View Full Version : Huge Nerve-Agent Chem Attack in Syria?
KestrelBike
08-21-2013, 23:03
Ok so allegedly 500-2000 syrians are dead from a suspected chemical attack, 1 year after obummer drew his "red line" in the sand (snail trail from his monthly?)
What I want to know is: I thought that the FSA (free syrian army) was getting their asses kicked, and that assad's gov forces were holding strong and held the advantage. When things are going that way, I just don't think that the FSA could suddenly gain the upper hand and force Assad's army to frantically attack the damascus area with nerve agents, which is what the *West* told them was a red line. [and yes, I know there were suspected, even UN-acknowledged chemical attacks in Syria previously that obummer studiously ignored.. but nothing on such a scale as this, which is being compared to saddam hussein's gas attack on the kurds way back when]
So I'm thinking... I don't think Assad's forces did this. I think it's going so bad for the FSA that they got ahold of a shitload of chem weapons (seemingly not hard, and allegedly a shitload of these weapons went unaccounted for in Libya during that mess), and set them off in Damascus as a false-flag to get Western intervention against Assad's regime. Either way, it'd sadly be convenient for the world if all of them just were gobbled up by a country-sized sinkhole.
What say you?
Never believe the media. Especially when it comes to international political policy.
Al Quaida, whom the United States is helping, ran this chemical attack. The obama administration is partially responsible for each of those deaths.
Answer me this
1. Why are we helping the terrorists who murdered 3000 innocent people on 9/11
2. Why are we helping the terrorists who bombed the USS Cole?
3. Why are we helping the terrorists who blew up Khobar Towers?
4. Why are we helping the terrorists who murdered our Libyan ambassador?
5. Why are we helping the terrorists who fought and continue to fight against US forces in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other places around the world?
6. Why does the obama administration continue to stand behind Morsi in Egypt when Morsi allowed muslim brotherhood members to terrorize, murder, and rape Christians?
KestrelBike
08-22-2013, 12:30
Well here's a possible answer. http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2013/08/22/01003-20130822ARTFIG00438-syrie-l-operation-anti-assad-a-commence.php Sorry it's in French, couldn't find any domestic reports. Basically, they say that some Syrian Rebels had been commando-trained by Jordanian, Israeli, and American forces, and they just dropped/inserted those up jumped rebels into Damascus, allegedly triggering such a drastic response by the regime of chemical weapons.
Roberth agree with pretty much everything you're saying.
skullybones
08-22-2013, 15:31
I just wonder where they came from originally...
I just wonder where they came from originally...
Iraq or from the United States, obama only had to look to his fellow travelers to find someone evil and horrible enough to use them.
I predicted U.S. boots on the ground in Syria before the end of the year.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-22/american-israeli-and-jordanian-troops-and-cia-agents-have-entered-syria-le-figaro-re
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lefigaro.fr%2Finternational%2F2 013%2F08%2F22%2F01003-20130822ARTFIG00438-syrie-l-operation-anti-assad-a-commence.php
Time will tell.
Got oil? -we can help you.
No oil? -you're on your own.
Does Syria have oil?
We secured Iraqi oil for the Chinese.
Does Syria have oil?
Apparently not enough of it if they do. I feel for the people involved in this but I'm also fatigued by the U.S. taking it upon itself to try and solve the worlds problems. People die, dictators exist, famine happens, life isn't perfect.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/ss-121126-syria-conflict-update-jsw-02ss_full_zps6d8ba8ec.jpg
Apparently not enough of it if they do.
i stand by my statement that we will have boots on the ground, fighting along side al quaida in syria before the end of the year
meanwhile our boys will be killing and being killed by al quaida in other places
obama has the absolutely most fucked up idiotic commie liberal muslim foreign policy
Apparently not enough of it if they do. I feel for the people involved in this but I'm also fatigued by the U.S. taking it upon itself to try and solve the worlds problems. People die, dictators exist, famine happens, life isn't perfect.
You're right, it isn't our place, we have no business being involved.
Sometimes I wonder if there would be more freedom in the world if the United States would just wait for the citizens of other countries to get pissed off enough to revolt against their tormentors. Once the citizens are so pissed off that they start taking action against their dictators we just mail them a copy of The Constitution and Bill of Rights and a promise to help them after they overthrow the dictator. That way the revolution would belong to the citizens of that country and not to the American soldier. The citizens would have run the risks, spilt the blood, and sacrificed themselves on the altar of liberty and they would have self-respect and self-determination instead of watching the soldiers of another country do their fighting for them.
Self-respect is earned by doing things yourself, not by having someone do them for you.
The U.S. has a fairy unimpressive record when it comes to puppet-selecting leaders abroad. Noriega, Marcos, Saddam Hussein, -the cure often seems worse than the initial disease...
The U.S. has a fairy unimpressive record when it comes to puppet-selecting leaders abroad. Noriega, Marcos, Saddam Hussein, -the cure often seems worse than the initial disease...
It is fairy when we have a fairy for CIC. :):)
centrarchidae
08-22-2013, 21:50
Remind me, which side is the pro-US side again?
Oh, wait, both the AQAP-backed FSA and the Hezbollah-backing Syrian-government are both ass-deep in anti-US terrorism?
I guess I can see the compelling US interest in taking sides here.
Remind me, which side is the pro-US side again?
Oh, wait, both the AQAP-backed FSA and the Hezbollah-backing Syrian-government are both ass-deep in anti-US terrorism?
I guess I can see the compelling US interest in taking sides here.
Our best interest is to sit on the sidelines and let them kill each other off.
Things are definitely warming up in Syria.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10265765/Navy-ready-to-launch-first-strike-on-Syria.html
Obama is going to aid and abet Al Queda and the Muslim Brotherhood in their wholesale slaughter of Syrians
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/356799/peter-king-us-should-use-cruise-missiles-syria-or-else-iran-wont-take-seriously-ban
Are you guys ready for yet another war?
Reports are surfacing on syrian social media of a line of US tanks at the border. Nuclear submarines and destroyers have also moved into the mediterranean sea.
Im putting it at 48 hours at this point. If anyone wants me to put up an intel thread I can post some info here.
Reports are surfacing on syrian social media of a line of US tanks at the border. Nuclear submarines and destroyers have also moved into the mediterranean sea.
Im putting it at 48 hours at this point. If anyone wants me to put up an intel thread I can post some info here.
Boots on the ground already? But Obama said he wouldn't --> http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/04/world/meast/us-syria-obama
How do you people like helping the terrorists who took down the World Trade Center towers? Where is cindy sheehag to protest all these wars? Oh right, war is bad unless a (D) is large and in charge. Well (D)bags, you're getting the peace you voted for, you stupid fucks.
Reports are surfacing on syrian social media of a line of US tanks at the border. Nuclear submarines and destroyers have also moved into the mediterranean sea.
Which border?
If you know the movements of US nuclear submarines then there are some people at your door that need to talk to you.
Boots on the ground already? But Obama said he wouldn't --> http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/04/world/meast/us-syria-obama
How do you people like helping the terrorists who took down the World Trade Center towers? Where is cindy sheehag to protest all these wars? Oh right, war is bad unless a (D) is large and in charge. Well (D)bags, you're getting the peace you voted for, you stupid fucks.
http://i.imgur.com/ozIt4j5.jpg
ChunkyMonkey
08-26-2013, 20:17
^ his sarcasmeter is broken.
^ his sarcasmeter is broken.
Indeed.
Well, I wonder how much it will cost the U.S. to rebuild Syria...[facepalm]
Indeed.
^ his sarcasmeter is broken.
I got it, Was just passing a pun back
Well, I wonder how much it will cost the U.S. to rebuild Syria...[facepalm]
It's only money stolen from us, our children, their children, and their children.
Just wait until Syria in the good hands of the MB, they'll start a war with Israel. Gee, I wonder whose side Obama will be on for that one.
I got it, Was just passing a pun back
:)
<MADDOG>
08-26-2013, 21:37
Remind me, which side is the pro-US side again?
Oh, wait, both the AQAP-backed FSA and the Hezbollah-backing Syrian-government are both ass-deep in anti-US terrorism?
I guess I can see the compelling US interest in taking sides here.
This...
And sadly, our beloved leader has drew the "red line"" last year. It's a no win situation for the US.
If there is a US response, and Assad's forces did use agents, there is a high probability Iran will jump in and show its economic abilities to shut down the oil lanes. Oh, and Russia will probably get involved in one form or another. If Assad's forces did not use the agents, and the FSA (and it's Al Qaeda affiliates) did, then the US is seen as supporting a terrorist organization (which we pretty much are as seen in foreign media outlets anyway), and has egg on its face for supporting the "wrong side" (still pissing off Iran and Russia BTW).
And if the US does nothing; the POS is seen as the weak world leader he is (further discrediting the US in the international community), there is a further bloodshed over borders, and/or there is further chem-weapon escalation. Don't forget that certain Hebrews don't necessarily care for nerve agents out their back door either.
That's my very short synopsis, but I don't see this ending well in either condition.
Got gas?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/ss-121126-syria-conflict-update-jsw-02ss_full_zps6d8ba8ec.jpg
Detroit?
From: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/57454
“Pay attention! You are seeing the opening acts to a global war, to World War III. Refer to the information I gave you right after the attacks in Benghazi, specifically to the information contained in‘Lemmings…at the precipice of WW III (http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50087)’ and you will see that everything I divulged to you was precisely correct. World War III will begin in Syria, and no one on the planet (and Americans in particular) will be left untouched by what is about to take place. This has been planned for some time, and we are now seeing it happen right in front of us.” Those are the words of a trusted source with deep ties to the intelligence community, before providing more insight into what we might expect as this ‘crisis’ escalates and “Syria explodes.”
So what do you think will happen when an Al Queda terrorist sees an American soldier? Now they are supposed to be on the same side, will the terrorist support the American or kill him at the first opportunity.
BPTactical
08-27-2013, 10:16
So what do you think will happen when an Al Queda terrorist sees an American soldier? Now they are supposed to be on the same side, will the terrorist support the American or kill him at the first opportunity.
Two dogs are fighting each other.
A cat walks by.
The dogs cease fighting each other and both go after the cat.
We are the cat.
Two dogs are fighting each other.
A cat walks by.
The dogs cease fighting each other and both go after the cat.
We are the cat.
Thank you.
Bailey Guns
08-27-2013, 14:23
Every time I start to think life under the Obama administration couldn't get any worse they surprise me with their ingenuity at totally f**king things up further. We'll all be lucky to survive the remainder of his time in office.
BPTactical
08-27-2013, 14:53
I feel we are watching the stage be set for the next world war.
Allegedly Russia and China have substantial and credible evidence that the rebel side engaged with the chem attack and they passed this information to Washington.
Washington in its arrogance continues to blame the Assad government forces.
We move on this both Russia and China will hold a grievance with us.
"Red Dawn" anybody??
<MADDOG>
08-27-2013, 16:23
In every lie, there is a truth...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbfcceEkn_M
That is an excellent website, <MADDOG>
http://stormcloudsgathering.com/
<MADDOG>
08-27-2013, 20:31
Who's going to blink?
Israel vows "fierce" response to potential Syrian attack
JERUSALEM, Aug. 27 (Xinhua) -- Israel will respond with force to any attempts by Syria and its backers to attack the Jewish state in the wake of a possible U.S. strike against the Syrian government of President Bashar al-Assad, Israel's security chiefs warned Tuesday evening.
"Those who will attempt to harm us will meet us sharp and resolute more than ever before," Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Benny Gantz said in a live broadcast on Israel's Channel 2.
"Our enemies should know that we are determined and ready to defend our civilians, in any action we might have to undertake," Gantz said at a commemoration ceremony to honor fallen soldiers.
Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon, who spoke after the IDF chief, said that Israel, while not involved in the bloodshed in Syria and other conflicts in the Middle East, remains vigilant in the face of regional developments.
"We hear the threatening voices directed toward the State of Israel... and we say clearly and decisively: whoever dares to test us will meet the prowess of the IDF," Ya'alon said in a statement released by his office.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-08/28/c_125260604.htm
BPTactical
08-27-2013, 20:53
Obama is a little boy trying to play in a big boy game.
He will get his ass handed to him and we will be lucky to survive it.
Great-Kazoo
08-27-2013, 21:40
The Guns of August ?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/newsmakers/fears-larger-war-middle-east-180559605.html?vp=1
Rooskibar03
08-27-2013, 21:44
Wife asked me, if this Syria thing goes down and things go to shit what else are we missing from our preps?
A lot was my response.
<MADDOG>
08-27-2013, 21:58
Oh, who are we kidding, let's get back to what means more...
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/pperron/Miley-Cyrus-performance-at-MTV-VMA-2013-2223057_zpsdd399411.jpg (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/pperron/media/Miley-Cyrus-performance-at-MTV-VMA-2013-2223057_zpsdd399411.jpg.html)
The Guns of August ?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/newsmakers/fears-larger-war-middle-east-180559605.html?vp=1
Good link BTW; I was explaining the WWI similarity to my better half. I hope we're all wrong.
Bailey Guns
08-28-2013, 18:54
However, President Obama in an interview with PBS Wednesday declared unequivocally that the United States has "concluded" that the Syrian government carried out the attack.
Read more: FOX NEWS (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/28/israeli-intelligence-first-confirmed-assad-regime-behind-alleged-chemical/#ixzz2dJZ2QAIV)
Hmmm... When the Bush administration "concluded" through various intelligence collection efforts and foreign governments that Saddam Hussein possessed WMD and used them on his own people, as a prelude to war in Iraq, their were not enough vile adjectives in the left's vocabulary to describe him.
When the Obama administration "concluded" Syria was responsible for chemical weapons attacks on their own people through the use of various intelligence collection efforts and foreign governments, as a prelude to war in Syria, let's see what the left has to say.
for an idea of what we'd be stepping into:
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/8/28/a-night-in-the-fieldclinic.html
Really Bad Idea. All kinds of factions each fighting for their part. There is no side that would be in our interest to have in charge so we'd only be fighting to end the killing...
DavieD55
08-28-2013, 20:14
for an idea of what we'd be stepping into:
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/8/28/a-night-in-the-fieldclinic.html
Really Bad Idea. All kinds of factions each fighting for their part. There is no side that would be in our interest to have in charge so we'd only be fighting to end the killing...
That might be the plan on purpose.
kawiracer14
08-29-2013, 14:02
No Proof that Assad was behind the attack:
A report by the Office of the Director for National Intelligence outlining that evidence against Syria includes a few key caveats - including acknowledging that the U.S. intelligence community no longer has the certainty it did six months ago of where the regime's chemical weapons are stored, nor does it have proof Assad ordered chemical weapons use, according to two intelligence officials and two more U.S. officials.The humanitarian group Doctors Without Borders has said an Aug. 21 rock strike killed 355 people.
A three-page report released Thursday by the British government said there was "a limited but growing body of intelligence" blaming the Syrian government for the attacks. And though the British were not sure why Assad would have carried out such an attack, the report said there was "no credible intelligence" that the rebels had obtained or used chemical weapons.
full article here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_UNITED_STATES_SYRIA_INTELLIGENCE_DOUBTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-08-29-03-11-56
The UK is out.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-29/uk-rejects-syria-military-strike-obama-willing-go-it-alone
I wonder what ol' shit-for-brains will do now.
BPTactical
08-29-2013, 18:41
The UK is out.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-29/uk-rejects-syria-military-strike-obama-willing-go-it-alone
I wonder what ol' shit-for-brains will do now.
Royally piss off the rest of the world by attempting to play a very serious and deadly game when he is a rank and arrogant amateur.
His ideology has the potential to cost millions of lives.
He is a clear and present danger and the fact that he wishes to lend aid to basically AQ is near treasonous in nature.
Iran,Russia and China have already told him to sit this one out.
China and Russia have the ability to kill us financially.
Iran, hell they'll just kill us.
Tell me, just how many "sleeper cells" are in the country?
The UK is out.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-29/uk-rejects-syria-military-strike-obama-willing-go-it-alone
I wonder what ol' shit-for-brains will do now.
Yeah, this ought to be interesting.
What is the pResident trying to hide?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-30/revelation-will-not-be-televised-white-house-declines-tv-networks-request-live-cover
Mark Knoller ✔ @markknoller (https://twitter.com/markknoller) White House has declined TV networks request for live coverage of Pres. Obama's remarks on Syria at 230pm.
These bastards are going to get more good Americans killed, if they want a war so bad why doesn't that son-of-a-whore get his own AK47 and step out with his al queda buddies.
Rumor is that US intercepted a phone call in Syria about the attack and how it was more potent than they had planned.
Nation building is tough business. We were helped immensely by many countries during our war of independence: France, Netherlands, Spain and others helped us out. France went bankrupt helping us and then had a revolution of their own.
These countries were looking out for their own interests when they helped us. They wanted to weaken the British, because of Britain’s military strength and widespread colonization. We are now the British; putting leaders “puppets” in control of a country in order to serve us.
We are doing what France did and bankrupting our country to “help” other countries out for our loosely defined interests. It seems our biggest interest is keeping much of the world destabilized so we can get what we want from them, and they know if they don’t do what we want we will depose or destroy them as well.
Of course we are always told we are spreading freedom and democracy. I don’t know about that, but our leaders are sure spreading something around.
NATO bails on our feckless leader.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-30/and-another-deserts-nato-says-obama-his-own
NATO Secretary General, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, setting the stage for the defense alliance NATO will have no role in any military action in Syria.
...
"I predict not a NATO role in what I here call an international reaction to the regime in Damascus, says Anders Fogh Rasmussen at a press conference in Vejle.
However, it can change the situation if NATO member Turkey, which shares a border with Syria is attacked. At present, Nato keen rockets along the border in order to respond to any aggression.
Bailey Guns
08-30-2013, 15:33
How many times does Obama have to step on his dick before people realize the only thing he does well is step on his dick?
How many times does Obama have to step on his dick before people realize the only thing he does well is step on his dick?
Hadji is covered, all he has to do is promise our money to the free shit army.
I just wonder where they came from originally...
Saddam. It's blatantly obvious, considering a high level Iraqi officer defected and wrote a book about trucks crossing from Iraq into Syria prior to our invasion in 2003... Now when the pictures come out of the victims of this attack let's hold them side by side with the Kurds from the mid-90's that had chemical weapons used on them in the uprising against Saddam. And people called Bush a liar....
Saddam. It's blatantly obvious, considering a high level Iraqi officer defected and wrote a book about trucks crossing from Iraq into Syria prior to our invasion in 2003... Now when the pictures come out of the victims of this attack let's hold them side by side with the Kurds from the mid-90's that had chemical weapons used on them in the uprising against Saddam. And people called Bush a liar....
Iraq or the Iranians, maybe we were helping the Saudi's, maybe the Saudi's got Saddam's WMD and gave it to Al Quada. In any case Saddam had WMD and moved it before the invasion. I could see President Bush telling the Saudis that we were going to invade and that WMD was on the table, maybe the Saudi's took care of Saddam's family as they fled Iraq and the payback was WMD. Between them and from opposite sides the Bush administration and the media have completely screwed up the facts.
Iraq or the Iranians, maybe we were helping the Saudi's, maybe the Saudi's got Saddam's WMD and gave it to Al Quada. In any case Saddam had WMD and moved it before the invasion. I could see President Bush telling the Saudis that we were going to invade and that WMD was on the table, maybe the Saudi's took care of Saddam's family as they fled Iraq and the payback was WMD. Between them and from opposite sides the Bush administration and the media have completely screwed up the facts.
The media screw up the facts? That's just crazy talk... they never do that! [Sarcasm2]
Punting to Congress so he doesn't have to lose face, he can blame on Congress.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-31/and-now-its-golfing-time-or-putin-1-obama-0
After bringing the world to the edge of WWIII and nearly giving the first order to launch the ironically named Patriot missile, then dramatically punting in the very last second whether to invade Syria to Congress, something he should have done from the every beginning, Obama went on to do what he does best.
Hey barry, do us all a favor and go golfing every day until your term is up.
One more thing
FUCK YOU Hadji
Bailey Guns
08-31-2013, 17:29
What a pussy.
<MADDOG>
09-01-2013, 01:08
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10266957/Saudis-offer-Russia-secret-oil-deal-if-it-drops-Syria.html
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-31/unidentified-marine-sums-it-all
:)
One of the comments
If you voted for the President....you voted for Al Qaeda....twice.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/
They are going to muddle this up so bad we'll never be able to factually figure out who did it even though al queda did it with saudi/u.s. help.
That's ok as long as hadji can't commit US forces to help al queda.
Who benefits from a war with Syria?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-01/guest-post-who-benefits-war-between-united-states-and-syria
They are going to muddle this up so bad we'll never be able to factually figure out who did it even though al queda did it with saudi/u.s. help.
That's ok as long as hadji can't commit US forces to help al queda.
i agree 100%.
stoner01
09-02-2013, 06:29
http://www.examiner.com/article/breaking-news-rebels-admit-gas-attack-result-of-mishandling-chemical-weapons
This just popped up as a link in one of my FB feeds. Still trying to verify.
stoner01
09-02-2013, 06:34
http://www.examiner.com/article/breaking-news-rebels-admit-gas-attack-result-of-mishandling-chemical-weapons
rockhound
09-02-2013, 06:35
We dont have any reason to be worrying about it anyway, it is not a direct threat to our national security so stay out of it already
stoner01
09-02-2013, 06:36
*Sorry. Forgot there was a thread in L&P. Feel free to delete.*
But I agree, stay out.
cmailliard
09-02-2013, 07:27
So here are my thoughts and have been the whole time since the Sarin attack. We must do something, When looking strartegically there are threats to the United States. The first is weakness, the red line comment forced our hand one year ago. In this case the President needs to nut up or shut up. Second you all have commented on who is fighting, what if AQ gets their hands on chemical weapons? This is not only a threat to our allies but possibly directly to the United States.
The CW threat to the Unites States is real, especially when the Federal Government is currently reducing its capability to respond to Weapons of Mass Destruction. WMD preparedness is very weak at all levels of response with the exception of the military. CBIRF is the best resource available. CERFP's are available but with a 24 readiness window.
On a history note, Ronin is right, these CW's are more than likely from Iraq. It's no coincidence that federal and local WMD preparedness staring increasing in 2002-2003. In fact on 9-11 I was at the Center for Domestic Prepareness in Aniston AL taking part in evaluating the training program rolled out by TEEX to prepare first responders for WMD's.
Of course I am just a high school teacher, what do I know.
cmailliard
09-02-2013, 07:37
Forgot to add, on the tactical side our target should be the CW's, regardless of which side they are on. This keeps us neutral but targets the true threat to the United States and our allies. This must be done with boots on the ground which nobody wants, but it is a specific objective and best option from a national security standpoint.
Right now we look like a monkey fucking a football. It is amateur hour in Washington.
You're right, it isn't our place, we have no business being involved.
Sometimes I wonder if there would be more freedom in the world if the United States would just wait for the citizens of other countries to get pissed off enough to revolt against their tormentors. Once the citizens are so pissed off that they start taking action against their dictators we just mail them a copy of The Constitution and Bill of Rights and a promise to help them after they overthrow the dictator. That way the revolution would belong to the citizens of that country and not to the American soldier. The citizens would have run the risks, spilt the blood, and sacrificed themselves on the altar of liberty and they would have self-respect and self-determination instead of watching the soldiers of another country do their fighting for them.
Self-respect is earned by doing things yourself, not by having someone do them for you.
Agreed! This is exactly how it should happen.
HoneyBadger
09-02-2013, 10:01
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<MADDOG>
09-02-2013, 10:30
So here are my thoughts and have been the whole time since the Sarin attack. We must do something....The CW threat to the Unites States is real, especially when the Federal Government is currently reducing its capability to respond to Weapons of Mass Destruction...
Based on that methodology of thinking; I guess we better strike Egypt, Pakistan, Iran, and North Korea at the same time. We cannot allow CW's to get into the hands of terrorists right?
If the UK is saying they won't get involved, regardless of if we do or not, that says something. One of our most loyal and steadfast allies won't back any action we may take, we should probably take a hint.
I just watched a documentary from the BBC last night on the history of Syria and how it got to this point. Bashar Al-Assad's old man was a friend to the Muslim Brotherhood (sounds like a certain world leader we know of in the west), Bashar can't have fallen that far from the father. They both are also part of the Ba'ath party (so was Saddam)- which the Ba'athists align quite closely with European Socialist ideology (see: Nazi Germany) but then they throw in a mix of secular Islamist ideas, which when mixed together equal just about everything we do not stand for here in America- traditionally. So the choice is which evil does Obama want to support? The socialists who want "equality" for all Syrians (which includes 10% of the population that is Christian)? Or the Al Qaeda rebels who want to adhere to strict Sharia Law (which would seek to eradicate the Christian minority in Syria if they gain power)?
wctriumph
09-02-2013, 11:49
Well, just to simplify things, we should keep Israel's back and remove ourselves from the middle east, let the muslims have their civil wars in which eventually they will kill millions of them selves with Russian and Chinese arms. After they do that they will have then become a "state" of sorts and we will have a real target to shoot at. Once they unite their hold in the middle east they will go after Europe as hard as they can and make a big push into our extremely tolerant neighbor to the north, Canada. Europe will need to grow some balls to stop the islamic take over of their own countries. While they go after Europe they will at the same time push into India too. Then Russia will be targeted for extermination. The communists will hold out in China and the mostly Catholic areas of South and Central America will go commie before they go muslim.
I'm old so simple works for me, still trying to figure out which way things will go here in the USA but I have an idea where I will stand if things get really out of hand here.
http://www.examiner.com/article/breaking-news-rebels-admit-gas-attack-result-of-mishandling-chemical-weapons
This just popped up as a link in one of my FB feeds. Still trying to verify.
Ah! So the coverup (mishandling my 'Merican ass) has started because the initial plan to blame Assad failed.
http://shoebat.com/2013/08/27/evidence-syrian-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-not-assad/
http://extremeprejudiceusa.wordpress.com/2013/08/28/us-contractor-in-georgia-cited-as-source-for-syrian-chemical-attacks/
The other question is "Why would Assad need to use CW when he is winning?" The logic doesn't follow, CW is for when you're desperate and losing or you're trying to influence the politics surrounding your conflict.
ChunkyMonkey
09-02-2013, 12:38
Ah! So the coverup (mishandling my 'Merican ass) has started because the initial plan to blame Assad failed.
http://shoebat.com/2013/08/27/evidence-syrian-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-not-assad/
http://extremeprejudiceusa.wordpress.com/2013/08/28/us-contractor-in-georgia-cited-as-source-for-syrian-chemical-attacks/
The other question is "Why would Assad need to use CW when he is winning?" The logic doesn't follow, CW is for when you're desperate and losing or you're trying to influence the politics surrounding your conflict.
Good reading & some interesting video. Thanks!
cmailliard
09-02-2013, 12:41
Based on that methodology of thinking; I guess we better strike Egypt, Pakistan, Iran, and North Korea at the same time. We cannot allow CW's to get into the hands of terrorists right?
If Intel shows they are supporting AQ with direct aid (supplying and training) in CW's, yes, absolutely. This is what AQ has wanted all along, Weapons of Mass Destruction.
If Intel shows they are supporting AQ with direct aid (supplying and training) in CW's, yes, absolutely. This is what AQ has wanted all along, Weapons of Mass Destruction.
What if that intel discovers the Saudis and our own oval office participated?
clublights
09-02-2013, 17:15
What has my spidey sense tingling is that it was sarin
The Japanese Terrorists made their own back in 95 ... perfectly plausible that this is a false flag by the rebels to get us involved. they know they can't when in a conventional fight without help.
ANd of course the reports that Saddam's chems went to syria .. the rebels may have captured some and used it in the false flag attack.
If the Syrian government really did do it... why are they letting the UN inspectors do their jobs with no reports of hassles? They know if they did it and it can be proven they are gunna get more cruise missiles then they can count shoved down their throats. Then the drones and fighters jets start to show up....
ChunkyMonkey
09-03-2013, 00:03
What if that intel discovers the Saudis and our own oval office participated?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/6/syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-not-assads-regi/
UN inspector: Evidence points to strong suspicion that the Rebel did use Sarin gas.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-03/boehner-comes-out-supports-obamas-call-action
Boehner is a dumbass and a coward. We need an (R) leader, not some crying, (D) cocksucker.
mdflem51
09-03-2013, 18:15
If fucking Mc Cain and "Lindsey" are on board I`m out! These cocksuckers want to give amnesty to the illegals. McCain is where he is for two reasons his dad and gran' pa 7th from the bottom of his class. Let the muzzie cocksuckers kill each other..until they pose a threat to Israel Then all bets are off..They will retaliate.. Then Nukes will be used..
<MADDOG>
09-03-2013, 20:44
1st...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67c_1378210946
i bet saddam had the same kind of video
<MADDOG>
09-03-2013, 21:13
2nd.
Let me start by saying; I do not believe all of the things this gentleman/channel states. However, there are quite a few arguments that are made in his/its videos that connect the dots more so than other commentary/opinions I have seen.
Also: I am trying to find a video that the BBC published and Liveleak posted around 3-4 months ago (really hard to track it down now). It explicitly shown a BBC reporter visiting a Syrian suburb/community, wherein the locals told to her to leave, as they believed she would not listen to their point of view. Cliff note version: the locals adamantly stated (in broken English) that the Assad was not the "bad guy", and that the "rebels" were the ones creating the hell on earth for the Syrian people.
IMO; we are opening a can o' worms as I stated on an earlier post. And as a bonus; the zombies are watching Miley Cirus and ignoring our beloved government detract from certain issues such as Obamacare, immigration reform, the imploding deficit, NSA, etc, etc.
Anyway; 17 minutes of video, most of which cannot be refuted...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk
<MADDOG>
09-03-2013, 21:59
Oh, and no answers from JK from RP either, aside from dodging the questions..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEcch-r28Bc
stoner01
09-04-2013, 08:06
Apparently, according to Oblahblah, its the worlds fault that there was a "red line" set.
Obama stating he "didn't set a red line" is bogus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=avQKLRGRhPU
From: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/04/25/background-conference-call-white-house-official-syria
...
We go on to reaffirm that the President has set a clear red line as it relates to the United States that the use of chemical weapons or the transfer of chemical weapons to terrorist groups is a red line that is not acceptable to us, nor should it be to the international community. It's precisely because we take this red line so seriously that we believe there is an obligation to fully investigate any and all evidence of chemical weapons use within Syria.
...
On your red line question, it is absolutely the case that the President's red line is the use of chemical weapons or the transfer of chemical weapons to terrorist groups.
...
But I think nobody should have any mistake about what our red line is. It is when we firmly establish that there has been chemical weapons use within Syria, that is not acceptable to the United States, nor is the transfer of chemical weapons to terrorist organizations. And the people in Syria and the Assad regime should know that the President means what he says when he set that red line. And keep in mind, he is the one who laid down that marker. He's the one who directed that we provide this information to the public. And he's the one who directed that we do everything we can to further investigate this information so that we can establish in credible, corroborated, factual basis what exactly took place.
...
So there should be no mistaking our determination not just to get to the bottom of these reports, but to send a message that as we establish the facts here and as we continue to stick to a red line that makes clear that the use of chemical weapons is unacceptable to us, the United States of America is committed to following through on what the President said, which is that Bashar al-Assad and his regime will be held accountable for these types of actions. And I think we're joined by other like-minded friends and allies who share that view.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n6ePJXR216c
sellersm
09-04-2013, 09:53
MADDOG: there's a lot of discussion, in various places, about this 'proxy war'. History shows how wars are more than some ideological thing between people that "just can't get along". There is quite a bit of information, similar to this, available today. As you astutely observed, though, people are more interested in 'entertainment' than truth and reality...
I really do not care what one Syrian does to another. I do not want US taxpayer money being spent to help either a dictator or Al Qaeda backed rebels.
sellersm
09-04-2013, 12:25
The big-O talking about there not being a 'red line' reminds me of Clinton and his scandal... All depends on how you define your words, I guess!
Liberals re-define words to suit their purposes every day. A word means what the liberal says it means, at that moment, as long as it aids totalitarianism.
France determines that Assad did the attack.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-03/france-says-it-has-proof-of-syrias-chemical-weapons-use/4930416
France says it will provide clear evidence that the Syrian regime was behind last month's devastating chemical attack, as Western leaders bid to overcome widespread scepticism to military action.
They will say anything to bolster their dhimmitude to Al Queda. Why don't they go back in time and talk to Neville Chamberlain about appeasement, then ask Churchill about the results of that appeasement.
And now the Obama Administration is asking to be the Arab's bitch
From: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/liveblog/the-houses-syria-hearing-live-updates/?id=e68f139f-e012-476c-876e-2467ba30e5e3
Secretary of State John Kerry said at Wednesday’s hearing that Arab counties have offered to pay for the entirety of unseating President Bashar al-Assad if the United States took the lead militarily.
“With respect to Arab countries offering to bear costs and to assess, the answer is profoundly yes,” Kerry said. “They have. That offer is on the table.”
Asked by Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) about how much those countries would contribute, Kerry said they have offered to pay for all of a full invasion.
“In fact, some of them have said that if the United States is prepared to go do the whole thing the way we’ve done it previously in other places, they’ll carry that cost,” Kerry said. “That’s how dedicated they are at this. That’s not in the cards, and nobody’s talking about it, but they’re talking in serious ways about getting this done.
[Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang]
blatant mercenary work? That's what the US military is now?
kidicarus13
09-04-2013, 14:48
And now the Obama Administration is asking to be the Arab's bitch
From: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/liveblog/the-houses-syria-hearing-live-updates/?id=e68f139f-e012-476c-876e-2467ba30e5e3
Secretary of State John Kerry said at Wednesday’s hearing that Arab counties have offered to pay for the entirety of unseating President Bashar al-Assad if the United States took the lead militarily.
“With respect to Arab countries offering to bear costs and to assess, the answer is profoundly yes,” Kerry said. “They have. That offer is on the table.”
Asked by Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) about how much those countries would contribute, Kerry said they have offered to pay for all of a full invasion.
“In fact, some of them have said that if the United States is prepared to go do the whole thing the way we’ve done it previously in other places, they’ll carry that cost,” Kerry said. “That’s how dedicated they are at this. That’s not in the cards, and nobody’s talking about it, but they’re talking in serious ways about getting this done.
[Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang]
That should be a great boost to the economy. I knew Obama was great President [hahhah-no]
blatant mercenary work? That's what the US military is now?
The end goal is to surround Israel with hostile forces and push the Jews into the Med. Obama is doing the bidding of the Muslim Brotherhood, US troops are cannon fodder in this game.
sellersm
09-04-2013, 15:01
I won't get into the details, but there are prophecies in the Bible about this... Fortunately, I know who wins at the end!
BPTactical
09-04-2013, 15:03
But all the oil was supposed to pay for for Iraq too..........
We have heard this crap before.
But all the oil was supposed to pay for for Iraq too..........
We have heard this crap before.
Wolfowitz right?
I won't get into the details, but there are prophecies in the Bible about this... Fortunately, I know who wins at the end!
...and the path to victory is quite gruesome.
Is The Messiah talking loudly along with his fellow travelers? They don't have anything on Assad, the MB wants Assad out of the way, this is emotional theater without any facts, something liberals do very well.
two shoes
09-05-2013, 07:31
Republican Rep. Chris Collins said voters in his western New York district are "overwhelmingly against involvement." The freshman congressman is undecided.View gallery."
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/OfE8e.qY3OUrwMr.LN2YtQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTE4OTtxPTg1O3c9MzAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/6f46305cd443731d3c0f6a7067005ba7.jpg
Senate Foreign Relations Committee members Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz, center, and Sen. Rand Paul, R-K …
(http://news.yahoo.com/photos/senate-foreign-relations-committee-members-sen-john-mccain-photo-202333766--politics.html)
"Really, I'm looking for the president to justify limited military strike and establish what are the objectives he's seeking and what is the mission," Collins said in a phone interview.
How can a Senator be undecided when his constituents are "overwhelmingly against involvement."???
sellersm
09-05-2013, 09:51
How can a Senator be undecided when his constituents are "overwhelmingly against involvement."???
Does the name 'John Morse' ring a bell? They're all using the same playbook... It's the new 'moralism' of today: they go to DC and 'vote their conscience', and since people have been indoctrinated to believe that we should all be free to do 'what is right in our own eyes', then we're OK with it, in fact, we applaud them for "standing firm and making the hard decisions". It's all messed up. Big time.
BPTactical
09-05-2013, 11:24
"We the People" has been replaced with "Wee Little Peeons".
Please make a note of the change.
Thank you,
Management
P.S.- awesome avatar SellersM
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<MADDOG>
09-08-2013, 11:54
"But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
OK, nerve agents were used. Who was it that used them? I'm not hearing anything but the assumption that it was Assad.
OK, nerve agents were used. Who was it that used them?
The US backed "rebels" used them. The United States is indirectly responsible for the murders of over one thousand people via chemical weapons.
I'm not hearing anything but the assumption that it was Assad.
Of course not, that meme doesn't fit the predetermined "truth".
muddywings
09-09-2013, 08:48
I've emailed bennett and udall and my house rep to give them my opinion and advise I'm a solid "no" against intervention. Please let them know where you stand.
sellersm
09-09-2013, 08:55
I've emailed bennett and udall and my house rep to give them my opinion and advise I'm a solid "no" against intervention. Please let them know where you stand.
So they can "listen" to us like they've listened in the past? [AR15]
muddywings
09-09-2013, 09:09
So they can "listen" to us like they've listened in the past? [AR15]
exactly...the more time I hear a rep/senator pull a "Morse" (don't bother listening to your constituents) the more fired up I get....
and I'll just leave this here: http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnekdahl/14-principled-anti-war-celebrities-we-fear-may-hav-a1x1
RblDiver
09-09-2013, 09:57
So they can "listen" to us like they've listened in the past? [AR15]
I emailed Udall, Bennet, and Polis on another few matters about a month and a half ago. Got a partial reply from Udall; canned copy/paste, and only tangentially addressed one of my questions, but it was more than the other two sent me.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-09/us-refuses-admit-checkmate-russia-and-syria-redirects-purpose-military-incursion
"Failing to respond means more and more Syrians will die from Assad’s poisonous stockpiles." —@AmbassadorRice (https://twitter.com/AmbassadorRice)
#Syria (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Syria&src=hash)
They are still promoting the lie that Assad ran this chemical weapons attack. Now they are saying they will enable Al Queda to run more of these chemical weapons attacks.
Both groups in Syria are horrible, how do you like being the really bad guys?
sellersm
09-09-2013, 13:15
Might want some tinfoil on, but given the events of late, it may not be necessary. Posted here for historical sake: http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/09/05/undocumented-nukes-moved-to-sc-next-day-graham-warns-of-nuke-attack-on-sc/
Zundfolge
09-09-2013, 14:06
Might want some tinfoil on, but given the events of late, it may not be necessary.
Ugh ... Alex Jones nuttery.
muddywings
09-09-2013, 18:50
Obviously not impressed with POTUS since day one but his handling of foreign policy has been pathetic!
I keep thinking of this with his handling of the Syrian BS:
http://youtu.be/HLUX0y4EptA
http://news.yahoo.com/leaked-iranian-letter-warned-us-syrian-rebels-chemical-184400423.html Iran, Russia and Turkey all seem to have proof it was rebels doing the gas attacks.
<MADDOG>
09-09-2013, 20:50
exactly...the more time I hear a rep/senator pull a "Morse" (don't bother listening to your constituents) the more fired up I get....
and I'll just leave this here: http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnekdahl/14-principled-anti-war-celebrities-we-fear-may-hav-a1x1
At least two libs have "spoken" out
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/syria-why-hollywoods-anti-war-623326
http://news.yahoo.com/leaked-iranian-letter-warned-us-syrian-rebels-chemical-184400423.html Iran, Russia and Turkey all seem to have proof it was rebels doing the gas attacks.
Nothing to see here, move along...
As sad as it seems; the only one that seems to wish to keep the peace is Russia (for whatever reason it may be). Are we looking at the fall of Rome?
From my latest KGS Media Nightwatch
Syria: The fighting has continued with no let up. The government has made small gains in multiple areas. However an al-Qaida-affiliated group of the al Nusra Front drove government forces from the village of Maaloula. This is one of the three villages in the world that still speak a variation of Western Aramaic, which is the language thought to be closest to the language spoken by Jesus of Nazareth.
As occurs whenever a Christian village is captured, the fighters looted and burned the churches as well as the Christian homes. Government forces were reported to be preparing to retake the village on 9 September.
These are the people we are backing. How do you like them apples?
stoner01
09-10-2013, 08:50
What stood out to me from that email as well, with particular relevance to my situation.
Iraq-Syria: For the record. The Iraq government announced that it joined Iran in opposing a US attack against Syria.
Comment: Iraq just showed its true allegiance when it counts most -- not to the US, but to Iran
stoner01
09-10-2013, 08:53
From my latest KGS Media Nightwatch
These are the people we are backing. How do you like them apples?
You forgot the last part:
Syrian opposition fighters released a Belgian and an Italian whom they had held hostage since April. The two arrived in Italy on 9 September. The terms of their release have not been disclosed.
The Belgian, Pierre Piccinin, told Belgian press that he overheard three rebels, one of whom identified himself as a Free Syrian Army general, talking about the gas attack on 21 August. He said the rebels said the Syrian government did not execute the attack or any attack. The rebels said it was the rebels who executed the attack in order to trigger Western intervention.
Comment: The Belgian was still in captivity when he overheard the conversation. This adds weight to the contention the case against Asad is fraudulent because Piccinin says he has been a strong supporter of the rebel movement. He said since he has been covering the Syrian uprising, the "revolution": has turned into something very dangerous.
Yeah, I didn't cover everything.
RblDiver
09-10-2013, 14:00
I emailed Udall, Bennet, and Polis on another few matters about a month and a half ago. Got a partial reply from Udall; canned copy/paste, and only tangentially addressed one of my questions, but it was more than the other two sent me.
OK, now I have to wonder if Udall has people reading this forum or something. I post this yesterday, and finally today I actually got a real response from Udall. I mean, there's a bunch of typical politician-speak, but it actually addressed my concerns! (Too bad I sent it before the Syria thing came to the forefront, otherwise I'd have included a "stay the hell away" bit).
Clare Daly, an Irish Lawmaker tells it like it is during Irish parliament which was captured on video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QIMucHfUMyg
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