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What do you think about it?
http://gregforgovernor.com/
Here is what he told me in an email
If I'm Governor and we have a Republican legislature, we will roll back the gun control bills passed last session in the first two weeks.
If I'm Governor and we don't have a Republican legislature, I will still do everything I can to roll back the worst of the bills passed last session.
Greg B.
Candidate for Governor of a free Colorado=
I even donated some money to his campaign and offered to put up a yard sign. Is he on the level or just another politician that has been in power to long and needs to come down in the real world a while?
lowspeed_highdrag
08-10-2013, 18:40
Brophy fought like a madman for our rights. He would have my vote.
I'm really torn. I've been a big supporter of Brophy since the gun law debates, but at the same time, I'm a longer fan of Tancredo.
He is a solid supporter. I'll definitely vote for him.
wctriumph
08-10-2013, 19:34
I'll vote for him, unless someone better comes along or he gets killed.
I think Greg may be more electable than Tom, given Tom's baggage from previous elections and his time in the House. I'm interested to hear Greg's positions on other issues, as he is solid on the 2nd. Hopefully he's not so far right on social issues so as to lose the middle of the road voters. I think a strong fiscal conservative, supporter of personal rights AND personal responsibility, that can avoid alienating the moderates would be the ideal candidate.
centrarchidae
08-10-2013, 19:56
I think that if he's as pro-TABOR as he is pro-gun (met him at the Capitol day. He is very much on our side WRT guns) then I like him just fine.
Nothing against Tancredo - I voted for him without having to think too hard about it when he was in the House and I was in his district, and again when he ran for Guv against Hickenloser and the Gang-of-Four-handpicked-Republican, but he's damaged goods with too many of the unaffiliated voters at this point.
DavieD55
08-10-2013, 20:32
I believe Tom T would turn out to be a rino for D.C. buddy points. Brophy wont back down to barry and his gangsta friends.
Plus Brophy would be better suited for rural Colorado.
newracer
08-10-2013, 21:20
I will be voting for him.
tmleadr03
08-10-2013, 21:33
He seriously married up (wife is way out of his league). That says a lot for his political negotiation skills. He is also a gun rights supporter. This is a good combination.
stoner01
08-10-2013, 21:41
Hes getting my vote. If he had the balls to say Will Not Comply on the floor during the debates, well, Hes a pretty good guy.
thedave1164
08-10-2013, 21:42
Brophy is GTG in my book, as is Tancredo.
Tancredo has never flip flopped on any issue that I am aware of, and while he may have some baggage, he is still a stand up guy, I have to disagree with the gentleman from Longmont, I do not believe TT would turn Rino
stoner01
08-10-2013, 21:50
Nevermind I was looking at Brophy's site. He drives a prius.......[fail]
Just kidding
the prius could be a dealbreaker. i hate that fucking car. from the liberal ass commercials to the majority of its owners.
not really a deal breaker...but I really do hate that car.
lowspeed_highdrag
08-11-2013, 00:36
the prius could be a dealbreaker. i hate that fucking car. from the liberal ass commercials to the majority of its owners.
not really a deal breaker...but I really do hate that car.
http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/gas-savings-decal/
My engineering hero Earl Pittman (Owner of IWC) drives a Prius and shoots more rounds than I ever will...
Oh, and I am pretty sure Greg Brophy is a member here.
stoner01
08-11-2013, 00:50
Yeah but at east Earl drives a mustang too.
And if Senator Brophy is a member...[Wave]
BPTactical
08-11-2013, 07:15
I think Greg may be more electable than Tom, given Tom's baggage from previous elections and his time in the House. I'm interested to hear Greg's positions on other issues, as he is solid on the 2nd. Hopefully he's not so far right on social issues so as to lose the middle of the road voters. I think a strong fiscal conservative, supporter of personal rights AND personal responsibility, that can avoid alienating the moderates would be the ideal candidate.
This.
Brophy stood in the face of overwhelming opposition and held the line in a passionate yet tactful way.
He shows conviction.
Tancredo while having conviction as well comes off as a radical and extreme righty.
http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/gas-savings-decal/
My engineering hero Earl Pittman (Owner of IWC) drives a Prius and shoots more rounds than I ever will...
Oh, and I am pretty sure Greg Brophy is a member here.
Stickers like that are a must on a prius. If not it is common knowledge you are a hippy liberal douche as a Prius owner.
I love the idea of saving gas and money but I will never stoop low enough to buy a Prius. I'd rather have a TDI jetta or Passat or the Chevy volt.
DonnyCommo
08-11-2013, 07:31
Brophy is a member on one of the pages I help run on facebook as well as most of our senators who stood up for us during the debates. My only fear with tancredo is his baggage, otherwise he would have my vote.
Ill be standing with Greg myself.
Now if Senator Brophy could convince Terry Maketa to run as his Lt. Governor...[Score]
tmleadr03
08-11-2013, 08:30
Stickers like that are a must on a prius. If not it is common knowledge you are a hippy liberal douche as a Prius owner.
I love the idea of saving gas and money but I will never stoop low enough to buy a Prius. I'd rather have a TDI jetta or Passat or the Chevy volt.
The volts were catching on fire. Exploding batteries. Not to mention GM. Ick.
stoner01
08-11-2013, 08:33
yeah definitely go with the Vdub
Great-Kazoo
08-11-2013, 08:34
The volts were catching on fire. Exploding batteries. Not to mention GM. Ick.
S7 is a pilot, that should show his love for electronic crap. That landing gear light on again?
Aloha_Shooter
08-11-2013, 08:41
I liked Tancredo when he was in Congress but have found him annoying since then. Right now, I'm leaning toward Brophy.
screagle2
08-11-2013, 09:59
If you haven't, I would suggest having a lengthy discussion with Greg, before making a decision. I strongly Agee with his position on gun control, but on others, he is all over the board. When pressed on other issues his arguments are often solely emotion based, and provide little for serious discussion. Remember we have many, many important issues coming along, and to base your votes solely on gun control, may bring more serious problems.
It may be that Greg or Tancredo are our only via LE choices, but thorough discussion is of the utmost importance.
He is also going to push for a permitless CCW. Talk about a guy that is better for Colorado then Hickenlooper. There will be even less chance of a Theater shooting or Columbine shooting if there is good chance everyone could be armed and one will get shot before he can rack up a big body count.
Yes he drives a Prius and ride a bike too and drinks wine. ick. But its not a deal breaker for me. Just sounds like he can't afford gas and beer.
The volts were catching on fire. Exploding batteries. Not to mention GM. Ick.
Yeah but the throttles stuck on the Prius killing quite a few people. I'd rather be on fire able to jump out and watch it burn then be unable to control speed and shut it down!
A Colorado gov should have
A truck big ole gas guzzling mofo
A gun rack in the window with a couple of guns in it
Wear a cowboy hat and boots
Hunt
Spit chew
Kick illegals out twice, then send em home in a body bag after that
Fence off Boulder and let the Cali nuts live there with limited access to the rest of the state.
Ban bicycles everywhere but on designated trails and on designated areas of the road designed for them, if there is no area fine em 1000.00 for tresspassing on roadways.
Let the gays marry just don't let em rejoice on the tube, and have their own gay pride day withou me having my hetero gun toting, honky ass day.
I got more...
Had the opportunity (and honor) of meeting him and chatting with him for about 2 min at the Farewell To Arms Freedom thing in Glendale at the end of June... stand up guy. Wasn't familiar with him (he's not in my district) before the anti-freedom legislation crap started, so it was refreshing to hear from a CO politician who loves guns, freedom, and is very well spoken. He'll get my vote if he actually runs- and I think thus far he's the best candidate yet! [Beer]
SamuraiCO
08-11-2013, 17:46
Going to be interesting next election. Either we win back the Gov and both houses or we will be spinning our wheels or moving further left. I hope with the left coming back, again asking for more taxes for schools instead of fully enjoying the revenue from gas and oil production that the good thinking people of CO kick their sorry asses out of office.
Have to watch out for voter fraud.
Cylinder Head
08-11-2013, 21:47
Love Brophy, he would absolutely get my vote.
speedysst
10-03-2013, 21:01
Well I just met him during a meeting of the Meeker Sportsmans Club and I am very impressed. When a question was asked, he gave an honest answer, not what the questioner wanted to hear. This is more important to me than having the same position. Id rather have someone who isnt a kiss ass. If you get a chance, talk to this guy.
hurley842002
10-03-2013, 21:40
Well I just met him during a meeting of the Meeker Sportsmans Club and I am very impressed. When a question was asked, he gave an honest answer, not what the questioner wanted to hear. This is more important to me than having the same position. Id rather have someone who isnt a kiss ass. If you get a chance, talk to this guy.
Good to know!
So what was the question......?
Have to watch out for voter fraud.
Do poll workers have any recourse when they see obvious fraud? We know someone can walk in say they live at X and fill out a ballot. Can they then walk out & back in to the same location, say they live at Y and get another ballot? Are poll workers required to give them another in that case? Can they even call the police?
The volts were catching on fire. Exploding batteries. Not to mention GM. Ick.
Telsa catches on fire now too
http://i.imgur.com/KCHsEtY.jpg?1
speedysst
10-04-2013, 15:10
It had to do with marijuana. I think the guy asking the question wanted to repeal that Amendment but Brophy said he was for more freedom and if 55% of the people voted for MJ, then thats the way it goes. Brophy simply said that he would have to continue to be a good parent to keep his son away from it.
Good to know!
So what was the question......?
DavieD55
10-04-2013, 15:23
Do poll workers have any recourse when they see obvious fraud? We know someone can walk in say they live at X and fill out a ballot. Can they then walk out & back in to the same location, say they live at Y and get another ballot? Are poll workers required to give them another in that case? Can they even call the police?
Notify the Secretary of States office.
hurley842002
02-15-2014, 15:20
http://gregforgovernor.com/gunclub-giveaway
Just posted on FB
How many Greg Brophy threads do we need? I like the guy and all but the L&P section is full of them.
ChunkyMonkey
02-15-2014, 19:24
How many Greg Brophy threads do we need? I like the guy and all but the L&P section is full of them.
Come down Ahpooh.. this is one of the oldest threads on the topic! [Beer]
hurley842002
02-15-2014, 19:41
Come down Ahpooh.. this is one of the oldest threads on the topic! [Beer]
Yup, I was just trying to re bump the most relevant thread to post the link in. Next time I'll just start a new thread....
Doh! [zombie1] thread got me.
Brophy has endorsed Beauprez.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=773497196017552&set=a.442257142474894.102722.442140699153205&type=1&theater
wctriumph
05-12-2014, 17:32
Brophy has endorsed Beauprez.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=773497196017552&set=a.442257142474894.102722.442140699153205&type=1&theater
Yep, just heard this on the radio today.
TEA
III
BPTactical
05-12-2014, 17:37
Once again, the dumbass GOP is going to give away another election.
I really like Brophy... but I fear that his stance on abortion will kill him at the polls.
Pro life or pro choice, it is easy to see that a republican that is very outspokenly pro life is almost impossible to elect in a swing state. It is what it is, and if we want to win back control of the state, we need someone who will understand that.
In my mind, you have to pick your battles, and they should be the ones you can win. If we keep forfeiting elections on a few key moral issues we will be worse off. Even for those that are very pro life.... I have to figure that getting 80% of what you want is far better than getting absolutely nothing.
That said, he will still have my vote every day of the week.
Once again, the dumbass GOP is going to give away another election.
Yup.
HoneyBadger
05-12-2014, 17:47
Once again, the dumbass GOP is going to give away another election.
Yup.
Yup.
Crap... should have read through before posting. So Brophy is officially bailing out of the race with his endorsement I'm guessing?
buffalobo
05-12-2014, 17:52
Once again, the dumbass GOP is going to give away another election.
For this week's play of the week, Republican party of Colorado keeps their good ol' boys club intact and snatches another defeat from the jaws of victory.
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funkymonkey1111
05-12-2014, 17:56
Crap... should have read through before posting. So Brophy is officially bailing out of the race with his endorsement I'm guessing?
brophy hasn't been in the race for some time.
Beauprez is NOT what we need. I hope like hell the GOP pulls its collective head out of its ass and gives us an electable candidate. Even then, Lickenpooper will try to campaign as a moderate and a fiscal conservative, and the media will eat that shit up.
Aloha_Shooter
05-12-2014, 18:30
Brophy has endorsed Beauprez.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=773497196017552&set=a.442257142474894.102722.442140699153205&type=1&theater
WTH, I liked Brophy until this. Beauprez is the next-to-last thing we need on the ballot against Hickenlooper.
balyon885
05-12-2014, 18:31
That sucks, I liked Brophy.
wctriumph
05-12-2014, 18:57
Well, on June 24 we will have a chance to keep Beauprez out of office. We still have a choice, don't give up hope.
When I see things like this, it makes it apparent to me that neither party has a clue and we're all being taken for a ride.
This country needs an enema.
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HoneyBadger
05-12-2014, 19:44
When I see things like this, it makes it apparent to me that neither party has a clue and we're all being taken for a ride.
I disagree. The party members are all in on it. It's the majority of Americans that don't have a clue and are being taken for a ride...
What the hell have I been giving money to if he's not in the race?
Petitioners at Walmart asked me to sign to get Beauperez on the ballot a month or two ago. I told the lady I wasn't signing because he doesn't have a chance and having him on the ballot will only split the vote and end in defeat. She should have listened.
Great-Kazoo
05-12-2014, 20:51
Brophy has endorsed Beauprez.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=773497196017552&set=a.442257142474894.102722.442140699153205&type=1&theater
Yep, just heard this on the radio today.
TEA
III
Once again, the dumbass GOP is going to give away another election.
Been saying this since blowprey announced he was in the running.
I disagree. The party members are all in on it.
Ah, so you're suggesting that these politicians that can't agree on anything, do anything effective for decades, or keep a secret about anything, are in a secret, massive, and effective conspiracy together.
Bailey Guns
05-13-2014, 07:04
Ah, so you're suggesting that these politicians that can't agree on anything, do anything effective for decades, or keep a secret about anything, are in a secret, massive, and effective conspiracy together.
Seems to me the republicans in the legislature did a pretty good job (under the circumstances) against the dems when last year's gun control measures were being considered. They pretty much came together and agreed the proposed laws were wrong.
Frankly I think it's republican/conservative voters that can't come together. They always want the perfect candidate and it's never gonna happen. Liberals and democrats rally around a single candidate (once it's down to a single person) and that's who they vote for without all the pissing and moaning about single issues. They get out and vote for the D candidate. I wish republicans would do that instead of bitching about why their candidate isn't perfect.
While I admired Brophy's stand against the gun laws last year, he didn't kill his chances with his stance on abortion. He killed his chances with his stance on illegals. That was the deal killer with me and apparently others as he failed to make the ballot. Brophy has been out of the governor's race since mid-April.
hurley842002
05-13-2014, 07:21
What the hell have I been giving money to if he's not in the race?
No offense, but how can you be paying enough attention to give money, but not know he didn't make the race?
Perhaps I should have clarified that I was speaking of the federal government.
The fight is still on at the state level. I wish the Republican party leaders in this state could find their way past the same old retreads.
I just can't figure out why the social issues are such a big partisan focus. There is so much that is broken that paying attention to what really matters leaves no time for expeditions into the morass of social issues.
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Great-Kazoo
05-13-2014, 07:30
Perhaps I should have clarified that I was speaking of the federal government.
The fight is still on at the state level. I wish the Republican party leaders in this state could find their way past the same old retreads.
I just can't figure out why the social issues are such a big partisan focus. There is so much that is broken that paying attention to what really matters leaves no time for expeditions into the morass of social issues.
Sent from my electronic leash.
Part of that equation is the D's and their "attack" ad's. Insert R of choice VOTED TO CONDEMN WOMAN'S RIGHTS.. VOTED WITH BIG OIL blah, blah blah.
They spend too much time defending a position instead of going on the offensive and moving the focus on other things, like the Economy, Jobs.
No offense, but how can you be paying enough attention to give money, but not know he didn't make the race?
No offense taken. It automatically debited it. I stopped it the end of last month when he released a questionable statement about "common sense" gun laws. Sounded like he might be a bait and switch guy like they all are.
Seems to me the republicans in the legislature did a pretty good job (under the circumstances) against the dems when last year's gun control measures were being considered. They pretty much came together and agreed the proposed laws were wrong.
Frankly I think it's republican/conservative voters that can't come together. They always want the perfect candidate and it's never gonna happen. Liberals and democrats rally around a single candidate (once it's down to a single person) and that's who they vote for without all the pissing and moaning about single issues. They get out and vote for the D candidate. I wish republicans would do that instead of bitching about why their candidate isn't perfect.
While I admired Brophy's stand against the gun laws last year, he didn't kill his chances with his stance on abortion. He killed his chances with his stance on illegals. That was the deal killer with me and apparently others as he failed to make the ballot. Brophy has been out of the governor's race since mid-April.
Emphasis.
Romney endorsed Beauprez ...
doubles our changes of losing?
Romney endorsed Beauprez ...
doubles our changes of losing?
Of course he did. The Establishment GOP is taking over the race and they'll put whatever unoffensive, limp-dick, PC pansy they can find in the race.
Bailey Guns
05-13-2014, 08:21
Some of you guys need to ask yourselves who you'd rather see as governor...Hickenlooper or the eventual republican candidate (even if it's Beauprez)?
Hickenlooper is a strong candidate and he's gonna be tough to beat. The republican candidate, regardless of who it is, is going to need every republican vote in the state to beat Hickenlooper. So you can either whine about "choice of evils" or "I don't like the republican candidate because he isn't perfect" or "abortion" or whatever and "vote your conscience" and get Hickenlooper elected or you can vote for the republican candidate. It's that simple whether you like it or not.
Because don't forget...your "choice of evils" is also going to include Hickenlooper.
And with a very good chance of winning the house and senate in the state this year, we can either put Hickenlooper back in office or come together and vote for the alternative. Of course, if you "vote your conscience" and vote for a libertarian candidate or whomever, you'll have the luxury of bitching about Hickenlooper for another 4 years.
Bailey Guns
05-13-2014, 08:22
I must be the only one who hasn't resigned myself to the fact Beauprez is going to be the republican candidate. I'm still hoping for, and supporting, Kopp.
Frankly I think it's republican/conservative voters that can't come together. They always want the perfect candidate and it's never gonna happen. Liberals and democrats rally around a single candidate (once it's down to a single person) and that's who they vote for without all the pissing and moaning about single issues. They get out and vote for the D candidate. I wish republicans would do that instead of bitching about why their candidate isn't perfect.
The issue in Colorado is winning over the Independents.. When you look at the break up of voters in Colorado and who they support neither the registered Reps nor the registered Dems can do it by themselves. Your candidate has to have appeal outside the party and it's a lot more than just supporting them just because they are the chosen one.
I like Kopp personally, I think he will have way more appeal to the indys plus the fact that he has little to no baggage.
That said.. Romney has now endorsed Beauprez.. The Reps can kiss this one goodbye.
Colorado voter registration: Both sides need to tap that 35% slice of the pie.. Hicky is going to do a better job at it than Beauprez that's for sure..
http://jamesviser.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/All_Pie.jpg
What's Bob breupreys politics? Is he lap dog like Hickenlooper or pro freedom like nobody in 200 years?
Bailey Guns
05-13-2014, 08:55
The issue in Colorado is winning over the Independents.. When you look at the break up of voters in Colorado and who they support neither the registered Reps nor the registered Dems can do it by themselves. Your candidate has to have appeal outside the party and it's a lot more than just supporting them just because they are the chosen one.
I like Kopp personally, I think he will have way more appeal to the indys plus the fact that he has little to no baggage.
That said.. Romney has now endorsed Beauprez.. The Reps can kiss this one goodbye.
Colorado voter registration: Both sides need to tap that 35% slice of the pie.. Hicky is going to do a better job at it than Beauprez that's for sure..
http://jamesviser.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/All_Pie.jpg
I don't necessarily disagree. And I think it reinforces my position that republicans will need every single republican vote possible to win. Because the dems are going to get virtually all of their dem votes and a good portion of the unaffiliated votes.
Mike Kopp, age 46
http://www.coloradoforkopp.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Kopp
Bob Beauprez, age 65
http://www.bobbeauprez.com/intro#firstPage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Beauprez
Scott Gessler, age 49
http://www.scottgessler.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Gessler (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FScott_G essler&ei=NDNyU8HdNc-ZlQWXnIDQDw&usg=AFQjCNF37P4PVgLu9t0aeVwjNfCAZA43Lw&bvm=bv.66699033,d.dGI)
Why did Greg Brophy quit the race?
Zundfolge
05-13-2014, 09:11
The issue in Colorado is winning over the Independents.
http://jamesviser.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/All_Pie.jpg
The problem with this "OMG WE GOTS TO WIN TEH INDEPENDENTS!" notion is that despite the fact that in that pie chart they're all together in one segment and all the same color, "The Independents" or the "Unaffiliated" voters are not a monolithic group that agrees on everything (or even anything). And they're not just the "mushy moderate middle ground" between Republican (conservative) and Democrat (liberal).
"The Independents" are everything from anarcho-capitalist libertarians to Marxists and all sorts of weirdos and freaks that believe things like Reptilian Joos rule the world via the Illumaniti and Walmart and that doesn't count the large segment of "independents" that have zero interest in politics and don't/won't vote.
There is no way to appeal to all "independents" (or for that matter even most). Focus on unifying your base and you win.
Why did Greg Brophy quit the race?
He didn't garner the necessary 30% at the Republican State Assembly.
mtnrider
05-13-2014, 09:53
http://jamesviser.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/All_Pie.jpg
I wonder what impact this might have? I have not completely read all the details yet but remember hearing it on the news this morning.
http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Notices-Sent-to-Unaffiliated-Voters-Ahead-of-Primary-Election-258925101.html
Registered voters who are not affiliated with a major political party will be getting a notice in the mail reminding them that in order to participate in the upcoming primary election, they will have to declare a major party affiliation.
I wonder what impact this might have? I have not completely read all the details yet but remember hearing it on the news this morning.
http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Notices-Sent-to-Unaffiliated-Voters-Ahead-of-Primary-Election-258925101.html
Nothing has changed. You have always had to be a declared affiliate to vote in the primary.
Aloha_Shooter
05-13-2014, 10:24
Some of you guys need to ask yourselves who you'd rather see as governor...Hickenlooper or the eventual republican candidate (even if it's Beauprez)?
Hickenlooper is a strong candidate and he's gonna be tough to beat. The republican candidate, regardless of who it is, is going to need every republican vote in the state to beat Hickenlooper. So you can either whine about "choice of evils" or "I don't like the republican candidate because he isn't perfect" or "abortion" or whatever and "vote your conscience" and get Hickenlooper elected or you can vote for the republican candidate. It's that simple whether you like it or not.
Because don't forget...your "choice of evils" is also going to include Hickenlooper.
And with a very good chance of winning the house and senate in the state this year, we can either put Hickenlooper back in office or come together and vote for the alternative. Of course, if you "vote your conscience" and vote for a libertarian candidate or whomever, you'll have the luxury of bitching about Hickenlooper for another 4 years.
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I'm no fan of Beauprez and Brophy's endorsement has me scratching my head but let's face it, any candidate you agree with 100% (if there is such a thing) is going to piss off roughly 80% of the non-Democrat voters with 10-20% of his or her stances. I don't see why so many people seem to think it's okay to let someone they disagree with 80% of the time get the office because they only agree 80-90% with the opponent.
I'd be happy if the Republican candidate is able to get through a simple press conference without pissing off 95% of gays, women, Hispanics, and conservatives. Seriously, where do they come up with the socially inept idiots that they want us to vote for? I'd be happiest with a strong fiscal conservative that was relatively moderate on social issues, or better yet held the opinion that social issues are no concern of the government, but I'll settle for someone that can add to twelve without having to take off their shoes, that is a supporter of personal rights and responsibility, and skips the pseudoreligious bullshit and moral hypocrisy so rampant in politics.
OneGuy67
05-13-2014, 12:00
While most of us here agree that the Republican candidate should stay away from social issues, a large number of the party loyalists are interested in those issues.
My extended family are farmers and oil field workers, church going and very conservative in their politics. No hand outs, honest pay for an honest days work.
They are very concerned with the social issues and their belief that a movement away from family values is leading the nation to moral decay.
They are the ones in which the candidates are speaking to when discussing the social issues.
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We're having the same discussions we have every election cycle.
The facts are (R) and (D) both claim 30 percent right out of the gate, that leaves 40% most of which vote for the (D), that 40% just want to keep their independent label b/c /[sarc on] they're such free thinkers and all. [/sarc off]
The GOP is going to need every vote they can get and that means appealing to a broad range of voters. Will Beauprez be better than Hickenlooper...that remains to be seen. If we can give Beauprez an (R) house/senate it'll be easier to get him to do what we want, if we get an (R) house / senate and the looper wins the looper will just become obstinate and we still won't get what we want so if Beauprez is the pick I'll vote for him.
I want to see Kopp or Tancredo win the primary though.
PugnacAutMortem
05-13-2014, 12:40
I'd be happy if the Republican candidate is able to get through a simple press conference without pissing off 95% of gays, women, Hispanics, and conservatives. Seriously, where do they come up with the socially inept idiots that they want us to vote for? I'd be happiest with a strong fiscal conservative that was relatively moderate on social issues, or better yet held the opinion that social issues are no concern of the government, but I'll settle for someone that can add to twelve without having to take off their shoes, that is a supporter of personal rights and responsibility, and skips the pseudoreligious bullshit and moral hypocrisy so rampant in politics.
That would be a Libertarian candidate you just described. If all of the republican voters would ditch the crap that the GOP keeps putting out as far as candidates and support a "3rd party" candidate...there would be some real change.
Bailey Guns
05-13-2014, 12:55
That would be a Libertarian candidate you just described. If all of the republican voters would ditch the crap that the GOP keeps putting out as far as candidates and support a "3rd party" candidate...there would be some real change.
And if frogs had wings... True conservatives WILL NOT vote libertarian because of libertarian stances on certain social issues. It's really not that hard to comprehend.
I've said it before but it seems to fall on deaf ears.
Conservatives vote republican. Conservatives have a strong sense of tradition when it comes to social issues like OneGuy said. Conservatives believe in traditional values, family, God, freedom, smaller government, etc. Believing in and talking about those conservative values are what conservative candidates do. You can't realistically expect a conservative candidate anywhere not to talk about traditional values or to believe in traditional values. If you do, you don't understand the term "conservative".
Republicans certainly vote Republican. No question about that.
Bailey Guns
05-13-2014, 12:59
Republicans certainly vote Republican. No question about that.
Or, they don't vote. That's what happened last time. Like they're really gonna teach somebody a lesson by staying home.
Zundfolge
05-13-2014, 13:17
The facts are (R) and (D) both claim 30 percent right out of the gate, that leaves 40% most of which vote for the (D), that 40% just want to keep their independent label b/c they're such free thinkers and all.
That's where I think your thinking is wrong (unless I'm missing the sarcasm).
Some independents are disgruntled Republicans, others are disgruntled Democrats, others are afraid to make a stand for whatever side they actually support (left or right) still others are members of one of dozens of odd, disparate and varied political ideologies and I suspect a large percentage of them are apathetics that don't give a damn who is in office and will not waste a millisecond thinking about politics and certainly won't vote.
This notion that they're all on the same side of a multitude of issues or have a common ideology is just foolishness and chasing this magical "independent" demographic is a fools errand.
The side that wins is going to be the side that energizes and unifies their base. Period. (Democrat cheating notwithstanding).
Bailey Guns
05-13-2014, 13:24
I agree with Z. It's probably not necessary to win over the entire unaffiliated group...you just have to win a little more of them than the dems do. That's probably enough. The bottom line is, if the republicans can get a large turnout of the republican base they'll probably win this year. It's the best chance they've had in a long time.
That's where I think your thinking is wrong (unless I'm missing the sarcasm)..
Yes, I forgot my sarc tag. Sorry. Fixed.
Z and Bailey Guns are pretty much right on.
What I want to see is a Libertarian present their views in such a manner that mainstream America will actually listen. The problem for the (L) is getting the media to shed its bias for 20 minutes. You can see how much trouble the (R) has with media bias so the (L) knows it is in for a fight.
The problem of the Republican party is one of perception: Stuffy old white men that want to control the people's morality. Beauprez is not going to do anything to change that perception with younger voters, women, or minorities. Kopp might have a chance to win over some of the younger voters, and Brophy certainly would have, but Tancredo certainly isn't winning any friends with minorities...
Aloha_Shooter
05-13-2014, 13:58
I challenge the idea that most independents vote "D". It's certainly a convenient myth to propagate (for the liberals and mass media) because many people are herd-followers and will go the way they think the majority is even if that's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Newsflash for roberth: probably half of us involved in recalling Morse were/are independents. The vast majority of independents voting in the recall election voted to oust Morse and Giron. There are a ton of unaffiliated voters who are disaffected conservatives. The big trick is getting those disaffected conservatives to show up at the polls so we can get the hard core liberals out of office and start returning the country back to a more moderate position. We can get back to the 10th Amendment once we've done that but we'll never get to restoring Constitutional balance as long as we keep letting people like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Hickenlooper, etc. in office.
While most of us here agree that the Republican candidate should stay away from social issues, a large number of the party loyalists are interested in those issues.
My extended family are farmers and oil field workers, church going and very conservative in their politics. No hand outs, honest pay for an honest days work.
They are very concerned with the social issues and their belief that a movement away from family values is leading the nation to moral decay.
They are the ones in which the candidates are speaking to when discussing the social issues.
...and these are often the same types of folks that stay home on election day because the conservative candidate is a Mormon.
Once the candidate is selected, I'll hold my nose and vote 'R', as usual.
OneGuy67
05-13-2014, 14:16
I can't speak for all, but I do know the vast majority of my family voted for Romney while holding their nose. There were a few who didn't, mostly my female cousins who voted for their one particular issue and that being reproductive rights and health and naturally, Obama got their vote for that.
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I challenge the idea that most independents vote "D". It's certainly a convenient myth to propagate (for the liberals and mass media) because many people are herd-followers and will go the way they think the majority is even if that's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Newsflash for roberth: probably half of us involved in recalling Morse were/are independents. The vast majority of independents voting in the recall election voted to oust Morse and Giron. There are a ton of unaffiliated voters who are disaffected conservatives. The big trick is getting those disaffected conservatives to show up at the polls so we can get the hard core liberals out of office and start returning the country back to a more moderate position. We can get back to the 10th Amendment once we've done that but we'll never get to restoring Constitutional balance as long as we keep letting people like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Hickenlooper, etc. in office.
I'm just going on my own experience and when I hear the people who claim to be "independent" on various talk shows turn they out to be liberals.
Zundfolge
05-13-2014, 14:46
The problem of the Republican party is one of perception: Stuffy old white men that want to control the people's morality.
And the problem with perception is that its controlled by the so-called Mainstream Media who are basically a wing of the Democrat party, so it doesn't matter if we run an old white man or a wheel chair bound, bisexual, Latino, Buddhist, cross-dresser the MSM will STILL spin the perception against them.
This is why its so important that Republicans energize their base, and then reach out to conservative & libertarian leaning unaffiliated folk, but don't try to fall for the trap of reaching out to leftists (both those that admit they're leftists and those that call themselves "moderate independents") Because those people won't be fooled, they'll vote for the "real Democrat" instead of the "Democrat-Lite with an R after their name" and at the same time the Republican base (along with conservative & libertarian leaning unaffiliated folk) will stay home (just like the last two presidential elections).
If this "reach out to the middle" crap worked we'd all be bitching about what President McCain or President Romney was doing (or not doing).
I label myself as being "unaffiliated". At heart I am Republican and vote that way until they start shoving their gay and abortion crap out there. At that point it's over for me. Morals have nothing to do with denigrating and subjugating an entire group of people in fact it is quite the opposite. Living a moral life has to do with treating fellow humans with dignity and respect. I don't need a book or a politician to tell me how to live and honest life, make an honest wage and treat others with respect. Everyone else I know that doesn't associate themselves with a specific party feels pretty much the same way. In this country everyone should be treated equally, yes that includes those horrible fornicating gays. Government can get off my lawn and out of my personal life. Both parties need to stick to running the country from a business and national defense perspective.
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You sound more like a Libertarian. Government should be extremely small and only should perform the duties explicitly identified in their charter. For everything else, they shouldn't be a participant.
Perhaps I should have stated that I have voted for R's the majority of the time in the past.. (other than my vote for Jesse Ventura when I lived in MN.. :D ) Yes, I am beginning to identify much more with the Libertarian mindset.
Some independents are disgruntled Republicans, others are disgruntled Democrats, others are afraid to make a stand for whatever side they actually support (left or right) still others are members of one of dozens of odd, disparate and varied political ideologies
I fit more into the bold description largely due to completely differing views with the 'popular' thought processes. Not a Libertarian either, as it seems they just 'pick a side' rather than finding a practical, realistic solution to any given issue/situation. Granted, some of my solutions tend to piss off all involved on both 'sides' of a issue because most don't realize there are quite often other options than just the black & white, good & bad, right & wrong.
Badger
Zundfolge
05-13-2014, 21:17
I fit more into the bold description largely due to completely differing views with the 'popular' thought processes. Not a Libertarian either, as it seems they just 'pick a side' rather than finding a practical, realistic solution to any given issue/situation. Granted, some of my solutions tend to piss off all involved on both 'sides' of a issue because most don't realize there are quite often other options than just the black & white, good & bad, right & wrong.
Badger
You're interpreting my bolded bit way too narrowly ... I'm not talking about reasonable and thoughtful political ideologies, I'm talking about Alex Jones devotees and people that make Alex Jones Devotees look sane ... and people with even weirder idea then them.
Great-Kazoo
05-13-2014, 22:14
Republicans certainly vote Republican. No question about that.
Incorrect
Or, they don't vote. That's what happened last time. Like they're really gonna teach somebody a lesson by staying home.
Correct. The Staunch Conservative R's stayed home, because they felt Romney was not Conservative enough.
ghettodub
05-13-2014, 22:15
Interesting read so far in this thread, enjoyed it.
I like Brophy on quite a few issues, of course on 2A, his stance against Common Core, and how he speaks on water and property rights. But he loses me on the social issues.
I am a Libertarian though, and vote that way, and will continue to. Until people drop the "it's a wasted vote" attitude, things will never change. And I was nominated through the Libertarian convention this year, and am running for a seat this November. Unfortunately, I think our country is still a long way, or a revolution away, from real third party viability, but I'm going to keep fighting for it.
buffalobo
05-13-2014, 23:02
As Carl says, resigned to Beauprez as nominee. Kopp gets froze out by the good ol boys, Tancredo gets vilified by both sides and Bob is nominee.
Don't see how the Repubs think Beauprez will energize the base, as has been implied in this thread, needs done.
Not sure when the unaffiliated/libertarians/assorted unwashed are supposed to start laughing, now or after election.
Maybe a couple more election cycles and Republicans will hold their noses and vote Libertarian.
Can only hope citizens shut Bob out at the primary.
Aloha_Shooter
05-13-2014, 23:07
Can only hope citizens shut Bob out at the primary.
I am very tempted to change from Unaffiliated to Republican so I can do just that.
Bailey Guns
05-14-2014, 00:38
That's my biggest complaint about being unaffiliated. You have no voice in the primaries and that's important to me.
That's the only reason I'm registered Republican. It only makes a difference when selecting candidates at the local and state levels. Open primaries in other states define the national candidates before Colorado gets to play. Then we end up with someone like McCain.
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That's my biggest complaint about being unaffiliated. You have no voice in the primaries and that's important to me.
Mine too.
I think Bob Beauprez is a good man and has backing of party insiders because of his ability to win friends and influence money. Unfortunately, he's going to be badly handicapped by the terrible campaign he ran against Ritter, and the reputation that comes from such a loss. The leftist news media won't let him forget it.
Hick has been in full campaign mode since the recalls. His pals in the media have portrayed him as a centrist. I predict that Beauprez' loss to Hickenlooper will be worse than his race against Ritter.
That's my biggest complaint about being unaffiliated. You have no voice in the primaries and that's important to me.
Anyone who remains unaffiliated has never taken a class in political science. Probably missed math class, too.
Aloha_Shooter
05-14-2014, 09:02
Anyone who remains unaffiliated has never taken a class in political science. Probably missed math class, too.
No, anyone who votes "third party" in a general election has probably not understood lessons in political science or game theory. That's an entirely different proposition than being unaffiliated. Being unaffiliated means I don't get to vote in Colorado primaries -- usually that's no loss -- but I can vote for anyone I damn well choose to in the general. I have registered with both parties at different points in time when it seemed to be worthwhile to vote in the primary. This year may be one of those years but in general I find it far more useful to be unaffiliated -- especially when one of John Morse's supporters got in my face last summer and accused the recall campaign of being a Republican stunt.
You make your choices and suffer the consequences -- if I want a voice in the primaries, I have to register with the party I want to affect. No biggie and I think it's better than Florida's system where you don't have to register with any particular party to vote in its primary as long as you only vote in one party's primary -- which can make for all kinds of shenanigans as Party X loads Party Y's primary election in order to get the candidate most likely to lose to Party X's preselected or unopposed candidate.
buffalobo
05-14-2014, 09:05
So what did we miss if we skipped poli sci class?
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Aloha_Shooter
05-14-2014, 10:15
So what did we miss if we skipped poli sci class?
sent from my electronic ball and chain
"Hot" chicks like ... Hillary Clinton, Madeline Albright, Eleanor Clift ... 'scuse me while I go puke ...
buffalobo
05-14-2014, 10:43
"Hot" chicks like ... Hillary Clinton, Madeline Albright, Eleanor Clift ... 'scuse me while I go puke ...
Ooooooo, la la, baby, ... can't even finish typing it. Scoot over so I don't puke on you. :eek:
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newracer
05-14-2014, 11:35
I am also unaffiliated but register if I want to vote in a primary. Did that a few years ago as the only candidates for sheriff were republican, so the primary was basically the election.
DavieD55
05-14-2014, 19:32
Have a feeling Colorado will end up with the dyslexic geologist "yes man" retard again. There is a good chance at getting a majority in the State Senate, but If people fail to secure the state legislature from the marxist wannabes this time around, Colorado will be toast and will go the same way as kalifonya did within the next 3 years.
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