View Full Version : So if there's something I learned....
islandermyk
08-10-2013, 20:26
... it's "There is a lot more to learn!"
Friday the 2nd, I went up to Tim K's place to learn the fundamentals of body position behind the rifle... guess what? I learned a lot more than how you need to be behind the rifle [pick-me]
There sure is a lot more than just getting behind the rifle, look through the scope, and pull the trigger.... HOLY F*CKEN SH*T there is so much more to this!
Okay to start off... you have to ask yourself:
*Does the rifle fit for you?
1) Cheek rest height enough to look through your scope correctly?
2) Butt adjustment/length of pull just right for you so you could rest naturally and comfortably behind the rifle??
3) How about your wrist behind that trigger finger? Angled up or down just to feel natural.
I can go on and on with more questions to only this topic. This certainly requires a lot of time behind the rifle. I'm not saying go out to the range and burn up ammo just to get things down. At home get behind that rifle, make the adjustments to make the rifle fit you, and then refine the adjustments... pull the trigger (dry fire) and see if your reticle is moving every time you pull. Open up the bolt, get up and lay back down behind the rifle and repeat this as much as necessary, but you need to build up a check list on your procedures.
Ohhh... lets move on: This one still f*cks with me when I'm engaging another target at a different distance.
Scope Parallax... I am learning that it can be the difference between being right on target to as far as 2 inches (or more) off your mark. FML I tell you....! the countless misses... along with the horrible Data/DOPE recordings from not adjusting my parallax correctly may have been one of the main contributing factors I'm all over the place with my shots most times. [Bang]
....this I can't explain... The seasoned shooters will surely chime in on this one, and I am all ears Brothers! [Beer]
I can go on and on...
Now lets talk codes.... There are codes! Yes! You need to learn how to understand these codes....
What are "Full-values", "Half Values"...... and so on...?
... and here's another [Kick1]
You know all those BP's (ballistic programs) you're just learning to use and other forms of trying to calculate bullet drops and what not.
Please! Please! See what your rifle is putting out with the loads your exclusively shooting (muzzle velocity, BC, etc..). Everything will change.. from changing factory ammo, to your own reloads, and yes... 168 gr to 175 gr in .308 make a big ass difference in your data.
There is so much out there to learn in Precision/LR shooting world that only you can make it what you want to make of it for yourself... though no one should get frustrated when things go wrong or when you don't hit the target (I usually laugh at every miss with a [hammer]). Go back to your procedures and call yourself out on it and try to spend less time blaming the rifle or the ammo your using... unless they're "pulls" [Coffee] It's my excuse... and I'm sticking to it[LOL]
One thing I can certainly say is. We are not short of some really good help in the Precision/Long Range shooting world.
... and here are a few examples:
Tim K has mind fucked me [LOL] I'm kidding... Tim has certainly made me a better shooter.... well, maybe not a better shooter (yet.. still refining many things from Tim's teachings)... but a lot more confident with my shooting. I am not gonna lie. I thought I was doing okay for the past 2 years being into this. I always said to myself "we all have our good day and bad days" I call BS on that one! Through the countless hours behind the rifle. I could actually feel what I'm doing wrong with the rifle from the trigger pull, correcting a bad habit of where I use to muscle in the rifle, and so on... I actually can call myself out for either skipping a step, or plainly f*cking up that shot to start with. Now that I have a better understanding of things it's a lot more easier to identify my mistakes without blaming anything else.
I thank Tim though for spending those hours enlightening me on a sh*t ton of things to shoot better. Thank you Brother!
Here's pics of a 5 shoot group after shooting out to 300, 500, 600, and then back down to 100 yards and did this 5 shot group.
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp261/brutaltlr/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/IMAG2100_zps42d96f74.jpg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/brutaltlr/media/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/IMAG2100_zps42d96f74.jpg.html)
.. and today shooting a different rifle (Jim's Mossberg .223 with a 4 power scope, with WOLF ammo), but sticking to my procedure and repeating the fundamentals Tim taught me
5 or 6 shot group at a hundred yards.
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp261/brutaltlr/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/IMAG2109_zpsb8b6f762.jpg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/brutaltlr/media/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/IMAG2109_zpsb8b6f762.jpg.html)
Hoser is another one to hate [Coffee] Every time I shoot next to him. I continue to tell myself... "No pressure." [LOL]
Nah.. Every P-Dog Match is a learning experience for me. I usually miss a sh*t full on the first session.. or.. uh... yeah... through the whole freaken match, and Hoser gives me the advice I need to make sh*t happen from wind calls, to how far I was off target, catching my trigger pull, and so on... yea... and all this is happening during a match! Thank you Brother for all the help [Beer]
There are a lot of good guys at these matches and even outside these matches who enjoy shooting LR that go around helping each other out in every way they can that I've seen and witnessed time and time again. I thank all of you guys so much for making my bank account cry and for all the Ramen noodle diets I had to go through [ROFL1]
All kidding aside... there is so much to learn and a lot of dry firing needed. [Beer]
Great-Kazoo
08-10-2013, 20:58
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and today shooting a different rifle (Jim's Mossberg .223 with a 4 power scope, with WOLF ammo), but sticking to my procedure and repeating the fundamentals Tim taught me
5 or 6 shot group at a hundred yards.
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp261/brutaltlr/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/IMAG2109_zpsb8b6f762.jpg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/brutaltlr/media/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/IMAG2109_zpsb8b6f762.jpg.html)
Sure that last 100 yd isn't from me shooting your suppressed 45 off hand? [LOL]
Enjoyed shooting today, hope to have a higher power scope by next week. Surely makes it easier to see things @ 300. I'm about 75-100fps under max using the mid loads we shot today.
Pass any cows on the way home;)
islandermyk
08-10-2013, 21:03
Sure that last 100 yd isn't from me shooting your suppressed 45 off hand? [LOL]
You got the 200 yard one with that, remember [Coffee]
Enjoyed shooting today, hope to have a higher power scope by next week. Surely makes it easier to see things @ 300. I'm about 75-100fps under max using the mid loads we shot today.
MMmmmm.... Capammo!
Pass any cows on the way home;)
Now you got me looking at cows a whole different way now... fricken got me all paranoid and sh*t [ROFL1]
I meet Tim at our childrens dance class. We got to talking and I told him I was just was trying to learn how to shoot long range, and, well he has also taught me a lot. He also brought me to a PD match in Pueblo, which was the most fun I've had shooting aside from with my daughter. He is a hell of a guy, and with his help, I'm going to beat him someday!!! If he let's me...... But seriously, it's hard to find a guy like Tim to go out of his way to help a new guy. THANKS TIM! And nice shooting Islandermyk!
So will Tim take anyone out and show them the way, the truth, and the light?
islandermyk
08-11-2013, 03:58
So will Tim take anyone out and show them the way, the truth, and the light?
We can send you a step by step program in VHS and a full size manual with pictures on how to be a sharp shooter [LOL] I'm kidding.. I'm kidding...
Tim and everyone else that has helped me see "the way, the truth, and the light" have seen and identified my mistakes while we were shooting the P-Dog matches.
Got any questions on how to see the ways, know the truth, get out of the dark.... for starters, just ask away (PM or a new thread)... and see how far it leads you to what you are seeking for [Beer]
So will Tim take anyone out and show them the way, the truth, and the light?
No, all misinformation and obfuscation is administered in my living room. Loud noises frighten me.
If you're willing to drive up here, I'm willing to do what I can to help. My wife is so used to the sight of guys lying on our floor with rifles she doesn't even look twice anymore.
islandermyk
08-11-2013, 18:58
Tim has a very plush carpet to maneuver around on [Coffee]
islandermyk
08-11-2013, 19:01
... which made the learning experience more easy and comfortable [Tooth]
Did you shoot over the weekend?
I feel like I have the mechanics of position down very well. It's science now, not guesswork. I still got my ass handed to me at Raton yesterday.
Our entire squad was missing the longer shots by as much as a foot high. I took a zero on the first string, every shot going right over the target. The next stage would be normal, then suddenly everyone would miss high again. As the day progressed, I began to suspect either thermal activity or slope lift from wind blowing in from our 6. I did a little research when I got home and found that a typical thermal might have vertical velocities of 3-6 MPH near the ground. Put that into your ballistics program and you get a reduction in drop of over 13" at 700 yards. I'd seen slope lift do similar things in the past when shooting on top of a big hill, but this was the fist time I'd seen a thermal affect elevation.
It was a real eye opener. If I'd figured it out earlier, I might have missed only one target per stage when it was happening instead of 3 or as many as all 6. Live and learn.
islandermyk
08-12-2013, 17:32
I haven't had the opportunity to shoot in different landscapes (hills, valleys, etc...) besides the grasslands and ranges... aw man that has to be fun figuring that sh*t out... it has to be a head scratcher for sure.
<<<<This guy is Jelly [Flower]
I haven't had the opportunity to shoot in different landscapes (hills, valleys, etc...) besides the grasslands and ranges... aw man that has to be fun figuring that sh*t out... it has to be a head scratcher for sure.
Only one way to fix that. First Sundays in Raton...
ChunkyMonkey
08-12-2013, 18:47
... which made the learning experience more easy and comfortable [Tooth]
It does explain the carpet burn mark on yer elbows.
islandermyk
08-12-2013, 20:05
Only one way to fix that. First Sundays in Raton...
Sh*t... this is gonna require me to put in vacay time from work (which I don't have much left of) for something like this. I'll see what I can do for next month....
It does explain the carpet burn mark on yer elbows.
at least it ain't on the knees... all I'll hear is I'm doing it wrong [ROFL1]
Next month at Raton is the last match of the year. Burn that day of vacation!
I learned more about shooting in the wind in one match down there than in any 10 PD matches. The targets are much larger and much farther. It's the perfect learning environment for wind shooting.
Next time you're out, shoot some groups where you stand up after every shot. When groups shot that way are the same size as groups shot without breaking position, you're done.
Groups are for zeroing and load development . After that use the dot drill's , it is way more effective when working on shot placement because you shoot a new spot every time and have to move to a different aiming point . It is also more relevant because you only get one shot to make it right .
Groups are for zeroing and load development . After that use the dot drill's , it is way more effective when working on shot placement because you shoot a new spot every time and have to move to a different aiming point . It is also more relevant because you only get one shot to make it right .
That was the point of standing up...
Which is harder, completely breaking position by standing or just shifting your point of aim 2"?
Further, the idea of using groups is so he can compare his performance without breaking position to his performance breaking it every shot. Dot drill would work, it's just harder to evaluate.
Every time you change targets you should rebuild your position no mater how small the change because you need to adjust the natural point of aim . If you can consistently put your shot on a 1 inch dot at 100 your gonna be GTG then move to 1/2 inch dots . A side effect will be your group size shrinking when checking zero . Doesn't make sense to me to practice shooting groups , especially at 100 , when the end goal is to place 1 shot on target at distance in field conditions . Group shooting is all well and good during load development but after that the ammo is better spent elsewhere working on precision instead of testing the accuracy of the rifle .
I thought precisions was consistency with all mechanical and physical, accuracy was putting the bullet on the spot. So shooting groups improves precision and the dot test improves accuracy? right.
islandermyk
08-13-2013, 18:39
Next time you're out, shoot some groups where you stand up after every shot. When groups shot that way are the same size as groups shot without breaking position, you're done.
Groups are for zeroing and load development . After that use the dot drill's , it is way more effective when working on shot placement because you shoot a new spot every time and have to move to a different aiming point . It is also more relevant because you only get one shot to make it right .
Every time you change targets you should rebuild your position no mater how small the change because you need to adjust the natural point of aim . If you can consistently put your shot on a 1 inch dot at 100 your gonna be GTG then move to 1/2 inch dots . A side effect will be your group size shrinking when checking zero . Doesn't make sense to me to practice shooting groups , especially at 100 , when the end goal is to place 1 shot on target at distance in field conditions . Group shooting is all well and good during load development but after that the ammo is better spent elsewhere working on precision instead of testing the accuracy of the rifle .
I thought precisions was consistency with all mechanical and physical, accuracy was putting the bullet on the spot. So shooting groups improves precision and the dot test improves accuracy? right.
I completely see where you guys are going with this. [Beer]
I noticed a lot of things when I was my breaking position (Not standing up, but hands off the rifle and kneeling behind the rifle) behind the rifle. I also placed targets from 100 out to 600 yards to practice and get that one shot mentality shot going on.... also going as far as nailing my shots where I wanted them on the piece of steel and seeing it hit where I wanted it to hit, but when I do this I mainly working on my parallax as well. I tried going back and forth without adjusting (given at the time it was clear enough) and saw my 100 yard group opened up a weee bit consistently low.. so that required me to adjust (refine the rifle to me) my cheek rest position a little bit lower... and so far I'm comfortable with it as I'm expecting to change things around sooner or later after trouble shooting and experimenting [panic]
I am a lot more aware of how I'm pulling the trigger. Given that I know I am not muscling the rifle in anyway gives me the opportunity to think of other things rather than how I feel behind the rifle.
My first shot's lately haven't been on the 100 yard target, but out to 200 and 300 yards (so far) on a steel plate and recording that first hit. I'll usually shoot a group or two after shooting as far as 600 yards and then straight back in to a 100 yard for a 5 shot group.
I'm trying pretty hard not to over think things when I'm behind my rifle... basically trying to make it feel a little more natural by making my shooting some what more comfortable to me and repetitive/consistent sorta speak.
I laugh every time after I pull the trigger and feel the wall of the trigger system.... "Ooops... that went a little to the right" [ROFL1]
Yeah , had precision and accuracy reversed from the accepted definitions . I try to work on 1 or 2 things per practice session so you can see what is actually working without having to sort through too much stuff .
islandermyk
08-13-2013, 19:32
Yeah , had precision and accuracy reversed from the accepted definitions . I try to work on 1 or 2 things per practice session so you can see what is actually working without having to sort through too much stuff .
Man... My first 20-30 minutes out there (after Tim K's help) I was screwing it up. I was rushing things, almost went back to forcing/muscling the rifle around again... yeah, you can imagine what was going through my mind. I literally had to break complete contact with the rifle (sat on my cooler) to let things soak in and to rethink what the heck I was doing out here.
I want it to be like driving my own car (something I could relate to). I get in and everything (mirrors, chair, steering wheel, etc..) is where its at... not needing to readjust anything when I twist that key.... [Coffee]
islandermyk
08-13-2013, 20:27
Only one way to fix that. First Sundays in Raton...
Next month at Raton is the last match of the year. Burn that day of vacation!
I learned more about shooting in the wind in one match down there than in any 10 PD matches. The targets are much larger and much farther. It's the perfect learning environment for wind shooting.
I really want to try this now.... questions... I should probably look this up myself, but I figured hearing it from you guys would be the best and posting it up here would bring others to think about trying this match out themselves if they haven't tried it out. I will ask one question at a time as we go [Coffee]
How many rounds do i need to bring?
The purpose of Mike's visit was to develop a basic prone position that is repeatable and gets good accuracy from the rifle. The goal was to be able to plop down behind the gun and put a shot into some acceptable zone of accuracy each and every time. The size of the zone (say 1/2 moa) is determined by shooting traditional groups to see the rifle's capabilities. This shooting can be done my Mike or by some other skilled shooter.
I'm advocating shooting a few groups where Mike stands completely up after every shot. Shoot one, stand up. Shoot another, stand up, etc. When his groups shooting this way are equal in size to the groups shot without breaking position, it's reasonable to assume he has achieved his goal of a good basic prone position.
All this is to get to the point of learning to shoot at distance and in the wind. You learn nothing shooting in the wind if you are not confident that the bullet went where you were aiming. If there is much variability in your position, a miss or a hit will teach you nothing about shooting in the wind. So, say you missed 2 moa to the right. If you're a 2 moa shooter, you don't know if it was wind or you or some combination of the two. If you're a 1/2 moa shooter, that shot will teach you something about the wind.
The group shooting (standing up after every shot) is simply a way to measure progress and know when it makes sense to burn up ammo shooting at distance and in the wind. It could be done shooting at individual dots if that's what you gotta do, but that just makes it harder to measure progress. If you're standing after each shot, it's at least as difficult as shooting the dot drill.
Once the position has been developed and committed to muscle and mental memory, I'm not an advocate of group shooting. It might be smart to shoot one periodically just to make sure nothing has changed, but as practice it's essentially useless.
You need 60 rounds. More if you want to shoot on the practice range beforehand.
islandermyk
08-13-2013, 20:55
I completely understand and will do. [Beer]
I need to do this.. My muscle memory (especially) on my whole left arm needs being tweeked. I have a bad tendency of muscling that side up with my shoulder pointing straight up.
I've noticed too that I catch my neck still holding my head up still which I think may have threw me off on my parallax at times.
Another thing I caught that was happening was every time I broke away from the rifle. I was catching myself not getting the same feel when I load the rifle causing me to break off the rifle again... the bipod is probably slipping on the dirt... still trying to figure that out too.
My groups are pretty consistent so far keeping it under an moa and seeing the progress when I'm stretching it out a little out there. I totally know what this means too.... MORE DRY FIRING! [Beer]
islandermyk
08-13-2013, 20:59
You need 60 rounds. More if you want to shoot on the practice range beforehand.
Copy that! [Beer]
Another question will come up.... well....
What else would I need/would you suggest to bring and load in my pack to get through this match?
Gun, bipod, ammo, sling, range finder or binoculars, shooting sticks (no tripods allowed) if you have them, rear bag and lunch.
You can set the gun up at the house . Flop down prone behind the rifle with your eye's closed . Build your position until your comfortable then open your eye's . There should be no issues with eye relief or scope shadow , if there is adjust the cheek piece height and eye relief until its right . Your position should be comfortable enough to be in for extended periods of time , if your not comfortable your not going to shoot well .
To get the bipod loaded build your position and then without moving the gun lift your body and roll forward into the gun about 1/2 inch or so . You don't need a huge amount of pressure on the legs just enough so the rifle recoils in a straight line and returns on target . NPA plays a big part in this , if you NPA is off the rifle won't recoil straight . This is important because its critical to see where the bullet went and the shooter has the best seat in the house to see this .
Parallax issues will be minimized with the rifle set up properly because you will have consistent cheek weld which puts your eye in the same place every time .
Pretty much all you'll need for Raton is the stuff you bring to the PD match , the new guy's always get cut some slack and if you need to borrow something the guy's on your squad will loan it to you . Pretty much all the questions and info can be found at the threads for the Sporting Rifle Match on here and SH , there are links to the match website in both threads .
TheBelly
08-15-2013, 18:58
I totally know what this means too.... MORE DRY FIRING! [Beer]
a drill that I use is to practice getting into a good position. Often times, we get set up and then do 100-200 dry fires, but only one set up.
so, I practice getting set up as part of the drill. I do this at the range, also... One shot fired = one complete set up and trigger squeeze.
islandermyk
08-16-2013, 20:14
I've been sick for a few days... sorry for the late response
You can set the gun up at the house . Flop down prone behind the rifle with your eye's closed . Build your position until your comfortable then open your eye's . There should be no issues with eye relief or scope shadow , if there is adjust the cheek piece height and eye relief until its right . Your position should be comfortable enough to be in for extended periods of time , if your not comfortable your not going to shoot well .
To get the bipod loaded build your position and then without moving the gun lift your body and roll forward into the gun about 1/2 inch or so . You don't need a huge amount of pressure on the legs just enough so the rifle recoils in a straight line and returns on target . NPA plays a big part in this , if you NPA is off the rifle won't recoil straight . This is important because its critical to see where the bullet went and the shooter has the best seat in the house to see this .
Parallax issues will be minimized with the rifle set up properly because you will have consistent cheek weld which puts your eye in the same place every time .
Pretty much all you'll need for Raton is the stuff you bring to the PD match , the new guy's always get cut some slack and if you need to borrow something the guy's on your squad will loan it to you . Pretty much all the questions and info can be found at the threads for the Sporting Rifle Match on here and SH , there are links to the match website in both threads .
Right on! Right on! I just like to hear it from those who have ran this match. I'm one of'em that kinda over thinks it in the lesser of things way... if I could get away with traveling light. I'll do it, but I'd hate to get caught up with not having the thing (s) I may need in the end, and or having that thing and not even using it.
I understand what you're saying with loading the bipod. I've just recently learned this. I "use" to muscle the load into the bipod and pull the rifle from behind into me. Complete failure, I know! Some days it worked.. and most days it didn't...
I'm learning a lot from dry firing and moving on to different distance targets and adjusting for parallax for it. I wish I learned the true meaning of this when I first got into LR shooting 2 years ago.
Thank you C ward! It's people like you that make this sport fucken bad ass! [Beer]
a drill that I use is to practice getting into a good position. Often times, we get set up and then do 100-200 dry fires, but only one set up.
so, I practice getting set up as part of the drill. I do this at the range, also... One shot fired = one complete set up and trigger squeeze.
Tim K was expressing that I try to get into this habit as well. Looks like I'll be working on this too [Beer]
islandermyk
08-17-2013, 16:38
Here's another valuable lesson I learned today.
Tim K you are dead on right with just inputting the DA into the BP and forgetting everything else (temp, altitude, baro, etc..)... [Beer]
I was dead nuts on from 200, 300, 400, 500, and even out to a 1K.
islandermyk
08-17-2013, 17:18
3 out of 5 shots. I was holding 1 mil to the left. Winds were swinging around 5-10 mph right to left.
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp261/brutaltlr/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/1000yardshits_zps147e8f4c.jpg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/brutaltlr/media/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/1000yardshits_zps147e8f4c.jpg.html)
Great-Kazoo
08-17-2013, 18:52
3 out of 5 shots. I was holding 1 mil to the left. Winds were swinging around 5-10 mph right to left.
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp261/brutaltlr/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/1000yardshits_zps147e8f4c.jpg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/brutaltlr/media/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/1000yardshits_zps147e8f4c.jpg.html)
So you're saying if you didn't have a cold you would have done better, or worse?
islandermyk
08-17-2013, 19:53
So you're saying if you didn't have a cold you would have done better, or worse?
Good call on that one... I was definitely dragging ass out there... I won't be surprised trying to repeat this when I'm feeling better and would result being worse [facepalm]
Yep, good thing Spleify had some of those hand wipes that were going around. I sure had a bad habit of touching things [Coffee]
islandermyk
08-18-2013, 08:13
Here's another thing I neglected to add in.
Wind calling.
from a hundred yards to three hundred with a .308 shooting 175 gr SMK's it flies from 0 adjustment/hold to .2 of a mil at the most in no wind to 5 mph.
300 yards and out to 500 yards with the same wind conditions .2 mils or some times a little more.
1000 yards... ppphhhpt... 10 mph winds that die down and run back up. I'm holding .6 mils and went up to 2.0 mils.
I can see mirage swinging left and right but I feel wind blowing from behind me in a different angle. Do I need to pay attention to the wind behind me as well???
At longer ranges, the wind at your position may be wildly different from what the bullet is experiencing. Take your best guess on the first shot, then let the bullet's impact give you feedback. Measure the distance between where you held and where it hit, and look up the full value drift for that range. Determine the wind value from there and try holding that the next shot.
First round hits at long ranges or small targets are very difficult unless someone has already told you what the wind is doing.
The short answer is yes . All the wind matters and needs to taken into account . The bullet is the best indicator of the " effective wind " and this is why the absolute necessity of spotting the impact of the shot . More often then not there will be multiple bands of wind between you and the target that all have different affects on bullet flight .
More than once there has been a full 10 mph 90 degree wind at the shooting position and the wind down range cancelled it out and the right wind call was hold center .
islandermyk
08-18-2013, 13:18
F*cken sh*t! I wish I paid more attention to the winds that were blowing right on us. I should've been shooting with just my socks on [Tooth]
I was really focusing on the winds up ahead... I even tried experimenting a little powering down my scope to see mirage/wind blowing in the middle of the 1k range.
I can't remember for the death of me where or how hard the wind was blowing on us when I had to hold 2.0 mils at the 1k target... and when it went down to .5 to 1.0 mils in windage....Aaauugghh! [Bang]
Don't mess with the magnification to see the wind bands , use the parralax knob .
islandermyk
08-19-2013, 16:23
Don't mess with the magnification to see the wind bands , use the parralax knob .
I've noticed I didn't really need to mess with magnification... it was worth trying out at the time, but your right about just messing with the parallax... I do see it in and out to 1K yards.
My vacay was approved!!!! I get to shoot the Raton Match this 1st of September [pick-me]
Come down Sat for set up and ask questions if you can .
islandermyk
08-19-2013, 17:57
Come down Sat for set up and ask questions if you can .
Aw man! I'm fricken excited and scared as hell... but more excited of course [Coffee]
There will be questions... oohh there will be questions... Thanks man! [Beer]
Aw man! I'm fricken excited and scared as hell... [Beer]
Nah, you're just shooting with friends. Don't let it get to you, it's just fun.
islandermyk
08-24-2013, 15:26
Have you guys ever shot enough or hot enough weather that mirage was resonating through your suppressor cover, and to top things off with mirage blasting up from the ground? Of course, being in the prone position made the ground in front of me seem like that's where mirage was starting..
Regardless of how much power I backed out or brought up, along with adjusting for parallax I was still getting a blurred sight of the target at 100. I started thinking that my glasses or my scope was dirty.
I noticed when I was shooting Jim's .223 bolt that mirage from the (lite profile) barrel was actually noticeable.
I'm almost under the impression that there isn't really much you can do about this, but to have your equipment sit and cool down.
That's pretty much it . Sometimes there isn't much you can do about it . The fabric can covers typically work better than the rubber one your running .
IF I knew, I'm note sure I would tell you.
islandermyk
08-25-2013, 03:59
That's pretty much it . Sometimes there isn't much you can do about it . The fabric can covers typically work better than the rubber one your running .
I wanted to try a fabric one out compare it to the silicon one I got. I got the silicon one for a couple of reasons and one being not worrying about it if I shoot in the rain or snow. I may make a purchase on a fabric one here shortly [Coffee]
IF I knew, I'm note sure I would tell you.
sharing is caring [Wiggle]
Great thread. Thanks guys. I'm thinking about all of this, no gun yet but I'm learning.
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