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Major Nidal Hasan has been found guilty of killing 13 people and wounding more than 30 others at the Fort Hood military base.
The army psychiatrist could face the death penalty after military jurors reached unanimous verdicts on all 45 counts of premeditated murder and attempted murder.
Hasan gave no visible reaction as the verdict was read out.
The jury will begin hearing the "penalty phase" of the court martial on Monday and make a recommendation to the judge, who will determine the sentence.
If the death penalty is approved, Hasan would face death by lethal injection for the 2009 shooting spree on the Texas base.
The 42-year-old defended himself during the 13-day trial but chose not to call witnesses or testify and questioned only three of prosecutors' nearly 90 witnesses.
In statements to the judge the American-born Muslim suggested that he believed the attack was justified as a jihad against the US military campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Hasan never denied opening fire in a crowded waiting room at Fort Hood, where unarmed troops were making final preparations to deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq.
All but one of the dead were soldiers, including a pregnant private who curled on the floor and pleaded for her baby's life.
The sentencing phase is expected to begin with more testimony from survivors of the attack in a medical center where soldiers were waiting in long lines for immunizations and medical clearance.
About 50 soldiers and civilians testified of hearing someone scream "Allahu akbar!" - Arabic for "God is great!" - and seeing a man in Army camouflage open fire.
Many identified Hasan as the shooter and recalled his handgun's red and green laser sights piercing a room made dark with gun smoke.
The military's death row has just five other prisoners and no other soldier has been executed since 1961.
http://news.sky.com/story/1132506/fort-hood-shooting-major-nidal-hasan-guilty
Thank God.
Send him to his supposed virgins, and be quick about it.
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Force Feed Him a couple pounds of Bacon and then Shoot his ass.
RblDiver
08-23-2013, 12:34
Or take him to a hog farm and drown him in excess bacon grease.
Or take him to a hog farm and drown him in excess bacon grease.
Off-topic, but what is this "excess bacon grease" you speak of?
Sounds like "spare change".
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I wish that we just had one "mad max" style prison where we would send people like this. No food, not water, no hope and just a big cage full of people like you. Go in once and a while to burn the corpses, but other than that when you are convicted of a crime and receive the death penalty then you go in the hole. I am only talking cases where they have absolute proof that the crime was committed and that it warrants lethal consequences. That simple, that cheap and be done with it. Don't even waste a bullet.
Yup fry his worthless ass in bacon grease.
Now you idiots who qualified this as a workplace violence issue instead of a terrorist incident would get off your ass and do the right thing. Off topic sorry. Pisses me of still...
KestrelBike
08-23-2013, 13:00
Yup fry his worthless ass in bacon grease.
Now you idiots who qualified this as a workplace violence issue instead of a terrorist incident would get off your ass and do the right thing. Off topic sorry. Pisses me of still...
Watch as obummer pardons him. Sorry that's not even funny to try to joke about.
I doubt he will get executed but if he does I hope the chef is awesome and slips in something pork related into his final meal!
UrbanWolf
08-23-2013, 13:05
Chances are this guy might be the next Nathan Dunlap, pardoned.
3beansalad
08-23-2013, 13:16
How about we drop him off over his favorite muslim country, from say 20K feet with no chute?
RblDiver
08-23-2013, 13:31
Off-topic, but what is this "excess bacon grease" you speak of?
Sounds like "spare change".
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It's the amount you have left over from eating that, while still tasty, you're willing to donate to the good cause of his execution!
Watch as obummer pardons him. Sorry that's not even funny to try to joke about.
Less funny since I can see it being one of the King's last pardons the day before he leaves office.
KestrelBike
08-23-2013, 14:03
Less funny since I can see it being one of the King's last pardons the day before he leaves office.
Gallows humor, but wouldn't that be a funny big F U to America?
RblDiver
08-23-2013, 14:06
Less funny since I can see it being one of the King's last pardons the day before he leaves office.
I'd like to see a situation like from Chicago:
"He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife ten times."
Thank God.
Send him to his supposed virgins, and be quick about it.
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death penalty is too easy this fuckwad needs to be making tiny rocks out of big rocks for years
Feed the asshole feet first into a wood chipper, with the chute directed into a hog pen...
JMBD2112
08-23-2013, 14:50
death penalty is too easy this fuckwad needs to be making tiny rocks out of big rocks for years
Had a guy in our Barracks that caught selling dope......he got sent to Leavenworth and I guess they made the CO go check on him periodically.... rumor had it he was splitting wood and busting rocks. I don't know how true this is, but I wouldn't doubt it.
As far as Hasan goes, I hope he get's sent to the gallows.
UrbanWolf
08-23-2013, 15:30
How about we drop him off over his favorite muslim country, from say 20K feet with no chute?
He will die right away, not good.
Rooskibar03
08-23-2013, 17:54
The guy wants to die, I say he does hard time at closest pig farm for life. He gets a cot right in the middle of the pen to sleep on.
KestrelBike
08-23-2013, 19:03
Had a guy in our Barracks that caught selling dope......he got sent to Leavenworth and I guess they made the CO go check on him periodically.... rumor had it he was splitting wood and busting rocks. I don't know how true this is, but I wouldn't doubt it.
As far as Hasan goes, I hope he get's sent to the gallows.
haven't had to break rocks, but I'd pick splitting wood over sitting alone in a cell or even being cooped up in a cell block, anyday. Even for no pay.
Undecided whether I want him dead or to live out his life in useless squalor. Can't decide which is worse.
BPTactical
08-23-2013, 20:54
Saw a show on Russian prisons.
They KNOW how to deal with prisoners.
Do not execute him, that is what he wants.
Make him sit in a cell for 23 hours a day, with bible passages on every wall and gospel music playing all day.
Throw in some death metal sporadically to keep him on his toes.
hurley842002
08-23-2013, 21:00
Saw a show on Russian prisons.
They KNOW how to deal with prisoners.
Do not execute him, that is what he wants.
Make him sit in a cell for 23 hours a day, with bible passages on every wall and gospel music playing all day.
Throw in some death metal sporadically to keep him on his toes.
The "black dolphin", some of the worst scum in the world are humbled at that place.
BPTactical
08-23-2013, 21:12
The "black dolphin", some of the worst scum in the world are humbled at that place.
That's the place! Prisoners have their hands behind their back bent over forward with a guard putting a hammerlock on them as they walk. Oh, and a nice big Rooskie puppy who wants to play following them.
They don't fawk around, a prisoner is a prisoner and they have no rights.
BushMasterBoy
08-23-2013, 21:23
We don't have any rights anyways...
Rooskibar03
08-23-2013, 21:39
That's the place! Prisoners have their hands behind their back bent over forward with a guard putting a hammerlock on them as they walk. Oh, and a nice big Rooskie puppy who wants to play following them.
They don't fawk around, a prisoner is a prisoner and they have no rights.
I saw that show. Note to self, don't ever end up in a Russian prison.
SA Friday
08-23-2013, 22:12
He has half a body. I say make him live in it a long long time.23 hours in a box, one hour to roll around and shower. Back in the box.
All food for him will be cooked in lard. Don't give this information to him until on his deathbed.
When dead, burn his body along with pig feces and then spread them in a jewish burial ground.
BPTactical
08-24-2013, 04:27
^^^ I couldn't insult a Jew like that.
Otherwise I like it!
Aloha_Shooter
08-24-2013, 20:31
IIRC, under Sharia law he would be handed over to the families of his victims. No questions asked, no expectation of getting anything back. They get to determine what justice he would receive. There'd be some sweet irony in giving him "justice" under Sharia law.
KestrelBike
08-25-2013, 07:21
I saw that show. Note to self, don't ever end up in a Russian prison.
after watching that show, I figured my sole endeavour would be to find a way to kill myself. That is the worst prison imagineable to actually exist (that we know about!)
sabot_round
08-25-2013, 12:13
How about we drop him off over his favorite muslim country, from say 20K feet with no chute?
That would be a waste of jet fuel.
Just tie 'em to a tree in the middle of Texas and leave 'em to the fucking crows!!
Just tie 'em to a tree in the middle of Texas and leave 'em to the feral pigs!!
FIFY
sabot_round
08-25-2013, 12:44
FIFY
That works too!![Beer]
Wouldn't break my heart if the fire ants got to him first, either. ;)
Sentenced to death.
http://news.yahoo.com/fort-hood-shooter-nidal-hasan-gets-death-penalty-192904908--abc-news-topstories.html
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/8/28/ft-hood-shooter-sentencedtodeath.html
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/8/7/ft-hood-shooter-seeksdeathpenaltyforhisactions.html
The U.S. military hasn't executed anyone since 1961 and is unlikely to break that trend for an officer who called for his own death and throughout the court proceedings failed to put up any kind of defense that would mitigate that.
If we're lucky there will be a suicide.
DavieD55
08-28-2013, 13:57
if they havent executed anyone since 1962, that means he gets the death penalty allright. He will grow old, have multiple masters degrees, cost us zillions and have a nice long gray beard when he dies peacefully in prison.
No kidding... Wouldn't be surprised if he was able to collect a pension and be entitled to a weekly pizza party as well.
Aloha_Shooter
08-28-2013, 14:13
haven't had to break rocks, but I'd pick splitting wood over sitting alone in a cell or even being cooped up in a cell block, anyday. Even for no pay.
Undecided whether I want him dead or to live out his life in useless squalor. Can't decide which is worse.
I want him to sit in that cell uselessly as a busted down E-1 in his rusty wheelchair until the moment when he decides life is worth living ... then throw a noose around his neck and drop the floor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHSkMwUa2i4
I've heard there are lots of accidents in prison.
You know, the kind with sharpened toothbrushes or mix-ups with drain cleaner and things.
funkymonkey1111
08-28-2013, 16:35
interesting article from the commies at Mother Jones about the FBI's botched "investigation" of Hassan pre-shooting.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/nidal-hasan-anwar-awlaki-emails-fbi-fort-hood
if these folks can see it, wonder why the administration can't? (yes, i know starting with W we can't actually call someone an islamist--that would make too much sense)
BushMasterBoy
08-28-2013, 17:20
When is the Congress gonna wake and declare Islam a terrorist organization? And yeah the Constitution is just gloss...
When is the Congress gonna wake and declare Islam a terrorist organization? And yeah the Constitution is just gloss...
As soon as they finish completely gutting the bill of rights.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/82841-The-Bill-of-Rights-for-those-that-don-t-remember-%28With-The-Preamble-to-The-Bill-of-Rights%29
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
It is even the first few words of the first one.
When their religion says it's OK to kill non-believers, I have a problem with that.
When their religion says it's OK to kill non-believers, I have a problem with that.
Most organized religions have passages about killing those who worship other gods being ok.
Circuits
08-28-2013, 20:05
Hassan sentenced to death. Will it ever come to O's desk, and will he have the stones to sign it? Or will he Hickenlooper out?
Aloha_Shooter
08-28-2013, 20:16
Most organized religions have passages about killing those who worship other gods being ok.
Um, where the hell are you getting this? The Bible doesn't say it's okay in genera (there's a big difference between saying "make no graven images" and "go kill anyone who doesn't worship the way you do") and I don't recall any similar injunctions in Shinto-ism, Tao-ism, Buddhism. In fact, the Ten Commandments specifically say, "thou shalt not murder." Hell, even the Greek and Norse gods didn't say "go kill people that worship other gods".
Most organized religions have passages about killing those who worship other gods being ok.
You must not have understood the historical context of the Tanakh or the Bible. They were not open-ended directives.
Deuteronomy 17:12-Anyone who shows contempt for the judge or for the priest who stands ministering there to the LORD your God is to be put to death. You must purge the evil from Israel. Exodus 22:19-Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. 2 Chronicles 15:12-They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. Deuteronomy 13:7-If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.
When is the Congress gonna wake and declare Islam a terrorist organization? And yeah the Constitution is just gloss...
Islam is a religion. It's no more of a terrorist organization than Christianity (which also went on a murdering spree of everyone who wouldn't convert, a few times)
Islam is a religion. It's no more of a terrorist organization than Christianity (which also went on a murdering spree of everyone who wouldn't convert, a few times)
There's a distinct difference between "Christianity" and "Catholocism".
Dave, that's Old Testament historical context, not the path Christians are to take in their daily lives.
Deuteronomy 1:1
These are the words Moses spoke to all Israel in the wilderness east of the Jordan—that is, in the Arabah—opposite Suph, between Paran and Tophel, Laban, Hazeroth and Dizahab.
The Bible isn't just a bunch of words that can be thrown around in an argument. Context is everything.
He is in a wheelchair...................
Maybe someone will roll him in front of a bus !!! [Mad]
I was raised Catholic, we got more old testament hellfire and brimstone than new testament stories. I've known Protestants that still go for the old testament lines as much as the new as well.
He is in a wheelchair...................
Maybe someone will roll him in front of a bus !!! [Mad]
Maybe someone will forget to unlock his wheels and walk away as a train is coming.
Aloha_Shooter
08-28-2013, 22:48
Deuteronomy 17:12-Anyone who shows contempt for the judge or for the priest who stands ministering there to the LORD your God is to be put to death. You must purge the evil from Israel. Exodus 22:19-Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. 2 Chronicles 15:12-They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. Deuteronomy 13:7-If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.
You're taking these out of context. Your quotes were instructions to the Israelites who had been led to Jehovah to hold fast to their religion. Those aren't instructions to kill all non-believers. Christians, Jews and Muslims have all had their faults and high points but I still contend your thesis that "most religions" have instructed their adherents to kill practictioners of other religions is false.
Hassan sentenced to death. Will it ever come to O's desk, and will he have the stones to sign it? Or will he Hickenlooper out?
I heard on the radio today that even if he doesn't try to fight the decision, it is the norm for the military to re-evaluate the whole case before proceeding. They said that it would likely take a minimum of 4 years.
Sorry about not getting the correct legal terms.
yep. it will still be a long drawn out process. it took this long and $5 million to get him sentenced. i don't get what took soo long. not like there was much of a case to prove....
Islam is a religion. It's no more of a terrorist organization than Christianity (which also went on a murdering spree of everyone who wouldn't convert, a few times)
Islam is a political ideology (masquerading as a religion) intended to subjugate the world under Sharia law.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
The Crusades were defensive in nature, small by comparison, and ended over 800 years ago. Jihad is offensive, covers vast geographic areas, and has lasted over 1400 years and counting.
Fight it, or join it. These are your only choices.
kawiracer14
08-29-2013, 09:13
All this talk about the Black Dolphin had me watching the Russian Prison documentary on Netflix last night - very interesting indeed. Seems like the US needs a prison system similar to that one.
And Hasan gets the death penalty....
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-fort-hood-20130829,0,2987958.story
Any bets on if he'll ever be executed? I'd be happy to volunteer for a firing squad, although I might miss and hit him in the knee...[fudd]
BPTactical
08-31-2013, 19:54
I saw today where he has to shave his beard when he hits death row.
Military regulations.
How much you wanna bet BHO signs an EO exempting him?
centrarchidae
08-31-2013, 21:20
Either way, he'll be dead. Who the hell cares what his hair looks like at that point?
I saw today where he has to shave his beard when he hits death row.
Military regulations.
How much you wanna bet BHO signs an EO exempting him?
Mick-Boy
08-31-2013, 22:17
Yes it's from the Duffleblog (Hint: It's satire kids). But common, that shit is funny.
Admin Error Sends Bradley Manning to Death Row, Nidal Hasan to Gender Reassignment Surgery (http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/08/admin-error-hasan-manning/)
Read more: http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/08/admin-error-hasan-manning/#ixzz2dbxr0RHo
stoner01
08-31-2013, 22:20
Yes it's from the Duffleblog (Hint: It's satire kids). But common, that shit is funny.
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh youll ruin the secret
BPTactical
09-01-2013, 09:08
Either way, he'll be dead. Who the hell cares what his hair looks like at that point?
But,but without his beard he is not a good mooselimb and won't get hims vurguuns.
Boo-hoo
Either way, he'll be dead. Who the hell cares what his hair looks like at that point?
Thank you. Everyone here is so bent out of shape, they want to put religion on trial, instead of the person.
How is this any different from persecuting guns because someone was shot?
BPTactical
09-01-2013, 11:12
Thank you. Everyone here is so bent out of shape, they want to put religion on trial, instead of the person.
How is this any different from persecuting guns because someone was shot?
Snap out of it Brony Boy.
His fucking ideology/religion IS the reason the crime occurred.
A criminal does not yell Allah Ahkbar when committing his murders.
An ideological/religious zealot does however.
Until folks realize that this is an ideological battle, the body counts of infidels will continue to rise.
Snap out of it Brony Boy.
His fucking ideology/religion IS the reason the crime occurred.
A criminal does not yell Allah Ahkbar when committing his murders.
An ideological/religious zealot does however.
Well if he went through the trouble of getting all the way to Major before pulling this off, that was quite the long con..
We should probably kill off all the other religions as well to make sure this doesn't happen again.
theGinsue
09-01-2013, 12:56
Islam is a political ideology (masquerading as a religion) intended to subjugate the world under Sharia law.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
The Crusades were defensive in nature, small by comparison, and ended over 800 years ago. Jihad is offensive, covers vast geographic areas, and has lasted over 1400 years and counting.
Fight it, or join it. These are your only choices.
Thanks for sharing that video. Very informative. I just had to share it on FB myself.
How were the Crusades defensive in nature? It was literally convert or be killed, exactly the same as what you argue Islam is all about.
The Crusades were religious conflicts in the High Middle Ages through to the end of the Late Middle Ages conducted by Catholic Europe against Muslims, pagans, heretics, and peoples under the ban of excommunication. The geographic spread included the Near East, Al-Andalus, North Africa, Eastern Europe And Northern Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
Sounds pretty fucking vast to me.
BPTactical
09-01-2013, 13:32
Well if he went through the trouble of getting all the way to Major before pulling this off, that was quite the long con..
We should probably kill off all the other religions as well to make sure this doesn't happen again.
You clearly do not know much of the ideology do you? It is wholly acceptable to lie, deceive and use whatever means to further the cause of of Islam. They will lie in wait for years, feigning friendship and peace only to exact Jihad when the time is opportune.
Hasan's actions had been questioned for years, no one spoke up for fear of career suicide and reprisal.
I became friends with a gent who worked at the gas station I frequent up the street. He was from eastern Africa, Attreya (sp?) which is predominantly mooselimb. I asked if he was and he said no, he was a Christian. He shared some insight into Islam, as he had many friends who were.
A few things really stuck in my head.
They may be your friend, but they will always be a Muslim, first and foremost.
No matter how good a friend, you will always be an infidel.
An infidel is always an enemy to Islam.
All infidels are inferior.
Jihad is a holy calling, and when called a good Muslim must engage in Jihad.
Think about this: since 9/11 there have only been 4-500 new permits issued for churches. There have however been thousands issued issued for mosques.
Imagine during WWII if America had allowed thousands of Shinto shrines and Aryian churches to be built.
Nothing like inviting the enemy to dinner with open arms and a silver plate.
Our naïve and ignorant tolerance will get us killed.
They will lie in wait for years, feigning friendship and peace only to exact Jihad when the time is opportune.
Like Catholic priests and young boys?
Think about this: since 9/11 there have only been 4-500 new permits issued for churches. There have however been thousands issued issued for mosques.
Can you source this claim?
Imagine during WWII if America had allowed thousands of Shinto shrines and Aryian churches to be built.
So you're saying it was right to round up all the Japanese and stick them in camps during the war, then?
Our naïve and ignorant tolerance will get us killed.
Damn that tolerance!
BPTactical
09-01-2013, 14:05
When you are surrounded by 32 snakes that look and act the same but only 31 are poisonous how do you figure out which one is "the good snake"?
You don't, you treat every snake like it will kill you.
That's just what we did with the internment camps, right or wrong given the nature of Pearl Harbor I understand the response.
I will try to find the church vs mosque statistics but it was a couple years ago when I saw them, just thought it was an interesting point. Hell, I have one less than six blocks away from me, used to be my kids dentist office.
Its called infiltration.
And as far as the "tolerance", you can exercise as much of it as you like as you sit in your basement playing computer games and arranging your "My Little Pony" collection.
This "ideology" and "religion" perseveres at seeing the western/christian way of life eradicated from the earth.
They would love nothing more than to see our nation a series of funeral pyres and scorched earth.
Tolerance is for the weak.
Circuits
09-01-2013, 14:06
We gotta remember, there's a time for tolerance and a time for revenge killin' .... timing is everything.
BPTactical
09-01-2013, 14:23
We gotta remember, there's a time for tolerance and a time for revenge killin' .... timing is everything.
You just watched "Next of Kin" didn't you???
You clearly do not know much of the ideology do you? It is wholly acceptable to lie, deceive and use whatever means to further the cause of of Islam. They will lie in wait for years, feigning friendship and peace only to exact Jihad when the time is opportune.
Hasan's actions had been questioned for years, no one spoke up for fear of career suicide and reprisal.
I became friends with a gent who worked at the gas station I frequent up the street. He was from eastern Africa, Attreya (sp?) which is predominantly mooselimb. I asked if he was and he said no, he was a Christian. He shared some insight into Islam, as he had many friends who were.
A few things really stuck in my head.
They may be your friend, but they will always be a Muslim, first and foremost.
No matter how good a friend, you will always be an infidel.
An infidel is always an enemy to Islam.
All infidels are inferior.
Jihad is a holy calling, and when called a good Muslim must engage in Jihad.
You are so correct Bert. My co-worker is from Nigeria. He is a Christian and for those defending Tolerance with Mooslibs / Islam need to hear true life experience with living with them.
My co-worker grew up Christian, Islam moved in and at first "they are peace and tolerance" then when there is enough of them they start demanding segregation and rules based off of Islam/Sharia law. For those who do not agree either get forced out or violence erupts and they, "mooslibs" wipe away the "infidels" from their presence. My co-worker has shared some pretty horrific stories.
How about that Christian woman in Afghanistan who is to be hung simply by drinking out of a well that is only for Mooslibs? That is so civilized huh? (sarcasm)
Islam is a Archaic / Barbaric / Sexist religion with no leeway for tolerance of "Anyone" else's beliefs and views. In their eyes you need to convert or be removed. Period.
I have a great disdain for Islam, the history and the barbaric actions it truly shows, the presence here in the USA is tolerated for now, preaching "Islam a religion of peace," but look at other country's where Islam has taken over, there is no peace and tolerance to anyone that might not be Mooslib. These barbaric actions are not happening in the USA yet as they dont have a majority of followers.
Christianity was not innocent in the past / historically, but that is where the similarities end. Christianity has grown more civilized as a whole in current centuries, Islam has not, still its basic Barbaric teachings.
I still wont judge an individual simply by their religion, as I judge by their actions, but with any Mooslib, I trust but verify.
I think we should round up all gun owners because a small minority of them go on spree shootings
I have known a bunch muslims back when I was flipping cars in tha jers probably the most honest business people I have met I have a hard time believing they were laying in wait ready to strike
all this hate speak goes directly against what this country is founded on
Aloha_Shooter
09-01-2013, 17:44
Either way, he'll be dead. Who the hell cares what his hair looks like at that point?
Because he's been collecting pay for the past years as a commissioned officer while violating standards of conduct and dress. Even after being reduced in grade, he'll still technically be a member of the US Army while he's sitting on death row so he has to adhere to standards. He can violate US Army standards all he wants while he's flirting with his 72 virgins and his corpse is feeding the local worm population but he damn well better be in reg until the doctor signs his death certificate.
Aloha_Shooter
09-01-2013, 17:53
Well if he went through the trouble of getting all the way to Major before pulling this off, that was quite the long con..
We should probably kill off all the other religions as well to make sure this doesn't happen again.
[fail]
Hasan got his medical degree in 2003 and was commissioned as a captain. He had only been promoted to major 6 months before the shooting in 2009. Coworkers expressed concern about his "anti-American" views during his internship and residency at Walter Reed. In plain effing English, the man showed his extremism years ago and should have been kicked out long before the shooting. The fact he wasn't appears to me to be prima facie evidence of the culture of political correctness and frankly anti-Americanism that is becoming embedded in the DC elite.
The fact you either don't know about this or don't care just shows either your ignorance or the depths of your liberalism ... (admittedly, that statement is rather redundant).
I have known a bunch muslims back when I was flipping cars in tha jers probably the most honest business people I have met I have a hard time believing they were laying in wait ready to strike
all this hate speak goes directly against what this country is founded on
Not sure I would say they, Mosslibs are ALL laying in wait to strike either, (insert conspiracy theorist here) USA is full of people who no matter what background would not buy into it. The Muslim Brotherhoods goal is to conquer the world with Islam. World Domination Blueprint Muslim Brother hood (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/08/27/Outside-View--Muslim-Brotherhoods-world-domination-blueprint)
Like the 1,000 denominations of Christianity, Islam probably has varying degrees as well. There are Christian Groups & Sects I despise as well, Westboro, FDL anyone? None are as violent as Islam we see outside the USA. I can't speak for others but I dont HATE someone because of their religion, just their actions; however, what I hear from first hand accounts of Islam in their life, reading the news, and the only person I ever worked with that was Muslim, I am not impressed.
BPTactical
09-01-2013, 20:17
I have known a bunch muslims back when I was flipping cars in tha jers probably the most honest business people I have met I have a hard time believing they were laying in wait ready to strike
all this hate speak goes directly against what this country is founded on
I'm sure a slew of folks thought the same of their Japanese and German friends too about 68 years ago............
We cannot afford complacency
theGinsue
09-01-2013, 20:38
I completely share in Berts views on this.
If you look as the infiltration of the "religion of peace" everywhere across the planet you'll see that once their numbers are high enough the peace starts to fade, violence and non-Muslim intimidation becomes the norm. It's already starting here in America along with their push to institute Sharia law (which, to date, has been shut down, but...). We have a President and liberal majority hell-bent on eliminating the Constitution which is the ONLY protection against the eventual implementation of Sharia.
One day you'll look back and wonder how you could have been so naive.
hurley842002
09-01-2013, 20:46
I completely share in Berts views on this.
If you look as the infiltration of the "religion of peace" everywhere across the planet you'll see that once their numbers are high enough the peace starts to fade, violence and non-Muslim intimidation becomes the norm. It's already starting here in America along with their push to institute Sharia law (which, to date, has been shut down, but...). We have a President and liberal majority hell-bent on eliminating the Constitution which is the ONLY protection against the eventual implementation of Sharia.
One day you'll look back and wonder how you could have been so naive.
Agree, and agree with Burt. That's all I'm going to say on the topic, because I was [-] close to calling Ridge some very choice names, and we all know name calling gets us nowhere, besides I kind of enjoy hanging out on this forum.
Aloha_Shooter
09-01-2013, 20:58
To be fair, judging all Muslims by the actions of Hasan, the Tsarnaevs, and al Qaeda is somewhat like judging all Christians by the Westboro Baptist idiots. My frustration stems in part from the fact that most Christians of any other denomination condemn the Westboro crowd and it's hard to find the Muslims openly condemning Hasan and al Qaeda. If anything, CAIR pops up EVERY time there's an act of violence tied to Islamic extremism to accuse everyone else of Islamophobia while pointedly ignoring any request they recognize there are such things as Islamic extremists. It's like Hillary loudly proclaiming no one can question her patriotism or that of other Democrats when no one HAD questioned it -- all at the same time they were actively undermining any efforts to protect the country just because the guy doing the protecting was a Republican. JLook at how many people are claiming poor little Djokar is an innocent being victimized by the US.
As a general rule, I don't believe in conspiracies but there is a convenient overlap of agendas between anti-Western/tradition leftists and the anti-Jewish/Christian/Western Islamists.
Look at the foundations of the religion.
Christian foundations are laid out in the Bible. The Bible says nothing of killing non-believers as a practice to achieve salvation.
Muslim foundations are laid out in the Quran. The Quran says a lot about enslaving and killing non-believers as a practice to achieve salvation.
In my opinion, Westboro's behavior directly conflicts with the teachings of Christ.
BPTactical
09-02-2013, 06:53
all this hate speak goes directly against what this country is founded on
"Hate" is not a part of the equation.
Know thine enemy.....
buffalobo
09-02-2013, 06:57
"Hate" is not a part of the equation.
Know thine enemy.....
+1,
and be ever vigilant.
I'm sure a slew of folks thought the same of their Japanese and German friends too about 68 years ago............
We cannot afford complacency
Bert first off you know we love you to death over here
But going by your statement here are you saying that we should have killed/interned/kicked out all the Japanese/Germans in our country??
And as far as sharia law goes.....come on guys wtf I watch Fox over here 24/7 and even I think that's a lot of bullshit were going to all of a sudden as a society start chopping people's arms off???? Get rid of the laws this country was founded on?
...were going to all of a sudden as a society start chopping people's arms off???? Get rid of the laws this country was founded on?
Not suddenly. Look up incrementalism. As an example look at the way the liberals have been nibbling away at our gun rights. And property rights. And other rights. You can also look at England and what they are doing in Europe.
Any free, tolerant society is self destructive in the end because it lets those that don't believe in freedom achieve power.
BPTactical
09-02-2013, 08:17
Bert first off you know we love you to death over here
But going by your statement here are you saying that we should have killed/interned/kicked out all the Japanese/Germans in our country??
And as far as sharia law goes.....come on guys wtf I watch Fox over here 24/7 and even I think that's a lot of bullshit were going to all of a sudden as a society start chopping people's arms off???? Get rid of the laws this country was founded on?
No Ian, going by my statement simply infers that many Americans were quite surprised to find that many of their Japanese-American and German-American friends were sympathetic to their home countries cause during WWII. Many German-Americans returned to "The Fatherland" to answer the call as did a number of Japanese-Americans.
Do you realize that German-Americans were interred here in the states and even here in Colorado, Fort Logan to be exact?
We were a different nation then.
We as a nation had unity and we all had the common sense to NOT welcome the enemy to dinner.
Look at us now Ian.
We have Islamic sympathizers/ideology in all aspects of our government, from our highest offices of leadership, our military, our judicial system, our educational system, our medical system.
The Islamic creep you could say....
The Hasan case is a perfect example. Clearly this was a case of an individual committing his own personal Jihad on US military personell. We all saw that and the evidence was overwhelming.
But our system is afraid to call a spade a spade.
"Workplace Violence" my ass, he was not a disgruntled employee that got passed up for promotion, or got a pink slip, or his old lady was banging his boss.
He was a terrorist.
As far as Sharia in the states there are numerous examples of Sharia being practiced here. Honor killings, teenage daughters being beaten and killed for wearing western clothing etc. All been tried in our courts and so far, Constitutional law has prevailed.
So far.
The "Creep" continues, but we are too politically correct to stop it, we might hurt somebodies wittle feelers..
And the majority of the population laps it up like a pussy at the milk bowl.
We have become a nation of ignorant and complacent fools and we are going to pay a terrible, terrible price.
stoner01
09-02-2013, 08:24
*LIKE*
hurley842002
09-02-2013, 08:35
Well said Burt!
HoneyBadger
09-02-2013, 09:29
Islam is a religion. It's no more of a terrorist organization than Christianity (which also went on a murdering spree of everyone who wouldn't convert, a few times)
There's a distinct difference between "Christianity" and "Catholicism".
Interested to hear about this distinction. Do you just mean than all Catholics are Christians, while not all Christians are Catholics?
Well if he went through the trouble of getting all the way to Major before pulling this off, that was quite the long con..
We should probably kill off all the other religions as well to make sure this doesn't happen again.
Did you read the MotherJones article? Communist authors aside, Hasan has been communicating with Al-Qaeda for years and planning his attack since just after he got out of med school. He was reprimanded several times for behavioral problems and given additional counseling and supervision while working at Walter Reed. He was a major because he commissioned as a Captain after med school.
Like Catholic priests and young boys?
Did you have a vendetta against Christianity or what? The number of Catholic Priests who chose to become sexually abuse minors is only a mere fraction of all Catholic Priests, and is a much smaller ratio when compared to the rest of society. They received all the attention because everyone expects Priests to be perfect, but they are still human and are still vulnerable to sin.
(There have been almost 1 million Priests, Deacons, Brothers, Sisters, and Seminarians in the US since 1950 (conservatively assuming an average of 20 years of service as an ordained minister and according to these stats: http://cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServices/requestedchurchstats.html), and according to bishopaccountability.org, since 1950, 6275 have been accused of sexually abusing a minor. Low estimates assert that .08% of all priests have committed sexual abuse of a minor and high estimates put the percentage at .6%. The Annual Review of Clinical Psychology review of pedophilia and ephebophilia estimates that as much as 12% of the American male population has pedophilia or ephebophilia. Putting that into perspective, 1 in 8 men you encounter in your day-to-day life are [statistically] pedophiles or ephebophiles. Looking back at Catholic Priests, somewhere between 1 in 166 (on the high side) or 1 in 1250 (on the low side) are pedophiles or ephebophiles.)
As for your opinions about the crusades, try doing some reading from a legitimate source: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm
Warning: History Lesson Is Coming:
The Crusades were a poorly guided attempt to unify Christians, end wars between Christian rulers, take back Christian Holy Lands (such as Jerusalem), and then eventually to free oppressed Christians who were engulfed in the escapades of warlords who were in direct conflict with the Pope, but falsely operating under the Papal flag. Constantinople was captured by French Knights who were not acting under the authority of the Church. In battered efforts to make peace, Pope Innocent III began bargaining with rulers around the Roman and Byzantine Empires, who then tried to make their own profit. Obviously, this peace effort failed, and it wasn't until the late 13th century that "crusade" became a political move more than a religious rejoining as regional rulers saw no profit in aiding the Church's efforts. The Crusades ended when Kelaoun, leader of the Mohammedans, broke the truce which he had concluded with the Christians and seized Margat which was shortly followed by the surrender and loss of all Christian towns in Syria and what is present day Israel.
BOOM! FACTS!
HoneyBadger
09-02-2013, 09:30
[fail]
Hasan got his medical degree in 2003 and was commissioned as a captain. He had only been promoted to major 6 months before the shooting in 2009. Coworkers expressed concern about his "anti-American" views during his internship and residency at Walter Reed. In plain effing English, the man showed his extremism years ago and should have been kicked out long before the shooting. The fact he wasn't appears to me to be prima facie evidence of the culture of political correctness and frankly anti-Americanism that is becoming embedded in the DC elite.
The fact you either don't know about this or don't care just shows either your ignorance or the depths of your liberalism ... (admittedly, that statement is rather redundant).
Awww I guess I should have read page 3 before I typed my novel... Looks like Aloha beat me to the punch on this one.
Look at the foundations of the religion.
Christian foundations are laid out in the Bible. The Bible says nothing of killing non-believers as a practice to achieve salvation.
Muslim foundations are laid out in the Quran. The Quran says a lot about enslaving and killing non-believers as a practice to achieve salvation.
In my opinion, Westboro's behavior directly conflicts with the teachings of Christ.
Absolutely right! Look at all Christian nations and study their cultural standards. Then take a look at all Islamic nations and study their cultural standards. Christian countries resound with liberty, individual rights, love, tolerance, and acceptance. Islamic nations resound with war, death, oppression and suppression, no liberty, no equality, etc. Not exactly what I would consider "civilized".
Westboro is a story all on its own... I would not consider them Christian, but I'm not the judge.
Not suddenly. Look up incrementalism. As an example look at the way the liberals have been nibbling away at our gun rights. And property rights. And other rights. You can also look at England and what they are doing in Europe.
Any free, tolerant society is self destructive in the end because it lets those that don't believe in freedom achieve power.
If you can't see this happening all around us, try connecting to the internet and taking a look around... [shithitsfan]
Interested to hear about this distinction. Do you just mean than all Catholics are Christians, while not all Christians are Catholics?
Not all Christians are Catholics. There is no membership or denomination required to become a Christian. There are tenants within the Catholic church that don't follow with Christianity, so I can understand why some have referred to it as a cult.
The Catholic church has a well documented history of attempting conversion by the sword or even torture.
The Crusades were ordered by the Pope, not Christ. The Bible speaks nothing of this type of "authority of the Church". The Biblical New Testament "church" are the believers in Christ, not a sect, denomination, or building.
ETA: I found this to be a pretty straight-forward Biblical approach to the "authority of the Church (http://www.actseighteen.com/articles/authority-abuse.htm)";
HoneyBadger
09-02-2013, 15:01
Not all Christians are Catholics. There is no membership or denomination required to become a Christian. There are tenants within the Catholic church that don't follow with Christianity, so I can understand why some have referred to it as a cult.
The Catholic church has a well documented history of attempting conversion by the sword or even torture.
The Crusades were ordered by the Pope, not Christ. The Bible speaks nothing of this type of "authority of the Church". The Biblical New Testament "church" are the believers in Christ, not a sect, denomination, or building.
ETA: I found this to be a pretty straight-forward Biblical approach to the "authority of the Church (http://www.actseighteen.com/articles/authority-abuse.htm)";
Lol don't want to get too crazy off topic here, but since I brought it there and there doesn't seem to be much more to say about the piece of sh!t Hasan, Please explain what "tenants within the Catholic Church" don't follow Christianity?
The Catholic Church, created by Christ Himself, IS the Christian Church. Am I wrong?
The Catholic Church, created by Christ Himself, IS the Christian Church. Am I wrong?
I don't want to take this too far off topic, but it's Catholic Doctrine that says Christ founded the church. There is nothing in the Bible about Catholicism or its structure.
This may touch a nerve (http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Catholic.html) for you.
What part of Christ's teachings would have led to the Dark Ages?
theGinsue
09-02-2013, 19:31
While this course of conversation is interesting, it has a great potential to blow up into arguments and hostilities.
We went from discussing Nidal Hasan to Islam to the differences in the various forms of Christianity.
As such, let's immediately turn around and get back onto the OP topic or we'll have to shut it down.
Thanks for your cooperation.
I apologize that the moral equivalency argument took us off the primary subject.
Video: http://video.foxnews.com/v/2647472822001/lawmakers-push-to-reclassify-ft-hood-shooting-as-terrorism/
Lawmakers push to reclassify Ft. Hood shooting as terrorism
I couldn't find this in print, but we are not alone in this act of terrorism being labeled as "workplace violence"
funkymonkey1111
09-03-2013, 20:45
he got the shave today
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20130903-fort-hood-shooter-nidal-hasan-forcibly-shaved-in-prison.ece
Aloha_Shooter
09-03-2013, 21:42
It's a shame the firing squad was discontinued. I'd be tempted to volunteer for the squad and drop my shot a few feet when I did it. It's that darned follow-through thing ...
stoner01
09-04-2013, 12:21
There are some folks that are allowed to have them to a degree. I seem to recall a Sihk officer I believe who was allowed to have one but had to keep it short.
what Im saying is how has this not been through the court system and overturned as a violation of an individuals religious rights. Im not talking about with this terrorist. I mean in general.
There have been several religious waivers granted through individual military branches.
I do not rely on Wikipedia for the most accurate information, but depending on the question in mind, it often has good information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_symbolism_in_the_United_States_military
There are some folks that are allowed to have them to a degree. I seem to recall a Sihk officer I believe who was allowed to have one but had to keep it short.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Tejdeep_Singh_Rattan.jpg/200px-Tejdeep_Singh_Rattan.jpg
Army Captain Tejdeep Singh Rattan stands with classmates at Officer Training, wearing the turban and beard for which he was granted permission based on accommodation of religious practices, 2010
stoner01
09-04-2013, 12:36
That's the one I was thinking of.
TheBelly
09-04-2013, 13:23
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/09/04/fort-hood-shooter-forcibly-shaved-in-prison.html
TheBelly
09-04-2013, 13:24
He's been forcibly shaved... Seeing as I used to have to do this in a past life (Army Prison Guard), I can tell you that this is not a pleasant experience for anyone involved.
TheBelly
09-04-2013, 15:02
What exactly are you trying to hint at, HBAR? Please just come out and say it.
funkymonkey1111
09-04-2013, 15:22
33461
BPTactical
09-04-2013, 15:28
This is my boo-hoo face for Hasan..
TheBelly
09-04-2013, 15:35
I signed a contract that specifically told me that I had to adhere to a grooming standard. that standard states that I need to be clean shaven. I believe that (now) Prisoner Hasan signed a contract that stated the same. Only when (in the middle of his contracted time) he wanted to
The contract signed by CPT Rattan (above) stated something different. It's part of HIS contract, not mine.
When someone enters the Army as a Chaplain, they are not required to extend themselves beyond their beliefs, as the beliefs having been directed by the sanctioning body (however you want to describe it) that gave them their license to be a preacher/holy man/pastor in their particular religious sect.
Different folks have different contracts.
Aloha_Shooter
09-04-2013, 16:39
im saying i think that its un Constitutional to not allow Religious service members to wear beards. If you can be openly brony, I think you can be Pious and still want to serve your country. I think this notion is ridiculous. Many religions dictate beard be worn by men. Not just muslims. Christians even. for those of you who didnt know that.
Sikhs are allowed to wear beards and still be in uniform. The problem with Hasan was that his claim of religious requirement was demonstrably false because he had no problem being clean shaven until he was arrested for murdering and wounding so many of his fellow soldiers.
The military standards of short hair and clean shaven were really hygienic requirements that started with the mass induction armies of the 20th century. Beards and even long hair were relatively common in the 19th century.
Bottom line for me though is that the armed forces are volunteer, not conscript, these days so everyone coming in has made a conscious decision to do so in spite of any standards or regulations that annoy/bother them. This isn't a cafe where they can say "I'll have the no-deductible health care plan and free flu shots but I'll pass on the clean pressed uniform and shaving every day".
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