Colorado Recalls.. We all get to vote!!

[def90]

As long as you live in Colorado based on the newly enacted Same Day Voter Registration Laws all you have to do is show up at the polling place and tell them that you intend to move to the district that you want to vote in..

http://thecoloradoobserver.com/2013/...call-contests/ (http://thecoloradoobserver.com/2013/07/same-day-registration-law-raises-prospect-of-gypsy-voters-in-recall-contests/)

Election Law Changes Raise Prospect of “Gypsy Voters” Influencing Recall Contests.

DENVER—Let’s say you live in Boulder, but you really want to vote in the Sept. 10 recall election of Senate President John Morse in Colorado Springs.

Impossible? Under Colorado’s new election law, maybe not. Just show up at a Voter Service and Polling Center in Colorado Springs on or before Election Day, and tell the staffers that you intend to move to Morse’s Senate District 11.

As long as you’ve lived somewhere in Colorado for the past 22 days—even if you don’t actually live in the district—there’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to cast a ballot, said Douglas County Clerk and Recorder Jack Arrowsmith.

Under the newly passed Voter Access and Modernized Elections Act, “the only residency requirement for voters is that they have to live anywhere in Colorado for the last 22 days,” said Arrowsmith, now serving his seventh year as county clerk. “It poses some interesting questions.”

What’s more, even if you never move to Senate District 11, you haven’t actually committed a crime under the new law, as long as you vote only once per election, he said.

[RblDiver]

"I intend to move to CO Springs."
*later* "You don't live there!"
"I changed my mind, but my vote counts!"

Also, in regard to the "voting once," is that once per contest, so could I intend to move to both recall districts? :P

[TheGrey]

Whoa. How'd they miss that loophole?

Or was it a loophole that was meant for one side to exploit, and not the other side?

[Mazin]

So who's driving the bus?


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[asmo]

I'll pay for a bus to go from DTC to Morse's district if we can fill it with people who want to vote him out.

[battle_sight_zero]

Whoa. How'd they miss that loophole?

Or was it a loophole that was meant for one side to exploit, and not the other side?

The progressives knew exactly what they were doing, and thats why Morse and Giron are not sweating as much as they should. Any loophole will be exploited. The DEMONcrats have them themselves set up quite well in Colo yes indeed.

[sellersm]

Wow... Who'd have thunk that 'they' would have planned all this? This is my shocked face.

[Bailey Guns]

You can bet the other side will attempt to exploit this far more than will our side. This is very good news for Giron and Morse and you can bet the dems won't be keeping it a secret.

[hurley842002]

This....


The progressives knew exactly what they were doing, and thats why Morse and Giron are not sweating as much as they should. Any loophole will be exploited. The DEMONcrats have them themselves set up quite well in Colo yes indeed.

And this...


You can bet the other side will attempt to exploit this far more than will our side. This is very good news for Giron and Morse and you can bet the dems won't be keeping it a secret.

Not good for us.

[Sparky]

I'll pay for a bus to go from DTC to Morse's district if we can fill it with people who want to vote him out.


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[spqrzilla]

Hmmmm, we need some better legal advice on this topic. Maybe the recall campaign will spring for some attorney time on the question of who can vote?

[newracer]

It will just be another issue that they can take into court after they lose.

[hatidua]

carpool....

[SuperiorDG]

This one of the stupidest things I heard in a while. If its indeed true we all need to go down there and vote.

[battle_sight_zero]

Elections to me since 2008 make me believe shit like this is going on http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sOrdj5KBML0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DsOrdj5KBML0

[sniper7]

I don't like it. Only residents of their districts at the time of the recall should be allowed to vote.

[TFOGGER]

News from election night: In the District 11 recall, 105,411 in favor of the recall, 91,909 opposed. 71,418 people live in the district. [ROFL1]

[SuperiorDG]

News from election night: In the District 11 recall, 105,411 in favor of the recall, 91,909 opposed. 71,418 people live in the district. [ROFL1]

Didn't we hear this same thing in 2012?

[battle_sight_zero]

Going to have to fight them the same way they us, and be even more creative. Demomrats have think tanks and people with lots of time to figure out and promote the causes. While we are living our lives this is there life.

[Punkface]

I'm down to carpool or join in on some sort of group transportation depending on the date/time.

[sellersm]

Hmmmm, we need some better legal advice on this topic. Maybe the recall campaign will spring for some attorney time on the question of who can vote?

^This.

[def90]

Hmmmm, we need some better legal advice on this topic. Maybe the recall campaign will spring for some attorney time on the question of who can vote?

Well, the county clerk says it's legal until the SOS comes up with the new election rules which according to the article will be a while.

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[jerrymrc]

Since I live in the district and since there is a polling place a few blocks away I guess I need to buy some hotdogs.[LOL] Free hotdog with every vote. [pick-me][Beer]

[spittoon]

I'll pay for a bus to go from DTC to Morse's district if we can fill it with people who want to vote him out.
[LOL] i AM THINK OF MOVING

[Ronin13]

Didn't we hear this same thing in 2012?
No, worse- Some precincts reported 100% democratic vote vs 0% votes for Romney....[Eek3] [bs]

[XDMan]

Reserving a spot on the bus.

[roberth]

Hey I'm moving, let's all move.

Let's go.

[vossman]

I'll bring chili.

So essentially you can vote in any district if you say you're gonna move there. Is that correct?



Since I live in the district and since there is a polling place a few blocks away I guess I need to buy some hotdogs.[LOL] Free hotdog with every vote. [pick-me][Beer]

[10mm-man]

I have actually been thinking about moving to that district and was very upset I would not be able to participate. I just love that district so much; I can't wait to move! This is great news, knowing I can now participate.... I can help cook hotdogs, drive or whatever! Shoot ( no pun intended) I'll throw in for a party after!

[sniper7]

I'll move down there for a while!

[crays]

I grew up in CS. Does that make me a lifetime voter there?

If it's legal, I'll take the day off work to drive down and vote. As stated in earlier posts, you KNOW the libs will exploit.

What a mess.


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[crays]

I'll move down there for a while!

Let's all relocate (for at least 18-24 hrs).

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[Dave]

Put me down for a spot on the bus, maybe 2 if I can convince the wife she's sick that morning. [pick-me] Someone in Boulder better keep an eye out for busses heading to CS and/or Pueblo that day. I can see CU emptying out if this ends up being a legit loophole.

[Rooskibar03]

I've got family in the springs been bugging me to move down.

[Zundfolge]

Whoa. How'd they miss that loophole?
It's not a bug, it's a feature.

[68Charger]

Whoa. How'd they miss that loophole?

Or was it a loophole that was meant for one side to exploit, and not the other side?
It's been said already, but I don't think they "missed" anything- they know that the lack of morals req'd to be dishonest always favor the (D) candidate



It's not a bug, it's a feature.
I LOL'd- as long as it's documented, it's a "feature", like it or not!
(this has been an IT mantra for a loooong time)

Since I live in the district and since there is a polling place a few blocks away I guess I need to buy some hotdogs.[LOL] Free hotdog with every vote. [pick-me][Beer]

How many people can we report as living at your address? how long do we have to "live" at your residence to qualify? one BBQ party, then go vote? [LOL]

[82ndShooter]

I'm down for making the drive down there to participate!!!

[Brock Landers]

No, worse- Some precincts reported 100% democratic vote vs 0% votes for Romney....[Eek3] [bs]

Citation please.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Citation please.

Google
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57548626/romney-earned-zero-votes-in-some-urban-precincts/

[vossman]

Nice.


Google
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57548626/romney-earned-zero-votes-in-some-urban-precincts/

[Irving]

I might know someone who insures several limo companies and airport shuttles.

[RblDiver]

Have to admit, first thing that came to mind when people were talking of "moving" there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VzSdPxlGGZc&t=18

[hollohas]

I know I have plans to move there.

They wrote the law. It's our fault if we don't use it because you know they will be.

[Ronin13]

Citation please.
And more for you:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/11/12/odd-romney-got-zero-votes-in-59-precincts-in-philly-9-in-ohio/

[Ah Pook]

BS aside. Back on track.

I'm liking this idea and can make it down to CO Springs on Sept. 10. [cigar]

Can the precinct volunteers deny your request and not allow you to vote? Would they be suspicious if a bus load of people showed up wanting to move to the Springs?

[battle_sight_zero]

And more for you:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/11/12/odd-romney-got-zero-votes-in-59-precincts-in-philly-9-in-ohio/

These stats make me very suspicious about the last two elections and those coming up. If its rigged as it appears there is no hope for democracy in the US. I dont care how many Givmethats voted for Obama. Everything has sucked pretty much under his terms and never seen this country so divided before. The fact were so divided is just one of many reasons we need fair elections. I dont trust things these days, every freaking year for the last three years I have been audited by the IRS for little things or they have misplaced my tax payments. Other conservatives that I know have faced the same thing all in the last 4 years. Right now I dont trust anyone from the Government and if we have no say in the direction how the hell can we?

[Jer]

Always looking for an excuse to get some Rudy's. Looks like the wife and I will be treating ourselves to some Rudy's after voting in the district we're planning on moving to at the end of the year. [Flower]

[Jer]

BS aside. Back on track.

I'm liking this idea and can make it down to CO Springs on Sept. 10. [cigar]

Can the precinct volunteers deny your request and not allow you to vote? Would they be suspicious if a bus load of people showed up wanting to move to the Springs?

Bus pulls into parking lot nearby and not the front door. Passengers matriculate in a random fashion as to not raise suspicion. Last resort, if they start to question just say that you are against the recall. That should get you in just fine.

[hollohas]

For those interested, here the law, page 15 in particular.

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2013a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont/0F25BA96A1C5D81E87257AEE005819A6?Open&file=1303_01.pdf


If a person moves from one county or precinct in this state toanother with the intention of making the new county or precinct a
permanent residence, the person IS considered to
have residence in the county or precinct from TO which the person
moved.


The old law didn't grant residence until 30-days after a person moved. They specifically removed that part. No indication of what "moves" means.

[SuperiorDG]

For those interested, here the law, page 15 in particular.

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2013a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont/0F25BA96A1C5D81E87257AEE005819A6?Open&file=1303_01.pdf





The old law didn't grant residence until 30-days after a person moved. They specifically removed that part. No indication of what "moves" means.

From that it appears they may ask for some proof you reside there.

[hollohas]

From that it appears they may ask for some proof you reside there.

Just sounds like a verbal confirmation to me, I haven't found any section that requires proof yet...



1-2-204. Questions answered by elector - rules. (2) In addition,
4 each eligible elector shall be asked, and the elector shall correctly answer,
5 the following:



(l) THE QUESTION "DO YOU AFFIRM THAT YOU MEET THE VOTER
14 REGISTRATION QUALIFICATIONS AND THAT THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE
15 PROVIDED IN THIS APPLICATION IS TRUE TO THE BEST OF YOUR
16 KNOWLEDGE AND BELIEF?"



. Self-affirmation made by elector. (1) The registration
6 record to be signed by the elector shall bear the following statement:
7 WARNING:
8 IT IS A CRIME CLASS 1 MISDEMEANOR:
9 To swear or affirm falsely as to your qualifications to register to vote.
10 (2) Each elector making application for registration must SHALL
11 make the following self-affirmation: "I, ...., affirm that:
12 • I am a citizen of the United States;
13 • I amHAVE BEEN a resident of the state of Colorado FOR AT
14 LEAST TWENTY-TWO DAYS;
15 • I am at least sixteen years old and understand that I must be
16 eighteen years old to be eligible to vote; and
17 • I further affirm that I meet the registration qualifications
18 and that the information I have provided on this application
19 is true to the best of my knowledge and belief; AND
20 • I FURTHER AFFIRM THAT I WILL NOT CAST MORE THAN ONE
21 BALLOT IN ANY ELECTION.".


AND


(4) Registration at voter service and polling centers. (a) AN
6 ELECTOR MAY REGISTER AND VOTE PRIOR TO AN ELECTION OR ON
7 ELECTION DAY IF THE ELECTOR:
8 (I) APPEARS IN PERSON AT A VOTER SERVICE AND POLLING CENTER
9 IN THE COUNTY IN WHICH THE ELECTOR RESIDES AT A TIME WHEN THAT
10 VOTER SERVICE AND POLLING CENTER IS OPEN;
11 (II) COMPLETES AND SIGNS A VOTER REGISTRATION APPLICATION
12 IN THE FORM PRESCRIBED BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE BY RULE, WHICH
13 APPLICATION MUST INCLUDE THE QUESTIONS CONTAINED IN SECTION
14 1-2-204 (1) AND (2);
15 (III) COMPLETES AND SIGNS THE SELF-AFFIRMATION SPECIFIED IN
16 SECTION 1-2-205; AND
17 (IV) COMPLETES AND SIGNS THE AFFIDAVIT DESCRIBED IN
18 PARAGRAPH (b) OF THIS SUBSECTION (4).
19 (b) IN ADDITION TO EXECUTING THE SELF-AFFIRMATION REQUIRED
20 UNDER SECTION 1-2-205 (2), AN ELECTOR REGISTERING TO VOTE UNDER
21 THIS SECTION SHALL COMPLETE AND SIGN A VOTER REGISTRATION
22 AFFIDAVIT, IN A FORM PRESCRIBED BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE, THAT
23 CONTAINS THE FOLLOWING OATH:
24 I, .........., HEREBY CERTIFY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY
25 THAT, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE,I HAVE NOT, NOR
26 WILL I, CAST MORE THAN ONE BALLOT IN THIS ELECTION.

[RblDiver]

8 (I) APPEARS IN PERSON AT A VOTER SERVICE AND POLLING CENTER
9 IN THE COUNTY IN WHICH THE ELECTOR RESIDES AT A TIME WHEN THAT
10 VOTER SERVICE AND POLLING CENTER IS OPEN;

Seems this would be the part that'd apply. Although, it says the polling center where you reside, not where the election is taking place :P

[jerrymrc]

Since the wife is an election judge and they have been trained on the new law their instructions were that yes, you could vote but you have to have something that proves you are going to be residing in the area IE a contract to buy a house, A fresh rental agreement.

All votes cast in this manner go to a provisional status until verified.

[hollohas]

That's good to hear Jerry.

[jerrymrc]

P.S. The wife just called and it is a mail in ballot only. All registered voters as of the time of mailing only. The only way the dems could stuff the ballot box is to register by mail or at the county office before the ballots are sent in early aug.

[Singlestack]

This is great news. Even tho many of us, including me, would have taken advantage of the current law to vote for the recall, it is much better that the law and election enforcement make sure that non-residents of the affected precincts cannot vote.

[asmo]

I think I have a stack of blank rental contracts around here somewhere.

[Jer]

I think I have a stack of blank rental contracts around here somewhere.

I know I do too. Wonder how much 'confirmation' they do if these are needed.

[jerrymrc]

I think I have a stack of blank rental contracts around here somewhere.

Then you would need to register in person by like the first of next week.
it is much better that the law and election enforcement make sure that non-residents of the affected precincts cannot vote.

And because it is mail-in only every voter gets a ballot. In El Paso county you have to sign up to get a ballot by mail and many like myself just like to do it the old fashion way and go to the polls. Because it is mail only every voter will get one.

Time to make signs. [Flower]

[CO Hugh]

As LBJ is alleged to have once stated, this dead voter has as much right to vote as the other one. The dems will be doing it along with their agitators.

[Jer]

Then you would need to register in person by like the first of next week.

And because it is mail-in only every voter gets a ballot. In El Paso county you have to sign up to get a ballot by mail and many like myself just like to do it the old fashion way and go to the polls. Because it is mail only every voter will get one.

Time to make signs. [Flower]

So let me get this straight, my wife and I could drive to Colorado Springs in the next few days to present our 'rental contract' in order to have a ballot mailed to us so that the only trip we make is the one?

[Rabid]

So let me get this straight, my wife and I could drive to Colorado Springs in the next few days to present our 'rental contract' in order to have a ballot mailed to us so that the only trip we make is the one?
Correct. Make sure your "contract" says you already live there so it goes right into the bin. [Flower]

[Ah Pook]

As LBJ is alleged to have once stated, this dead voter has as much right to vote as the other one. The dems will be doing it along with their agitators.
Sounds more like something W. Lee "Pappy" O'Daniel (the only person to ever beat LBJ) would say.

Being a mail in ballot, does the help the recall odds?

[hollohas]

I am impressed with how the election officals are handling this. Having mail in only seems to be just about the best way to make sure it's as honest as possible. I'm sure some will still cheat somehow but mail in only seems to be the best bet.

[jerrymrc]

So let me get this straight, my wife and I could drive to Colorado Springs in the next few days to present our 'rental contract' in order to have a ballot mailed to us so that the only trip we make is the one?

Yes, but it is going to go to that "Rental" address in dist 11. Lot of work for one vote.

[Brock Landers]

And more for you:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/11/12/odd-romney-got-zero-votes-in-59-precincts-in-philly-9-in-ohio/


Google
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57548626/romney-earned-zero-votes-in-some-urban-precincts/

Two things:

1. http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp - I assume you guys knew that was coming.

2. The 2012 election results came in almost exactly as the pre-election polls predicted. Nearly every reliable poll showed that Obama would win (handily) and many predicted each state's results perfectly. The pre-November 2012 Five-Thirty-Eight blog at NY Times is good reading if you doubt these numbers/predictions.

I recognize that voter fraud does happen and it's a serious issue, but the implication that it had a measurable impact on a national election is flat wrong. The irony is that you guys are using nonexistant voter fraud to justify committing the actual crime yourself. I hope that Morse loses the recall vote, but I would think long and hard before trying to vote in a district I don't live in.

[GilpinGuy]

I'm liking this idea and can make it down to CO Springs on Sept. 10. [cigar]

I'm with you. Carpool?

EDIT: whoops. Mail in.

[GilpinGuy]

I recognize that voter fraud does happen and it's a serious issue, but the implication that it had a measurable impact on a national election is flat wrong. The irony is that you guys are using nonexistant voter fraud to justify committing the actual crime yourself. I hope that Morse loses the recall vote, but I would think long and hard before trying to vote in a district I don't live in.

I think this is just a good sign that some conservatives are ready to start fighting fire with fire.

[battle_sight_zero]

[QUOTE=Brock Landers


http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

Snopes a extension of the Obama propaganda machine. Yeah right there was no election fraud because snopes and the New York times said so. To also top it off they suppressed conservative political groups using the IRS. Many of those groups were focused for the upcoming elections, kill those groups and you dont have organization to mobilize votes.

[RblDiver]

I think this is just a good sign that some conservatives are ready to start fighting fire with fire.

Bingo. Ethically, I'd hate to be associated with such a thing, but on the other hand, there comes a point when you have to say enough is enough.

[sellersm]

Not so fast! Judge says that they may NOT be using mail-in ballots for the recall election!

http://gazette.com/judge-rules-for-libertarians-putting-new-wrinkle-in-recall-against-morse-giron/article/1504763


DENVER - A shockwave reverberated through both side in the recall elections of two southern Colorado Democratic senators after a judge's ruling likely eliminates mail-in ballots for the looming Sept. 10 elections.Judge Robert McGahey considered a lawsuit brought by the Libertarian Party saying they were wrongfully denied the ability to get a candidate into recall elections for Sen. John Morse, D-Colorado Springs, and Sen. Angela Giron, D-Pueblo.

McGahey - in a decision that stunned many on Monday evening - ruled that potential candidates should have had until 15 days prior to the election to turn in enough signatures to get their names on the ballot. It's a part of the constitution that applies only to recall elections and is seldom used.

The ruling pleased neither Democrats or Republicans involved in the recall battles.

That provision of the constitution is in direct conflict with legislation overhauling the state's election process that became law this summer. The new law gave potential candidates 10 days after the governor set the date of the recall election to turn the signatures in and get their name on the ballot.

Richard Anglund, a Democrat from Pueblo, wanted to run as a potential replacement if Giron is successfully recalled. Gordon Butt, a Libertarian from Colorado Springs, wanted to put his name in as a potential replacement for Morse.

Both missed the new 10-day deadline.

Election law attorney Mark Grueskin argued the two candidates had plenty of time to get on the ballot - two Republicans successfully met the deadline.

Grueskin is the attorney on behalf of the groups trying to keep Morse and Giron in office. He urged McGahey to throw the case out on the grounds it was brought disingenuously by two candidates who didn't execute their rights when they had the chance.

Under McGahey's ruling, potential candidates will now have until Aug. 26 to file the proper forms and get their name on the ballots.
El Paso County Clerk and Recorder Wayne Williams - who testified for about two hours on Monday - said the ruling makes it impossible for every voter in Morse's Senate District 11 to receive mail-ballots.

The new election law - House Bill 1303 - requires mail-in ballots to be sent to every registered voter in an election. It's a voting measure supported by Democrats who say it improves voter participation and access. But it is vehemently opposed by Republicans who say it increases the potential for fraud.

Williams was among those who testified against the bill. "This bill really deserved far greater scrutiny than late-night hearings and late bills," Williams said. "It simply illustrates some of the issues that were raised and that's true anytime you rush through a bill without a full process."

The two Democrats who are facing recall because of their support of gun legislation would likely benefit from an all mail-ballot election.

While Republicans - who have candidates on both ballots already - would oppose possible splitting the vote with Libertarians.

Bernie Herpin, a former Colorado Springs City Councilman, is running to replace Morse. "This ruling could prevent our patriotic military members whose ballots are already in the mail from having their votes counted," Herpin said.

Williams said he will work closely with Secretary of State Scott Gessler to ensure the election is fair and voters are able to cast their ballots.

He said that could mean opening several polling centers in the district for early voting and on election day.

But one thing is clear - mail-in ballots that were on the verge of being printed and sent to voters are on hold pending the addition of more candidates.

And ballots already mailed to overseas voters will be invalid if another candidate qualifies for the election.

[Byte Stryke]

Didn't we hear this same thing in 2012?

YER A RACIST!


[ROFL1]