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52nd and wadsworth is closed due to an accident. Looking like rider didn't make it. Got the white sheet out. Please be careful out there. Not a pretty scene. Lost against a RTD bus.
That sucks. Glad it wasn't me.
Yes, be careful out there.
Many drivers think their phone call or text message is more important than piloting a 3500 pound vehicle.
3beansalad
08-19-2013, 10:27
Tragic, a sad reminder to all who ride how little control we have against the inattentive cager.
kawiracer14
08-19-2013, 10:36
It amazes me how many people die at the hands of RTD operators (whether on foot, wheelchair, bicycle or MC)
hghclsswhitetrsh
08-19-2013, 10:37
That sucks bad.
It amazes me how many people die at the hands of RTD operators (whether on foot, wheelchair, bicycle or MC)
They aren't any better than any other driver out there.
Do we know what the motorcyclist did? He might have caused it himself.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_23891766/motorcyclist-dies-crash-rtd-bus-wadsworth
Scott Reed, a spokesman for RTD, said according initial reports from the scene, the bus had a green light and was driving through the intersection when the motorcyclist ran through a red light and crashed into the side of the bus.
3beansalad
08-19-2013, 12:09
Not to even suggest that the biker couldn't have been at fault, but where's the damage to the side of the bus?
Remember when RTD was dubbed "Runs Transients Down"?
It wasn't without reason...
SuperiorDG
08-19-2013, 12:18
I went by it this morning, could not see much. About 20 years ago I was on a ride along and we worked an accident with two young sailors on the same bike hit a bus. Killed both, one on impact and the other died before EMS arrived. Pretty messed up what happens when a bike hits a bus. Be safe out there.
hurley842002
08-19-2013, 12:42
Do we know what the motorcyclist did? He might have caused it himself.
This ^^
I won't lump drivers into any specific automotive category, there are shitty driver's/rider's and there are good ones.
Was it the RTD driver thinking he/she owns the road, or was the two wheeler riding as if they were invincible? I see both often enough, and hope that WHEN they cause an accident, they are the only ones who are injured.
Punkface
08-19-2013, 15:22
I went through before ems got there. very ugly scene. be careful on the road guys.
Not to even suggest that the biker couldn't have been at fault, but where's the damage to the side of the bus?
The side of the bus looks clean.
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2013/0819/20130819__CRASH_RJ19894~p1.jpg
I watched an RTD driver in Highlands Ranch drive through the median and oncoming turn lane on University to get through traffic being held up by a nasty crash....like he was entitled, ignoring the arm waving from the officers on the scene. It was nice to see the Dougco Sheriff run him down and pull him over. Was reading the driver the riot act by the time we caught up with them.
Drivers: Look twice, save a motorcyclists life.
Riders: Think twice, save your own life.
Two sides to every coin, be a better driver, be a better rider, and remember: most of the time, the bigger vehicle wins, no matter who was right or wrong.
PugnacAutMortem
08-20-2013, 08:52
It's stories like this one that reaffirm my decision to stop riding. Even if you are 100% paying attention 100% of the time while riding, that doesn't mean any other driver is doing the same.
dirtrulz
08-20-2013, 09:48
Every source I have heard and read said the motorcycle ran a red light and t-boned the bus. A good portion on motorcycle accidents are the riders fault. Too much speed and not enough skill are major factors.
sellersm
08-20-2013, 09:58
If you read the "Proficient Motorcycling" series of books, you can quickly see that much (not all) of the time it's the rider's fault. I say that with full disclosure: I ride year round, and have been a two-wheeled commuter (bicycle & motorcycle) for over 25 years (in NY and here).
We should always expect a car not to see us. We should always expect someone to cut us off, to turn right in front of us. We shouldn't ever have to "lay it down", we should have been anticipating, because we know we're invisible! These are the basic tenets of the books, and it provides great guidance on just how to ride so as to anticipate all these things and know what to do about them when they happen!
One of the best things that helped me, was the book "Effective Cycling" by John Forester (http://www.amazon.com/Effective-Cycling-John-Forester/dp/0262516942). He deals with the mentality of sharing the road with motor vehicles, and to boil it all down, you can sum it up with this, "think like a car & act like a car"! Our cycling club back in Rochester used to have his seminars and it was some of the best training I've ever received for riding, driving and being aware & prepared!!
Fwiw, the absolute worst thing on the roads back in NY were the school & city buses! Can't count how many times they wanted to run me over...
DingleBerns
08-21-2013, 00:04
Just to rest any questions that might be in the air, the bike did run a red light and collided with the front passenger side corner of the RTD which was traveling east.
I had a fatality motorcycle claim earlier this year. I found out that even though he died well before any responding authorities arrived, he was cited with careless driving. At first I couldn't believe that the rider would have been posthumously cited, regardless of fault. However, after discussing it with former LEO and realizing the scope of the decision, it felt a lot more like the correct decision.
DingleBerns
08-21-2013, 00:19
I had a fatality motorcycle claim earlier this year. I found out that even though he died well before any responding authorities arrived, he was cited with careless driving. At first I couldn't believe that the rider would have been posthumously cited, regardless of fault. However, after discussing it with former LEO and realizing the scope of the decision, it felt a lot more like the correct decision.
Where I work, we have to issue a summons to whoever is at fault.
Where I work, we have to issue a summons to whoever is at fault.
I understand more of the reasoning behind that now as I was saying. For one, the guy who ran over the motorcyclist, but wasn't at fault, will sure feel a little better when the issue of liability is not unsettled.
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