View Full Version : Crackdown on exploding targets in Colo. forests
mtnrider
08-05-2013, 11:32
http://www.krdo.com/news/crackdown-on-exploding-targets-in-colo-forests/-/417220/21334866/-/5hsme2z/-/index.html
I'm sure a full shooting ban is next......
I assume they only have jurisdiction on forest property so private land would still be okay?
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BREATHER
08-05-2013, 11:39
I do not have a problem with banning exploding targets in National forests. They are fun and all that shit but go start private property on fire. I spend alot of time in the forests and I would like to see them be around a few more years before the enviromental terrorists let the Pine Beetle destroy more of Colorado woodlands...
dirtrulz
08-05-2013, 11:42
To me not using exploding targets when the woods are dry is kind of obvious. If a person is dumb enough to use them on their ow n property and start a fire that leaves their property they should be liable.
mtnrider
08-05-2013, 11:48
I agree and I would never think of using a explosive target in the woods. However (and I may be way off and paranoid here) Why not ban all things that cause forest fires? No smoking, no camp fires (that may be banned now?) Propane stoves, etc. etc.
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cfortune
08-05-2013, 11:50
You guys realize exploding targets such as tannerite produce no flames right?
colorider
08-05-2013, 11:57
Shows how much people know or want to know about tannerite. No flame or heat is produced. Can not start a fire.
I knew a guy who started a fire with tannerite. Up on storm mountain by estes park. He had taken a video of it that he showed me. They were definitely idiots. I don't know if it was private or forest cause it is prett mixed up there. This was a little while before the high park fire.
dirtrulz
08-05-2013, 12:30
They have to ban them all, there is no way to know what someone is useing, they could be up there with homemade crap with gunpowder. Basically if they hear an explosion you will get a ticket. If target shooting is so boring that something needs to blow up to make it interesting then maybe its time for a new hobby. I could see it being useful on really long shots so as to not have to walk half a mile to see if it hit.
I don't know about all the exploding targets out there but tannerite does not start fires. I don't know what would happen if you mixed something else with it...might be possible then but it is not supposed to start fires in and of itself.
http://www.tannerite.com/
This strikes me as a knee jerk reaction and a stepping stone towards getting tannerite and shooting in general banned from public areas.
mtnrider
08-05-2013, 12:40
shooting in general banned from public areas.
^ That was my concern.
Like I said if there real concern is fire why are they not banning all the other things that cause forest fires?
^ That was my concern.
Like I said if there real concern is fire why are they not banning all the other things that cause forest fires?
Shooters have gotten blamed for a number of fires the last few years then the truth comes out and we were wrongly blamed. Fires started intentionally by arsonists. Sadly the media hasn't tried to exonerate us for their wrong accusations.
dirtrulz
08-05-2013, 12:50
They have pretty much banned everything that creates a flame. There are planty of exploding targets out there that can start fires. Some are home made some are not. Last year they were close to a stage three ban which bans pretty much any heat source. If it wasnt for the rain lately we would probably be in the same situation now.
Shows how much people know or want to know about tannerite. No flame or heat is produced. Can not start a fire.
It creates heat but it is akin to passing a piece of paper over a candle. You have to reach the combustion temperature before a fire can start and it happens too quick to raise the temperature to that level. I have seen orange in Tannerite explosions. My guess is that partials in the air like pollen and fine organic matter is combusting, like a grain silo explosion, but it takes a lot to catch even dry grass on fire.
sellersm
08-05-2013, 13:22
I guess they should ban exploding humans as well. Spontaneous combustion is dangerous, ya know! [Coffee]
I'n over 5 years of using Tannerite, I have NEVER see it make even the smallest spark when USED AS DIRECTED. Now stick a 1/2 pounder in a washer, dryer, microwave, a Lama's ass, and well, anything can happen. Once again, its the few that ruin it for the rest of us.
[fyou]
You guys realize exploding targets such as tannerite produce no flames right?
Challenge Accepted.
colorider
08-05-2013, 13:27
ban lightning.
cfortune
08-05-2013, 13:27
Challenge Accepted.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7070/6874536089_532509b3ab.jpg
lol this should be good.
I'm gonna need 50# of tannerite, some steel wool, a 20# bag of wood chips, some Vaseline and a Barrett
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I'm gonna need 50# of tannerite, some steel wool, a 20# bag of wood chips, some Vaseline and a Barrett
Damn, fresh out of Vaseline after Hickenlooper took all my magazines and such. The rest I can help you with.
I'm gonna need 50# of tannerite, some steel wool, a 20# bag of wood chips, some Vaseline and a Barrett
Try a bad of flour.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egfuzulxp_E
buffalobo
08-05-2013, 13:57
Try a bad of flour.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egfuzulxp_E
Is that a 10 or 20 lb bad of flour? [Poke]
No offense, just had to razz a little. [Beer]
Is that a 10 or 20 lb bad of flour? [Poke]
No offense, just had to razz a little. [Beer]
Was not me but i would try a 10lb'er for better dispersion. [Flower] [Beer]
SA Friday
08-05-2013, 14:14
[facepalm] Any blithering idiot can figure out how to make a basic mix of tannerite. The problem is there are about half a dozen others just as easy to make and are VERY exothermic. Secondly, tannerite causes enough heat and compression upon detonation that it can cause ignition of many basic burnable materials, like dry grasses or in the case of the previous video the flour. ANYTHING that pressurizes a gas (the air we breath) in a less than a part of a second can cause a fire. Fire piston anyone? PV=nRT.
BTW, we has a small fire out at Ben Lomand Gun Club the other day at the 600 yard range. Guy was shooting 62gr steel core ammo and sparked off a rock and started the grass on fire. I talked to witnesses right after it happened. I knew one of them. He knows his guns and definitely knows the difference between green tip and other ammo.
This state is a massive fire waiting to happen. If it wasn't for a couple of rain storms the last two weeks we would be is serious fire bans. Be responsible in your shooting and don't shoot any ammo or target that could start a fire. Hoser's flying budget got cut.
Thanks for that SA! I was starting to wonder where our resident chemist was to chime in on this. I do know that tannerite is relatively safe and has a very very very minute chance of starting a fire (when used properly), but again, people hear a loud boom and they always think the worst... knee jerk yes, but remember, we're not dealing with real mental powerhouses here.
cfortune
08-05-2013, 15:28
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BREATHER
08-05-2013, 15:56
"they" do ban other things in dry weather, campfires, cooking over an open fire to name a few including smoking....
JM Ver. 2.0
08-05-2013, 16:05
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/of bickering over tannerite causing fires.
Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
Why not ban all things that cause forest fires? No smoking, no camp fires (that may be banned now?) Propane stoves, etc. etc.
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They already do? There are plenty of US Forest areas that do not allow any of these things even when there is not a burn ban. Large areas of Indian Peaks for one has a permanent burn ban.
mtnrider
08-05-2013, 17:03
They already do? There are plenty of US Forest areas that do not allow any of these things even when there is not a burn ban. Large areas of Indian Peaks for one has a permanent burn ban.
That's why I put the question mark, I didn't know. I have heard temporary bans based on current conditions but had not personally heard of a permanent ban on anything.
Aloha_Shooter
08-05-2013, 20:33
Shooters have gotten blamed for a number of fires the last few years then the truth comes out and we were wrongly blamed. Fires started intentionally by arsonists. Sadly the media hasn't tried to exonerate us for their wrong accusations.
Mmm ... I'd say negligent shooters have in fact been correctly blamed in many cases. I'm not aware of any dispute that the Springer fire last year was caused by idiots shooting at propane canisters. Putting our heads in the sand about stupid things like misusing flammables in the midst of a tinderbox doesn't help us fight the gun banners.
cfortune
08-05-2013, 20:54
/of bickering over tannerite causing fires.
Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
You're right, we should talk about our feelings and bugs instead ;)
jreifsch80
08-05-2013, 21:00
Maybe they should put serial numbers on propane cans and require background checks ;)
SA Friday
08-05-2013, 21:00
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Uh, liquids are not solids and state of matter effects combustion. I've put out lighters and cigarettes in buckets of gas before.
You can roll up dried grass and stick it in a fire piston and start it on fire. you can't do that with a drop of gas. Just like compressing liquid won't cause it to get hotter like compressing gasses will.
Basically, this video is in error in it's testing methods.
10mm-man
08-05-2013, 21:02
No prob but were is the back up:" are a major cause of wildfires"
cfortune
08-05-2013, 21:08
Uh, liquids are not solids and state of matter effects combustion. I've put out lighters and cigarettes in buckets of gas before.
You can roll up dried grass and stick it in a fire piston and start it on fire. you can't do that with a drop of gas. Just like compressing liquid won't cause it to get hotter like compressing gasses will.
Basically, this video is in error in it's testing methods.
Roger that... never posted this in contest to what you wrote....
SA Friday
08-05-2013, 21:12
No prob but were is the back up:" are a major cause of wildfires"
I don't think they are really a major problem. Neither are forest rangers burning "Dear John" letters in the middle of a burn ban in Pike National Forest, but that little bitch caused the Haymen fire. You can only cover what you can cover.
I don't think they are really a major problem. Neither are forest rangers burning "Dear John" letters in the middle of a burn ban in Pike National Forest, but that little bitch caused the Haymen fire. You can only cover what you can cover.
As of 2006, the #1 cause of forest fires was humans (83%)... the rest was lightning- although lightning is responsible for the most area destruction fires. Of that, I cannot find a single figure on "shooting/shooting related" causes, most are irresponsible campfires, trash/slash burning, and industrial use in wooded areas. I imagine cigarettes could be a part of that.
colorider
08-06-2013, 10:17
I would like to see their proof that these fires were caused by off the shelf purchased targets such as tannerite. Sounds to me like they are banning a product that they know nothing about. I have a feeling that these fires were started by home made targets or propane tanks.
mtnrider
08-06-2013, 10:30
And like I thought. here we go.............
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/06/fbi-warns-exploding-targets-could-be-used-for-ieds/
"Exploding targets are popular at gun ranges, but not with federal law enforcement authorities who say the unregulated product not only has caused devastating forest fires but can also be a cheap source of bomb-making materials for extremists."
"In the past year alone, at least 16 wildfires on national forests have been associated with exploding targets, causing millions of dollars in suppression costs while threatening the safety and well-being of surrounding communities," said U.S. Forest Service Chief Tom Tidwell."
^ Would like to see the proof of that?
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colorider
08-06-2013, 10:49
Yep. Show the proof. Actually, set up some tannerite and shoot it showing it will start a forest fire. Fucking alarmist bullshit if you ask me.
Just more left wing crap plagueing the media.
I have 10# of the stuff and won't be able to use it now. That pisses me off.
BREATHER
08-06-2013, 11:29
Better to pissed off than pissed on.....
It's apparently not just CO going about it.. looks like a push by the feds.
fbi-warns-exploding-targets-could-be-used-for-ieds/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/06/fbi-warns-exploding-targets-could-be-used-for-ieds/)
colorider
08-06-2013, 11:54
Better to pissed off than pissed on.....
Well, yea. At least I got that going for me.
colorider
08-06-2013, 11:58
It's apparently not just CO going about it.. looks like a push by the feds.
fbi-warns-exploding-targets-could-be-used-for-ieds/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/06/fbi-warns-exploding-targets-could-be-used-for-ieds/)
That kind of thinking is just silly and absurd So many easily available products can be used to make an ied. Any idiot can blow something up with household products. Seems like exploding targets is the new flavor of the day. I'm shocked we have not seen a statement from the maker of Tannerite. Maybe soon we will. Can't imagine he is very happy about all this hoopla. Maybe he can explain to joe public and the other hysteria stirring asshats how the product works.
It's apparently not just CO going about it.. looks like a push by the feds. fbi-warns-exploding-targets-could-be-used-for-ieds/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/06/fbi-warns-exploding-targets-could-be-used-for-ieds/)Powder is next. One step at a time.
I have heard the "16 wildfires attributed to ..." bs a few times now. Where are these reports?
Better to pissed off than pissed on.....
I dunno- there are some pretty sick cookies out there who would disagree with you on that... [Shock] But I agree with you.
dirtrulz
08-06-2013, 12:24
Is tannerit the only off the shelf exploding target made?
http://zombieindustries.com/shop/zomboom-exploding-targets/ (http://zombieindustries.com/shop/zomboom-exploding-targets/)
Actually shows trees on fire int he background. It doesnt say what is is their product or maybe they added something to make it flame like that but I am sure some of the available targets are flammable.
SA Friday
08-06-2013, 20:02
Yep. Show the proof. Actually, set up some tannerite and shoot it showing it will start a forest fire. Fucking alarmist bullshit if you ask me.
Just more left wing crap plagueing the media.
I have 10# of the stuff and won't be able to use it now. That pisses me off.
I may have missed something, but all they can do is stop them from being set off in national forest. There isn't anything making them illegal to sell or buy or use at a private facility or land. (yet...)
colorider
08-06-2013, 22:58
I don't have any private land to shoot on. I have been shooting my tannerite on National Forest land while camping. Works great as a log splitter.
I don't have any private land to shoot on. I have been shooting my tannerite on National Forest land while camping. Works great as a log splitter.
Bah, idiot lawmakers at work trying to justify their existence through naivety.......again
I might have a solution for the private land issue forthcoming, Andy ;)
centrarchidae
08-07-2013, 17:07
I agree and I would never think of using a explosive target in the woods. However (and I may be way off and paranoid here) Why not ban all things that cause forest fires? No smoking, no camp fires (that may be banned now?) Propane stoves, etc. etc.
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Already happens in some areas. When Park County orders a fire ban, they also slam the door on smoking outside in areas not cleared, chainsaws without spark arrestors, charcoal grills, and in bad summers even fires in indoor fireplaces.
mtnrider
08-07-2013, 18:20
Already happens in some areas. When Park County orders a fire ban, they also slam the door on smoking outside in areas not cleared, chainsaws without spark arrestors, charcoal grills, and in bad summers even fires in indoor fireplaces.
Yes but those are "conditional" bans not all out, never again bans regardless of conditions. While I agree it is stupid to shoot explosive targets in the forest it just smells of "anti-gun" to me. If they were really concerned about fire they would have a ban on all things that cause them.
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