View Full Version : Got fisted by HB1224
Yep. Got a call from a local police supply shop saying my Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm was in. $489.52 out the door with night sights. I was happy, regardless the 7-month back order. Now, prefacing it with this; I am a civilian who works for a police agency. The shop knew that going into the sale. After showing them a copy of my ID and drivers license everything seemed to be moving along quite nicely. 4473 filled out, backgound check passed....and then I get this: "Well, we have a problem." Because I am a civilian employee for a police agency they can sell me the firearm, but not the three 17-round magazines it comes with - can't "block" them to 15, sorry, no-can-do. So, the three magazines have to go back to S&W and replaced with 10-round magazines - No ETA on their arrival but I'm guessing sometime next year.
Now, I completely understand the law and the owner did the right thing. I'm just bitching and moaning because this law is garbage and it sucks to have a new gun in my safe that I can't go shoot. Not looking for sympathy, just ranting. [Mad]
Sharpienads
07-31-2013, 18:52
Yeah, that sucks. Sorry man. The law is absolute bullshit.
TEAMRICO
07-31-2013, 18:55
Think of the children........
That does suck though.
Boadie30
07-31-2013, 19:03
I have started this reply over three times.. I am pretty on top of the law but I think I threw in assumptions inavertently.. are you saying that you could have aquired the mags if you were law enforcement and not need an agency contract..
In other words, can LE purchase mags for personal use?
Rooskibar03
07-31-2013, 19:06
Boy it sure is a good thing you thought ahead to purchase several magazine for your new gun prior to July 1st.
Think of the children........
That does suck though.
LOL, yeah that's what me and the store owner laughed about. He agreed, the law is utter garbage but his arse is on the line too and I completely understand that. Another thing I noticed and it added to the frustration....the magazines were not date stamped. I did post my frustrations (civily) on Hickenlooper's Facebook page. Certain that he doesn't read it or care but damnit it made me feel better. And yes, I know I'm ---> [beatdeadhorse]. I do find humor in the deal considering even my boss (who is a police commander) said it was bullshit he didn't sell me the magazines. Maybe (not holding my breath) I'll track down a legal magazine I can by at a gunshow or otherwise between now and then so I can atleast run the woderous work of handgun art. When people say, "Yeah, Smith & Wesson finally got it right," in regards to their M&P line...they are spot on. That thing feels just great and the only thing I foresee doing is cleaning up the trigger a bit. Absolute gem of a pistol otherwise.
Boy it sure is a good thing you thought ahead to purchase several magazine for your new gun prior to July 1st.
Come on over, push me down and call me fat while yer at it too. Finding those magazines prior to July 1st for retail price was still impossible. Midway, Brownells, and everyone else was Out of Stock - No Backorder. So don't assume I didn't try. I just wasn't willing to pay $75 and up off of Gunchoker for them.
Big Wall
07-31-2013, 19:10
Law enforcement can purchase the mags, but have to do it thru their department and then technically the mags belong to the department.
I have started this reply over three times.. I am pretty on top of the law but I think I threw in assumptions inavertently.. are you saying that you could have aquired the mags if you were law enforcement and not need an agency contract..
In other words, can LE purchase mags for personal use?
That is correct. With a current LE agency ID, you can purchase all the +15 round magazines you want. This particular store had boxes of Magpul P-Mags for sale - LE ONLY. (Of course if you resign from the agency you have to turn them in) Feels good doesn't it.
Rooskibar03
07-31-2013, 19:12
Come on over, push me down and call me fat while yer at it too. Finding those magazines prior to July 1st for retail price was still impossible. Midway, Brownells, and everyone else was Out of Stock - No Backorder. So don't assume I didn't try. I just wasn't willing to pay $75 and up off of Gunchoker for them.
All I hear was blah, blah, blah, yes officer I acquired the magazines while I was waiting for the gun which was indeed delivered after 1224 went into effect.
3beansalad
07-31-2013, 19:19
Boy it sure is a good thing you thought ahead to purchase several magazine for your new gun prior to July 1st.
Purchase M&P 9 mags? That's a good one!
Damn this touchscreen.
Now, I completely understand the law and the owner did the right thing. I'm just bitching and moaning because this law is garbage and it sucks to have a new gun in my safe that I can't go shoot. Not looking for sympathy, just ranting. [Mad]
You can sleep more soundly just knowing that a life was just saved.... [ROFL1]
No friends or relatives that live in other states? They could mail you your magazines that you left in the other state.
Boadie30
07-31-2013, 19:22
That is correct. With a current LE agency ID, you can purchase all the +15 round magazines you want. This particular store had boxes of Magpul P-Mags for sale - LE ONLY. (Of course if you resign from the agency you have to turn them in) Feels good doesn't it.
Is it reported... Nevermind I know the answer... I can legally purchase 15 plus and I vow to not legally purchase another... lol
Unless the law changes.... ugg.. still dreamin..
Cylinder Head
07-31-2013, 19:32
Come on over, push me down and call me fat while yer at it too. Finding those magazines prior to July 1st for retail price was still impossible. Midway, Brownells, and everyone else was Out of Stock - No Backorder. So don't assume I didn't try. I just wasn't willing to pay $75 and up off of Gunchoker for them.
This is unfortunately very true. I bought so many magazines before July 1 it was unreal, but I could NOT find these. I still have 10, but I wanted more because I plan to buy several more M&P9's.
Just sayin though, they don't date stamp their mags, and neighboring states don't have mag restrictions.
clublights
07-31-2013, 19:36
That's it .. I'm opening my mag/fireworks shop on the border of Wyoming...
who will be my first customer??
[Beer]
This is unfortunately very true. I bought so many magazines before July 1 it was unreal, but I could NOT find these. I still have 10, but I wanted more because I plan to buy several more M&P9's.
Just sayin though, they don't date stamp their mags, and neighboring states don't have mag restrictions.
You are 100% correct and let's just say....I have "other options" in the works. [Beer]
Great-Kazoo
07-31-2013, 19:41
That's it .. I'm opening my mag/fireworks shop on the border of Wyoming...
who will be my first customer??
[Beer]
Once again you're late to the party, it's' already been done.
battle_sight_zero
07-31-2013, 19:55
Yep. Got a call from a local police supply shop saying my Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm was in. $489.52 out the door with night sights. I was happy, regardless the 7-month back order. Now, prefacing it with this; I am a civilian who works for a police agency. The shop knew that going into the sale. After showing them a copy of my ID and drivers license everything seemed to be moving along quite nicely. 4473 filled out, backgound check passed....and then I get this: "Well, we have a problem." Because I am a civilian employee for a police agency they can sell me the firearm, but not the three 17-round magazines it comes with - can't "block" them to 15, sorry, no-can-do. So, the three magazines have to go back to S&W and replaced with 10-round magazines - No ETA on their arrival but I'm guessing sometime next year.
Now, I completely understand the law and the owner did the right thing. I'm just bitching and moaning because this law is garbage and it sucks to have a new gun in my safe that I can't go shoot. Not looking for sympathy, just ranting. [Mad]
Sorry I dont feel bad for you anyone else in law enforcement having to follow the same law. Shitty law but it dont make you any more entitled than me or anyone else. You work for us and need to have the same rules.
battle_sight_zero
07-31-2013, 19:59
That is correct. With a current LE agency ID, you can purchase all the +15 round magazines you want. This particular store had boxes of Magpul P-Mags for sale - LE ONLY. (Of course if you resign from the agency you have to turn them in) Feels good doesn't it.
Again they should be having to comply to the same laws as the people who pay their salary.
SA Friday
07-31-2013, 20:14
They need to contact their S&W distributor and have the mags swapped for M&P9 15 round mags. Yes they do exist and yes they do exchange them. I know because we got some today.
BTW, we won't sell mags over 15 rounds to any LE regardless of letterhead or not.
Sorry I dont feel bad for you anyone else in law enforcement having to follow the same law. Shitty law but it dont make you any more entitled than me or anyone else. You work for us and need to have the same rules.
Never asked for sympathy or stated I should be an exception to the rule. Just ranting about us being subjected to a shitty law - as a whole. I agree that LE should be subjected to follow this law. It would put into perspective how the public feels about having government tightening the tourniquet of control. Perhaps the state & federal government would get a lot less support from LE who feels they should be an exception. Regardless, never once asked for anyones sympathy.
battle_sight_zero
07-31-2013, 20:31
Never asked for sympathy or stated I should be an exception to the rule. Just ranting about us being subjected to a shitty law - as a whole. I agree that LE should be subjected to follow this law. It would put into perspective how the public feels about having government tightening the tourniquet of control. Perhaps the state & federal government would get a lot less support from LE who feels they should be an exception. Regardless, never once asked for anyones sympathy.
No problem, just saying that the entitled attitude fires me up. Personally I want law enforcement to have the best gear possible, however I also see the 2nd applying the same way to me thus I want the best that I can obtain. Law enforcement does protect society but often as events have shown we have to count on ourselves initially in keeping ourselves and families safe until we get help. Liberals often use the law enforcement angle is the all the protector etc and we don't need to have access to weapons or magazines because of that. So my belief and several family members who are law enforcement or retired we believe in the 2nd and feel that nobody should be excluded to these laws. A SA Friday indicated they are not selling to law enforcement high capacity mags- thus I support that. If law enforcement is impeded as we are it may help the cause in getting this garbage overturned. I apologize and I was not slamming you, I respect your work as a public servant[Beer]
I'm just bitching and moaning because this law is garbage and it sucks to have a new gun in my safe that I can't go shoot. Not looking for sympathy, just ranting. [Mad]
I don't get that. Can't you drop a round into chamber by hand? I've had a couple guns that it took a while to find mags for them. It may not be as much fun but at least you can shoot it.
Hang in there.
Trying to find S&W or Walther mags in the past 8 months has been next to impossible.
It's all good BSZ. In the near 20 years I've lived here (transplant from Iowa) I never once believed we would be even remotely having this conversation. I would've never expected to see this great state turn into such a Liberal controlled mess. Sad that it's turned for the worse.
I don't get that. Can't you drop a round into chamber by hand? I've had a couple guns that it took a while to find mags for them. It may not be as much fun but at least you can shoot it.
Hang in there.
I suppose that is one way to go. I also heard rumor you can convert Beretta 92 mags to work in the M&P. I haven't come across anyone who has tried this, but I would certainly entertain the idea if they are reliable.
You can sleep more soundly just knowing that a life was just saved.... [ROFL1]
Correction. In the eyes of a Liberal, 6 lives were saved.......
Great-Kazoo
07-31-2013, 21:04
I suppose that is one way to go. I also heard rumor you can convert Beretta 92 mags to work in the M&P. I haven't come across anyone who has tried this, but I would certainly entertain the idea if they are reliable.
I have beretta, ruger p85, and s&e 659 series mags all converted to work in my P99. Any mag if you're mechanically inclined ALMOST any mag can be made to work. PLUS since it still functions in the gun it was intended for you have not altered a mag permanently.
Cylinder Head
07-31-2013, 21:30
They need to contact their S&W distributor and have the mags swapped for M&P9 15 round mags. Yes they do exist and yes they do exchange them. I know because we got some today.
BTW, we won't sell mags over 15 rounds to any LE regardless of letterhead or not.
Tell me more about these 15 rounders. Do they have a block or a different baseplate?
blacklabel
07-31-2013, 21:58
They need to contact their S&W distributor and have the mags swapped for M&P9 15 round mags. Yes they do exist and yes they do exchange them. I know because we got some today.
BTW, we won't sell mags over 15 rounds to any LE regardless of letterhead or not.
Are you guys selling them individually?
SA Friday
07-31-2013, 22:02
Are you guys selling them individually?
Not yet. We just got some via exchange for the 17 rounders for the guns we have. If we get a shipment of mags in for the M&P9, I'll post it. I know they are unobtanium.
tI would have been a damn shame if that gun store owner/employee dropped those illegal mags in the dumpster out back - and missed.
:D
tI would have been a damn shame if that gun store owner/employee dropped those illegal mags in the dumpster out back - and missed.
:D
Yes...it would have. [Coffee]
tI would have been a damn shame if that gun store owner/employee dropped those illegal mags in the dumpster out back - and missed.
:D
Except that guy was worried considering OP works for LE agency.
I wouldnt broadcast any intentions on the Internet. Shoot shovel shut up type of mentality.
DD977GM2
07-31-2013, 23:12
Boy it sure is a good thing you thought ahead to purchase several magazine for your new gun prior to July 1st.
Came to post this.
Came to post this.
Apparently you didn't see my reply to that. Or anyone elses for that matter. LOL
GilpinGuy
08-01-2013, 00:15
Apparently you didn't see my reply to that. Or anyone elses for that matter. LOL
I saw it. And "fisted".....[ROFL3] Ouchie.
DingleBerns
08-01-2013, 06:39
What's the name of the business?
ACT-MAG is supposed to be coming out with 15 round M&P 9mm mags in Sept/Oct. I heard this from Greg Cote, a very reputable online vendor.
I was thinking about getting an M&P 9 but didn't because of the lack of magazines. I wasn't about to pay $80 per mag either.
Great-Kazoo
08-01-2013, 07:08
You guys need to do some research on mags, what fits what and how to convert mags. it's so easy even a could do it [ROFL3]
DingleBerns
08-01-2013, 09:21
You guys need to do some research on mags, what fits what and how to convert mags. it's so easy even a caveman could do it [ROFL3]
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rockhound
08-01-2013, 09:24
sorry for your trouble, but if it makes you feel better, i feel safer knowing you have on ten round mags in your gun [ROFL2]
The thread title technically should say you were fisted by Hickenlooper (gah!!!)... and for that, Hickenlooper must live with the knowledge of where his hands have been... that dirty bastard! [ROFL1][shithitsfan][Mad] <Mixed emotions on this whole issue, mostly hatred for anyone in CO with a (D) after their name right now, especially Dickinpooper.
ACT-MAG is supposed to be coming out with 15 round M&P 9mm mags in Sept/Oct. I heard this from Greg Cote, a very reputable online vendor.
I was thinking about getting an M&P 9 but didn't because of the lack of magazines. I wasn't about to pay $80 per mag either.
I agree with you wholeheartedly about the $80 per mag cost. I know supply vs. demand right now sucks on those particular magazines...but holy hell. I seen some on Gunchoker listed for over $100 per magazine! That is just plain gouging. I know someone here asked me to list the business. I am withholding the name because I really don't want to "out" them. My department has a great relationship with them and if just one person called and gave them hell...they would know it was me. I will definitely be keeping my eye out for the ACT-MAG magazines. I have had several of my friends offer up some great advice and yes, I will be getting magazines for this pistol. I really like Jim's idea of going with .40 cal M&P magazines with slight modification.
Ronin is right, we all got fisted by Dickenpooper on July 1st. Perhaps if the Sheriff's cannot get this bill overturned, we can get it on the ballot and vote it off.
Superorb
08-01-2013, 22:43
I have started this reply over three times.. I am pretty on top of the law but I think I threw in assumptions inavertently.. are you saying that you could have aquired the mags if you were law enforcement and not need an agency contract..
In other words, can LE purchase mags for personal use?
I have an LEO friend who I asked about the new laws going into effect July 1st. He said, "I don't care, they don't affect me."
I have an LEO friend who I asked about the new laws going into effect July 1st. He said, "I don't care, they don't affect me."
That's the kind of arrogance that pisses me off. All the guys I work with/for have all said it's a BS law and they aren't in support of it.
battle_sight_zero
08-02-2013, 06:59
Since there were a few questions about the m&p 9 and 15round mags,I did note that Green Mountain is stocking new pistols with these mags for 499.99. Individual mags are on order. I guess Smith and Wesson calls these the New Jersey compliant models. Who would have Colorado would be like New Jersey? At least Lickmypooper and Crispy Creame Christie are not walking through Lodo hand in hand yet.
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