thanks tsa :(

[cofi]

my wifes dad gave her the family silverware set from the early 1800s she didnt want it to get stolen out of checked luggage so she had it in her carry on

tsa siezed all the forks and butter knives as weapons.....would not let her put them in her checked luggage and would not let her fill out a claim form or whatever to have them send them too her.....

they also finger fucked the pizza and crumb cake she got from jersey for me.....

wtf is going on with this country

[Monky]

wtf is going on with this country

I know you live in the sticks.. but you can't be under a rock :)

[kidicarus13]

Forks and butter knives from a vintage silverware set?! TSA must have believed she was going to arm the entire plane or something. STOOPID!

[vossman]

That's just wrong.

[DavieD55]

They stuck thier fingers in the cake?

[ruthabagah]

They stuck thier fingers in the cake?
Are you sure it was their finger they stuck in there?

[Rabid]

So they took them and would not give them back? That's just a little illegal... They have to give you the option to keep your property one way or another.

[Boadie30]

Which airport??

[funkymonkey1111]

So they took them and would not give them back? That's just a little illegal... They have to give you the option to keep your property one way or another.

they do? from what Cofi describes, these were seized as weapons, not an improper bottle of shampoo. I hate the TSA as much as anyone but if you tried to take a glock through the detector i'd bet you're not getting it back

[Aloha_Shooter]

On the one hand, I don't understand why your wife thought she was going to be able to transport them by hand and didn't just use FEDEX to send them home when even first class still gets plastic cutlery (on those few flights that still serve hot meals). On the other hand, TSA should have given her the option to get them back and NOT go through the security line. It would have been worth the cost of changing her ticket so she had the time to ship them home. I'd have asked to talk to a manager and get names and employee numbers so she could file a report with the TSA IG on what essentially was theft of antique heirlooms.

[Rabid]

they do? from what Cofi describes, these were seized as weapons, not an improper bottle of shampoo. I hate the TSA as much as anyone but if you tried to take a glock through the detector i'd bet you're not getting it back
Even their site exempts butter knives http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/prohibited-items. No law is broken until you get on the plane so they can not seize your property for a crime you have not committed.

[cofi]

Which airport??

Newark

im betting she didnt get anyones badge number is there any other way i can look up the incident? they basically stole our shit

edit: she told me they wouldnt give her the form because it was considered weapons and if it had been a snow globe or something she could have filled out a form and had them mailed to her and that she couldnt put it in her checked luggage because once your through the security you cant go back out

[cofi]

On the one hand, I don't understand why your wife thought she was going to be able to transport them by hand and didn't just use FEDEX to send them home when even first class still gets plastic cutlery (on those few flights that still serve hot meals). On the other hand, TSA should have given her the option to get them back and NOT go through the security line. It would have been worth the cost of changing her ticket so she had the time to ship them home. I'd have asked to talk to a manager and get names and employee numbers so she could file a report with the TSA IG on what essentially was theft of antique heirlooms.

why would we pay to send it home(and risk losing it that way) when she can just bring the shit with her?

[Aloha_Shooter]

You'd pay to send it home because you CAN'T take metal forks and knives with you on the plane -- but them claiming they were weapons to prevent her from reclaiming them is BS. Problem here is she has no documentation anymore and I'm sure the fsckers will claim they threw it out. If this happened recently, she MAY be able to get a supervisor to check security tapes but she needs to call immediately. I'd contact both the local head of TSA in Newark AND the IG (and make sure Newark knows you're complaining to the IG). Better yet, since her family is presumably local to Newark, have her father go pitch a fit to them in person -- much harder for them to ignore irate taxpayer loudly proclaiming "theft" in person than Jane Q. Public calling over a phone, especially if it just so happens the local news is present and filming while he's making his complaints. ;-)

[funkymonkey1111]

Even their site exempts butter knives http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/prohibited-items. No law is broken until you get on the plane so they can not seize your property for a crime you have not committed.

No law is broken until you get on the plane? Where the heck are you getting that? You mean to tell me all the times people tried to bring guns through a security checkpoint the TSA waits until they get on the plane?

Further, note that on the "butter knife" exemption the TSA states "Even if an item is generally permitted, it may be subject to additional screening or not allowed through the checkpoint if it triggers an alarm during the screening process, appears to have been tampered with, or poses other security concerns. The final decision rests with TSA on whether to allow any items on the plane." "Poses other security concerns" just about gives them carte blanche to prohibit what they want, even if their website says otherwise, all in the name of "safety."

Look, I don't agree with the TSA here at all--i'm just saying once there's a determination of a weapon (which is what Cofi said) you're not getting that thing back.

[newracer]

Even when I accidentally brought a leatherman into security (it had a small blade) they gave me the opportunity to mail it.

[Great-Kazoo]

why would we pay to send it home(and risk losing it that way) when she can just bring the shit with her?

Not to sure about NewArk. But in the rest of the country, they have this thing called INSURANCE to add on to any package sent of value.

[funkymonkey1111]

Even when I accidentally brought a leatherman into security (it had a small blade) they gave me the opportunity to mail it.

was that recently? they seem to be taking a harder line lately. of course, all the new signs threatening arrest for guns, knives, etc. don't include priceless family silver....

[mtnrider]

Even their site exempts butter knives http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/prohibited-items.

I was curious what there definition of butter knife was. This i s what I could find "A permitted round bladed butter knife has no serrated edges." They should probably clarify that in that link.

Personally I would have never tried to walk on a plane with that silverware. I know what the outcome would be.

[DavieD55]

Are you sure it was their finger they stuck in there?


I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't only fingers.

[Rabid]

No law is broken until you get on the plane? Where the heck are you getting that? You mean to tell me all the times people tried to bring guns through a security checkpoint the TSA waits until they get on the plane?

Further, note that on the "butter knife" exemption the TSA states "Even if an item is generally permitted, it may be subject to additional screening or not allowed through the checkpoint if it triggers an alarm during the screening process, appears to have been tampered with, or poses other security concerns. The final decision rests with TSA on whether to allow any items on the plane." "Poses other security concerns" just about gives them carte blanche to prohibit what they want, even if their website says otherwise, all in the name of "safety."

Look, I don't agree with the TSA here at all--i'm just saying once there's a determination of a weapon (which is what Cofi said) you're not getting that thing back.
Show me where it says you can not have a butter knife in an airport. Also i had the option to mail one of those multi-tools that looks like a key back to my self when i forgot it was on my key chain.

[Tinelement]

That sucks man.

I would have just mailed them home. Knife is a knife to the TSA.

[T-Giv]

Gotta think far ahead when you will be traveling through an airport these days. We are all just one dirty pair of underwear away from an overly violating strip search! [ROFL2]

[funkymonkey1111]

Show me where it says you can not have a butter knife in an airport. Also i had the option to mail one of those multi-tools that looks like a key back to my self when i forgot it was on my key chain.

Are you able to read? The post you quoted has the TSA policy they can prohibit whatever they want--coupled with the definition mtnrider found about serrations on a "butter knife." None of which has anything to do with your contention that "no law is broken until you get on a plane."

[newracer]

was that recently? they seem to be taking a harder line lately. of course, all the new signs threatening arrest for guns, knives, etc. don't include priceless family silver....

It was about a year ago.

[Ed_S]

TSA in general at the larger airports sucks, I know as being a frequent flier I encounter them all over. Most have a power trip and failed in basic courtesy. Whilst I'm sure they meet a lot of jerks I have witnessed many an altercation with regular people.
The look they give many people reminds me of the look you get at a high end auto dealer when you walk in wearing jeans, tee-shirt and sneakers.

[Rabid]

Are you able to read? The post you quoted has the TSA policy they can prohibit whatever they want--coupled with the definition mtnrider found about serrations on a "butter knife." None of which has anything to do with your contention that "no law is broken until you get on a plane."
Yes i can read how about you? I see where it says you can not have it on a plane but again where does it say you can not have a butter knife in an airport?

[mtnrider]

Yes i can read how about you? I see where it says you can not have it on a plane but again where does it say you can not have a butter knife in an airport?

Airport outside of screening yes. Once you go through that you are considered a boarding passenger.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Yes i can read how about you? I see where it says you can not have it on a plane but again where does it say you can not have a butter knife in an airport?

She tried to get it past security. That is a violation.

Sorry for your bad luck.

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

[th3w01f]

I was considering trying to carry on a spork I got from one of my co-workers a couple weeks ago until I read this page - http://www.salon.com/2011/12/22/hand_over_the_fork_sir/singleton/

If you have proof of the incident this may help - http://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/files/assets/pdf/sf95_cover_package_rev6_28.pdf

I also just found this which seems to contradict some of the above information.

Our officers would really rather not have you lose the trusty pocket knife your grandfather gave you. They would really prefer you didn’t have to surrender the knife you used to cut your wedding cake. When prohibited items (http://bit.ly/2mGgK8) come through the checkpoint, passengers are given options:

1) Take the item to the ticket counter and check it in your baggage or a box provided by the airport.
2) Many airports have a US Postal Service or other shipping services area where boxes, stamps and envelopes can be bought so you can ship your items home.
3) If there is somebody seeing you off, you can hand the prohibited item to them.
4) If your car is parked outside, you can take the item to your car.

If you’re not given these options, you should ask to speak with a supervisor or manager. You can also use the “Got Feedback?” (http://bit.ly/12Xl3g) program to contact TSA Customer Support at that specific airport.

http://blog.tsa.gov/2009/09/what-happens-to-your-prohibited-items.html

[Boadie30]

First of all a year ago??... 2nd TSA is not worried about your knifes at all and actually have recommended they come off the list repeatedly, its some in congress and public, airlines etc.. Also, if you have a problem at a checkpoint, ask for a supervisor, if you do not like that answer ask for the manager. Literally the last thing they want is to show up in the news for doing something there not supposed to do. Every airport a a TSA customer service rep.. Specifically for these type issues. There is nothing in their procedures that allows TSA to confinscate anything.. when something is its federal or local LE..

[Rabid]

Airport outside of screening yes. Once you go through that you are considered a boarding passenger.


She tried to get it past security. That is a violation.

Sorry for your bad luck.

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
The way i understand it, it is against airport policy to have a prohibited item past the check point and against the law to have it on the plane.

[Bailey Guns]

No law is broken until you get on the plane so they can not seize your property for a crime you have not committed.

That's just flat out wrong. Exempting butter knives or not, there are plenty of items that would be illegal to bring into the secure area of the airport or even up to the security checkpoint. Wandering around the unsecured side of the terminal? That's a different story.

ETA: Just saw your last post. Either way, you don't have to get on the plane to be breaking the law as you asserted in the quote.

[Boadie30]

No.. its all against the law.. checkpoint or sterile area.. there is law behind the way TSA operates.. All of which is haggled by congress.. TSA presently is not in the business of recommending anything that is not absolutley nessessary and is attemting to do only what is nessessary. The public has exactly the right control of TSA but TSA is not what the public needs to get fucking contol of really. Almost every thing the airport does as far as security is concerned is regulated by TSA but most of the regulations are in place or kept in place by congress.. there is so much concerning TSA that merely just politics and until we realize that politicians are using TSA as a shield things will not change.. I would like everyone to look into Pre check, Real Time Threat Assessment, DOD pre-check, known crew member, and many others.. These are inititives that are driven by TSA and the better part of congress that lead to the reduction of TSA..

[sniper7]

sorry to hear about the bad news. definitely would have been best to use fedex to get something like that home. checked baggage is pretty safe as well % wise.

[Mtn.man]

Bet she really sold off some and stashed the cash. Then cooked up the cool tsa thing.




Or is she just blond?

[mtnhack]

I would not have left without my property, outside of being arrested.

[cofi]

Her dad called Newark PD and everyone he could find a number for at the airport we are either getting the stuff back or getting compensated for it

[Aloha_Shooter]

Good to hear cofi. I hope they get it all back. Not letting her get it back to add back to her luggage was totally bogus and my first suspicion is someone had dollars in their eyes thinking about which pawn shops to visit on the way home.

[Rabid]

Good to hear Cofi.