View Full Version : H&K Semi-Automatic HK SP5k (MP5K) and HK SC5SD (MP5SD) -Coming to the US Civilian Market !!!
DonnyCommo
08-06-2013, 10:27
Check it: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/08/04/hk/
From what I can tell it looks as though they'll have no excuse not to do it, but who knows WHEN they'll start importing.
HK still hates you though [ROFL1]
[AR15]
KestrelBike
08-06-2013, 10:31
It'd certainly be cool, but I'm definitely not holding my breath.
Man, if only that stupid nfa SBR nonsense would just go away.
Circuits
08-06-2013, 11:28
The SP5SD won't be available to non-SOTs, even if they let them import it. Imported NFA items have been restricted to SOT dealers since 1968.
It looks like they're planning to bring in the SP5k as a pistol, like they did the old SP89, so at least it would be available as a regular handgun.
KestrelBike
08-06-2013, 12:08
The SP5SD won't be available to non-SOTs, even if they let them import it. Imported NFA items have been restricted to SOT dealers since 1968.
It looks like they're planning to bring in the SP5k as a pistol, like they did the old SP89, so at least it would be available as a regular handgun.
Can someone shed a quick light on whether its legal to take a pistol and convert it into a full on rifle? Not talking about an SBR, but rather meeting min barrel length of 16" (via a pinned, faux silencer) and overall length of 26"?
spqrzilla
08-06-2013, 12:18
You are not going to get one, H&K hates you.
spqrzilla
08-06-2013, 12:19
Can someone shed a quick light on whether its legal to take a pistol and convert it into a full on rifle? Not talking about an SBR, but rather meeting min barrel length of 16" (via a pinned, faux silencer) and overall length of 26"?
Yes, you can take something originally manufactured as a pistol, and add barrel and stock to make it a rifle. You cannot take something that was originally manufactured as a rifle and make it a pistol. Even if the result is something that could have been originally legally manufactured as a pistol.
stoner01
08-06-2013, 12:20
You are not going to get one, H&K hates you.
Im not a huge fan of them either
DonnyCommo
08-06-2013, 12:29
You are not going to get one, H&K hates you.
HK loathes you. Kind of exciting though if you can get one in.
fullmann
08-06-2013, 12:37
Can someone shed a quick light on whether its legal to take a pistol and convert it into a full on rifle? Not talking about an SBR, but rather meeting min barrel length of 16" (via a pinned, faux silencer) and overall length of 26"?
The absolute worst part about doing that to a k gun is the barrel extension that you would need, I'll have to measure mine, but I think it needs to end up being 18"+ to meet the OAL.
Looks really stupid, and makes it bigger than an AR.
KestrelBike
08-06-2013, 12:38
The absolute worst part about doing that to a k gun is the barrel extension that you would need, I'll have to measure mine, but I think it needs to end up being 18"+ to meet the OAL.
Looks really stupid, and makes it bigger than an AR.
I honestly wouldn't mind a fixed or pinned-skeletal stock.
Thx for the info everyone!
HK motto towards civilians:
You SUCK and we HATE you!!!
Circuits
08-06-2013, 13:11
HK motto towards civilians:
You SUCK and we HATE you!!!
Cops are civilians (though many of them may not think so), and HK loves the fuck out of them.
HK motto towards civilians:
You SUCK and we HATE you!!!
Cops are civilians (though many of them may not think so), and HK loves the fuck out of them.
I was just thinking that- They hate civilians, yet they don't consider cops civilians??? Uh, do they not realize there's a difference between military and civilian law enforcement?
Cops are civilians (though many of them may not think so), and HK loves the fuck out of them.
I was just thinking that- They hate civilians, yet they don't consider cops civilians??? Uh, do they not realize there's a difference between military and civilian law enforcement?
You know that and I know that, but HK does not care about the semantics. All HK wants is their place at the trough.
Yes, you can take something originally manufactured as a pistol, and add barrel and stock to make it a rifle. You cannot take something that was originally manufactured as a rifle and make it a pistol. Even if the result is something that could have been originally legally manufactured as a pistol.
I believe the ATF backtracked on the second part of that, due to that stupid little break action rifle that you can change the caliber on quickly.
spqrzilla
08-06-2013, 18:00
Hadn't seen that Ridge, and not sure exactly what you mean by backtracked.
I mean they overturned their previous ruling about rifle to pistol conversions being illegal.
Unless this is some monumental improvement over the HK94/SP89, I don't see what the point is. A 'pistol' that is massive for it's capabilities and has a spongy trigger? -oh, goody! (disclaimer: I owned a few 89's/94's back in the 90's & don't miss 'em). I guess if someone want's to pay the stamp and put a stock on it, it'd be interesting from a nostalgia perspective but in light of CO laws, a 15rd mag in that thing won't favorably compare with any number of polymer pistols now available.
DireWolf
08-06-2013, 19:07
I wouldn't give HK a single dollar if I started shitting gold bricks.....fuck them and the horse they rode in on....
islandermyk
08-06-2013, 19:45
I'll stick to their pistols only.
Had one of'em MP5's once.... The AK74su ("lil B*tch") was the better move I made compared to that. Sh*t, the rounds to my "Lil B*tch" are cheaper to shoot til this day.
ANADRILL
08-06-2013, 20:56
Got mine already, so not worried...Wouldn't mind seeing them re-release the sl-7 though...
Yes, you can take something originally manufactured as a pistol, and add barrel and stock to make it a rifle. You cannot take something that was originally manufactured as a rifle and make it a pistol. Even if the result is something that could have been originally legally manufactured as a pistol.
Can you find this somewhere? Not disagreeing with you, I just looked for the specific wording and could not find anything on the ATF website either way. I would like to know for sure, because I have always thought that an AR lower assembled and sold as a rifle could not be turned into a pistol even with a complete parts build as a legal pistol. But I just can not find anything that supports that anywhere either way.
Circuits
08-06-2013, 22:56
Can you find this somewhere? Not disagreeing with you, I just looked for the specific wording and could not find anything on the ATF website either way. I would like to know for sure, because I have always thought that an AR lower assembled and sold as a rifle could not be turned into a pistol even with a complete parts build as a legal pistol. But I just can not find anything that supports that anywhere either way.
I can vouch for this, having read it myself at the time. ATF released some rulings or something like that in 2010 or 2011 clarifying what could be done with a pistol or a rifle.
Originally manufactured as a pistol? Can go to a rifle configuration and back to being a pistol again
Originally manufactured as a rifle? Cannot become a pistol, only an SBR.
Check the FFL newsletter, open letters to FFLs, and ATF Circulars and rulings in the google.
10mm-man
08-06-2013, 23:48
Yes, you can take something originally manufactured as a pistol, and add barrel and stock to make it a rifle. You cannot take something that was originally manufactured as a rifle and make it a pistol. Even if the result is something that could have been originally legally manufactured as a pistol.
Nor after you turn it into a rifle, you can not take it back to a pistol.
Humm: Just read the post above, not sure he is correct. However I have no document, nor am i going to look it up to find out. I believe I have really confused the situation... lol
Circuits
08-07-2013, 01:41
You guys (except spqrzilla, of course) are lazy and uninformed, and your search-fu partakes of the weakest of sauces... ATF ruling 2011-4
2nd to last part of the ruling (pistols)
Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when a pistol is attached to a part or parts designed to convert the pistol into a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and the parts are later unassembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol).
http://www.atf.gov/files/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf
DonnyCommo
08-07-2013, 06:38
You guys (except spqrzilla, of course) are lazy and uninformed, and your search-fu partakes of the weakest of sauces... ATF ruling 2011-4
2nd to last part of the ruling (pistols)
http://www.atf.gov/files/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf
the google-fu is strong in this one.
Hk has somethimg planned... A friend of mine met with the big wigs (he makes custom rifle's), and is involved with what they have planned. He won't tell me what it is though..... bastard.....
Also, just to add once more, you can make a pistol into a rifle, and then convert it back to a pistol, however you cannot convert a rifle to a pistol without paperwork.
centrarchidae
08-10-2013, 01:40
Cops are civilians (though many of them may not think so), and HK loves the fuck out of them.
That's probably the craziest thing about cops ever posted on this site. H&K hates its police customers every bit as much.
(fmr department armorer here. Dealing with H&K LE service caused my first-ever cluster headache.)
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