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battle_sight_zero
08-01-2013, 06:24
I have seen these sobering stats posted on several other sites. Scares the heck out of me, and many of these statistics also show why it is important to be prepared, vote and support the 2nd. 1. According to one recent survey (http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/national_world&id=9187957), “four out of five U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, near poverty or reliance on welfare for at least parts of their lives”.

2. The growth rate of real disposable personal income is the lowest that it has been in decades (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-27/recovery-obama-talking-about).

3. Median household income (adjusted for inflation) has fallen by 7.8 percent (http://advisorperspectives.com/dshort/charts/census/monthly-household-income.html?household-income-monthly-median-since-2000.gif) since the year 2000.

4. According to the U.S. Census Bureau (http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-09-12/business/35496368_1_income-inequality-median-household-income-middle-class), the middle class is taking home a smaller share of the overall income pie than has ever been recorded before.

5. The home ownership rate in the United States is the lowest that it has been in 18 years (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-30/american-dream-erased-as-homeownership-at-18-year-low.html).

6. It is more expensive to rent a home in America than ever before. In fact, median asking rent for vacant rental units just hit a brand new all-time record high (http://www.zerohedge.com/print/476995).

7. According to one recent survey, 76 percent (http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/24/pf/emergency-savings/index.html) of all Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.

8. The U.S. economy actually lost 240,000 full-time jobs last month (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-decline-of-breadwinner-jobs-has-resulted-in-the-longest-bread-lines-in-american-history), and the number of full-time workers in the United States is now about 6 million below (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/LNS12500000.txt) the old record that was set back in 2007.

9. The largest employer in the United States right now is Wal-Mart. The second largest employer in the United States right now is a temp agency (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/goodbye-full-time-jobs-hello-part-time-jobs-r-i-p-middle-class) (Kelly Services).

10. One out of every ten jobs (http://www.propublica.org/article/the-expendables-how-the-temps-who-power-corporate-giants-are-getting-crushe) in the United States is now filled through a temp agency.

11. According to the Social Security Administration, 40 percent (http://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2011) of all workers in the United States make less than $20,000 a year.

12. The ratio of wages and salaries to GDP is near an all-time record low (http://www.businessinsider.com/profits-high-wages-low-7-2013).

13. The U.S. economy continues to trade good paying jobs (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/from-good-jobs-to-bad-jobs-to-no-jobs-the-tragic-downfall-of-the-american-worker) for low paying jobs. 60 percent (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/economic-failure-58-percent-of-the-jobs-being-created-are-low-paying-jobs) of the jobs lost during the last recession were mid-wage jobs, but 58 percent (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/economic-failure-58-percent-of-the-jobs-being-created-are-low-paying-jobs) of the jobs created since then have been low wage jobs.

14. Back in 1980, less than 30% (http://growth.newamerica.net/sites/newamerica.net/files/policydocs/26-04-11%20Middle%20Class%20Under%20Stress.pdf) of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs. Today, more than 40% (http://growth.newamerica.net/sites/newamerica.net/files/policydocs/26-04-11%20Middle%20Class%20Under%20Stress.pdf) of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs.

15. At this point, one out of every four American workers has a job that pays $10 an hour or less (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/15-signs-that-the-quality-of-jobs-in-america-is-going-downhill-really-fast).

16. According to one study, between 1969 and 2009 the median wages earned by American men between the ages of 30 and 50 declined by 27 percent (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2011-08-25/obama-seeks-jobs-plan-as-u-s-workingman-status-further-erodes.html) after you account for inflation.

17. In the year 2000, about 17 million (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/10-amazing-charts-that-demonstrate-the-slow-agonizing-death-of-the-american-worker) Americans were employed in manufacturing. Today, only about 12 million (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/10-amazing-charts-that-demonstrate-the-slow-agonizing-death-of-the-american-worker) Americans are employed in manufacturing.

18. The United States has lost more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities (http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/nov/07/betty-sutton/betty-sutton-says-average-15-us-factories-close-ea/) since 2001.

19. The average number of hours worked per employed person per year has fallen by about 100 (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/10-amazing-charts-that-demonstrate-the-slow-agonizing-death-of-the-american-worker) since the year 2000.

20. Back in the year 2000, more than 64 percent (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/EMRATIO.txt) of all working age Americans had a job. Today, only 58.7 percent (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/EMRATIO.txt) of all working age Americans have a job.

21. When you total up all working age Americans that do not have a job, it comes to more than 100 million (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/there-are-100-million-working-age-americans-that-do-not-have-jobs).

22. The average duration of unemployment in the United States isnearly three times (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/UEMPMEAN) as long as it was back in the year 2000.

23. The percentage of Americans that are self-employed has steadily declined (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/they-are-murdering-small-business-the-percentage-of-self-employed-americans-is-at-a-record-low) over the past decade and is now at an all-time low.

24. Right now there are 20.2 million Americans (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/housing-costs-half-of-income_n_1587865.html) that spend more than half of their incomes on housing. That represents a 46 percent increase from 2001.

25. In 1989, the debt to income ratio of the average American family was about 58 percent (http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/09/the-middle-class/). Today it is up to 154 percent (http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/09/the-middle-class/).

26. Total U.S. household debt grew from just 1.4 trillion dollars (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/business/121018/america-middle-class-economic-problems?page=0,1) in 1980 to a whopping 13.7 trillion dollars (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/business/121018/america-middle-class-economic-problems?page=0,1) in 2007. This played a huge role in the financial crisis of 2008, and the problem still has not been solved.

27. The total amount of student loan debt in the United States recently surpassed the one trillion dollar mark (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-student-loan-debt-bubble-is-creating-millions-of-modern-day-serfs).

28. Total home mortgage debt in the United States is now about 5 times larger (http://www.businessinsider.com/30-charts-you-must-see-before-buying-a-home-2011-4#-8) than it was just 20 years ago.

29. Back in the year 2000, the mortgage delinquency rate was about 2 percent (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/DRSFRMACBS). Today, it is nearly 10 percent (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/DRSFRMACBS).

30. Consumer debt in the United States has risen by a whopping1700% (http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article31784.html) since 1971, and 46% of all Americans (http://blogs.forbes.com/moneybuilder/2010/06/24/one-big-difference-between-chinese-and-american-households-debt/) carry a credit card balance from month to month.

31. In 1999, 64.1 percent (http://www.businessinsider.com/poverty-in-america-2012-9#people-by-type-of-health-insurance-coverage-1999-to-2011-11) of all Americans were covered by employment-based health insurance. Today, only 55.1 percent (http://www.businessinsider.com/poverty-in-america-2012-9#people-by-type-of-health-insurance-coverage-1999-to-2011-11) are covered by employment-based health insurance.

32. One study discovered that approximately 41 percent (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-08/cf-7mu081908.php) of all working age Americans either have medical bill problems or are currently paying off medical debt, and according to a report published in The American Journal of Medicine medical bills are a major factor in more than 60 percent (http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-05/health/bankruptcy.medical.bills_1_medical-bills-bankruptcies-health-insurance?_s=PM:HEALTH) of all personal bankruptcies in the United States.

33. Each year, the average American must work 107 days (http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/02/pf/taxes/tax-freedom-day/index.htm?iid=Lead) just to make enough money to pay local, state and federal taxes.

34. Today, approximately 46.2 million (http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/about/overview/) Americans are living in poverty.

35. The number of Americans living in poverty has increased by more than 15 million (http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-09-12/business/35496368_1_income-inequality-median-household-income-middle-class) since the year 2000.

36. Families that have a head of household under the age of 30 have a poverty rate of 37 percent (http://lrfuller.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/the-generation-that-never-stood-a-chance/).

37. At this point, approximately 25 million (http://moneyland.time.com/2012/02/14/romance-real-estate-how-your-housing-situation-affects-your-love-life/#ixzz1n85dX0xm) American adults are living with their parents.

38. In the year 2000, there were only 17 million (http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/articles/2012/10/16/decline-of-the-middle-class-behind-the-numbers) Americans on food stamps. Today, there are more than 47 million (http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34snapmonthly.htm) Americans on food stamps.

39. Back in the 1970s, about one out of every 50 Americans (http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/09/food-stamp-use-reaches-another-high-in-september-47-7-million-participants/) was on food stamps. Today, about one out of every 6.5 Americans is on food stamps.

40. Right now, the number of Americans on food stamps exceeds the entire population of the nation of Spain (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/food-stamp-rolls-america-now-surpass-population-spain).

41. According to one calculation (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/23/Exclusive-Food-Stamp-Recipients-Outnumber-Populations-Of-24-States-Combined), the number of Americans on food stamps now exceeds the combined populations of “Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming.”

42. At this point, more than a million (http://www.nlchp.org/view_release.cfm?PRID=148) public school students in the United States are homeless. This is the first time that has ever happened in our history. That number has risen by 57 percent (http://www.nlchp.org/view_release.cfm?PRID=148) since the 2006-2007 school year.

43. According to U.S. Census data, 57 percent (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/12/15/9461848-dismal-prospects-1-in-2-americans-are-now-poor-or-low-income) of all American children live in a home that is either considered to be “poor” or “low income”.

44. In the year 2000, the ratio of social welfare benefits to salaries and wages was approximately 21 percent (http://www.cnbc.com/id/41969508). Today, the ratio of social welfare benefits to salaries and wages is approximately 35 percent (http://www.cnbc.com/id/41969508).

tmleadr03
08-01-2013, 07:13
Mike Rowe hit the nail on the head. Soon many people out of work because they don't want to get dirty or work hard.

Oil fields are hiring. Main qualification is you have a pulse.

Massive shortage of welders out there. If you can run a good bead on just about any metal your could write your own paycheck.

Not a whole lot of office jobs though.

Hell, farmers are paying OVER minimum wage and still can't get enough warm bodies to pick their crops.

fitz19d
08-01-2013, 07:24
But the oil jobs that actually pay well did require more mechanics certifications/experience and that sort of thing I thought? I've thought about a career change of sorts, then again I figure yeah it's good money now, but how long of doing the grunt work till your ate up?

Teaching myself a little plumbing seems like an awful easy job to get paid decent. Now electricity is still scary/devils magic to me.


Mike Rowe hit the nail on the head. Soon many people out of work because they don't want to get dirty or work hard.

Oil fields are hiring. Main qualification is you have a pulse.

Massive shortage of welders out there. If you can run a good bead on just about any metal your could write your own paycheck.

Not a whole lot of office jobs though.

Hell, farmers are paying OVER minimum wage and still can't get enough warm bodies to pick their crops.

Jumpstart
08-01-2013, 07:29
But on the bright side, Democrats and some Republicans want to legalize 12 million illegal aliens, with family chain immigration included and many, many more to come!!!!

Dave
08-01-2013, 07:38
Mike Rowe hit the nail on the head. Soon many people out of work because they don't want to get dirty or work hard.

Oil fields are hiring. Main qualification is you have a pulse.

Massive shortage of welders out there. If you can run a good bead on just about any metal your could write your own paycheck.

Not a whole lot of office jobs though.

Hell, farmers are paying OVER minimum wage and still can't get enough warm bodies to pick their crops.
Those are all hard work though, you can make almost as much on unemployment, section 8 housing, food stamps, free basic cell phone and SSDI without having to be bothered with one of those job thingies.

roberth
08-01-2013, 07:42
A link

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-31/44-facts-about-death-middle-class-obama-should-know-about

roberth
08-01-2013, 07:58
I'd like to thank obamacare for the decrease in full time jobs with even minimal benefits and the increase in part time jobs with no benefit.

A hearty FUCK YOU to obama and every asshole shitbird who voted for that son-of-a-whore. You've done your part to help destroy the economy for everyone except the very wealthy.

There is only ONE economic condition that we can all SHARE in and it will be FAIR, that economic condition is called POVERTY.

spqrzilla
08-01-2013, 08:05
Just this fiscal year, we've borrowed more than 15% of our total economy GDP (not total budget, total economy), most of that by simply printing up the money in Bernanke's basement, and the result is around a 2% GDP "growth".

SuperiorDG
08-01-2013, 08:23
5. The home ownership rate in the United States is the lowest that it has been in 18 years (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-30/american-dream-erased-as-homeownership-at-18-year-low.html).

A large % of those homes were never truly "owned."

tmleadr03
08-01-2013, 08:24
But the oil jobs that actually pay well did require more mechanics certifications/experience and that sort of thing I thought? I've thought about a career change of sorts, then again I figure yeah it's good money now, but how long of doing the grunt work till your ate up?

Teaching myself a little plumbing seems like an awful easy job to get paid decent. Now electricity is still scary/devils magic to me.
12-15 an hour and you do two weeks on one week off. For your on weeks you can work as many hours as you can stand. So you get time and a half over 40. Lets say you only work 60 hours a week (pitiful I do that on a slow week at my shop) this would put you at 1680 for two weeks work at 12 an hour. Then you have your week off where you get paid 40 hours to stay home.

Not a bad deal if you ask me. I did some math and was about to go do that for 6 months and bank the money to start my shop with. Wife said no. So I did it on credit.

tmleadr03
08-01-2013, 08:29
Those are all hard work though, you can make almost as much on unemployment, section 8 housing, food stamps, free basic cell phone and SSDI without having to be bothered with one of those job thingies.
A good welder can make 6 figures right now.

Rooskibar03
08-01-2013, 09:35
A good welder can make 6 figures right now.

Always wanted to learn to weld. Maybe time to look into that.

hghclsswhitetrsh
08-01-2013, 09:36
But MSM says everything is getting better since BHO has been in office.

roberth
08-01-2013, 09:43
But MSM says everything is getting better since BHO has been in office.

it is better...for wall street

for main street...not so much

tmleadr03
08-01-2013, 10:00
Always wanted to learn to weld. Maybe time to look into that.


The money you could make as a welder or electrician on the oil fields would be unreal. Hope you didn't really want to see your family though. I think 30 bucks an hour (guessing) plus all the overtime you can stand would be quite nice.

TheWeeze
08-01-2013, 10:14
The money you could make as a welder or electrician on the oil fields would be unreal. Hope you didn't really want to see your family though. I think 30 bucks an hour (guessing) plus all the overtime you can stand would be quite nice.
You have to be willing to travel to the job though. If you can weld pipeline, you'll be the most loved and one of the highest paid guys on the job. But you move with the pipeline, so you're never anywhere for very long.

Dave
08-01-2013, 10:16
Working the oil fields would be something to do for a year or two, bank your money then go back home and get a job locally for a few years and then go back to the fields if your life can handle it. Kind of like military deployments.

tmleadr03
08-01-2013, 10:27
Working the oil fields would be something to do for a year or two, bank your money then go back home and get a job locally for a few years and then go back to the fields if your life can handle it. Kind of like military deployments.

This is why the wife said no.

GilpinGuy
08-01-2013, 10:33
Welding huh? Is there a demand for welders locally also or just in the oil biz?

TheWeeze
08-01-2013, 10:35
Welding huh? Is there a demand for welders locally also or just in the oil biz?
I work with Structural Steel companies. They're ALL looking for reliable people. They need people that won't flake on them and not show up for a day or two. They'll work with you if you're not all that experienced.

Rooskibar03
08-01-2013, 11:18
The money you could make as a welder or electrician on the oil fields would be unreal. Hope you didn't really want to see your family though. I think 30 bucks an hour (guessing) plus all the overtime you can stand would be quite nice.

Im likely get flamed but for only $30 bucks and hour ill keep selling cars. At least I get Sundays to see the family.

tmleadr03
08-01-2013, 11:24
Mill likely get flamed but for only $30 bucks and hour ill keep selling cars. At least I get Sundays to see the family.

Dont forget overtime at time and a half for anything over 40 for 2 weeks with as much time as you can stand. Then a week off getting paid 30 an hour to hang out with the family.

GilpinGuy
08-01-2013, 11:33
Dont forget overtime at time and a half for anything over 40 for 2 weeks with as much time as you can stand. Then a week off getting paid 30 an hour to hang out with the family.

I ran this by the wife a while back and she immediately said "Hell no". If i was a single 20 something I'd be all over this.

Wulf202
08-01-2013, 11:33
Those oil jobs are harder to get. I've been applying for 2 years all over.

You need a class a cdl also.

Ronin13
08-01-2013, 11:38
But the oil jobs that actually pay well did require more mechanics certifications/experience and that sort of thing I thought? I've thought about a career change of sorts, then again I figure yeah it's good money now, but how long of doing the grunt work till your ate up?
Like Wulf says- a lot of them require a Class A CDL- I have a friend who just got his done with this week to go to work in N. Dakota, the market here in CO is pretty competitive and tough to get into, but the business is booming and can always use more help, if individuals are motivated and have work ethic.

Those stats are kinda scary, like these:
38. In the year 2000, there were only 17 million (http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/articles/2012/10/16/decline-of-the-middle-class-behind-the-numbers) Americans on food stamps. Today, there are more than 47 million (http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34snapmonthly.htm) Americans on food stamps.

39. Back in the 1970s, about one out of every 50 Americans (http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/09/food-stamp-use-reaches-another-high-in-september-47-7-million-participants/) was on food stamps. Today, about one out of every 6.5 Americans is on food stamps.

40. Right now, the number of Americans on food stamps exceeds the entire population of the nation of Spain (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/food-stamp-rolls-america-now-surpass-population-spain).

​Effed up! [Shake]

urbandiesel
08-01-2013, 12:14
The oil jobs aren't as easy to come by now. Everybody has caught there breath in North Dakota now and they are being nit picky about who gets hired. There are a lot of unqualified people up here right now that aren't making it. And if you did get a job up here good luck finding reasonable priced housing. It's not uncommon to see $3k+ month rent on a 1-2 bedroom house or apartment. I manage our company's North Dakota operations and I am currently hiring and I laugh a lot about the people that apply for work. A shift manager at McDonalds that doesn't have any construction field experience but he thinks he can build pads, roads and such. He wants me to hire him and pay him $130k a year because its the oil field and he thinks he can do it. I get crap like that all the time.

redneck122
08-01-2013, 12:26
The oil jobs aren't as easy to come by now. Everybody has caught there breath in North Dakota now and they are being nit picky about who gets hired. There are a lot of unqualified people up here right now that aren't making it. And if you did get a job up here good luck finding reasonable priced housing. It's not uncommon to see $3k+ month rent on a 1-2 bedroom house or apartment. I manage our company's North Dakota operations and I am currently hiring and I laugh a lot about the people that apply for work. A shift manager at McDonalds that doesn't have any construction field experience but he thinks he can build pads, roads and such. He wants me to hire him and pay him $130k a year because its the oil field and he thinks he can do it. I get crap like that all the time.
Need any mechanics?

tmleadr03
08-01-2013, 12:29
The oil jobs aren't as easy to come by now. Everybody has caught there breath in North Dakota now and they are being nit picky about who gets hired. There are a lot of unqualified people up here right now that aren't making it. And if you did get a job up here good luck finding reasonable priced housing. It's not uncommon to see $3k+ month rent on a 1-2 bedroom house or apartment. I manage our company's North Dakota operations and I am currently hiring and I laugh a lot about the people that apply for work. A shift manager at McDonalds that doesn't have any construction field experience but he thinks he can build pads, roads and such. He wants me to hire him and pay him $130k a year because its the oil field and he thinks he can do it. I get crap like that all the time.

My plan at the time was to sell my current vehicle, pick up a 3500 of some sort and buy a true four season camper for it. The monthly would be much less then a 1-2 bedroom.

sellersm
08-01-2013, 12:40
There is only ONE economic condition that we can all SHARE in and it will be FAIR, that economic condition is called POVERTY.

Which is always the end result of communist regimes, and is in fact, the 'plan' that's being instituted here, and has been for quite some time.

Dave_L
08-01-2013, 13:09
I found these ones to be interesting:

23. The percentage of Americans that are self-employed has steadily declined (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/they-are-murdering-small-business-the-percentage-of-self-employed-americans-is-at-a-record-low) over the past decade and is now at an all-time low.

25. In 1989, the debt to income ratio of the average American family was about 58 percent (http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/09/the-middle-class/). Today it is up to 154 percent (http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/09/the-middle-class/).

27. The total amount of student loan debt in the United States recently surpassed the one trillion dollar mark (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-student-loan-debt-bubble-is-creating-millions-of-modern-day-serfs).


30. Consumer debt in the United States has risen by a whopping1700% (http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article31784.html) since 1971, and 46% of all Americans (http://blogs.forbes.com/moneybuilder/2010/06/24/one-big-difference-between-chinese-and-american-households-debt/) carry a credit card balance from month to month.

32. One study discovered that approximately 41 percent (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-08/cf-7mu081908.php) of all working age Americans either have medical bill problems or are currently paying off medical debt, and according to a report published in The American Journal of Medicine medical bills are a major factor in more than 60 percent (http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-05/health/bankruptcy.medical.bills_1_medical-bills-bankruptcies-health-insurance?_s=PM:HEALTH) of all personal bankruptcies in the United States.


So...self employment is down. Either no one wants to be the owner of their work, or the current system isn't helping the entrepreneur. Either way, not a good sign.

Beyond that, the stats seem to show that most Americans over extend themselves and struggle or have a major medical issue that drains them. Interesting that in 25 years or so, we've managed to increase our debt to income ratio 100%? Reflection of losing the high paying wages or people so caught up in social status that they have to keep having the newest and greatest, no matter the cost. Today's social media world probably doesn't help that desire to "keep up with the Jones'".

kfd82
08-01-2013, 13:47
The oil jobs aren't as easy to come by now. Everybody has caught there breath in North Dakota now and they are being nit picky about who gets hired. There are a lot of unqualified people up here right now that aren't making it. And if you did get a job up here good luck finding reasonable priced housing. It's not uncommon to see $3k+ month rent on a 1-2 bedroom house or apartment. I manage our company's North Dakota operations and I am currently hiring and I laugh a lot about the people that apply for work. A shift manager at McDonalds that doesn't have any construction field experience but he thinks he can build pads, roads and such. He wants me to hire him and pay him $130k a year because its the oil field and he thinks he can do it. I get crap like that all the time.

This problem seems to generate itself: someone gripes that they can't find a job or aren't making enough in their current job, and some 'helpful' soul behind a keyboard suggests the oilfields, "they make lots of money". The hopeful applicant doesn't find until too late that there is no where to live, you sleep in your truck, you need a CDL or some other qualification, yada yada yada. If people that make these suggestions would give more info at the outset, there wouldn't be quite as many misunderstandings, maybe.

roberth
08-01-2013, 13:49
Why aren't the collectivists on this board defending the failing economic policies of their beloved messiah?

sellersm
08-01-2013, 13:56
Why aren't the collectivists on this board defending the failing economic policies of their beloved messiah?

They're looking for their 2nd job so they can live...

Monky
08-01-2013, 14:02
They're looking for their 2nd job so they can live...

No they're not.. it's the first of the month.. gotta go pick up the cheese.

Ronin13
08-01-2013, 14:17
So...self employment is down. Either no one wants to be the owner of their work, or the current system isn't helping the entrepreneur. Either way, not a good sign.
Well when historically, democratic policies tend to discourage entrepreneurship and job creation, I can think that you can eliminate the word either from your phrase there. The current system (so-called the "You didn't build that" system) discourages starting up small businesses, and thus people are less inclined to want to be a business owner in a hostile market. I sure do not desire to start a small business when some moron out to socialize and "equalize" our nation is running the show.

Sparky
08-01-2013, 14:56
I have a ND journeymans license. Reliable person to care for kid is my problem

ChadAmberg
08-01-2013, 15:11
A good welder can make 6 figures right now.

My cousin is a welder up in Michigan, but work has dried up around there, and his shop is closing. Wondering if he'd relocate here...

buffalobo
08-01-2013, 15:15
My cousin is a welder up in Michigan, but work has dried up around there, and his shop is closing. Wondering if he'd relocate here...

There are beaches in Michigan. Honey Badger told me. I am gonna visit them someday. Gonna go surfing in Michigan, cause that's what I do at the beach.

Sorry, back on topic.

The stats illustrate the results of socialist policies.

Wonder how long until we run out of other peoples money?



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BushMasterBoy
08-01-2013, 15:18
Let me know if a large asteroid is coming in, I want a job as a UFO test pilot...

hghclsswhitetrsh
08-01-2013, 15:20
Concerning welder/$$$$. I was an iron worker 6 years ago, certified licensed unlimited yadda yadda, I was lead man on erection crew, it together big ass cranes and pulled down $75k claimed. There is good money in it, however you couldn't pay me $150k to go back to welding. Fuck that.

spqrzilla
08-01-2013, 15:59
32. One study discovered that approximately 41 percent (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-08/cf-7mu081908.php) of all working age Americans either have medical bill problems or are currently paying off medical debt, and according to a report published in The American Journal of Medicine medical bills are a major factor in more than 60 percent (http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-05/health/bankruptcy.medical.bills_1_medical-bills-bankruptcies-health-insurance?_s=PM:HEALTH) of all personal bankruptcies in the United States.

This was Elizabeth Warren's horse manure "study". Gross exaggeration.

brianakell
08-01-2013, 16:41
Wages down, weird, theyre all over in China "that dont pay a living wage"
Employment down, yeah, know how much it costs an hour to have someone work for you, BEFORE you pay them?
Then get into OSHA and all the rest of that.
And manufacturing, yeah, cant do that, thank the EPA.

Costs, fines, legal BS employees can pull, and the fact there are so many regulations and junk to go thru to actually be compliant, just to try to avoid a fine, or several. No one can afford or wants to set up a new business.

As for self employeed, there's plenty more, theyre just working cash jobs making 15/hr instead of employee jobs at 10/hr.

roberth
08-01-2013, 18:23
Wonder how long until we run out of other peoples money?

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we were out the first time the government borrowed a nickel.

02ducky
08-01-2013, 19:19
Very sad, sobering and scary.

All empires fail at one time or another.

roberth
08-01-2013, 22:05
Very sad, sobering and scary.

All empires fail at one time or another.

yes they do. some fall harder than others. i think this one will be a hard fall because we were so big (bigger they are...etc.)

If liberals would read and correctly interpret history they'd see the path they've taken us on. They can't and don't and are so full of themselves that they won't admit to being wrong so here we are. Enjoy the ride, beware the sudden stop at the end.

Superorb
08-01-2013, 22:27
It's crazy how these clowns don't see what's coming. There's only so much we can borrow money from others, but our idiot in chief wants to raise the debt ceiling and just borrow borrow borrow.If he can do that for another few years it'll be someone else's problem. And I'm sure that person will blame Bush.

roberth
08-02-2013, 07:10
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-02/obamacare-full-frontal-953000-jobs-created-2013-77-or-731000-are-part-time

Here we go.


When the payroll report was released last month, the world finally noticed what we had been saying for nearly three years: that the US was slowly being converted to a part-time worker society. This slow conversion accelerated drastically in the last few months, and especially in June, when part time jobs exploded higher by 360K while full time jobs dropped by 240K (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-02/Last%20time%20the%20world%20finally%20noticed%20wh at%20we%20had%20been%20saying%20for%20nearly%20thr ee%20years:%20that%20the%20US%20was%20slowly%20bei ng%20converted%20to%20a%20part-time%20worker%20society.%20This%20slow%20conversio n%20accelerated%20drastically%20in%20the%20past%20 few%20months,%20and%20especially%20in%20June%20whe n%20part%20time%20jobs%20exploded%20higher%20by%20 360K%20while%20full%20time%20jobs%20dropped%20by%2 0240K.%20In%20July%20we%20are%20sad%20to%20report% 20that%20America%27s%20conversaion%20to%20a%20part-time%20worker%20society%20is%20accelerating:%20acc ording%20to%20the%20Household%20Survey,%20of%20the %20266K%20jobs%20created%20%28note%20this%20number %20differs%20from%20the%20establishment%20survey%2 9,%20only%2035%%20of%20jobs,%20or%2092K,%20were%20 full%20time.%20The%20rest%20were...%20not.). In July we are sad to report that America's conversation to a part-time worker society is accelerating: according to the Household Survey, of the 266K jobs created (note this number differs from the establishment survey), only 35% of jobs, or 92K, were full time. The rest were... not.

Ronin13
08-02-2013, 09:44
yes they do. some fall harder than others. i think this one will be a hard fall because we were so big (bigger they are...etc.)

If liberals would read and correctly interpret history they'd see the path they've taken us on. They can't and don't and are so full of themselves that they won't admit to being wrong so here we are. Enjoy the ride, beware the sudden stop at the end.
Really though, I don't think, in modern times at least, that empires fall the same way Rome, Greece, and Persia fell. We won't fall in the same way that there will be wide scale death, famine, and a hostile foreign army coming in and taking over (although you never know with China and the Blue Hats). I also think, due to the symbiotic nature of our international world today, so many rely on the US to stay afloat (We do have that with China, and where would the Saudis be without us?) that it would be in the EU and Asian markets interest to keep us afloat and spending our hard earned money on them. The other problem is, we're still #1 in a lot of vital areas in the world- oil consumption, defense exports, air travel to name a few. I don't think we'll so much as fall or fail or collapse, look at the British Empire- a shadow of it's once great former self- or the Soviet Empire- that's a bit closer to where we're headed if the left continues to rape our economy. So no, I'm not afraid of us collapsing altogether, I'm more worried about us declining to the point where it's going to be painful, but America will still exist- in a sense.

DireWolf
08-02-2013, 10:45
Really though, I don't think, in modern times at least, that empires fall the same way Rome, Greece, and Persia fell. We won't fall in the same way that there will be wide scale death, famine, and a hostile foreign army coming in and taking over (although you never know with China and the Blue Hats). I also think, due to the symbiotic nature of our international world today, so many rely on the US to stay afloat (We do have that with China, and where would the Saudis be without us?) that it would be in the EU and Asian markets interest to keep us afloat and spending our hard earned money on them. The other problem is, we're still #1 in a lot of vital areas in the world- oil consumption, defense exports, air travel to name a few. I don't think we'll so much as fall or fail or collapse, look at the British Empire- a shadow of it's once great former self- or the Soviet Empire- that's a bit closer to where we're headed if the left continues to rape our economy. So no, I'm not afraid of us collapsing altogether, I'm more worried about us declining to the point where it's going to be painful, but America will still exist- in a sense.


I'll buy some of that, but completely disagree with regard to the part about wide-scale death, etc...Our society is very different from any of the other historical examples you gave for one very important reason - we now live in a society which his largely "order-on-demand" with regard to nearly every critical resource. A catastrophic crash or failure which disrupted either food or fuel transport for even 1-2 weeks would likely result in casualties on an absolutely massive scale, caused by everything from lack of food/water/meds/etc., to the nearly instantaneous riots which would likely take place, and that doesn't even count the absolute shitstorm which would happen when they tried to control the situation via marshal law, which would most likely be the case....

Ronin13
08-02-2013, 11:22
I'll buy some of that, but completely disagree with regard to the part about wide-scale death, etc...Our society is very different from any of the other historical examples you gave for one very important reason - we now live in a society which his largely "order-on-demand" with regard to nearly every critical resource. A catastrophic crash or failure which disrupted either food or fuel transport for even 1-2 weeks would likely result in casualties on an absolutely massive scale, caused by everything from lack of food/water/meds/etc., to the nearly instantaneous riots which would likely take place, and that doesn't even count the absolute shitstorm which would happen when they tried to control the situation via marshal law, which would most likely be the case....
True- but I don't think the "compassionate" democrats in power would let the death toll exceed 10,000... Unless of course they realized how truly powerless they are and we saw the near extinction of the American Democrat as a species (Idiotus Americanus). And I could see martial law being possible in the cities, but look at places like the mountain corridor of CO, WY, MT, rural WA/ID/OR, most of TX (if they even allow it at all) etc- that would be impossible to control with how spread out things are.

gnihcraes
08-02-2013, 22:06
My brother, Diesel Mechanic and Welder, has never been unemployed for long. He can repair, weld and has the CDL. Surprisingly many mechanics don't have a CDL? Because he does, all the toys are his to drive at work.

He's also figured out why there are no Old Mechanics. He's soon to turn 50 and is pretty beat up from the job.