out contains 62 sections to sign.
Well, at this rate, it's very likely that if you give me one, I can just have members swing by my house and sign since you still haven't told anyone where it is possible. (Other than the madhouse on 2 days on 58th ave)
We are currently work on getting singing locations set up. You can find the current list here http://putittothepeople.wordpress.com/signing-locations/.
I think we have a rep up north that could get a packet to you asap. I will let you know.
I think I could get 62 people to sign up.
New Signing locations http://putittothepeople.wordpress.com/signing-locations/
Nice, guess I'll be swinging by DCF tomorrow :)
Signing locations can be found in this link (scroll down the page a little) http://putittothepeople.wordpress.com/signing-locations/
My dream Colorado constitutional amendment:
There shall be no law, ordinance or rule made or tax or fee levied that affects the acquisition, possession or disposal of any firearm, ammunition feeding device, ammunition or any parts thereof.
Thank you antis for a term that covers magazines, clips and belts!
O2
Damnit, I think that EVERY proposed law should be put to a vote of The People, and not just passed by legislators "for our own good". Isn't that the way it's SUPPOSED to be in this country? They think them up and ask us if we agree by a vote? Sure would be a damn sight better if it was that way.
No, vote by the people is not how it's supposed to be. The US is a representative democracy, not a true democracy.
kawiracer14
09-12-2013, 14:20
I'm sure we would get great voter turn out every week when new laws or changes were purposed. We wouldn't have a "government" if every law was put to the people.
I'm sure we would get great voter turn out every week when new laws or changes were purposed. We wouldn't have a "government" if every law was put to the people.
And we would be locally outvoted by the liberal population center of Denver/Boulder on every vote.
We would be nationally outvoted by the liberal population centers of New York and LA on every vote.
Not a good idea.
Fortunately, the framers of our Constitution were pretty smart and thought these things through.
spqrzilla
09-12-2013, 20:35
Pueblo has us very excited, but Colorado Springs recall should be a wake up call that our GOTV efforts were weak.
two shoes
09-12-2013, 23:10
No, vote by the people is not how it's supposed to be. The US is a representative democracy, not a true democracy.
All this time I thought we were a Republic...
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