As goes CA, so goes the Country?

[wctriumph]

This is the stuff that makes my head hurt. How do these people get into the positions of public responsibility with such irrational thought processes?

http://laist.com/2013/08/09/guns_now_banned_at_all_la_community.php

Firearms are now prohibited at all community colleges (http://laist.com/2013/08/09/guns_now_banned_at_all_la_community.php#) in Los Angeles. The move comes two months after thedeadly shooting (http://laist.com/2013/06/07/shooting_at_santa_monica_college_th.php#photo-1) Santa Monica Community College.

The District Board of Trustees unanimously approved a resolution Wednesday prohibiting firearms on its nine campuses "to the maximum extent allowable by law," District spokesman Steve Springer told CBS2 (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/08/09/firearms-banned-at-all-la-community-college-campuses/).
"It is our responsibility to provide a safe environment for our students, allowing them to feel secure and able to totally focus on their academic goals," board Vice President Scott Svonkin, who sponsored the resolution, told the L.A. Times (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-college-guns-20130808,0,6511100.story). "They must never be fearful about setting foot on one of our campuses."
States have been split on how to handle college campus security: Twenty-two states ban the carrying of a concealed weapon on campus, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures, while 19 states have introduced legislation to allow concealed carrying in some instances. Only a few have have attempted to bar weapons completely, the Times reports.
The L.A. resolution cited "repeated, serious occurrences of campus-based (http://laist.com/2013/08/09/guns_now_banned_at_all_la_community.php#) shootings." It also stated "the presence of firearms, even when nonoperational and in the instructional setting, lends itself to the potential for panic and fear."
Svonkin said officials were concerned when they learned that non-credit gun safety classes (http://laist.com/2013/08/09/guns_now_banned_at_all_la_community.php#) were being taught on the Pierce and Harbor campuses by a group affiliated with National Rifle Assocation, which Svokin said were were also promoting gun ownership.
Most academic classes offering firearms education and training are already being taught at off-campus sites, Svonkin said.
The policy adopted at the board's meeting Wednesday would allow weapons on campus only if carried by a sworn law enforcement officer or for use in a theatrical performance.

[Great-Kazoo]

Ask this question at your next OFA gathering, if you want to make your head really hurt.

[wctriumph]

Ask this question at your next OFA gathering, if you want to make your head really hurt.


I may just do that, Jim. It will be September for the next possible meeting.

[Gman]

It's a mental disorder. Don't try to apply logic to it.

[Holger Danske]

The policy adopted at the board's meeting Wednesday would allow weapons on campus only if carried by a sworn law enforcement officer or for use in a theatrical performance.

So thesbians can carry firearms during a performance?

[Great-Kazoo]

To shoot or not to Shoot that is the question

[BPTactical]

So thesbians can carry firearms during a performance?

Damn those thesbians, they can marry, they can adopt and now they can pack when they perform..[ROFL1]

[StagLefty]

Damn thesbians-there goes the neighborhood [facepalm]

[stoner01]

Ummmm why would I trust some pansy ass actors?

[StagLefty]

Ummmm why would I trust some pansy ass actors?

Hey Hey in this thread they're thesbians.

[Mazin]

Yea because gun free zones worked at sandy hook, century movie theater and columbine. Effing retards. Choice to ether protect yourself or attend a anti 2a college and become a potential target.....hmmm decisions decisions.


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[Monky]

Ummmm why would I trust some pansy ass actors?

At least they'd start a monologue and give you time to escape? That's how it always happens in the movies.



Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.

[BPTactical]

Hey Hey in this thread they're thesbians.

Oh jeez, we are so dumm.
Its Thespians, not Thesbians............

[StagLefty]

Oh jeez, we are so dumm.
Its Thespians, not Thesbians............

Not in this thread [Coffee]

[wctriumph]

You guys crack me up.

[ROFL3]

[Hound]

A thought. Let's say the anti-gun crowd won. There are no guns allowed in the US, at all, unless you are military or police but wait, we have also seen plenty of cases where even police are out-of-control (this is not cop bashing) so we go to the UK model of only para military police (a very select few) are allowed guns. What are the checks and balances? What stops an outside force or our own forces from impossing their will if the people disagree with the direction being imposed? Are we to be sheep like the holocaust? What is the "perfect world" they so long for? If it is a world with NO guns, that is not realistic. Do they really think any government is going to give up guns? How do we deal with rigged voting, or the dictatorial positions we have seen from BOTH (Bush/Obama) of the last two administrations? What is our discorse if they know we have no other way to disagree except use the "process" we are already saying may be rigged? Do we always have to get to such an oppressive point that revolution of the bloodiest sort is the only option? The power has always resided in the people in any country. This is what we see in Libya, Egypt and Syria. These all show varying degrees of revolution at various points. Some are violent but succesful with and unsure future[Libya], some are (more) peaceful but again with an unsure future [Egypt], others are very bloody [Syria]. We all, on this forum, know how we would answer this question. I ask you to ask this of those that disagree with us. Get them thinking. Not in a confrontational way but in an exploratory way. We live in a country where 99% of the time we do not deal with violence in any given day. That is a statistical fact. If you do deal with violence often, it was generally a career choice (good or bad) or you live somewhere that is already much like I am asking about. Instead of the normal rant, ask what is this world without guns? Because the current world with guns IMHO is actually not too bad and where I understand it is bad is where guns are not allowed or severly restricted.

So what is this world you speak of where my only recourse against any government (foreign or domestic) or individual(s) that mean me harm is to allow the bad to happen and then hope somebody else saves me or compensates me later (after I am forced to spend more money to defend myself against a wrong done to me or mine)?

This is a better way to have a discussion with them to, if not change their minds, at least put a seed of doubt that may grow.

[Kraven251]

The US without guns ...would be a country of boobie traps, IEDs, and 2in broadheads. What makes the US different, we have no shortage of ingenuity when it comes to defending what we believe in under adverse conditions. Fuck em.

I don't understand these people. They are entitled to their opinions, but under no circumstances should these ignorant puppets be dictating policy.


Crazy fuck with a legally/illegally obtained firearm goes on a rampage and surrenders. At the end of the day they tack on one more charge to the laundry list of other charges and he gets to sit in jail getting 3 squares, exercise time, access to education, a bunch of sick sycophants worshiping him, a criminal justice systems that wants to understand him, and we get to pay for it. In taxes and new and improved bullshit safety laws that keep no one safe and just get added to the charges when the next one happens.

If you have witnesses to a mass homicide, you have the criminal, and the end result is they should be on the other side of the grass ...Here is your day in court, and here is your day in the gallows, NEXT!

[Mtn.man]

Thirtenly thon,,, thesbians have been around for thousands of years.

Get with the program.

[Rucker61]

The policy adopted at the board's meeting Wednesday would allow weapons on campus only if carried by a sworn law enforcement officer or for use in a theatrical performance.



I'm a performance artist, and to paraphrase the bard, "All the world's a stage, and we are merely players". This particular performance I call "Life", and the script allows CCW.

[Ronin13]

what is this world without guns? Because the current world with guns IMHO is actually not too bad and where I understand it is bad is where guns are not allowed or severly restricted.
To your question, most antis either by ignorance or refusal to deal with the actual facts, are completely unaware that their no-guns utopia (UK) has time and time again for the last several years, tallied the highest count of violence and crime in the European Union. More than Greece, which saw economic upheaval. More than Spain, which also saw economic woes. More than Germany, which has a "violent history" (perhaps, if you go back far enough, more violent than ours will ever be). They have effectively banned guns in the UK, not 100%, but enough that by comparison to the US they have the opposite of our gun possession, even compared to places like CA and now CT. Until they realize the cold hard facts and can do away with their bias, they'll never come to realize that their pipe dreams of expansive gun control are actually detrimental to civil discourse in this country. Like your statement after the question, places where there is more gun control are statistically more violent than places where there is more lax gun control. We all know this to be truth, but for some reason, folks like Piers Morgan, and Barack Obama and their ilk cannot see this... no matter how many times we try, no matter what method of informing them we try, they still deny this simple and bold faced fact. That is the problem. It's not so much talking and teaching them, because you can lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink.

[Hound]

To your question, most antis either by ignorance or refusal to deal with the actual facts, are completely unaware that their no-guns utopia (UK) has time and time again for the last several years, tallied the highest count of violence and crime in the European Union. More than Greece, which saw economic upheaval. More than Spain, which also saw economic woes. More than Germany, which has a "violent history" (perhaps, if you go back far enough, more violent than ours will ever be). They have effectively banned guns in the UK, not 100%, but enough that by comparison to the US they have the opposite of our gun possession, even compared to places like CA and now CT. Until they realize the cold hard facts and can do away with their bias, they'll never come to realize that their pipe dreams of expansive gun control are actually detrimental to civil discourse in this country. Like your statement after the question, places where there is more gun control are statistically more violent than places where there is more lax gun control. We all know this to be truth, but for some reason, folks like Piers Morgan, and Barack Obama and their ilk cannot see this... no matter how many times we try, no matter what method of informing them we try, they still deny this simple and bold faced fact. That is the problem. It's not so much talking and teaching them, because you can lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink.

Ronin, I think you would agree that we agree (at least on this). I was trying to show a way that if we can't get them to drink the water maybe at least they can sniff it. I have been somewhat succesful in these kind of debates using these angles of discussion. I am worried that if we don't start getting them to 'drink' we will eventually be another UK. None of us here want that, thus the input. Fuck'em will eventually fuck us. (Not that you said Fuck'em here, that goes to the other post)

[UrbanWolf]

Ask this question at your next OFA gathering, if you want to make your head really hurt.

Isn't OFA the bigot origination?

[wctriumph]

Isn't OFA the bigot origination?


Oh yes, they are bigots for the most part at OFA. The one time I brought up the question of gun control there was much discomfort in the room and the team leader quickly brought it back to the Affordable Care Act and Immigration Reform. Gun control is not on their agenda for discussion in a meaningful way, only "common sense" regulation. From the article I posted, this is what they are doing, regulating when and where a gun can be carried. It is next to impossible to get a CCW permit in CA. Your best chance is in Kern County if you are a permanent resident of the county.

Here are a couple of photos that kind of represents the attendees at the meetings.

[Byte Stryke]

Its funny, when liberals say "I want to live in a world without Guns... guns are the problem!" I always answer back.
"Yeah... the crusades werent bad at all. No icky guns there!"

http://www.palestiniansurprises.com/uploads/20110127044513_1_medieval-crusades-3.jpg

[strm_trpr]

Its funny, when liberals say "I want to live in a world without Guns... guns are the problem!" I always answer back.
"Yeah... the crusades werent bad at all. No icky guns there!"

http://www.palestiniansurprises.com/uploads/20110127044513_1_medieval-crusades-3.jpg

If there were no Guns I would carry a Bow and Arrow, if none of that I would carry a Sword, if none of that I would carry a dagger, if none of those I would carry a staff, if none of those I would carry a rock, if none of those I would be a Pugilist.

[Ronin13]

If there were no Guns I would carry a Bow and Arrow, if none of that I would carry a Sword, if none of that I would carry a dagger, if none of those I would carry a staff, if none of those I would carry a rock, if none of those I would be a Pugilist.
Sounds to me like de-escalation of force right there. Yeah, keep trying to ban things, we'll just find something else to protect ourselves with... [Coffee]

[UrbanWolf]

Oh yes, they are bigots for the most part at OFA. The one time I brought up the question of gun control there was much discomfort in the room and the team leader quickly brought it back to the Affordable Care Act and Immigration Reform. Gun control is not on their agenda for discussion in a meaningful way, only "common sense" regulation. From the article I posted, this is what they are doing, regulating when and where a gun can be carried. It is next to impossible to get a CCW permit in CA. Your best chance is in Kern County if you are a permanent resident of the county.

Here are a couple of photos that kind of represents the attendees at the meetings.

Are they Democrats?

[centrarchidae]

I guess that's one way to put it. OFA was originally Obama's campaign organization, and then rebranded and stuck around after he was elected in 2008.

I think they've expanded slightly, kind of like the MoveOn jackwads.


Are they Democrats?