View Full Version : ATF Considering Streamlining SBR Process
ThunderSquirrel
07-24-2013, 12:18
Link
http://www.guns.com/2013/07/23/atf-requests-changed-to-sbr-application/
The part about automatic approval or shorter times seems like a pipe dream to me. But I would love to have a quicker turn around on forms once you've already had one approved.
What they need to do is not make it a stamp requirement. Its asinine considering the pistols we have today. I get back in the day when they had low capacity handguns but now we can have Ar pistols etc.
KestrelBike
07-24-2013, 13:24
I know fundamentally and on principal I shouldn't, but I'd be fine with just the normal BGC and $200 auto-approve stamp for SBR/silencer.
JM Ver. 2.0
07-24-2013, 13:33
I know fundamentally and on principal I shouldn't, but I'd be fine with just the normal BGC and $200 auto-approve stamp for SBR/silencer.
I would be ok with it too...
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BuffCyclist
07-24-2013, 13:40
I know fundamentally and on principal I shouldn't, but I'd be fine with just the normal BGC and $200 auto-approve stamp for SBR/silencer.
I live in a shall-issue state for CCW, and the deadline for them to issue is 90 days (granted I got mine in 18 days). Are you still okay with a 6mo or longer wait? That's the biggest reason why I haven't SBR'd my current stripped lower, because I am not generally patient when it comes to new toys.
However, if they removed the CLEO signature, and made the forms electronic that I could access online and pay online, I would be more tempted to SBR things.
JM Ver. 2.0
07-24-2013, 13:43
I live in a shall-issue state for CCW, and the deadline for them to issue is 90 days (granted I got mine in 18 days). Are you still okay with a 6mo or longer wait? That's the biggest reason why I haven't SBR'd my current stripped lower, because I am not generally patient when it comes to new toys.
However, if they removed the CLEO signature, and made the forms electronic that I could access online and pay online, I would be more tempted to SBR things.
No CLEO siggy on a trust....
How about this for some bullshit.....
The sheriff that I work for.... won't wign off on NFA forms for me.... Dude knows more about my life than I do!!!
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Zundfolge
07-24-2013, 13:54
Frankly the SBR/SBS section of the 1934 National Firearms Act should have been removed when they removed the ban on handguns from the bill to gain passage (originally handguns would have been treated like full auto ... $200 tax stamp and registration, but it was doomed to fail so they yanked the handgun ban out. The SBR and SBS language was in there to prevent people from cutting down rifles and shotguns as a loophole to get around the handgun rules. Once the handgun ban was removed it just became a stupid and arbitrary law).
mtnrider
07-24-2013, 14:08
How about this for some bullshit.....
The sheriff that I work for.... won't wign off on NFA forms for me.... Dude knows more about my life than I do!!!
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Are you kidding me? Is it just for people that works for him or does he refuse to sign off for anyone?
JM Ver. 2.0
07-24-2013, 14:10
Are you kidding me? Is it just for people that works for him or does he refuse to sign off for anyone?
Anyone. So I guess I should compliment him on being consistent and not playing favorites.
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mtnrider
07-24-2013, 15:26
Anyone. So I guess I should compliment him on being consistent and not playing favorites.
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I'm guessing your Sheriff is not one of the ones taking part in the lawsuit and standing up against the new laws then?
JM Ver. 2.0
07-24-2013, 15:45
I'm guessing your Sheriff is not one of the ones taking part in the lawsuit and standing up against the new laws then?
actually Sheriff Darr is taking part in the lawsuit. Probably not for 2nd Amendment preservation reasons. Probably for the fact its unenforceable and would waste Sheriffs Office man hours.
What he said.
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hghclsswhitetrsh
07-24-2013, 15:48
No CLEO siggy on a trust....
How about this for some bullshit.....
The sheriff that I work for.... won't wign off on NFA forms for me.... Dude knows more about my life than I do!!!
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Good. Do you think you're more special or deserving than any adams county resident?
hghclsswhitetrsh
07-24-2013, 15:48
actually Sheriff Darr is taking part in the lawsuit. Probably not for 2nd Amendment preservation reasons. Probably for the fact its unenforceable and would waste Sheriffs Office man hours.
He was the second to last to sign right? Thanks god this is his last term.
JM Ver. 2.0
07-24-2013, 15:53
Good. Do you think you're more special or deserving than any adams county resident?
I almost bitched you out right there.
I'm not an Adams County resident. Jeff Co, actually. Mink will sign off.
My point was more along the lines of, Darr won't even sign off on SO employees, let alone normal folks.
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hghclsswhitetrsh
07-24-2013, 15:58
I almost bitched you out right there.
I'm not an Adams County resident. Jeff Co, actually. Mink will sign off.
My point was more along the lines of, Darr won't even sign off on SO employees, let alone normal folks.
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Doug Darr is a tool. News flash, no c.o., police officer, swat member, police chief, street thumper etc is more "eligible" or "deserving" than me a legal law abiding citizen to NFA items.
Sorry op for the thread jack.
Great-Kazoo
07-24-2013, 17:11
Doug Darr is a tool. News flash, no c.o., police officer, swat member, police chief, street thumper etc is more "eligible" or "deserving" than me a legal law abiding citizen to NFA items.
Sorry op for the thread jack.
SOMEONE'S GROUCHY.
JM Ver. 2.0
07-24-2013, 17:13
Doug Darr is a tool. News flash, no c.o., police officer, swat member, police chief, street thumper etc is more "eligible" or "deserving" than me a legal law abiding citizen to NFA items.
Sorry op for the thread jack.
That wasn't what I meant. I don't care who has what or who doesn't. I think the CLEO signature is stupid. The hell does the CLEO know about anyone?
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No CLEO siggy on a trust....
How about this for some bullshit.....
The sheriff that I work for.... won't wign off on NFA forms for me.... Dude knows more about my life than I do!!!
Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
That blows. He will sign for me though!
JM Ver. 2.0
07-24-2013, 17:30
That blows. He will sign for me though!
Sexual favors in exchange for signatures? :D
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Great-Kazoo
07-24-2013, 17:38
Sexual favors in exchange for signatures? :D
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He's all choked up about it.
JM Ver. 2.0
07-24-2013, 17:44
He's all choked up about it.
Bah hahahahahahahhaha.
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SA Friday
07-24-2013, 21:16
Do a gun trust... Dave Weaver down here in Douglas Co is the same way and he owns NFA items. He won't sign anyones including cops. All but one of the form 4's I've seen returned for errors were by sheriffs. Do a trust.
BTW, We've heard all of this before Oblowme got into office. Was a lot of talk about removing suppressors from the NFA requirements as they were so common and the $200 didn't cover the cost of the process. AND....
Of course they would when I'm already sending of SBR paperwork. I'm sure they'll change it the day after they start mine in the process just because that's my luck. Also considering a couple additional suppressors.
Of course they would when I'm already sending of SBR paperwork. I'm sure they'll change it the day after they start mine in the process just because that's my luck. Also considering a couple additional suppressors.
Yup.
I wouldn't count on getting our $200 back.
Did I miss the part where it said they would not still be taking money?
Nope.. they just said they'd take it faster!
All this means is it's going to take six months instead of twelve. Oh wait didn't it used to take six months?
Now that I've finally had time to read what is being proposed this is NOT going to make the process any easier and in fact will make it more difficult.
BTW, the article talks about form 5320.1 which is NOT the form to apply for SBR. That is a Form 1. Form 5320.1 is the form to Certify your Compliance with the Citizenship required for Form 1 to be processed. They want to change the format to 8.5x14? Fuck that shit! They just keep doing little things to make it more and more difficult to jump through all the hoops. Now they're adding another hoop (how many of you have the ability to print 8.5 x 14" documents front & back easily) under the guise of streamlining? This shit is SO annoying! This doesn't streamline shit... it makes it even more complicated for the average Joe to print off the forms he needs at home and prepare them for sending off. The debit/credit card versus check thing is pointless and saves zero time. With recent changes in laws to how checks are processed it takes a couple of days for out-of-state checks to clear and it takes about the same time for a credit card charge to clear a ACH anyway. Funds are actually in their account at the same time and you know they're not budging until they get paid either way. Hell, if they wanted they could 'instantly' and electronically process your checks upon receipt in the exact same way they process credit/debit cards currently.
SOMEONE'S GROUCHY.
Pot, meet Kettle...[ROFL1]
Seriously, the NFA process needs serious updating. Supressors should be sold on the same aisle as earplugs, with exatly the same requirements for purchase: Do you have $xx.xx?
Colorado1876
07-25-2013, 19:22
Other than the extra paperwork and the tax, does anyone know exactly what the BATFE does when processing an NFA item? I mean, a CBI takes minutes (again... finally). What else is BATFE doing with the application?
Other than the extra paperwork and the tax, does anyone know exactly what the BATFE does when processing an NFA item? I mean, a CBI takes minutes (again... finally). What else is BATFE doing with the application?
answer the phone from all the people wondering what the status is on their item.
Circuits
07-25-2013, 19:54
The 9 active examiners take less than ten minutes per Form, on average, once it hits their desk. The long wait comes from the hundreds of thousands of applications stacked up in piles everywhere, waiting to be processed, as new applications roll in at the rate of 10,000 per month or so. 2 weeks to a month to make it into the pile, 7 to 8 months in the pile, then another week or two getting sent out in the mail to the transferror.
http://www.vmgin.com/arfcom/stack.jpg
wow - 10,000 per month. $2M a month in fee income, $24M annually. They should hire some more examiners but then some welfare witch wouldn't get her EBT.
SA Friday
07-25-2013, 21:10
The 9 active examiners take less than ten minutes per Form, on average, once it hits their desk. The long wait comes from the hundreds of thousands of applications stacked up in piles everywhere, waiting to be processed, as new applications roll in at the rate of 10,000 per month or so. 2 weeks to a month to make it into the pile, 7 to 8 months in the pile, then another week or two getting sent out in the mail to the transferror.
http://www.vmgin.com/arfcom/stack.jpg
Wow, dude. Just wow. This just solidifies my belief that this whole NFA system is a sham. Seriously, an SBR is a pistol with a buttstock and a suppressor is a F'n muffler for a gun.
Don't forget the $500 tax on retailers et al annually and the "just wait" for the new SOT every year.
Colorado1876
07-26-2013, 16:50
That is unbelievable! Have they never heard of "digital"? If you can renew your car registration online, they should be able to process this stuff with a few key strokes and issue you a digital "yes" so you can go get your NFA item from the SOT. The idea of "streamline" and "paper" is an oxymoron.
BuffCyclist
07-26-2013, 17:08
That is unbelievable! Have they never heard of "digital"? If you can renew your car registration online, they should be able to process this stuff with a few key strokes and issue you a digital "yes" so you can go get your NFA item from the SOT. The idea of "streamline" and "paper" is an oxymoron.
Ooh, digital tax stamp, I like that! It would also eliminate the employees being tied up to answer the phone to check on status, they could give things like 12 different status updates, because apparently tax collecting is addicting.
Well this picture explains a lot.
http://www.vmgin.com/arfcom/stack.jpg
All that paperwork and damn near 50% of the examiners standing around doing nothing.
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