5280 Article on Dudley Brown and RMGO

[kawiracer14]

http://www.5280.com/magazine/2013/08/Dudley-browns-war?page=0,0


He’s also a primary, if almost unrecognized, reason why Democrats, in a little less than a decade, have turned this once-red state a deepening shade of blue. While Colorado has changed, Brown—Colorado politicos know him as just plain “Dudley”—has not. Nor does he intend to. The RMGO’s demand of “no compromises” on gun rights is an indirect shot at the National Rifle Association, which Brown sees as too willing to cut gun control deals. (The disdain is mutual; the NRA once called Brown the “Al Sharpton of the gun movement,” too extreme for America’s most notorious firearm lobby.)

[kawiracer14]

Brown pauses when I ask him what kind of salary he earns. “$70,000,” he eventually says, seemingly uncertain. Others familiar with his organizations say they think it’s closer to $300,000 a year, possibly more. Republicans who take issue with Brown say they believe money, more than any political issue, is what truly motivates him. A decade ago, when Brown was attacking Governor Owens over the gun show loophole legislation, Owens’ ally Sean Tonner fought back. He found out about the controlled substance and assault charges and decided to inform NAGR’s membership about Brown’s past. “We’d gotten postcards from people on his mailing list, so I mailed them back directly with a backgrounder on who Dudley was,” Tonner says. “That’s how you hurt him: Hit his pocketbook.”

[davsel]

Good article. Long, but gives an accurate idea of who Dudley really is.

[275RLTW]

Sticky??


“All Dudley wanted to do was create controversy. He makes his money when there’s turmoil, real or perceived, because that’s what gets his members to write him checks.”

[Dave]

I'm sure that this was written by Eli Stokols isn't helping paint a good picture either.

[MarkCO]

Eli has been working on this story for a long time. Kudos Eli! Maybe some of the nitwits who give money to Dudley will see it and wise up.

[RCCrawler]

portrays himself as a supposed ‘Christian,’ but he uses the people naive enough to believe him and financially support him.

Not that I like Dudley or anything, but this line cracked me up. Isn't that how Christianity works, by using people naive enough to believe them and financially support them?

[sellersm]

Wonder where that BCMEAG user is that was supporting RMGO in the other thread?

[HBARleatherneck]

Sticky??


“All Dudley wanted to do was create controversy. He makes his money when there’s turmoil, real or perceived, because that’s what gets his members to write him checks.”

i knew he made alot more money than he makes believe. and i allways said he sells fear. he sells fear to the masses.

[Jesus-With-A-.45]

Sounds like you guys hate RMGO more than you hate the Democraps.........I guess that's a feeling I don't & never will understand, maybe I'm just not as "in the know" as everyone else here about Browns sins.

[Jesus-With-A-.45]

i knew he made alot more money than he makes believe. and i allways said he sells fear. he sells fear to the masses.

Fear is all that Democrats sell, seems to work for them.

[BCMEAG]

Wonder where that BCMEAG user is that was supporting RMGO in the other thread?


I am at work, thanks for caring. I'll consider some stuff in the article, although it appears pretty one sided.

I still think it's good to support a state gun group. At this time, it appears RMGO is all we have.

[RMGOdirector]

There are a lot of errors and inaccuracies in the article, for certain.

The most glaring problem is the lack of details on how many Republicans lost their seat in the general because I/RMGO PAC pushed a candidate who was "too conservative", and how many won their seats. They list two state leg races, I think. I'll live with that record, as it's 8 to 1.

But to any naysayers -- I know I have some on this list, that's for sure, but I have the guts to face it -- I say this: show me which State Legislative races (SPECIFICALLY) we've lost. Be sure you know it was RMGO.

Lang Sias (that race was quoted in the 5280 story) is simple: he wouldn't tell us how he would vote on a whole raft of gun issues. I'll be happy to post RMGO's candidate survey, and you can see if you think these are fair questions to ask a candidate for office.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

There are a lot of errors and inaccuracies in the article, for certain.

The most glaring problem is the lack of details on how many Republicans lost their seat in the general because I/RMGO PAC pushed a candidate who was "too conservative", and how many won their seats. They list two state leg races, I think. I'll live with that record, as it's 8 to 1.

But to any naysayers -- I know I have some on this list, that's for sure, but I have the guts to face it -- I say this: show me which State Legislative races (SPECIFICALLY) we've lost. Be sure you know it was RMGO.

Lang Sias (that race was quoted in the 5280 story) is simple: he wouldn't tell us how he would vote on a whole raft of gun issues. I'll be happy to post RMGO's candidate survey, and you can see if you think these are fair questions to ask a candidate for office.

I like how you were able to rattle off those inaccurate statements. That shows you really care.

You failed to mention the salary portion of the article. Which leads me to believe the article is true.

You make somewhere between $70,000 and $300,000+.

Or did you just not get to that part yet?

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

[275RLTW]

I like how you were able to rattle off those inaccurate statements. That shows you really care.

You failed to mention the salary portion of the article. Which leads me to believe the article is true.

You make somewhere between $70,000 and $300,000+.

Or did you just not get to that part yet?

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.


Shhhhh...He was hoping no one would notice that!

[davsel]

Or the shady photo tactics used to smear candidates you disagree with.

[Monky]

So... I'd like to point out who you supported.. and which ones lost.. but I can't seem to find any information about candidates on the site.. but I think I found 20 different ways to donate.

I mean the fund raising is already started, so I"m sure you're getting asked for support.

[Monky]

Shhhhh...He was hoping no one would notice that!

Over there... look.. ALIENS!

[RMGOdirector]

Public record: RMGO paid me $41.4k last year, while NAGR paid me $74.4k (including healthcare benefits). This was for organizations who brought in $199,800 and $7.1 million (respectively). So I made $115,800 last year from both organizations, or 1.6% of the total budgets of both groups.

If I took the same ratios (top exec vs. total income of organization) as the Independence Institute's top execs (who are paid $142k or 7.2% of II’s total income and $101k, or 5.1% of total), my pay would be more than $350k-500k year, based on 2012 numbers. That's not accounting experience (I've been working in politics for 24 years).

And those are recent numbers. NAGR didn't pay me for the first two years. RMGO paid me a stipend for the early years. If I calculated the first 10 years work for RMGO, I would have been better off working at McDonalds.

Don't expect all of this to change how the naysayers feel, either. You'll find something wrong with anything I say.

[davsel]

Public record: RMGO paid me $41.4k last year, while NAGR paid me $74.4k (including healthcare benefits). This was for organizations who brought in $199,800 and $7.1 million (respectively). So I made $115,800 last year from both organizations, or 1.6% of the total budgets of both groups.

If I took the same ratios (top exec vs. total income of organization) as the Independence Institute's top execs (who are paid $142k or 7.2% of II’s total income and $101k, or 5.1% of total), my pay would be more than $350k-500k year, based on 2012 numbers. That's not accounting experience (I've been working in politics for 24 years).

And those are recent numbers. NAGR didn't pay me for the first two years. RMGO paid me a stipend for the early years. If I calculated the first 10 years work for RMGO, I would have been better off working at McDonalds.

Don't expect all of this to change how the naysayers feel, either. You'll find something wrong with anything I say.

Public record: You claim to work 117 hours per week. Please explain.

[RMGOdirector]

I will challenge you all with this: I'll schedule a time for a conference call, and answer any question you have that's within bounds (i.e. I won't answer questions like what mutual funds I own, or things not related to my job).

But you'll have to use your real name on the call.

[RMGOdirector]

Public record: You claim to work 117 hours per week. Please explain.

The form is an estimate, and much of the time it's impossible to tell which organization I'm working for, since they have overlapping interests.

But, my phone does not stop ringing at 5:30pm. And I don't get weekends off.

[275RLTW]

I will challenge you all with this: I'll schedule a time for a conference call, and answer any question you have that's within bounds (i.e. I won't answer questions like what mutual funds I own, or things not related to my job).

But you'll have to use your real name on the call.

Nah...Your actions speak VOLUMES more that you could ever say. As I said before, the biggest hindrance to NAGR and RMGO is YOU!

-Scott

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I will challenge you all with this: I'll schedule a time for a conference call, and answer any question you have that's within bounds (i.e. I won't answer questions like what mutual funds I own, or things not related to my job).

But you'll have to use your real name on the call.

No conference calls. Why don't we sit down on camera and talk?

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

[O2HeN2]

"...America’s most notorious firearm lobby." [NRA]

Nope, no slant there...

O2

[RMGOdirector]

And NOW you can see why I said there's no way to keep some of you happy.

The offer to talk on the phone to anyone who actually wants to hear the answers to questions remains open. Or in person.

[RMGOdirector]

the biggest hindrance to NAGR and RMGO is YOU!

Funny, that's exactly opposite of what my board members tell me.

[HBARleatherneck]

and they are what? handpicked by you? to include what? your friends and relatives?

[davsel]

I will challenge you all with this: I'll schedule a time for a conference call, and answer any question you have that's within bounds (i.e. I won't answer questions like what mutual funds I own, or things not related to my job).

But you'll have to use your real name on the call.

Please explain why you want my real name before answering questions?

After reading about the scum-bag Alinsky tactics you use to smear those who disagree with you, I'd sooner give my name to Eric Holder.

Nice try.

[davsel]

The form is an estimate, and much of the time it's impossible to tell which organization I'm working for, since they have overlapping interests.

But, my phone does not stop ringing at 5:30pm. And I don't get weekends off.

So you estimate that you only have 7.2 hours off of work each day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year? Sounds like a tough job.
ETA: How do you find time to troll this, and other, forums? Or are you charging that to "work" and using donations to pay for it?

So if I give a donation to RMGO, but not NAGR, there's no way of knowing if my money is going to pay your RMGO salary or your NAGR salary - since they overlap and all?

With this scheme, could you not start up a Gun Owners group in each state, consider the workload overlaps, and charge a separate salary from each organization for the same hours worked? Sounds like an awesome business model. Nothing shady here

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Mr. Brown,

My offer is this.... I'll gather questions from the people of this forum. I'll sit down with you, on camera, and give you every opportunity to answer the questions I recieve from the people of the forum. I'll be nothing more than a paper reader.

Hell, I'll even give you my real name. First, middle, and last.

How does that sound?

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

[MarkCO]

JM rocks! The follow up with the fact checking will be the kicker, so you will have to get him agree to provide any requested documentation.

[jerrymrc]

That is ENOUGH.

Since I closed the last one some feel that it is ok to just open another one. I am not on one side or the other but we have rules about personal attacks. Let the hammer fall.