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Kraven251
07-25-2013, 08:52
So we had the 4 month wellness check and shots for our baby boy yesterday. One of the questions was do you have any guns in your home. I had talked to her about this and that the answer is in fact always a "No" because it isn't any of their damned business. She answers "Yes," but at least had the sense to say "Yes" to the follow-up question about them being secured etc.
I have never been so pissed off at this woman, ever. On the way home I start talking to her about why it was none of their business, and she goes off on this spiel about the social and physical wellness of a child and how firearms in the house impact social development...my blood boiled.
So I asked the question what about alcohol or drugs, why didn't they ask about that, or hell why not ask what cleaning agents we use too. She still has no clue why I am so angry about the issue, and largely just thinks I am being paranoid.
I am still so fucking mad about the whole thing today.
So any suggestions on how to help her understand? because at the moment I am distracted by how irritated I am at the situation
I have a newborn baby, I think it's a dumb question to ask parents. It's none of the doctors business if someone has guns in their house.
stoner01
07-25-2013, 09:06
I have a newborn baby, I think it's a dumb question to ask parents. It's none of the doctors business if someone has guns in their house.
Going with this.
firearms in the house dosent impact social development one way or the other IMO how could it?
best bet with your wife would be to just drop it.... my wife was crazy postpartum at that time and HATED my guns (even though she loved them before and again after a year or so) that doctor sucks though our country docs never asked us
akumadiavolo
07-25-2013, 09:22
I am going to have to disagree with most gun owners on this. It is very much the doctors job and business to know about any potential risks to the baby or any other patient. If you want a doctor to "mind their own business" and not care about the child head down to Tijuana and get the baby delivered behind a taco stand for 15 bucks with a 20 dollar purchase.
Also I think the fact that people feel the need to lie to their doctor about something like gun ownership means either you are ashamed of your guns, or you don't trust your doctor. Either way it's time to make a change.
Chad4000
07-25-2013, 09:26
my wife was crazy postpartum at that time
this.... same here.....
woman.... ahem.... go crazy...............
Chad4000
07-25-2013, 09:28
I am going to have to disagree with most gun owners on this. It is very much the doctors job and business to know about any potential risks to the baby or any other patient. If you want a doctor to "mind their own business" and not care about the child head down to Tijuana and get the baby delivered behind a taco stand for 15 bucks with a 20 dollar purchase.
Also I think the fact that people feel the need to lie to their doctor about something like gun ownership means either you are ashamed of your guns, or you don't trust your doctor. Either way it's time to make a change.
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrr how about you jusf offer the information up to your doctor next time you see him, and that way, the doctors wouldnt have to ask and the rest of us wouldnt have to deal with the intrusive nature of the question.
I am going to have to disagree with most gun owners on this. It is very much the doctors job and business to know about any potential risks to the baby or any other patient. If you want a doctor to "mind their own business" and not care about the child head down to Tijuana and get the baby delivered behind a taco stand for 15 bucks with a 20 dollar purchase.
Also I think the fact that people feel the need to lie to their doctor about something like gun ownership means either you are ashamed of your guns, or you don't trust your doctor. Either way it's time to make a change.
OK, please tell us why don't they ask if you are a regular drinker or if you do drugs? Why don't they ask if you have dangerous exotic pets such as a rattlesnake collection? Do they ask if you have a pool or a hot tub? More children are negatively affected by abusive households than firearms.
StagLefty
07-25-2013, 09:30
I am going to have to disagree with most gun owners on this. It is very much the doctors job and business to know about any potential risks to the baby or any other patient. If you want a doctor to "mind their own business" and not care about the child head down to Tijuana and get the baby delivered behind a taco stand for 15 bucks with a 20 dollar purchase.
Also I think the fact that people feel the need to lie to their doctor about something like gun ownership means either you are ashamed of your guns, or you don't trust your doctor. Either way it's time to make a change.
Are you on the right forum ?
muddywings
07-25-2013, 09:33
I am going to have to disagree with most gun owners on this. It is very much the doctors job and business to know about any potential risks to the baby or any other patient. If you want a doctor to "mind their own business" and not care about the child head down to Tijuana and get the baby delivered behind a taco stand for 15 bucks with a 20 dollar purchase.
Also I think the fact that people feel the need to lie to their doctor about something like gun ownership means either you are ashamed of your guns, or you don't trust your doctor. Either way it's time to make a change.
^^^^^BAN HIM!!!!
jk...but I disagree with your disagree. Doctors are not my parents, counselors, etc etc. Baby goes in with a rash, doctor can ask what might have caused rash. Baby goes in and is a little heavy or light for that age, doctor can ask about a diet. If mom is having some postpartum issues, then and maybe then, the doctor could advise the spouse on those matters. Doctor doesn't need to know about my security system, if I lock my deadbolt, or how I protect my family. Doctors can have a god complex all they want but that doesn't make them all knowing.
BTW-I don't have kids.
As for OP....send her to her room without dinner! (good luck with that)
sellersm
07-25-2013, 09:37
OK, please tell us why don't they ask if you are a regular drinker or if you do drugs? Why don't they ask if you have dangerous exotic pets such as a rattlesnake collection? Do they ask if you have a pool or a hot tub? More children are negatively affected by abusive households than firearms.
^This. Statistics should dictate what questions they ask **IF** they were really, truly concerned with the welfare & health of the baby & family. Because they don't, it can only mean they're being pressured by someone's agenda. Actions will always reveal motives...
Circuits
07-25-2013, 09:44
head down to Tijuana ... behind a taco stand
Mmmmm, tacos!
Snowman78
07-25-2013, 09:54
I have 3 kids and just took them all to there yearly check. My kids are 13, 10 and 3 they have all gone to the same MD for 10 years. She has never asked, but if she did she would ask the kids. I can't ask the kids to lie to a doctor so I hope the doctor never asks....
I have a newborn baby, I think it's a dumb question to ask parents. It's none of the doctors business if someone has guns in their house.
It's a government form, just another way of tracking. My mother in law just checks no to this, doesn't even ask. < I converted them well. :)
newracer
07-25-2013, 09:55
I am going to have to disagree with most gun owners on this. It is very much the doctors job and business to know about any potential risks to the baby or any other patient. If you want a doctor to "mind their own business" and not care about the child head down to Tijuana and get the baby delivered behind a taco stand for 15 bucks with a 20 dollar purchase.
Also I think the fact that people feel the need to lie to their doctor about something like gun ownership means either you are ashamed of your guns, or you don't trust your doctor. Either way it's time to make a change.
How is an inanimate object a potential risk to a 4 month old child?
newracer
07-25-2013, 09:58
Also the correct answer is "That is a boundary violation."
PugnacAutMortem
07-25-2013, 10:05
I was curious about this so I asked my wife if our pediatrician asked about guns. Much to my relief she doesn't (or hasn't asked yet at least...she's an old school lady who was actually my pediatrician when I was born, so she's been around the block). So I talked with my wife about if she ever does get that question to just say no. She was apprehensive about saying no, but she said she would do it because I asked her to. I guess she doesn't like the idea of not telling the truth on general prinicple, even if doing so means protecting our family. But at least she loves me and understands why I want her to say no.
And akumadiavolo, it is time to make a change. It's time to change people's notion that my business is anything but exactly that. I take my child to a doctor because that doctor has expertise in medical conditions. I don't take my child there to have them ask about how I'm raising my child. If my child doesn't have any medical conditions (i.e. a well child visit), then we will be in and out and on our way. If my child does have a medical condition, then I expect that expertise to be put to use to cure said condition and then we go on our way. It's none of their business what's in my house, what I do, say, think around my child.
So we had the 4 month wellness check and shots for our baby boy yesterday. One of the questions was do you have any guns in your home. I had talked to her about this and that the answer is in fact always a "No" because it isn't any of their damned business. She answers "Yes," but at least had the sense to say "Yes" to the follow-up question about them being secured etc.
I have never been so pissed off at this woman, ever. On the way home I start talking to her about why it was none of their business, and she goes off on this spiel about the social and physical wellness of a child and how firearms in the house impact social development...my blood boiled.
So I asked the question what about alcohol or drugs, why didn't they ask about that, or hell why not ask what cleaning agents we use too. She still has no clue why I am so angry about the issue, and largely just thinks I am being paranoid.
I am still so fucking mad about the whole thing today.
So any suggestions on how to help her understand? because at the moment I am distracted by how irritated I am at the situation
You have some un-brainwashing to do.
generalmeow
07-25-2013, 10:10
I am going to have to disagree with most gun owners on this. It is very much the doctors job and business to know about any potential risks to the baby or any other patient. If you want a doctor to "mind their own business" and not care about the child head down to Tijuana and get the baby delivered behind a taco stand for 15 bucks with a 20 dollar purchase.
Also I think the fact that people feel the need to lie to their doctor about something like gun ownership means either you are ashamed of your guns, or you don't trust your doctor. Either way it's time to make a change.
I started writing a nasty reply, and then I realized you're joking.
hunterhawk
07-25-2013, 10:28
Hey thanks for the heads up.. My son goes in for his 4 month check up tomorrow... My wife usually fills out the forms with me looking over her shoulder, well she can't make the appointment tomorrow so I will be answering the questions... Good stuff... And you're right wives don't understand on how much we do or think about to keep them and the rest of your family safe.. At least mine doesn't!
PugnacAutMortem
07-25-2013, 10:36
I started writing a nasty reply, and then I realized you're joking.
I am almost positive that he isn't.
sellersm
07-25-2013, 10:39
To the OP: as has been 'hinted at' already, new mothers can become very protective all of a sudden, so this may have been more of a 'knee jerk' reaction than anything else.
KevDen2005
07-25-2013, 10:45
Are you on the right forum ?
LOL!
By the way, I don't have any guns any more. Gave 'em all up. That way my wife could answer this question truthfully.
Kraven251
07-25-2013, 10:47
I appreciate all the responses. I am normally a pretty chill kinda guy, but that really rubbed me the wrong way. I am hopeful that those of you that have said it is a post partum thing are right and she understands that while I don't ask much, but when I ask it is for damn good reason.
generalmeow
07-25-2013, 10:52
I am almost positive that he isn't.
I started writing a nasty response to this, but realized that you too are joking.
KevDen2005
07-25-2013, 10:53
I appreciate all the responses. I am normally a pretty chill kinda guy, but that really rubbed me the wrong way. I am hopeful that those of you that have said it is a post partum thing are right and she understands that while I don't ask much, but when I ask it is for damn good reason.
Personally, I feel in recent years that people put too much faith in the medical profession and do things just because doctors say it's healthy or they need to know. I am certainly not discounting doctors. They do an amazing job and have a lot more education than I have. Plus they have saved my butt on a few occasions. But I think people refuse to think for themselves, they have to constantly be told what to do. My wife is pregnant and it seems like we are constantly at the doctor's office. We walk in, pay our co-pay, talk to the doc for 10 minutes about the pregnancy, hear the heart beat, and that's it.
Doctors pose this question to adults that have no children as well. Irrespective of whether it violates any statutes within the 'affordable care act' as I have previously read, it remains on many physicians list of questions they ask patients. I have not personally crossed that bridge yet, but my wife recently switched doctors and whether or not guns existed in our home was asked on the first visit.
I think a more fitting question for a doctor to ask: "Do you own forks? Are there uncovered power outlets in your home?" I think that is a much greater risk than a gun, locked in a safe, or secured on your hip. But yes, I'm in the group that thinks doctors on a need to know basis, and my ownership of guns, they don't need to know jack, jack!
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Does anyone know why they are asking this? I agree that this is none of their business unless you are being seen for a mental condition in which you are prone to hurt yourself or others. I am just curios why they would be asking. It's not like the gubment doesn't already know who the gun owners are and which ones are crazy enough to spend time on gun forums.
Bailey Guns
07-25-2013, 11:06
I am going to have to disagree with most gun owners on this. It is very much the doctors job and business to know about any potential risks to the baby or any other patient.
Fair enough. But it only follows that it's the doctor's job to have the facts...not made up leftist nonsense. If doctor's looked at the facts regarding firearms in the home instead of relying on information from "Brady" and other anti-gun sources who frequently categorize people up to 24 years of age as "children", they'd probably realize this was a useless question.
From John Lott and the FBI UCR (2010...latest data available):
The CDC reports (http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2013/05/what-is-risk-of-six-year-old-dying-from.html) that for 2010 (the latest year available), one single six-year old died from a gunshot. For all children younger than 10, there were 36 accidental gun deaths, and that is out of 41 million children. Perhaps most important, about two-thirds of these accidental gun deaths involving young children are not shots fired by other little kids but rather by adult males with criminal backgrounds. In other words, unless you send your child to play at a criminal’s home, she is exceedingly unlikely to get shot. SOURCE: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/348095/children-and-guns-fear-and-reality
If you want a doctor to "mind their own business" and not care about the child head down to Tijuana and get the baby delivered behind a taco stand for 15 bucks with a 20 dollar purchase.
This has nothing to do with doctors not caring for children. A doctor can provide any care necessary to a child without asking this question. Resorting to ridiculous "taco stand" comments shows you're attempting to base an argument on emotion rather than fact and logic. ZERO credibility here and it proves you haven't given this issue any serious thought.
Also I think the fact that people feel the need to lie to their doctor about something like gun ownership means either you are ashamed of your guns, or you don't trust your doctor. Either way it's time to make a change.
It has nothing to do with being ashamed of guns. It has to do with how guns are vilified by the left and by those that don't know any better in today's society. If a doctor approached the issue by saying, "Mr Jones, I'd like to ask a personal question. Do you have firearms in the home? If so, I just want to ensure you understand that under certain circumstances firearms might pose a risk to your child. I'd like to recommend, if you don't already know about certain safety and storage issues, that you get the necessary training and information regarding how to keep your child safe from firearms accidents. Firearms can also provide a great safety advantage for children as well, so learn proper safety procedures yourself and then make every effort to instruct your children and other family members on proper firearms safety. I'd also recommend you encourage your child's school to adopt the Eddie Eagle firearms safety program sponsored by the NRA. Also, I have the name of a good firearms instructor if you need it." That would take all of 15 seconds, it would cover the issue and the doctor would have provided a balanced, non-biased assessment of the pros/cons to firearms in the home and any risks to children.
But they rarely offer that sort of non-biased information. They ask the question because someone from the CDC or other leftist organization has told them to because guns are bad.
I've been seeing a doctor in Conifer that is very pro-gun, carries in the clinic (as do many other staff members) and says he approaches the issue in the manner I've described above. I have no problem with the question as long as it's asked in the proper context and good advice is given.
I don't want my doctor giving me bad advice on how I should live my life in terms of gun ownership any more than I want him giving me bad medical advice.
Does anyone know why they are asking this? I agree that this is none of their business unless you are being seen for a mental condition in which you are prone to hurt yourself or others. I am just curios why they would be asking. It's not like the gubment doesn't already know who the gun owners are and which ones are crazy enough to spend time on gun forums.
They have labeled "gun ownership" a public health risk. That way they can get more govt agencies (tax money) involved in gun control programs. They use some study tying gun ownership to a greater risk of injury and death in order to make it a "health" issue for them to solve (manipulate).
ETA: see post above - CDC "studies" - funded by the govt (tax dollars).
james_bond_007
07-25-2013, 11:10
...So any suggestions on how to help her understand? ...
You must be a newlywed or at least not married that long.
My opinion:
Mistake #1: Trying to reason or use logic with a woman.
Mistake #2: Trying to make a woman see YOUR point of view.
Mistake #3: Doing #1 and #2 with a woman that just had a baby.
If you figure out how to get a woman to see your point of view, write a book and become a Millionaire 100 times over.
We would ALL like to know how to do this ....
[Beer]
As for OP....send her to her room without dinner! (good luck with that)
And that means: she goes to the room, he gets no dinner...
;)
Sent via my Mobile Work Avoidance Device
kawiracer14
07-25-2013, 11:41
They're asking to make sure the guns are secured and that ammo is kept in a separate place. Of course you can just say no to this or say I prefer not to answer that questions. At all of the Peds and Family practice offices I have worked at the also asked if the water is at the right temperature in the hot water heater, if the outlets have covers on them once the kid is old enough to move around freely, if they wear a bicycle helmet, etc.
You don't have to answer any of the questions asked. It is recommended by the American Academy of Family Physicians to ask about guns along with all the other things mentioned. Today my doc asked me if I was sexually active - she is hot so I was hoping she was going to ask if I waned to be... but alas she was asking to see if I needed an STD check.
Docs are normal folks too, they have crazy family members and kids that tear shit up like the rest of us... some of them even *gasp* own guns... I have gone shooting with some before.
Bottom line, if you don't want to answer, say no or say I have no response. As far as yelling at the wife... not sure how to fix that one!
Great-Kazoo
07-25-2013, 11:50
So any suggestions on how to help her understand? because at the moment I am distracted by how irritated I am at the situation
Put her picture on a milk carton and leave it on the kitchen table.
On a serious side. ONCE she calms down, explain this is just one more way the .gov through the anti-gun medical profession is able to track gun ownership. It also enables the medical profession as they have in NY, to act without any facts for firearm confiscation. based solely on a physicians "opinion" you "May pose a potential threat" to someone, somewhere.
http://www.governor.ny.gov/nysafeact/mental-health-faq
Q: What does the new MHL 9.46 require be reported?
A: MHL 9.46 requires mental health professionals to report to their local director of community services (“DCS”) or his/her designees when, in their reasonable professional judgment, one of their patients is “likely to engage in conduct that would result in serious harm to self or others.”
Also keep in mind in NY a mental health professional is ANYONE in the medical field who "In their judgement deem a person who owns firearms to be a potential threat" Nurse, PA, receptionist, ANYONE! They also allow LAW ENFORCEMENT to act as well. SO this means without a trial, hearing or you being aboe to refute any "charges" the local LE can enter your home / establishment without a warrant or court order and seize any firearms on the premise .
Today my doc asked me if I was sexually active - she is hot so I was hoping she was going to ask if I waned to be... but alas she was asking to see if I needed an STD check.
Ask her to give you the gonnorhea/chlamydia test. Here is how my first went.
Doc - "Pull down your pants and sit on your hands"
Me - "Sit on my hands? Why?"
Doc - "I don't want you to hit me. This is gonna hurt."
Me - "Crap"
Doc - "This cotton swap goes down the hole"
Me - "Crap"
Doc - "Make sure you pee not long after this so you don't scab up too much inside"
Me - "Crap"
After the first time you get used to it, but I will tell you it doesn't tickle.
Don't they ask all thequestions that they do for statistics research? If they do, and we gun owners say we have weapons in the house and we have safe kids with no abuse and fewer health issues, wouldn't that show up in the data?
buckshotbarlow
07-25-2013, 12:57
I am going to have to disagree with most gun owners on this. It is very much the doctors job and business to know about any potential risks to the baby or any other patient. If you want a doctor to "mind their own business" and not care about the child head down to Tijuana and get the baby delivered behind a taco stand for 15 bucks with a 20 dollar purchase.
Also I think the fact that people feel the need to lie to their doctor about something like gun ownership means either you are ashamed of your guns, or you don't trust your doctor. Either way it's time to make a change.
And i assume your honest abe, and never lied on anything? This is complete BS, and Ocare is full of this crap. Invasion of privacy is something serious enough to ask the merits of the person asking the question under any circumstance. I support the OP, the wife needs to learn a lesson that she should not be blabbing her mouth about firearms in the house...the answer is always no.
kawiracer14
07-25-2013, 12:59
Ask her to give you the gonnorhea/chlamydia test. Here is how my first went.
Doc - "Pull down your pants and sit on your hands"
Me - "Sit on my hands? Why?"
Doc - "I don't want you to hit me. This is gonna hurt."
Me - "Crap"
Doc - "This cotton swap goes down the hole"
Me - "Crap"
Doc - "Make sure you pee not long after this so you don't scab up too much inside"
Me - "Crap"
After the first time you get used to it, but I will tell you it doesn't tickle.
The good ole days...
They do it with blood and pee tests now instead of the wonderful swab.
Going to hospital for my kid's check up way more often and average kids.
I nor my family member was asked that question.
I am going to have to disagree with most gun owners on this. It is very much the doctors job and business to know about any potential risks to the baby or any other patient. If you want a doctor to "mind their own business" and not care about the child head down to Tijuana and get the baby delivered behind a taco stand for 15 bucks with a 20 dollar purchase.
Also I think the fact that people feel the need to lie to their doctor about something like gun ownership means either you are ashamed of your guns, or you don't trust your doctor. Either way it's time to make a change.
Considering the government now has access to your medical records thru obamacare, this is just another attempt to create a list of gun owners.AND this is being done at the recommendation of the government. Something that should NEVER occur. I would suggest you re-examine your stance. :)
Ask her to give you the gonnorhea/chlamydia test. Here is how my first went.
Doc - "Pull down your pants and sit on your hands"
Me - "Sit on my hands? Why?"
Doc - "I don't want you to hit me. This is gonna hurt."
Me - "Crap"
Doc - "This cotton swap goes down the hole"
Me - "Crap"
Doc - "Make sure you pee not long after this so you don't scab up too much inside"
Me - "Crap"
After the first time you get used to it, but I will tell you it doesn't tickle.
In the Army we called that "getting rodded off the range." [ROFL1]
If my wife told me that guns in my home can affect the social development of our child I'd ask her how she thinks divorce is going to affect the social development of our child.
I appreciate all the responses. I am normally a pretty chill kinda guy, but that really rubbed me the wrong way. I am hopeful that those of you that have said it is a post partum thing are right and she understands that while I don't ask much, but when I ask it is for damn good reason.
I think you're right to be angry.
A man's job is to defend his family. If she wants to take on that role, then she can go around blabbing about your guns to anyone she'd like. Until then, she needs to respect your domain.
So since she's violated that line, why don't you find a pediatrician that doesn't play nice with the statist agenda. Mine is in Parker (quick drive on C/E470), he's never asked such a stupid question.
To the posters who think this is okay... A better question is "do you or any other family members have a swimming pool?" Because a child is more than six times as likely to drown than be killed by a firearm. Or 40x more likely to die in a car accident.
http://www.childdeathreview.org/nationalchildmortalitydata.htm
Fair enough. But it only follows that it's the doctor's job to have the facts...not made up leftist nonsense. If doctor's looked at the facts regarding firearms in the home instead of relying on information from "Brady" and other anti-gun sources who frequently categorize people up to 24 years of age as "children", they'd probably realize this was a useless question. From John Lott and the FBI UCR (2010...latest data available): This has nothing to do with doctors not caring for children. A doctor can provide any care necessary to a child without asking this question. Resorting to ridiculous "taco stand" comments shows you're attempting to base an argument on emotion rather than fact and logic. ZERO credibility here and it proves you haven't given this issue any serious thought. It has nothing to do with being ashamed of guns. It has to do with how guns are vilified by the left and by those that don't know any better in today's society. If a doctor approached the issue by saying, "Mr Jones, I'd like to ask a personal question. Do you have firearms in the home? If so, I just want to ensure you understand that under certain circumstances firearms might pose a risk to your child. I'd like to recommend, if you don't already know about certain safety and storage issues, that you get the necessary training and information regarding how to keep your child safe from firearms accidents. Firearms can also provide a great safety advantage for children as well, so learn proper safety procedures yourself and then make every effort to instruct your children and other family members on proper firearms safety. I'd also recommend you encourage your child's school to adopt the Eddie Eagle firearms safety program sponsored by the NRA. Also, I have the name of a good firearms instructor if you need it." That would take all of 15 seconds, it would cover the issue and the doctor would have provided a balanced, non-biased assessment of the pros/cons to firearms in the home and any risks to children. But they rarely offer that sort of non-biased information. They ask the question because someone from the CDC or other leftist organization has told them to because guns are bad. I've been seeing a doctor in Conifer that is very pro-gun, carries in the clinic (as do many other staff members) and says he approaches the issue in the manner I've described above. I have no problem with the question as long as it's asked in the proper context and good advice is given. I don't want my doctor giving me bad advice on how I should live my life in terms of gun ownership any more than I want him giving me bad medical advice. [word]
From 2005-2009 the CDC report 513 deaths (103/year) of children aged 1-4 from drowning in swimming pools. That is a smaller sample size (ages 1-4 vs 10 and under) yet almost 3 times more deaths per year. Here is the stats for just 2010. Tell your doctor to FO and mind his own business (health).
http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe?_service=v8prod&_server=app-v-ehip-wisq.cdc.gov&_port=5082&_sessionid=el91903AN52&_program=replay&_entry=SAVE.TMPCAT.detl.GIF
akumadiavolo
07-25-2013, 14:00
How is an inanimate object a potential risk to a 4 month old child?
You clearly have no kids. There are TONS of inanimate objects in the house that can hurt a child(remember, just like baby alligators, they don't stay that size forever). Ever hear of "child proofing"? It's something every new parent has to do that is targeted at inanimate objects.
I started writing a nasty reply, and then I realized you're joking.
I am not joking. I think many people are paranoid tin foil hat types.
Fair enough. But it only follows that it's the doctor's job to have the facts...not made up leftist nonsense. If doctor's looked at the facts regarding firearms in the home instead of relying on information from "Brady" and other anti-gun sources who frequently categorize people up to 24 years of age as "children", they'd probably realize this was a useless question.
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I don't want my doctor giving me bad advice on how I should live my life in terms of gun ownership any more than I want him giving me bad medical advice.
There is a lot there but I think you hit the nail on the head with the thought that it matters what they do with that info, not that they ask for it. I have only had 4 primary care doctors in my life. All 4 have asked if I have guns, then when I say yes they ask if they are properly secured. To which I answer "yes". That is it. I have never had it go further or heard from someone that I actually know of it going any further. These stories seem limited to the internet so far in my experience. Then if they go into some annoying spiel about it it is still not the fault of the question or the answer, it's how the person reacts to it. In that case the issue should still be with the persons reaction, not the questions itself.
And i assume your honest abe, and never lied on anything? This is complete BS, and Ocare is full of this crap. Invasion of privacy is something serious enough to ask the merits of the person asking the question under any circumstance. I support the OP, the wife needs to learn a lesson that she should not be blabbing her mouth about firearms in the house...the answer is always no.
Of course I have lied, everyone does. I try to restrict it to times when there is a real and valid reason too. Which this is not a situation that fits that description in my opinion.
Also when you go someplace that you don't have to go to, and ask someone else for their services that they are under no legal requirement to provide, "privacy" doesn't exist.
Considering the government now has access to your medical records thru obamacare, this is just another attempt to create a list of gun owners.AND this is being done at the recommendation of the government. Something that should NEVER occur. I would suggest you re-examine your stance. :)
The government has 1000 other more effective ways of collecting data on you. This is VERY low on my list of concerns about how the government collects data on us.
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From 2005-2009 the CDC report 513 deaths (103/year) of children aged 1-4 from drowning in swimming pools. That is a smaller sample size (ages 1-4 vs 10 and under) yet almost 3 times more deaths per year. Here is the stats for just 2010. Tell your doctor to FO and mind his own business (health).
Actually the swimming pool question should be standard for most child care doctors as well. At least any decent doctor would cover pools as well since they are one of the biggest risks to children.
sellersm
07-25-2013, 14:02
How many children have died from Dr's malpractice and/or Rx drugs?
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Chad4000
07-25-2013, 14:11
a more important question is, if we really didnt think the wives would see it, how many threads would have this same exact title.... ;)
ChadAmberg
07-25-2013, 14:19
It's a government form, just another way of tracking. My mother in law just checks no to this, doesn't even ask. < I converted them well. :)
Talking directly with my dr, no problem talking about the firearms. Putting it on a form, that goes to insurance, gov't, NSA, anti-gun orgs, etc., now that's something different.
Post Toastie
07-25-2013, 14:20
OK, please tell us why don't they ask if you are a regular drinker or if you do drugs?
These questions, along with the firearms question, were on the last info sheet at my doc's office. I left most of them blank...
Post Toastie
07-25-2013, 14:26
Talking directly with my dr, no problem talking about the firearms. Putting it on a form, that goes to insurance, gov't, NSA, anti-gun orgs, etc., now that's something different.
/\/\/\ This /\/\/\ Hell, my doc is a member of the same range that I am.
I am not joking. I think many people are paranoid tin foil hat types.
There are "tin foil hat types," and there are those who have a lot to learn.
... I have only had 4 primary care doctors in my life. All 4 have asked if I have guns, then when I say yes they ask if they are properly secured. To which I answer "yes"...
Not sure where you are from, or how old you are, but I have only been asked the question - on a form - within the last eight years or so at the Peterson AFB Clinic.
I always answer "No."
NONE OF THEIR DAMN BUSINESS.
generalmeow
07-25-2013, 15:18
I am not joking. I think many people are paranoid tin foil hat types.
The tin foil hat types you're speaking of thought the government was spying on all of us, every single second of the day. They are right, and are likely right about most of their worst suspicions about government. When's the last time the government told the truth about anything? Everything they do is 100% fucked up and they lie about the tiniest details of everything.
I acknowledge that there are real insane people who wear tin foil hats. But being suspicious all the time, for good reason, doesn't make you one of them.
It is insane to trust anyone that wants to stick their nose inside your home and tell you if what you're doing is right, especially now that doctors and government are merging into one operation. If you've got a gun, and you admit it to a doctor, you can be damn sure it's going in your medical record per Obamacare. A pro 2A doctor wouldn't ask.
There are "tin foil hat types," and there are those who have a lot to learn.
Not sure where you are from, or how old you are, but I have only been asked the question - on a form - within the last eight years or so at the Peterson AFB Clinic.
I always answer "No."
NONE OF THEIR DAMN BUSINESS.
I've never been asked. I am 35.
My wife's Dr has a "CCW Welcome" sign on his front door. There are guns magazines (the paper kind) right next to People and the parenting mags.
If any Dr ever asks, I doubt I would stay a patient.
Why don't doctors just have you submit an inventory of everything you have so they can decide what is too dangerous for you to own. After all, doctor knows best.
They should just ask if you have a doctor...
http://www.naturalnews.com/infographics/Infographic-Firearms-vs-Doctors-Drugs.jpg
They should just ask if you have a doctor...
Stop that, right now! You know better than to argue using facts! [LOL]
funkymonkey1111
07-25-2013, 16:19
The tin foil hat types you're speaking of thought the government was spying on all of us, every single second of the day. They are right, and are likely right about most of their worst suspicions about government. When's the last time the government told the truth about anything? Everything they do is 100% fucked up and they lie about the tiniest details of everything.
I acknowledge that there are real insane people who wear tin foil hats. But being suspicious all the time, for good reason, doesn't make you one of them.
It is insane to trust anyone that wants to stick their nose inside your home and tell you if what you're doing is right, especially now that doctors and government are merging into one operation. If you've got a gun, and you admit it to a doctor, you can be damn sure it's going in your medical record per Obamacare. A pro 2A doctor wouldn't ask.
And, once they know you've got the guns in the house, when you go to the Dr. and say you're feeling a little down, maybe the fuzz shows up on your door to collect those guns. Think it can't happen, or castigate folks as "tin foil hat types?" well, it happened in california, this year. And, since our legislature seems to be on the path to making us Calirado, maybe it's time to be careful what you wish for.
kawiracer14
07-25-2013, 16:41
They should just ask if you have a doctor...
http://www.naturalnews.com/infographics/Infographic-Firearms-vs-Doctors-Drugs.jpg
Natural News looks like a nice unbiased news source for Western Medicine...
Great-Kazoo
07-25-2013, 16:45
And, once they know you've got the guns in the house, when you go to the Dr. and say you're feeling a little down, maybe the fuzz shows up on your door to collect those guns. Think it can't happen, or castigate folks as "tin foil hat types?" well, it happened in california, this year. And, since our legislature seems to be on the path to making us Calirado, maybe it's time to be careful what you wish for.
Same in NY.
Colorado Osprey
07-25-2013, 18:51
You all need to know that the doctor is not the only one who asks if there is a gun in the house.
What ticks me off is these folks who ask your kids when you are not there!
Some school nurses ask during any visit to the nurse's office... when you are not present
Some dentists office's ask when they take you child back for a check-up... when you are not present
Train you kids right.... it is nobody's business and they are creating a database to know where they need to go to collect them... these records are not protected.
DavieD55
07-25-2013, 19:02
Never give them any information about your guns. Just a simple "no" to the question.
hurley842002
07-25-2013, 19:45
I pretty much have to be dying to go to the Dr. In nearly 8 years with my current employer, I had not used my insurance once until my son came. During all my wife's prenatal visits, and all of my sons checkups to date, and seeing a few different doctors, we have yet to be asked this question that I keep hearing about :dunno: in the event we are asked, I've made it VERY clear to my wife the answer is no!
funkymonkey1111
07-25-2013, 19:50
these records are not protected.
Nor can you count on them being secure. How many times do you see stories of doctor records ending up in the trash? Not common, but it does happen. Or, you're involved in a lawsuit and now lawyers and their staff have your records, and who knows what happens to them, then
SA Friday
07-25-2013, 21:30
They should just ask if you have a doctor...
http://www.naturalnews.com/infographics/Infographic-Firearms-vs-Doctors-Drugs.jpg
That's a mike-drop right there.
am I the only one here wondering what other questions were asked for this "wellness" exam?
OP not trying to blast you but you married her, probably a good idea to get her on the same page or take a good long look at your future with her, I'm not saying its over not at all but you both talked about the situation and you got blindsided so clearly your not on as on the same page as you thought. again was this the only question that bothered you? I doubt it, I bet there were others and your just blinded by this one you may have missed some others, the reason I ask is because I would have walked out and got a new Doctor, immediately picked up my child and walked out let the wife make her decision right there, its not about the one question to me its about someone sticking their nose into my business, piss off I will find a suitable Doctor for my family and I will use all of my future appointments to clarify OUR position with my wife. It's none of their damn business.
Also if you need a good Family Physician who is a gun guy let me know I have one in Castle Rock, been my Dr. for 15 years
So we had the 4 month wellness check and shots for our baby boy yesterday. One of the questions was do you have any guns in your home. I had talked to her about this and that the answer is in fact always a "No" because it isn't any of their damned business. She answers "Yes," but at least had the sense to say "Yes" to the follow-up question about them being secured etc.
I have never been so pissed off at this woman, ever. On the way home I start talking to her about why it was none of their business, and she goes off on this spiel about the social and physical wellness of a child and how firearms in the house impact social development...my blood boiled.
So I asked the question what about alcohol or drugs, why didn't they ask about that, or hell why not ask what cleaning agents we use too. She still has no clue why I am so angry about the issue, and largely just thinks I am being paranoid.
I am still so fucking mad about the whole thing today.
So any suggestions on how to help her understand? because at the moment I am distracted by how irritated I am at the situation
In my opinion, it appears there are two problems here, and they both have to do with communication.
Marriage is all about communication. It's not the end of the world that this has happened, and your irritation is justified. However, do remember that there are extenuating circumstances surrounding this incident. Instead of following what some posters are suggesting and treating her like a child, second class citizen or someone that should not go against what you have decreed, sit down and talk with her when you have calmed down. Don't go at her with an aggrived tone, and don't immediately put her on the defensive. Use diplomacy and remember this is your partner. Listen to what she says, and what her line of thinking is. Is she worried about safety? Show her that safety is also your concern and that you have taken steps to secure things. When you listen to what she says, listen. Consider. Then explain your point of view- and don't treat her like a child, or a moron. Women pick up on those things, and forgiveness and forgetfulness are a mile apart when the mothering instinct has kicked in. It's just a matter of communication, and it's entirely doable.
As far as the doctor is concerned, there's such a thing as too much communication. If this is your first child, she probably wants to make sure she is doing everything right and depends on the doctor to guide her. It may be that she didn't realize the doctor didn't create those questionnaires.
Whistler
07-26-2013, 01:38
Women do what women do (so do men), deal with it or find one that's a brand of crazy you can live with. You don't want them trying to change you, don't try to change them. As far as the questionnaire - "none of your damn business" next question.
Sorry Grey, I respect your perspective but your response was a bit too "Dr. Phil" for me.
dirtrulz
07-26-2013, 07:23
Having guns in the house is not a medical question, it has nothing to do with health and a doctor should have no reason to know about it. Drugs, alcohol, second hand smoke, chemicals, these are health related and I could see them asking about them. Next they will be wanting to see your driving record to be sure you are a safe driver. People give out their information way to easily these days.
funkymonkey1111
07-26-2013, 07:34
Having guns in the house is not a medical question, it has nothing to do with health and a doctor should have no reason to know about it. Drugs, alcohol, second hand smoke, chemicals, these are health related and I could see them asking about them. Next they will be wanting to see your driving record to be sure you are a safe driver. People give out their information way to easily these days.
oh, they most certainly ask if you wear your seatbelt. of course, they don't ask if you're driving a modern, "good" crash test rated car...yet.
Kraven251
07-26-2013, 07:36
So I actually went this route, prior to reading this post. I cooled down and asked some questions and started a conversation...end result and I quote, "I am getting tired of you always being so paranoid."
Reasons I am paranoid:
I don't sit with my back to windows or doors if at all possible
I am not a fan of On-Star
I think Benghazi was a bit to convenient
I don't buy things manufactured in China if I can help it.
She wasn't this way when we got married...I am fairly lost on all of this
In my opinion, it appears there are two problems here, and they both have to do with communication.
Marriage is all about communication. It's not the end of the world that this has happened, and your irritation is justified. However, do remember that there are extenuating circumstances surrounding this incident. Instead of following what some posters are suggesting and treating her like a child, second class citizen or someone that should not go against what you have decreed, sit down and talk with her when you have calmed down. Don't go at her with an aggrived tone, and don't immediately put her on the defensive. Use diplomacy and remember this is your partner. Listen to what she says, and what her line of thinking is. Is she worried about safety? Show her that safety is also your concern and that you have taken steps to secure things. When you listen to what she says, listen. Consider. Then explain your point of view- and don't treat her like a child, or a moron. Women pick up on those things, and forgiveness and forgetfulness are a mile apart when the mothering instinct has kicked in. It's just a matter of communication, and it's entirely doable.
As far as the doctor is concerned, there's such a thing as too much communication. If this is your first child, she probably wants to make sure she is doing everything right and depends on the doctor to guide her. It may be that she didn't realize the doctor didn't create those questionnaires.
buckeye4rnr
07-26-2013, 10:12
My dad is a doctor and I grew up with guns in the house...turned out just fine. He would tell another doctor to pound sand if he were asked this question now, it is none of their business.
electronman1729
07-26-2013, 10:20
Welcome to the party pal. My wife did the same thing.
tonantius
07-26-2013, 10:26
My wife would never have said no. She is the one that pushed us into purchasing firearms. However, i sold all of my firearms on June 30, 2013 to a guy in Springfield.
So I actually went this route, prior to reading this post. I cooled down and asked some questions and started a conversation...end result and I quote, "I am getting tired of you always being so paranoid."
Reasons I am paranoid:
I don't sit with my back to windows or doors if at all possible
I am not a fan of On-Star
I think Benghazi was a bit to convenient
I don't buy things manufactured in China if I can help it.
She wasn't this way when we got married...I am fairly lost on all of this
Paranoia is an irrational fear.
When the "President" and other politicians have openly stated they want to disarm us, resistance to any pitstop along the way isn't paranoia. When a person understands the historically proven consequences of citizen disarmament it becomes obvious why we should resist.
Your "paranoia" or concern only exists because you want a decent future for your family. Ask your wife how apathy leads to a better outcome. Does she want a husband who is apathetic about what is happening in our world or someone who cares and responds accordingly. And if you care, how could you not be concerned.
My wife recently got a wake up call on healthcare. I explained to her, this is why I am angry. We work damn hard to provide and now cost issues are putting some care of reach that impacts her--and we have decent income. She gets it now.
The wake up calls come sooner or later... Just a matter of if it's too late.
Women do what women do (so do men), deal with it or find one that's a brand of crazy you can live with. You don't want them trying to change you, don't try to change them. As far as the questionnaire - "none of your damn business" next question.
Sorry Grey, I respect your perspective but your response was a bit too "Dr. Phil" for me.
"Dr. Phil"? Why, because I suggested that the OP tallk with her instead of at her? Or because I suggested that he listen to her concerns before he listed his concerns?
So I actually went this route, prior to reading this post. I cooled down and asked some questions and started a conversation...end result and I quote, "I am getting tired of you always being so paranoid."
Reasons I am paranoid:
I don't sit with my back to windows or doors if at all possible
I am not a fan of On-Star
I think Benghazi was a bit to convenient
I don't buy things manufactured in China if I can help it.
She wasn't this way when we got married...I am fairly lost on all of this
Damn. Then things have shifted in the marriage. Maybe it's been a subtle thing, over time, and it's not been immediately apparent.
Either way, it sounds like it's time to have a talk with each other, and find out where you are both at. This is important because you love each other and have a child; you are a family unit. It's important to get rid of those labels and understand where you both are coming from.
By 'labels' I mean: paranoid, liberal, etc.
It may be that you two will never be on the exact same page, but if I were you, I would sit down with her in a neutral area (Denny's, or some other place that you are both comfortable but not a place where either of you wil make a scene or storm off) and just have a conversation about where you both are at. You both have your family's best interests at heart, and you both know that you will each have your own paths on how to achieve those goals. Work with each other, not against. It is possible to be a strong team, if you both keep those lines of communication open.
If you do this, make sure there are no accusations, no recriminations, no 'good guy/bad guy' that will stand in the way of your talk.
Sometimes women don't understand where a man is coming from in his thought processes. It helps to explain how you've reached a conclusion (without a smartass or judgmental tone) and why.
Women are often socialized early on to be agreeable, and to give in to authority figures. We are also highly intuitive, and don't always explain "I decided a because of b, c and e."
Honestly, I don't know either you or your wife, so I have no idea if any of this applies. But I do believe communicaton is incredibly important in a marriage.
I hope it helps. I really do.
Whistler
07-26-2013, 13:18
"Dr. Phil"? Why, because I suggested that the OP tallk with her instead of at her? Or because I suggested that he listen to her concerns before he listed his concerns?
It was actually intended to be humorous, a gibe at the tone, wordiness and implied assumptions regarding his mode of communication reminiscent of a Dr. Phil sermon.
It was actually intended to be humorous, a gibe at the tone, wordiness and implied assumptions regarding his mode of communication reminiscent of a Dr. Phil sermon.
But...but I made sure to take out all the "mmmmKay"s! :)
I'm sorry. My response to you turned out to be sharper-sounding than it was supposed to be. I transferred my annoyance onto you, when I really need to be sharpening my knives for a discussion I will be having with someone this evening. I didn't mean to kick the cat.
I wouldn't, personally, lie about the whole issue to my doctor- I would just simply refuse to answer that question. Not admitting I do, not admitting I don't, I just flat out won't answer. Kraven, as to your issue with your wife, in the words of Albert Gibson (from True Lies): "Women, can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em." [LOL]
Kraven251
07-26-2013, 13:39
The thing I didn't mention is she for the longest time was far more "right" than I ever was and she has a masters degree in social work. So many of the approaches I take to talking to her she just shifts mentality to a more clinical approach and it becomes difficult to talk things through at that point.
I'll figure something out, or I'll just shut up for awhile and wait until she figures it out.
Whistler
07-26-2013, 15:48
But...but I made sure to take out all the "mmmmKay"s! :)
I'm sorry. My response to you turned out to be sharper-sounding than it was supposed to be. I transferred my annoyance onto you, when I really need to be sharpening my knives for a discussion I will be having with someone this evening. I didn't mean to kick the cat.
No worries I'm not sensitive. I know because my wife reminds me frequently or maybe that's insensitive... something like that. [dig]
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