View Full Version : 2013 Ballot Proposal- Increase State Income Taxes
"Raising taxes can lead us to prosperity"- No one, ever!
State Senator Mike Johnson (D) seems to think otherwise, and more of that shady liberal tactic that "it's for the children!" The proposal to go to the CO voters this year would raise the state income tax from 4.6% to 5.3% for income under $75,000, and income over that number would garner 5.9% state income tax (source (http://www.cosfp.org/HomeFiles/Legislature/2013/Description%20Proposed%20Changes%20to%20CO%20Incom e%20Tax%20System.pdf)). But why? To fund education. Of course they use these asinine figures like "It'll raise $950 million for public schools," that they really can't prove, because once the increase goes into effect, how will they know how many tax payers will still be willing to be here after the rent goes up? They don't, but they use these numbers to try and drum up support. It's ridiculous. Of course, states like WA, WY, TX, TN and others (9 total) don't have a state income tax, and they're doing just fine. In fact, TX alone has made up a large portion of the national job growth recently.
Of course it's not about spending the money more wisely, it's about getting more money to continue to spend like an idiot with a no-limit credit card! Why do schools need an additional $950M? I went to school over 10 years ago and everything seemed fine with the money being spent. So vote NO! on Initiative 22 this November... it's most certainly not going to help the children if it hurts everyone else. Raising taxes has never bolstered or improved economic growth... that's a fact. [rant-off]
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_23536915/ballot-will-have-two-tiered-tax-increase-fund
Bailey Guns
07-30-2013, 11:00
This is my shocked face.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srw3RdiIlrQ
Zundfolge
07-30-2013, 11:10
The "Californication" of the once great state of Colorado continues.
RblDiver
07-30-2013, 11:14
What, didn't you know that more money = better schools? They told us it's so, so it must be so!
I would support a 1% increase to income taxes if it were to be used for highway infrastructure spending. The highways here are terrible compared to most of the country and they need to do something about it.
As far as education goes I am already giving this state over $5K a year in property tax that's supposed to fund education. If my $5K is not enough for them they can F themselves.
This state is now controlled by the Dems so despite how I feel you should expect to see taxes continue to rise here. Income tax is now 11% in California, every tax that gets put on the ballot is almost always overwhelmingly improved in California. During our last election here every single tax that was out on the ballot was approved and I knew that was the Dems ways of testing the waters. They tested the waters and they know they will likely see any additional taxes approved by voters especially when they say its for the children.
I hope the Dems realize that they are going to kill the economy in this state. Colorado was a very attractive state for businesses leaving California. Low taxes, mild weather and lots of recreational activities made Colorado very appealing. Democrats are now in control and raising taxes, businesses watch these things very closely before relocating and will now choose somewhere else to relocate.
kidicarus13
07-30-2013, 11:22
I predict the legalization of prostitution and other illegal drugs to help meet the state's expected future expenditures. Watch for it.
newracer
07-30-2013, 11:30
I thought the legalization of MJ was going to give the schools all the money they needed?
I would support a 1% increase to income taxes if it were to be used for highway infrastructure spending. The highways here are terrible compared to most of the country and they need to do something about it.
As far as education goes I am already giving this state over $5K a year in property tax that's supposed to fund education. If my $5K is not enough for them they can F themselves.
This state is now controlled by the Dems so despite how I feel you should expect to see taxes continue to rise here. Income tax is now 11% in California, every tax that gets put on the ballot is almost always overwhelmingly improved in California. During our last election here every single tax that was out on the ballot was approved and I knew that was the Dems ways of testing the waters. They tested the waters and they know they will likely see any additional taxes approved by voters especially when they say its for the children.
I hope the Dems realize that they are going to kill the economy in this state. Colorado was a very attractive state for businesses leaving California. Low taxes, mild weather and lots of recreational activities made Colorado very appealing. Democrats are now in control and raising taxes, businesses watch these things very closely before relocating and will now choose somewhere else to relocate.
Exactly... except what does my R&B "tax" on my vehicle registration (and everyone else's) do? Yes, you hit the nail on the head with the property tax, the problem is, they don't spend the money wisely, and thus they need to keep asking for more. I agree on the roads- for instance- CDOT finally, after 4 years, got around to repaving a section of CO-74 this week... it's been needed for at least the last 4 years. That's just ONE 1/4 mile section or so of road among how many hundreds of thousands of miles of failing roads in this state. The problem is, I wouldn't trust an average democrat with any amount of money, even if it was to rub to pennies together- they'd most certainly either give them away, throw them away, or mysteriously "lose" them. [facepalm]
RblDiver
07-30-2013, 14:56
Exactly... except what does my R&B "tax" on my vehicle registration (and everyone else's) do? Yes, you hit the nail on the head with the property tax, the problem is, they don't spend the money wisely, and thus they need to keep asking for more. I agree on the roads- for instance- CDOT finally, after 4 years, got around to repaving a section of CO-74 this week... it's been needed for at least the last 4 years. That's just ONE 1/4 mile section or so of road among how many hundreds of thousands of miles of failing roads in this state. The problem is, I wouldn't trust an average democrat with any amount of money, even if it was to rub to pennies together- they'd most certainly either give them away, throw them away, or mysteriously "lose" them. [facepalm]
I think the head of CDOT is a political appointee.
My dad works for them as a project engineer up here in northern CO. Sadly, some of the higher-ups don't make good decisions. Over my dad's objections, a contractor convinced his boss to use a lime-treated subgrade instead of (whatever the standard "good" stuff is) in order to save themselves a few bucks...and of course it doesn't hold up as well so the road's getting bumpy ahead of its time.
Still at least there are some good people at CDOT (like my dad) who care about getting the job done right. If only we had more like them! (Well, except that I think while he tends fiscally conservative, he's more socially liberal, so get more with his work ethic but not his social ideas lol)
I think the head of CDOT is a political appointee.
My dad works for them as a project engineer up here in northern CO. Sadly, some of the higher-ups don't make good decisions. Over my dad's objections, a contractor convinced his boss to use a lime-treated subgrade instead of (whatever the standard "good" stuff is) in order to save themselves a few bucks...and of course it doesn't hold up as well so the road's getting bumpy ahead of its time.
Still at least there are some good people at CDOT (like my dad) who care about getting the job done right. If only we had more like them! (Well, except that I think while he tends fiscally conservative, he's more socially liberal, so get more with his work ethic but not his social ideas lol)
I worked with Jeffco and CDOT paving crews when I was in high school and working for the local metro district- good guys for the most part, but chalk their shortcomings to usually bad leadership, and I'm not talking the direct project managers and supervisors, no, the desk jockeys that are higher up and so far removed from the working guys.
I would support a 1% increase to income taxes if it were to be used for highway infrastructure spending. The highways here are terrible compared to most of the country and they need to do something about it.
Not only NO, but hell fucking NO never in a lifetime fuck no.
I paid $820 for my 2012 silverado last year for registrations fees and taxes. I bought a 2013 this year and will be payi that this week.
Gas tax is outrageous.
There is even a fee to pay for e-470 on every Colorado registration.
We get big money from the Feds for roads, the state gets big money for the roads. They are just using it for other things.
just think if they dumped the money into the roads that they sent out as foreign aid last year alone at the federal level....
I *might* be ok with the taxes for the schools if there was a way to make sure it doesn't end up in the pockets of the teachers union. As they cannot guarentee that I would be against this. If they push this we need to push that 90% goes into the school voucher system so the kids can go to private schools and get a decent education.
We need good roads and we need good schools. Right now we are not getting either of them.
I *might* be ok with the taxes for the schools if there was a way to make sure it doesn't end up in the pockets of the teachers union. As they cannot guarentee that I would be against this. If they push this we need to push that 90% goes into the school voucher system so the kids can go to private schools and get a decent education.
We need good roads and we need good schools. Right now we are not getting either of them.
Either way- budgeting for government entities is a big mess. Schools are among the worst. They don't spend all of the money allocated to them in the budget then they fear the next year they won't get as much, so they spend the money on stupid things and never give the excess back. Saw it first hand in the Army, and see it all the time with our local government groups (fire and water- as I have family connections with both). Let's say a school district gets $600,000 for the FY 2014 (it's usually more, but for example sake humor me), they spend $300K on new books and supplies, $100K on upgrades for 2 of their schools, and $150K to replace some of their bus fleet that are failing. Now they have $50,000 left over and no where to spend it, and they don't want to risk FY 2015 budget being reduced to $550,000 or less, so they have to spend the remainder before the annual audit, so they blow it on some useless BS, like needlessly upgrade the furniture in every school's teacher's lounge or something. There is an awful lot of waste in government budgeting, and the entire system is geared toward use it or lose it wasteful spending. I say no more tax increases until government can prove they are spending our money wisely and efficiently.
There's enough taxes to go around and then some. Figure it out, schools. Every other private company in the world has to.
There's enough taxes to go around and then some. Figure it out, schools. Every other private company in the world has to.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Companies run at a deficit they go under. Government runs at a deficit they print more money...???
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Companies run at a deficit they go under. Government runs at a deficit they print more money...???
That is the problem right there.
The government does not have to be fiscally responsible because they can print more money. Take that away and the whole house of cards will fall.
spqrzilla
07-30-2013, 18:11
Education has plenty of money. It does not need more. It needs to radically improve the way that it spends the money it already has. Screw 'em.
Excuse me, but didn't we vote in the lotto and limited stakes gambling to help fund parks and schools?
But yea, this is my shocked face too.
It's the Dems M.O.; tax and spend baby, right into the shitter.
theGinsue
07-30-2013, 20:21
Excuse me, but didn't we vote in the lotto and limited stakes gambling to help fund parks and schools?
But yea, this is my shocked face too.
It's the Dems M.O.; tax and spend baby, right into the shitter.
Sure, like they did in MO years ago. In MO, the ballot measure estimated the lottery & "riverboat" gambling would bring on $500 million a year & it was all required to go to schools. Sure, it actually does go to the education system but... Problem is that once this revenue was coming in for the schools, all of the personal property tax and other revenue that had been going to fund education was redirected to everything BUT education. In the end, MO's education system lost revenue. Couple that with a bad economy and people have less discretionary money to gamble with which means even less money going to schools. Of course, these days so few education dollars ever make it to the schools themselves because the state (all states) & districts bloat themselves with far to many administrators so the overhead is staggering. Once it starts working down to the school level, the teachers unions eat up another huge chunk of it. By the time it trickles down to the student level, there's only a few cents of each dollar left for books, supplies, teachers salaries, and the funds to keep the builidng operating.
The state wants more of MY hard earned income? How about they start showing me they can/will use all of the money they're already receiving in a responsible manner - then we can have a discussion.
Intiative 22: F' that!
I say no more tax increases until government can prove they are spending our money wisely and efficiently.
As if that would ever happen...but I would whole hartedly agree with that. :)
kidicarus13
07-30-2013, 21:50
Gaming $$$ goes to community colleges.
Aloha_Shooter
07-30-2013, 22:08
I would support a 1% increase to income taxes if it were to be used for highway infrastructure spending. The highways here are terrible compared to most of the country and they need to do something about it.
I wouldn't support it. I'd support a 1% haircut trim to all state government spending and direct that trim toward the highway work. The state government already spends way too much on crap they shouldn't; there is NO need to increase taxes whatsoever.
Of course, these days so few education dollars ever make it to the schools themselves because the state (all states) & districts bloat themselves with far to many administrators so the overhead is staggering.
The state wants more of MY hard earned income? How about they start showing me they can/will use all of the money they're already receiving in a responsible manner - then we can have a discussion.
Intiative 22: F' that!
I'm wondering, how much do the "administrators" in CO make? And how many of them are there? Probably too many. And they probably make too much currently. But of course, like congress, they're probably in charge of how much their salaries are. Scrap it all, start over would be ideal, but since it's not, we need to get more fiscally responsible folks in charge of things like education and commerce.
Cheer Creek Schools administrator salaries. http://www.cherrycreekschools.org/HumanResources/Employees/Documents/Salary%20Schedules/Admin%20Salary%20Schedule.pdf
Link to their other salary tables. http://www.cherrycreekschools.org/HumanResources/Employees/Pages/SalaryInformation.aspx
I would support a 1% increase to income taxes if it were to be used for highway infrastructure spending. The highways here are terrible compared to most of the country and they need to do something about it.
You obviously haven't registered a car, truck or trailer recently, have you? This 'road & bridge' fee is absurd. $45 to register the smallest home built 2-wheel trailer you can imagine that was once $12 (a 4x increase). Older vehicles have also experienced increases 4x what they were. $800+ for plates on a new $28k car that weighs about 3,000lbs. $500 to register a Tacoma that's several years old. I've decided we're done buying new cars and vehicles due to these registration costs. Sorry to anyone who relies on the new & used car industry in Colorado (read: LOTS of people) but your government has hosed you.
Other states manage with NO income tax and yet ours keeps raising? Dafuq? I agree to NO more taxes and they don't deserve any more money until they can demonstrate fiscal discipline with the enormous amount of stolen money they currently take.
give em more they'll still be back in 2 years asking again.
give em more they'll still be back in 2 years asking again.
Exactly. The amount of our money that is pissed away daily by our local and federal govt is incomprehensible by the average citizen. Giving them more money just allows them to get into more trouble & ask for more next time.
give em more they'll still be back in 2 years asking again.
Exactly. The amount of our money that is pissed away daily by our local and federal govt is incomprehensible by the average citizen. Giving them more money just allows them to get into more trouble & ask for more next time.
If you give a mouse a cookie...
When they come say "We need more money", we should just say "Don't we all". Maybe I can get a "Dave_L needs more funding" proposal put on the ballot.
When they come say "We need more money", we should just say "Don't we all". Maybe I can get a "Dave_L needs more funding" proposal put on the ballot.
It'd probably actually go to better use than this tax increase proposal. [Beer]
NO. Spending more $$$$ does not equate to better education.
Mike
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