Gabby's real agenda

[Hound]

Not that we did not already know but here is the latest from Gabby.




Since Mark's email last week, the gun lobby has gone on television attacking the two state senators who led the fight to pass expanded background checks and a high capacity magazine ban earlier this year in Colorado.


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Simply put, stopping this recall is critical if we are going to have any chance of passing meaningful legislation to reduce gun violence in other state capitals and in Congress.


We've already begun to mobilize volunteers for the ground-game, but there's no telling how much the NRA and its backers will spend in this contest.


Let's win this one.


Gabby

Just keeping us up-to-date on the other side. We really need to win this one. What I think will be interesting is if one is defeated and the other is not. The spin games will be monumental.

[BPTactical]

Weak.
Its just not the same from her without her lisp and drooling.........

[hatidua]

If Bloomberg gets in on this, I wonder if the recall proponents can keep pace with outside money flowing in...:(

[Jmetz]

Who's organizing the party bus for all of us to go vote since we're all planning to move to the Springs and Pueblo?

[BPTactical]

Bloomberg is in on this, I wonder if the recall proponents can keep pace with outside money flowing in...:(

IFIFY

[vossman]

Weak.
Its just not the same from her without her lisp and drooling.........

Nice.

[Rucker61]

Simply put, stopping this recall is critical if we are going to have any chance of passing meaningful legislation to reduce gun violence in other state capitals and in Congress.

How much gun violence is there in Congress?

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

How much gun violence is there in Congress?

Not enough amongst themselves.

[flogger]

Nice.

While I disagree 100% with her stance and absurd statements on gun control, I'm glad she survived being shot in the head (anyone out there been shot in the head?) and hope she recovers.

She certainly is a lady of conviction and has been jumped on as a poster child by the anti-gun left, with relish I might add. She will be a big shot in the media for gun control and play it to the hilt, BUT,... she is a human being, not sure if the lisp and drool comment is appropriate. Just my opinion.

[BPTactical]

While I disagree 100% with her stance and absurd statements on gun control, I'm glad she survived being shot in the head (anyone out there been shot in the head?) and hope she recovers.

She certainly is a lady of conviction and has been jumped on as a poster child by the anti-gun left, with relish I might add. She will be a big shot in the media for gun control and play it to the hilt, BUT,... she is a human being, not sure if the lisp and drool comment is appropriate. Just my opinion.

With all due respect I disagree.
I place her right there with the leftist slime that push their agenda using the losses of souls in incidents such as Sandy Hook, Aurora, Virginia Tech, Columbine and such as their "poster children".
Their conduct is near as despicable as the vermin that commit these atrocities.
We have seen the hypocracy from her loving spouse, Mark Kelly whom while even coming to our state in his ventures to further push the agenda to restrict the rights of law abiding citizens, purchased firearms in his home state of AZ and when called out on it, lied his ass off trying to justify his actions.
Piece of shit.
And while her TBI is most unjust and unfortunate she, like any other anti refuses to acknowledge the fact that these atrocities are committed by sick individuals, not a firearm.
For her to put herself up there in the limelight and use herself to promote the agenda to infringe upon our God given rights is sickening.
To hell with her.

[TEAMRICO]

^ Well said IMO.

[flogger]

With all due respect I disagree.
I place her right there with the leftist slime that push their agenda using the losses of souls in incidents such as Sandy Hook, Aurora, Virginia Tech, Columbine and such as their "poster children".
Their conduct is near as despicable as the vermin that commit these atrocities.
We have seen the hypocracy from her loving spouse, Mark Kelly whom while even coming to our state in his ventures to further push the agenda to restrict the rights of law abiding citizens, purchased firearms in his home state of AZ and when called out on it, lied his ass off trying to justify his actions.
Piece of shit.
And while her TBI is most unjust and unfortunate she, like any other anti refuses to acknowledge the fact that these atrocities are committed by sick individuals, not a firearm.
For her to put herself up there in the limelight and use herself to promote the agenda to infringe upon our God given rights is sickening.
To hell with her.
You are spot on about her, and the Left's lopsided views of gun control. I agree that sick-os are to blame and not guns. I am as passionate as anyone about ANY politician stepping on our 2nd amendment rights, I'm just not sure I agree with her being harmed, even by a psycho. Forget the pro-con, anti-pro gun issue for a second, she is someones sister/wife/daughter/friend. Lets not go cro-magnon!

Now Hillary is another subject!!

[Jesus-With-A-.45]

With all due respect I disagree.I place her right there with the leftist slime that push their agenda using the losses of souls in incidents such as Sandy Hook, Aurora, Virginia Tech, Columbine and such as their "poster children".Their conduct is near as despicable as the vermin that commit these atrocities.We have seen the hypocracy from her loving spouse, Mark Kelly whom while even coming to our state in his ventures to further push the agenda to restrict the rights of law abiding citizens, purchased firearms in his home state of AZ and when called out on it, lied his ass off trying to justify his actions.Piece of shit.And while her TBI is most unjust and unfortunate she, like any other anti refuses to acknowledge the fact that these atrocities are committed by sick individuals, not a firearm.For her to put herself up there in the limelight and use herself to promote the agenda to infringe upon our God given rights is sickening.To hell with her.http://images.wikia.com/glee/images/3/38/Orson-welles-clapping.gif

[newracer]

Has anyone even ever seen her say more than just a few words? It wouldn't surprise me if she doesn't even know what is going on and her husband and others are just using her.

[BPTactical]

Forget the pro-con, anti-pro gun issue for a second, she is someones sister/wife/daughter/friend. Lets not go cro-magnon!


Cro-Magnon, no.
But I will go Medival.

Sympathy is right between Shit and Syphilis according to the 1st edition of Paynes Dictionary.
I have absolutely no compassion whatsoever for these anti constitutional slags.
I remind you, look at some of the vile sewage that has spewed from their Bloomy and Beebo scum guzzling mouths in regards to the firearms issue.
Why our lovely senate majority leader hisself uttered if not exact, these words: "Gun owners are a sickness on our soul, and cleaning them from our souls is ugly."
And one is to garner sympathy for that side just how?
We are in a battle for our rights.
Show sympathy in a battle and you die.

[Kraven251]

^^This, exactly this.

[kidicarus13]

Has anyone even ever seen her say more than just a few words? It wouldn't surprise me if she doesn't even know what is going on and her husband and others are just using her.

Posted it before and posting it again:

Gabby is only an anti-gun figurehead now that she is unable to formulate completed sentences. Unable to construct more than 3 sensible words together the other anti-gunners use her as a true pawn. "Gabby... you smile in the background and we'll speak on your behalf."

[JVC]

Personal attacks on a sympathetic figure like Gabby will not win friends or change minds. For us 2A supporters, we know how she is being used and manipulated by the political class on the left. However, if we are going to bring more people to our side and win the long-term battle then we need to elevate our game and stay focused on the principles of freedom, liberty and Self government. The personal attacks make us look small, angry and heartless. Truth is, 2A supporters are the opposite and it benefits us to recognize her physical suffering at the hand of an armed lunatic and work to ensure the acts of a tiny and literally crazy minority do not jeopardize the 2A for us all.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Well said, BPTactical. I agree.
And I would disagree that these are personal acts on Gabby (the drool and lisp comment excepted). They are directed right at her actions and motives.
If that is off limits, well...I don't know where you can go from there.

[Madeinhb]

Personal attacks on a sympathetic figure like Gabby will not win friends or change minds. For us 2A supporters, we know how she is being used and manipulated by the political class on the left. However, if we are going to bring more people to our side and win the long-term battle then we need to elevate our game and stay focused on the principles of freedom, liberty and Self government. The personal attacks make us look small, angry and heartless. Truth is, 2A supporters are the opposite and it benefits us to recognize her physical suffering at the hand of an armed lunatic and work to ensure the acts of a tiny and literally crazy minority do not jeopardize the 2A for us all.

Unfortunately the anti gun left does not understand logic or facts. They through name calling out and emotion because that's what their people understand.

[Hound]

Personal attacks on a sympathetic figure like Gabby will not win friends or change minds. For us 2A supporters, we know how she is being used and manipulated by the political class on the left. However, if we are going to bring more people to our side and win the long-term battle then we need to elevate our game and stay focused on the principles of freedom, liberty and Self government. The personal attacks make us look small, angry and heartless. Truth is, 2A supporters are the opposite and it benefits us to recognize her physical suffering at the hand of an armed lunatic and work to ensure the acts of a tiny and literally crazy minority do not jeopardize the 2A for us all.

We all agree that Gabby is wrong. JVC is on target. Let me tell you... Both sides feel the same about each other "Unfortunately the anti gun left does not understand logic or facts". I think that it may be worth it to read many of the comments on this thread and look at them from the other side. Again, I don't agree with anything Gabby (and her husband) are doing. It pissed me off that somebody from out of state was allowed to talk and get all the publicity while NONE of us even got our 3 min to be ignored at the so called 'public' hearings. I also think that many of our statements in this thread and others could be used "out of context" to construe us all as very insensitive. This whole thing reeks of using a human shield and the sad fact is we lose either way if we are not smart in our approach.

[Aloha_Shooter]

^^^

Agreed. Poking fun at her is like the hard core libs who made fun of Reagan after he announced his Alzheimer's diagnosis.

[JVC]

We must become more effective at persuasion, if we are going to gain ground on 2A and roll back laws that are not only ineffective, but actually dangerous. I do not have all the answers, but I do know that to convince and persuade we need to find new messages that connect with enough people who are still centrists on the issue. Some messages that come to mind are (a) self-defense (men and women of all political parties should have this right), (b) how can you trust this government with guns if you can not trust it with the financial markets, wars of empire and spying on citizens?, and (c) all mass shootings have crazy people in common - how can we get to them before they act on murderous compulsions?

[centrarchidae]

What she's being used for is reprehensible.

Giffords, OTOH, has about as much control as where she goes and how she's posed as does my 10-month-old daughter. I honestly don't think that she has Clue One about what's being done in her name.

Mark Kelly, on the other hand, is a vile human being, who knows exactly what he is doing, and he can and should fatally choke on an entire burlap sack of detached male genitalia.

[DavieD55]

Originally Posted by BPTactical
With all due respect I disagree.I place her right there with the leftist slime that push their agenda using the losses of souls in incidents such as Sandy Hook, Aurora, Virginia Tech, Columbine and such as their "poster children".Their conduct is near as despicable as the vermin that commit these atrocities.We have seen the hypocracy from her loving spouse, Mark Kelly whom while even coming to our state in his ventures to further push the agenda to restrict the rights of law abiding citizens, purchased firearms in his home state of AZ and when called out on it, lied his ass off trying to justify his actions.Piece of shit.And while her TBI is most unjust and unfortunate she, like any other anti refuses to acknowledge the fact that these atrocities are committed by sick individuals, not a firearm.For her to put herself up there in the limelight and use herself to promote the agenda to infringe upon our God given rights is sickening.To hell with her.


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[Singlestack]

I've heard Giffords speak several times, and don't believe she is really aware of how she is being used. She didn't speak the quotes being attributed to her, at least I don't think so. Her husband is a sympathetic anti, and is willing to have her used as the national symbol of the anti-gun movement. He is a genuine piece of crap.

[Ronin13]

I have no respect or sympathy for someone who stands on a podium with their victim card held high, wearing their victim title on their sleeve and calling for MY rights to defend myself and my family to be restricted or "reasonably" altered. They have no right to decide for me what I do and do not need. If they do not wish to utilize the means to defend themselves that is their decision, however, when they decide to make decisions on my behalf, without my input or consent they have crossed a line. When they exert pressure and money toward law makers to restrict inalienable and inherent rights that go against the Constitution and the very ideals this nation was founded upon, they no longer are deserving of being treated as good or decent human beings. I regard people like this in the same way as those who would enable or allow tyrants like Pol Pot, Hitler, and Stalin to do the things they did, or even in the same regard as those tyrants. So no, Mark Kelly and those who buy into his bullshit- and if she knows what's going on and agrees with it (we may never know for sure), Gabby too- can go straight to hell and/or play in traffic for all I care.

[sniper7]

She is simply being used as a puppet. Just like the kids at Newtown, the people of aurora, columbine, etc. all are tragic. What is more tragic is they will not let these people heal and will continue to use them to advance their agenda,

[BPTactical]

Some may see my comments as heartless and in poor taste.
Too bad so sad.
When one makes the decision to step into the public spotlight and whore themselves out for any reason that has the potential to harm innocents let alone the unjust and unwarranted attacks on firearms owners and our Constitutional rights, I shall have no quarter.
May she drown in her drool.

[buffalobo]

Some may see my comments as heartless and in poor taste.
Too bad so sad.
When one makes the decision to step into the public spotlight and whore themselves out for ANY reason, let alone the unjust and unwarranted attacks on firearms owners and our Constitutional rights, I shall have no quarter.
May she drown in her drool.

Spot on as usual. :beer:

Sent from my electronic ball and chain.

[SamuraiCO]

If you're the type of husband who will drag your wife into the spotlight for a cause then be willing to take the heat for her comments, stance, beliefs. Be prepared for the opposition to fight back. In war it is not pretty and this is war. There have been sick and twisted individuals who have personally or collectively inflicted their evil on fellow humans throughout history. Using firearms are just one "tool" and removal of that tool will not stop the violence. Removing the sickness will.

[DOC]

I don't feel bad for her at all. I don't even dislike was she is saying. If she is really saying it. I don't put any stock into it either. She has been shot in the head for crying out loud. Is she really someone that you want to follow over a cliff saying she has sound judgement on this and a lot of other subjects. Its just sad that some people are using her to push their own agenda. Her husband for example is using his fucked up wife for the money or fame and I don't think he cares about this issue one bit. He is just riding the gravy train until its over and he will most likely take the money and run. He's a sociopath dick and she is a drooling idiot that shouldn't be listen to. But I would still take her if Obama would step down and put her in place instead.

[68Charger]

I'm sorry she was shoot by a liberal nutcase...

Why aren't they trying to ban liberal nutjobs?

[Aloha_Shooter]

I don't think anyone on this board is sympathetic to her message. What some of us are saying is that making fun of her, saying anything derogatory about her, is both stooping to the level of Democrats/Socialists/Nihilists and counter-productive with those who still haven't made up their minds or who might be persuaded to our side of the gun control arguments. Listen to them spew their bile (if you can stomach it -- if not, just walk away) then calmly point out the fallacies and misrepresentations of the facts. Trust me, the gun control fascists get even more irate when you calmly refute their arguments without resorting to insults or emotionalism. It's fun to watch them screw themselves into the ceiling as you recite facts they can't rebut.

[Hound]

I don't think anyone on this board is sympathetic to her message. What some of us are saying is that making fun of her, saying anything derogatory about her, is both stooping to the level of Democrats/Socialists/Nihilists and counter-productive with those who still haven't made up their minds or who might be persuaded to our side of the gun control arguments. Listen to them spew their bile (if you can stomach it -- if not, just walk away) then calmly point out the fallacies and misrepresentations of the facts. Trust me, the gun control fascists get even more irate when you calmly refute their arguments without resorting to insults or emotionalism. It's fun to watch them screw themselves into the ceiling as you recite facts they can't rebut.

^^^ This is spot on!

[battle_sight_zero]

Has anyone even ever seen her say more than just a few words? It wouldn't surprise me if she doesn't even know what is going on and her husband and others are just using her.

That is what I feel. In addition the Bradys are getting old, time for a new poster child. Also a few weeks I saw a post somewhere that said if you took all the gun related violence stats related to Chicago, LA,Detroit,and New York City out of the UN tracking data that United States would be next to last on the list for so called violence. I cant find anything about this but if any member reading has something that supports this please share. Good ammo to have for the fight.


In regards to being respectful, yes I feel bad for what happened to her and I wont make of her. However when it comes to the conflict with liberal masses we cant be passive debaters. Its there way or the highway. We have to stand firm and not compromise. In addition a government should fear its citizens.....

[flogger]

This whole Gilfords subject is a good example of how some of the Forum feels, I'm guessing myself and 99% out there oppose the entire gun control issue and the Gilford anti-gun tour, they are using her to make a point, shame be gone, thats the way they do it!
Do any of you think she would have been better off dead? This lady was at a grass roots (parking lot) venue for Congressional communication/support and gets shot in the head by a crazy Lib whos not even in the news anymore. She survives and the Vampires take over to use her to their advantage. I have no idea what it's like to be shot in the head and asked the same of the group in my first reply to this post. No replies to that question and I'm glad. Not a good place to be for anyone, including Brady.
I'm not sure if gun control was part of her planned speech 2 years ago or not, anyone else know?
I think it's important to separate one's emotions and political ideals when it comes to a response to a subject as hot as this one. This lady (I do NOT like her) was doing something she believed in, in a setting that few Congressmen would ever THINK of doing BY BEING IN PUBLIC. Give her a break as a person, she did not want to be here, like this, today.

[mdflem51]

She sends her days making little statues out of her turds. If Capt.Kelly needs more money to supplement his O6 and NASA pensions.. sell them on Ebay!

[Shiro]

She makes a good point, recalling these idiots is critical if we want to pass meaningful legislation to combat anti-gun prejudice in our home state